okay, we saw dark's portionS of his food. where's yours?

photo no2 is mine, not nearly as much as his.

I'm day 2 into cutting and here I am, looking at your pictures. Owh gawd

lol, take it easy man.

the food looks good. which restaurant is this ? Gonna hit a meal there once i finish my cutting.

Holy shit the amount I ate looked obscene. And that was minus the fried chicken too. I ate a fajita trio at Chilli's just now and I couldn't down the pita bread just the prawns, beef and chicken. I ate waaaay too much today. I was drowsy during shisha with Sam. Serious caloric deficit tomorrow man.

Anyone doing Layne Norton's routine 'PHAT'?

http://www.simplyshredded.com/mega-feature...dated-2011.html

IMO, it seems solid. What do you guys make of it?

I was offered a very hurtful truth. What I was told is that, in the local bb scene, even juniors are juicing. There's no longer a thing called natural locally. Competition wise.

I think he overcomplicates simple protocols.

That's kinda obvious.

*Adds salt to your wounds*

I mean, I always thought that it's only that much of juicing, only existed in the levels of mr.malaysia or mr.perak of sort, but even at juniors? come on. The guy at the gym , he tried out 7/8 times for Mr.Perak and he only got 6th at best and he was juicing like mad. The Mr.Perak trains at my gym was HUUGGEEE 2 years back, i couldn't even recognize him when I saw him again. It seems that he was taking at least 5 different compounds during those time competing for Mr.Perak and according to this guy, the Mr.Perak (Suhaimi) was one heck of a guy with juice(very good at it). Now he has shrunk to some light weight bodybuilder.

What's the point of guys like us ,dieting like hell,persevering,training our asses off week in week out, month in month out, year in year out? I don't mean to disrespect Dark, but this Suhaimi guy, His shoulders were bigger than my head 2 -3 years back and I have a very big head and Dark would look like a midget next to him. It's so disheartening to know that, at every level of bb competition in msia, juicing is a common practice. It seems that, all you gotta do is go to a doctor, and pay a sum of money and the cycling the post therapy and all, will be taken care off, all you gotta do is be there to be prescribed injections/pills.

Guys that train for the sake of training wouldn't be bothered I would assume, but for those who would like to compete someday, it's very disheartening. Like, seriously.

This post has been edited by razorboy: Nov 6 2011, 05:57 PM

Tsk.... you really that naive? Lol! Bodybuilding is my lifestyle but not my career. I'm proud to be working as what I am now and being mistaken for a bodybuilder. =) And eating whatever I want.

=P

This post has been edited by darklight79: Nov 6 2011, 06:34 PM

sigh, man , you wouldn't understand, I mean, guys like terry and wong hong and sazali are like an local inspiration to me.

it's like , if you wanna compete you gotta juice. where is the justice in that?

This post has been edited by razorboy: Nov 6 2011, 06:36 PM

Lol... I do understand. Don't act like no one in the whole world understands you except yourself. I'm more than 10 years older than you. =P But seriously, you that naive?

yes, I am that naive.

Personal choice. That's it. No one will hold it against you. Stop acting like it's the end of the world. Heh... there's more to life than just worrying about when is your next meal, training session, etc. Do you know I dislike hanging out with other people who classify themselves as bodybuilders? There are bodybuilders and there are bodybuilder meatheads. Can you tell the difference?

Lol... they would be very good consultants too

Btw, thanks chris. For the talk

No prob la bro. For some people, I would post the same thing here. There's more to life than worrying when your next meal will be, or when the next training session will be, whether you ate too much carbs, fat, not enough protein, etc.


There're bodybuilders who make it a way of life and aren't too stupidly obsessed with it................ and there are meatheads are talk about nothing except calorie count, meal time, workout time, how much they bench, how much they squat, how much they deadlift AND make fun of people who don't bodybuild. They have this elitist mentality which stinks to the core.


Life, love, relationships and family are a whole lot more important. What's the point of skipping a meal out with family just cos you want to "maintain the healthy lifestyle". People you love don't live forever, I'm not going to live a life of regrets not spending time with them just cos of a self perceived lifestyle.

This quote is awesome. And we dont shout in the gym to look cool.

Talk about the how much weight they carry, i saw a skinny chinese guy weight around 55kg or less try to show off to his fren and carry a 100lbs dumbbell each side, he cant even lift it off his leg and give up aft tat.... wat a dumbass, i think karperskyfan saw it too lol.