So, is it available here also?

I stand corrected because different AVRs either have or do not have video upscaling on its HDMI input. I am aware of that. So this depends on... different AVR brands and models... budget or high-end AVRs... and older or latest models. For example, it is probably true for the higher-end Yamaha Aventage A3010. I cannot check each and every different models and brands, old or latest models included.

Because Smileguy only mentioned that he used a Yamaha AVR without stating the model, I think readers here need better clarification that not all AVRs do upscaling from HDMI connection so this was why I posted my previous explanations here... and this was why I requested Smileguy to retest and check his HDTV display Info as I had described and outlined earlier. I did not deny that better upscaling capability will give some measure of picture quality improvement... and by how much will depend on each different AVRs. I have always accepted that Smileguy have the right to give his opinions on whether his AVR improved the PQ due to video upscaling. Since I don't know which Yamaha model he used, my earliear explanation was merely to make sure that his AVR have or don't have HDMI upscaling from HDMI Input. This was why I mentioned the tests from my Yamaha RXV-1900 and RXV-3900.

I do not dispute and will not disagree with Smileguy's opinion that his Yamaha AVR "upscaling" improve the PQ of Byond a lot BUT this is not correct IF his AVR do NOT upscale from HDMI input, and HDMI connections were used. My earler suggestion was to make sure "HDMI to HDMI upscaling" is available for his Yamaha AVR in order to be more accurate before giving his respected opinions on PQ.

By the way, better video upscaling for better PQ will depend on the quality of the AVR Video Scalar chip used, so, as I have mentioned before, will improve the PQ of Byond (for HDMI connection) but how much improvement will ultimately depend on which Video Scalar chip in the AVR. Hehe... which Video Scalar chip is better... for my opinion only... I have to see with my own eyes to compare.

Ultimately, its the AVR Video Scalar Chip that determines the improvement of PQ from Byond because that scalar chip handles the upscaling, resolution interpolation, etc. Therefore, its not correct to only mention that "upscaling" improved the PQ, it should be corrected to mention that its the combination of the AVR Video Scalar and Video Processor Chips which improved the PQ and which I, of course, do agree.

Appreciated your feedback and correction.

EDIT : Made a mistake again... I did a quick google check. There are Video Scalar Chips such as the Silicon Image Products - ABT1015 Video Scaling Chip which handles upscaling. So better AVR Video Scalar Chip do affect the PQ too. I corrected parts of my above reply to mention the Scalar chip. One thing I am not sure is whether its possible for the Video Processor Chip to handle the upscaling if no Video Scalar Chip is used.

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LATER ADDITION 09-07-2012
I am continuing my comments on AVR video processing because its related to improving the Byond PQ. My apologies if I may seem to be out-of-topic here.

Phew ! Its seems I have forgotten about my Yamaha RX-V3900 AVR specifications because I have been using it for so long. This is always connected to a blu-ray player which don't need any HDMI upscaling, hehe.

Getting too long so the rest of my explanations inside spoilers...

I repeat... if Smileguy Yamaha AVR video processor chip cannot handle upscaling from HDMI Input, then he cannot use HDMI to HDMI to test upscaling.

Hehe... sometimes when I try to help others with what I know, I also learn from my mistakes by doing more digging for info and "research".     

If you are refering to my two Yamaha AVRs.. then yes, video upscaling is available for both AVRs. Difference is... the RX-V1900 cannot upscale from HDMI to HDMI, can for RCA/Component Video to HDMI... and the RX-V3900 can upscale for all connections. Please refer to my "Later Addition 09-07-2012" above your post.

If Smileguy's Yamaha AVR video processor chip cannot handle HDMI to HDMI video upscaling, then such tests is not possible.

Thanks for info James,learnt new things ! I am not a AV genious,all I wl say The  SD PQ especially on both  Toshiba Regza LCD and Panasonic PLasma 50VT thru my yamaha AVR RXV 671 is much improved and great and when I removed the LCD to my room without AVR I see the true Assstro SD PQ!Maybe for some  it could be  a matter of taste but I feel my AVR has done a lot! To me for asstro SD besides old CRT Plasma is the best!

for easy reference!671 Yamaha
Video Features
HDMI 3D passthrough
Yes
HDMI Audio Return Channel
Yes
component upconversion
Yes
HDMI upscaling
Yes (Analog to HDMI / HDMI to HDMI)
Deep Color/x.v.Color/24Hz Refresh Rate /Auto Lip-Sync
Yes

smileguy,

From what u r saying, u r sending a 1080i signal from ur byond box and it is sending out 1080p to ur display.

The Panasonic vs the Yammy doing the deinterlacing shd be pretty close. What could be happening and to troubleshoot this I would hv to be there could be the following:

1. The yammy is doing more that it shd be. The signal from the byond box is YCbCr 4:4:4 8 bit. The Panasonic does best with YCbCr 4:2:2 8bit. However, the differences are marginal. It is possible that the Yammy is converting the YCbCr 4:4:4 to 4:2:2 (I doubt it)

2.  There is something else going on ie the Yammy is sharpening the output that is seeming to look better. (other possiblities are mosquito noise reduction, and block noise reduction)

The 1080i signal from the box is merely being deinterlaced to 1080p and the most prominent thing to look for would be deinterlacing artefacts. The byond box is upscaling the SD channels from 576i to 1080i. In my opinion, comparing a host of chipsets, the byond box is one of the weakest in that respect. You can get better results if u send the SD channels thru the component outs of the byond box (576i with minimal processing). The scalars I hv tested for this are the Lumagen Radiance, HQV Reon,ABT2010, Pioneer Kuros  built in scalars (among the best in the business). The best image can be had using the Lumagen Radiance with the additional noise reduction capabilities it has. It also has the best scaling algorithms that is a no "rings" scaling leaving nice images with no additional halos. Using the Edge Enhancement in the Radiance does further wonders. This way the colour space conversion errors are also minimized as the correct PAL colour space is used. The further advantage is the scaling capability of the Radiance for 4:3 to 16:9 while preserving aspect ratio to the best it can.

However, u see what u see, if u feel the Yammy deinterlacing is the best, that thats the best for u.

The main thing is the SD channels are compressed heavily. Some channels are better than others.

thanks for the info, about sd channels suntv 211 using mpeg4 seems the best sd for me

Say, does sun tv using mpeg4 now? It isn't available on older decoder channel list?

India's feeds are all mpeg4 dy

I mean the Sun tv feed on Asstro-lah...

but suntv its different then all other sd channels,its very clear compared to other sd channels

Astro in-house sun tv, of course it's better PQ than others.



StarHub, yes. Malaysia? Really want ABN or HyppTV to pick it up.

After heavy rain yesterday my astro only got 2 channel.

This morning no channel at all...=_=

After heavy rain yesterday my astro only got 2 channel.

This morning no channel at all...=_=

The dish is on the roof is pretty hard to adjust the LNB.

The signal is pretty high it around 85-90

^ yeah 85-90% on the yellow bar

Just call astro they will caj me RM40

I will move to my porch roof is easy for me to adjust the dish next time...

2 days no astor @.@