one at a time la haha... im forgetful when it comes to these things. i shy guy k

Squat vids already up, might as well follow up with the DLs.

razor what you did was unsafe IMO. ROM. To short for even a partial and the jerking near the top. You're asking for injury.

This post has been edited by darklight79: Oct 28 2011, 07:57 AM

noted, thanks for telling me, I'll re-check my form again this week, at a much lighter weight

This post has been edited by razorboy: Oct 28 2011, 11:56 AM

come to think of it, partial deadlifts kinda bypasses your body's built in safeties right? if you use straps you're lifting more than your grip allows; and lifting it up from a rack allows you to skip the concentric movement of a deadlift, which means you could use WAY heavier weight than you can handle. your back wont get the brunt of the weight until the time you actually bend your hips.

am i making sense or is this pure nonsense? genuinely curious..

I think you made complete sense. Besides all the big muscle groups which gets the attention, the smaller muscles, joints all work together to provide a full ROM. In my opinion, its always better to train the whole movement and natural ROM as thats how we are meant to move. Just as a personal choice, I dont use straps or belts as well and work with weights that naturally my body can handle in squats / deadlifts. I think this will allow the weaker smaller muscle to catch up eventually, and overall giving you signal that its time to up the weights. My 2 cents

using straps, eliminates the weakest link between you and the load, your grip. Trying to bring the back muscles to failure, you have to go through your grip. I think you understand where I'm coming from

so you're saying, you should always do a pulling movement that is within your grip strength until your grip strength increases ? really?And belts, straps, wraps, anything of that sort, they are all a form of support, something of a preventative measure. Having a belt when you squat don't mean you are not risking injury, having a belt when you deadlift doesn't put you out of harm's way.

This post has been edited by razorboy: Oct 28 2011, 04:36 PM

I just feel that one should train using the whole natural ROM. My logic is this, that for example squat. If one trains with a belt, tightening the core, lower back area, the muscles around that area will get "protected" and wont be under the full weight that person is training with. So injury prevention comes from the whole ROM being in correct form, stabilizing muscles working together to hold your body in position, joints moving and major muscles driving the weight through the movement. Anyway this is just my opinion and the way I reckon training should go. No offence I just have different training and goals.

We can go on and on about straps and belts. There are two thoughts about this and frankly, I think both are viable reasons. Its really up to the individual to choose for himself.

Razor, what I meant was basically partial dls are like bench presses and leg presses. Doing the eccentric part first. But never mind I think I'm talking nonsense lol.

Jeff, what's natural ROM?

Doesn't ROM stand for range of motion, ie the length of the pathway from A to B. AFAIK, ROM and technique are not the same things. Your muscles are going to be working the moment you lift that weight up. Or maybe I just don't get your post.

ROM is wrongly used in this context.
I think what Jeff is trying to say is that with a belt, it takes some of the load off the core and lower back area in protecting it? It's like the bench press. Without the belt it'll be like the flat bench and a barbell, with the belt it'll be like the Smith Machine which restricts unwanted movement.

The stabilizer muscles are left untrained and the body adapts to that condition. So benching 200 lbs on the Smith isn't the same pushing 200 lbs in a bench press position 'raw'.

This post has been edited by statikinetic: Oct 28 2011, 06:11 PM

correct correct correct and thanks for the correction

I still don't get it. How does wearing a belt takes anything away? Your core muscles will come into play with or without the belt. Having the belt, helps keep the core muscles during the movement when one is trying to concentrate on everything else. It should be natural to have your core tight( imagine sucking your belly button in) whenever you are to perform a compound movement. I'm not sure how you guys train but I suck in deep and keep it tight before I put that belt on. And it's only on when I go for my last set / really fatigued. Otherwise, without the belt, my core will still be tight

a belt reduce the lower back stress
eg my max deadlift is overhand 110 kg but with belt i can up to 125 kg above.



This post has been edited by theCrab: Oct 28 2011, 07:53 PM

eh you suck it in ? i thought keeping your core tight means exerting pressure against your abdominal wall, or pushing it out

What I do is just take a deep breath and flex the abs. Works for me.

You core is your abs and lower back. Keeping it as tight as possible protects it. How does pushing it out keeps it steady? Like dan said, flex. Just keep your mid section tight

Only so much your core can handle. I always use a belt when i deadlift and squat. It does tighten the midsection which allows your body to maintain the arch and no buckle your lower back. From the video you posted (180kg i think), you look like you were already struggling to keep your form steady. Another reason for that might be because you are doing partial lifts. Maybe a full deadlift would look different in the video. I'm not very familiar with the bb approach for a partial deadlift, but from a strength perspective, you might need to lower the weights and do a full deadlift because form is terrible and you might bust your lower back in no time.

Just a thought

S

Noted. Thanks. I don't go that heavy all the time, and it was at the very end of the w/o and probably more weight that I could have handled at that time.

You're correct, it's the same. Note that these are pretty old videos. Some more than 1-2 years ago. For example:-

405lbs x 8


I don't have the video of my deadlifting 525lbs but my form was damn near perfect. This is another old one when i was not as strong, a bit jerky sorry.
This is 475lbs. Quite easy.


And this is a warm up video of me deadlifting 315lbs x 10


So razorboy, don't be discouraged, I'm telling you cos i don't want you to end up with a f***ed up injury. My problem was NOT my form but my ego, i attempted 525 x 3 when 2 reps was enough.

This post has been edited by darklight79: Oct 29 2011, 10:49 AM