focus got high torque but heavier mah .. at the end of day you got 320NM at low rpm but when you go point A to point B like 0-100 do you get 7-8seconds acceleration like those 3L petrol cars with 300NM?? or still back to around 10seconds? like a normal 2L petrol car?

doesn't matter both doesn't have space to do it in the city, otherwise buy a race car and take it to the track

low down torque is excellent for city driving and high speed overtaking, not getting from 0-100

Yours is only a 1.5litre engine and not even weights 1 ton.. My focus is 2000cc and weights 1440kg, see the big difference? Way more powerful, way more spacious, way more stability ... I have owned & driven a city vtec for almost 7 years so I know how it is like to drive one

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Added on October 25, 2011, 2:35 pmTo be honest, diesel is not about 0-100, it's more about pickup.. U must test drive once to know the difference, just very effortless going uphill or even uphill overtaking

This post has been edited by Bliz: Oct 25 2011, 03:09 PM

ah that's why you need a CVT lor.. cos gearbox is torque converter and engine is power plant..
with CVT, it dun matter if you got 300NM or 200NM, as long as your power cukup, you can drive low speeds just as well as higher torque discrete gearbox vehicles (meaning a number of fixed ratio gearbox like normal AT or Manual) ..

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Added on October 25, 2011, 2:39 pmu assume ppl never drive turbo diesel meh?
like wise I could say you should drive well balanced 50:50, RWD cars if you really like driving..

This post has been edited by ar188: Oct 25 2011, 02:39 PM

To be honest with u, i hate driving cvt gearbox car(no offense, my ex car also CVT gearbox), the sound of engine screaming at 6000rpm when i floor it is just annoying(speed increasing but engine speed stays the same).. Don't get me wrong CVT is excellent for smooth driving but for spirited driving it's just not gonna make it, driven an Audi A4 1.8T B7 with cvt gearbox the other day, has the same feeling as well

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Added on October 25, 2011, 2:43 pmYes i assume u never drive before cos seeing that u so anti diesel , just joking... turbo diesel cars are not that popular here hence i assume most people never drive one before ... I cannot afford 50:50, RWD car yet maybe u would like to let me have a ride in your car?

This post has been edited by Bliz: Oct 25 2011, 02:43 PM

yes I also driven the B7 CVT really weird rubberband feeling during traffic light launch, but the teana's xtronic doesn't behave that way.. it pulls linearly engine RPM to vehicle speed during low speed launches.. minimized rubberband effect.

I guess i should test drive the teana one day, the Audi one really rubberband effect, so hard to drive smoothly at stop and go traffic but once it gets up to speed it's fine and comfortable

no anti diesel la.. during late 90s era already driving turbodiesel Vectra across UK..
but for those pickup truck with high torque, carrying heavy body then high torque also not so shiok lor..

ok maybe this TDCI is pretty good, will make it a point to try it soon , acterly I want to try the latest 320d with upgraded 400NM torque.

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Added on October 25, 2011, 2:47 pmyeah weird rubberband.. was afraid ppl honk kau me for taking sweet time to move at traffic light..

This post has been edited by ar188: Oct 25 2011, 02:47 PM

Diesel is all about long distance commute. U dare to cover 1000km on a Vios? How many times u need to refuel and stop? Focus TDCi has been proven to cover min 1000km on a full tank. I cover 2500km per month on my Triton and diesel fuel every month is RM 400. Remember, I need to haul 400kg of machinery and tools on my heavy truck (1750kg). I only need to refuel every Sunday.

This post has been edited by acbc: Oct 25 2011, 02:49 PM

it;s ok I leave the long distance 1000km commute to you.. fuel saving vehicle, no arguments there..

if u plan to test drive tdci try to ask the SA or manager if there is any price slash/increase in 2012 for 2011 tdci sports model...i'm hoping they will do the same like they did for 2010 models since it isn't a popular car over here...duno why people's mindset here cannot change..demand for this car in SG is quite good...

You mentioned in your earlier post that your Focus TDCI gives superb FC even compared to lower end models. Thus i provided figures for the 2003 Vios which show better FC if not similar. So your Focus got better FC based on the City VTEC only. Hence my point.

On highway drives, the weight of the car is somewhat neutralised by the much higher torque and lower RPM on maximum gear. In city drives, yes the higher cc cars are expected to consume more due to the extra weight.

City vtec and vios got pretty much the same FC ( previous generation, based on feedback from forumers ).. Do not compare to mine as i am a really heavy footer, if i can drive a more powerful car with better fc than a least powerful car I believe others should easily achieve that

We're only comparing fuel consumption (in reference to your point No 3 in your earlier post). Its pointless talking about spaciousness and stability. If a 940kg Vios is more stable than a 1440kg Focus then something is wrong somewhere. So its pointless mentioning the obvious rite?

Fuel consumption but then u are comparing a 2000cc car with a 1500cc car, and the bigger cc car is 400kg more than the smaller cc car, see the effect on fuel consumption? If the focus weights 400kgs less would u imagine the FC?

This post has been edited by Bliz: Oct 25 2011, 03:06 PM

Aiya now u say ure heavy footer.

Anyway heavy footer on highway drives doesnt really affect much as compared to being a heavy footer in town driving.

If the Focus weighs 400kgs less, it wont have a 2L engine mind you.

Also, on 100% highway drives, higher cc cars should actually consume less fuel than a lower cc car. Of course dont compare with a Viva or something like that la.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Oct 25 2011, 03:09 PM

Constant acceleration and deceleration at highway speed will affect the FC a lot as well but not as much as city driving lah

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Added on October 25, 2011, 3:08 pmYes, your point is true as well

This post has been edited by Bliz: Oct 25 2011, 03:08 PM

hence why i said it wont affect as much as city driving.

But thats where the extra torque comes in. Having a high horsepower alone doesnt help much if your torque is low. In the Focus, the higher HP and torque in the 2L engine helps offset the effects of the extra 500kg in weight.

But also remember, for cars the highest fuel consumption happens during acceleration from a dead stop. On highway drives, you usually slow down to about 60-70kmph (behind heavy vehicles) and then accelerate back up again to 120kmph above. Your higher torque will ensure you reach your intended speed faster than a 1.5L Vios for sure as at 70kmph, the Vios is already at 80% of its available torque.

Which is why, the Vios has excellent 0-100kmph acceleration rate (considering the 1.5L engine) but poor on mid range acceleration.

Smaller cc car usually weights less, hence the less effort to get it moving but once it's on the move, hp and torque counts and that's when bigger CC car can smoke us