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jeff78
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 Oct 28 2011, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Oct 28 2011, 03:13 PM) come to think of it, partial deadlifts kinda bypasses your body's built in safeties right? if you use straps you're lifting more than your grip allows; and lifting it up from a rack allows you to skip the concentric movement of a deadlift, which means you could use WAY heavier weight than you can handle. your back wont get the brunt of the weight until the time you actually bend your hips. am i making sense or is this pure nonsense? genuinely curious.. I think you made complete sense. Besides all the big muscle groups which gets the attention, the smaller muscles, joints all work together to provide a full ROM. In my opinion, its always better to train the whole movement and natural ROM as thats how we are meant to move. Just as a personal choice, I dont use straps or belts as well and work with weights that naturally my body can handle in squats / deadlifts. I think this will allow the weaker smaller muscle to catch up eventually, and overall giving you signal that its time to up the weights. My 2 cents  |
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jeff78
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Oct 28 2011, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE(razorboy @ Oct 28 2011, 04:27 PM) so you're saying, you should always do a pulling movement that is within your grip strength until your grip strength increases ? really?And belts, straps, wraps, anything of that sort, they are all a form of support, something of a preventative measure. Having a belt when you squat don't mean you are not risking injury, having a belt when you deadlift doesn't put you out of harm's way. I just feel that one should train using the whole natural ROM. My logic is this, that for example squat. If one trains with a belt, tightening the core, lower back area, the muscles around that area will get "protected" and wont be under the full weight that person is training with. So injury prevention comes from the whole ROM being in correct form, stabilizing muscles working together to hold your body in position, joints moving and major muscles driving the weight through the movement. Anyway this is just my opinion and the way I reckon training should go. No offence  I just have different training and goals.  |
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jeff78
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Oct 28 2011, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Oct 28 2011, 06:05 PM) ROM is wrongly used in this context. I think what Jeff is trying to say is that with a belt, it takes some of the load off the core and lower back area in protecting it? It's like the bench press. Without the belt it'll be like the flat bench and a barbell, with the belt it'll be like the Smith Machine which restricts unwanted movement. The stabilizer muscles are left untrained and the body adapts to that condition. So benching 200 lbs on the Smith isn't the same pushing 200 lbs in a bench press position 'raw'. correct correct correct and thanks for the correction |
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jeff78
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Feb 2 2012, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE I can do 100kg inclines for reps and its not considered a heavy weight for benching... QUOTE(x-199Tx @ Feb 2 2012, 12:59 PM) I''m going 100 on bench and 80 on incline, but due to having no spotter since I'm training somewhere lonely I can't do heavy and high reps. Wow many peeps with 100kg bench Never really post here much, but have recently broke my plateau of 80kg, now benching 100kg. Took me 3 months. Feeling extremely happy with myself. Weighing at 75kg now. Didnt really put on my weight although when carb loaded I can go up to 78kg. Keep going guys! |
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