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 Palace Court @ Kuchai Lama, Updated with show unit pics!

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post Dec 26 2011, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(Say Chin @ Dec 26 2011, 12:15 PM)
Suppose wanna sign on saturday but after read the S & P found that some important info like 2 covered car park, facilities like 4 tier security, badminton n tennis court  and etc didnt stated in S & P. Beside that, as the sales man told me during the soft launch, they confirm that the show unit is excatly same as the real unit like kitchen tiles until ceiling height. but S & P still stated until 1500mm height. So wait the lawyer confirm with BHL and i only will sign after ammend.
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that's great info. We need to check everything before signing.. keep us posted!
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post Dec 26 2011, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(MidzO2 @ Dec 25 2011, 06:24 PM)
Your UOB 90% loan is after discount or before?
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90%loan is base on snp price before discount...~


Added on December 26, 2011, 8:38 pm
QUOTE(syncronyzer @ Dec 25 2011, 06:28 PM)
why no lawyer call me geh...  cry.gif  i wanna sign my S&P also..
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Hmm... U shld call to the sales person to confirm wo....coz the sales person is a friend of my~~


Added on December 26, 2011, 8:48 pmSo who does sign snp d???snp got problem?

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post Dec 26 2011, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(jyephun89 @ Dec 26 2011, 08:35 PM)
90%loan is base on snp price before discount...~


Added on December 26, 2011, 8:38 pm

Hmm... U shld call to the sales person to confirm wo....coz the sales person is a friend of my~~


Added on December 26, 2011, 8:48 pmSo who does sign snp d???snp got problem?
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To all buyer, pls take note of the clause in Deed Of Mutual Covenant!!!! All the clause there is Pro developer!!! I think a lot ppl didnt read and sign it.. After that we may have problem. Dont sign it until they amend it. I think we need gather all the purchaser regarding this issue.


Added on December 26, 2011, 11:11 pm
QUOTE(Say Chin @ Dec 26 2011, 10:32 PM)
To all buyer, pls take note of the clause in Deed Of Mutual Covenant!!!! All the clause there is Pro developer!!! I think a lot ppl didnt read and sign it.. After that we may have problem. Dont sign it until they amend it. I think we need gather all the purchaser regarding this issue.
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Pls read the link below for beware the deed of mutual convenant.

http://tiaraduta.com/forums/index.php?topic=36.0

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post Dec 26 2011, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(Say Chin @ Dec 26 2011, 10:32 PM)
To all buyer, pls take note of the clause in Deed Of Mutual Covenant!!!! All the clause there is Pro developer!!! I think a lot ppl didnt read and sign it.. After that we may have problem. Dont sign it until they amend it. I think we need gather all the purchaser regarding this issue.


Added on December 26, 2011, 11:11 pm

Pls read the link below for beware the deed of mutual convenant.

http://tiaraduta.com/forums/index.php?topic=36.0
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mind to elaborate more which part of the DMC has problems? Then we can all complain sama sama..
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post Dec 26 2011, 11:55 PM

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Ya...which part have problem? So I can check out with my developer friend...
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post Dec 26 2011, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(jyephun89 @ Dec 26 2011, 11:55 PM)
Ya...which part have problem? So I can check out with my developer friend...
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Who is your friend? Name? hehehe..
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post Dec 27 2011, 02:19 AM

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QUOTE(syncronyzer @ Dec 26 2011, 11:27 PM)
mind to elaborate more which part of the DMC has problems? Then we can all complain sama sama..
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Ya, appreciate ur sharing, so that we can fight for our own rights.
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post Dec 27 2011, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(Say Chin @ Dec 26 2011, 12:15 PM)
Suppose wanna sign on saturday but after read the S & P found that some important info like 2 covered car park, facilities like 4 tier security, badminton n tennis court  and etc didnt stated in S & P. Beside that, as the sales man told me during the soft launch, they confirm that the show unit is excatly same as the real unit like kitchen tiles until ceiling height. but S & P still stated until 1500mm height. So wait the lawyer confirm with BHL and i only will sign after ammend.
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hmmm... i tot the unit is only 10 meter height? so 1500mm = 15m... means full?

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post Dec 27 2011, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(darren2992 @ Dec 27 2011, 02:19 AM)
Ya, appreciate ur sharing, so that we can fight for our own rights.
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These are a few queries in S & P.

1. In Second Schedule, common facilities such as Jacuzzi with jet nozzles, pool deck, Trellis canopy, BBQ pit, Al Fresco lawn, Chess & checkers, Chinese chess, Children playground, Play sculpture, reflexology, Viewing deck, badminton courts & Tennis court ARE NOT listing in the S&P.

2. In Second Schedule, list & description of services provided DOES NOT describe on the 4 tier 24 security system.

3. in Fourth Schedule, Building description ARE NOT same as what we were being told during our visit to the show unit.

a) Floor finishes @ Show unit - Living & Dining = 2x2 porcelain tiles BUT S&P only stated porcelain tiles

b) Floor finishes @ Show unit - Kitchen = 2x2 porcelain tiles same as living room BUT S&P stated as ceramic tiles

c) Wall finishes @ Show unit - Ceramic tiles to ceiling height at kitchen & 2 bathrooms BUT S&P stated ceramic tiles only 1500mm height

4. 2 covered car park IS NOT included in the S&P.

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post Dec 27 2011, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(agneskby @ Dec 27 2011, 10:27 AM)
hmmm... i tot the unit is only 10 meter height? so 1500mm = 15m... means full?
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Friend... Usually height was told in feet... Normal ceiling height from 10 feet to 11 feet, not 10 meter... 10 meter is way way very high...
1500 mm = 150 cm = 1.5m roughly = 5 feet...

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post Dec 27 2011, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(agneskby @ Dec 27 2011, 10:27 AM)
hmmm... i tot the unit is only 10 meter height? so 1500mm = 15m... means full?
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The ceiling height should be 11 feet which equal to 3.35m. Actualy the spec that stated in the brochure is 1.5m during I booked the unit. Anyway, when I visit the show unit, the kitchen renovate until ceiling height, so i have ask two of the staff there and they confirmed to me they make changing after that and they confirm the unit we get is exactly same as the show unit.
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QUOTE(JustNobody @ Dec 27 2011, 10:36 AM)
Friend... Usually height was told in feet... Normal ceiling height from 10 feet to 11 feet, not 10 meter... 10 meter is way way very high...
1500 mm = 150 cm = 1.5m roughly = 5 feet...
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hahahahahahahaha! blur case neh~ keep me posted as well. thanks...
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post Dec 27 2011, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(darren2992 @ Dec 27 2011, 02:19 AM)
Ya, appreciate ur sharing, so that we can fight for our own rights.
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I have do a summary of the queries On Deed of Mutual Covenants (DMC)

1. Clause 5: Service Charge & Sinking Fund

We were being told that the service charge is RM0.20psf & sinking fund is 10% of the service charge so means total of RM0.22/ sqf. However, this is NOT being stated at all & even not stated in the First Schedule. How to secure our rights? If you read clause 5.4, 5.5 and 5.9. The Management may increase service Charge.

2. Clause 6.3 In the event the service charge collected by management is insufficient to pay....., the management shall have the unequivocal right to stop maintaining and repairing the common property and facilities.

3. Clause 9.7 ...........the Management shall be entitled to formulate additional rules and guidelines in relation to the Renovation of the Parcels in Palace Court @ Kuchai Lama to complement or alther the present guidelines for the renovation.

* if we agree this clause, it means that the Management can add in any rules they like...i think at least need add in the sentences "with agreement of all the purchaser"

4. Clause 10.1 The Purchaser shall at all times duly observe and compy with the House Rules. The indicative House Rules are annexed hereto as the Third Schedule and the same shall be subject to changes and amendments by the Management from time to time and at any time hereafter at its discretion.

* So they can change any rules lo.....

5. Clause 16 security system .... The developer does not warrant the performance, operation or adequacy, quality, upgrading of the security system. So how abt the cctv that they provide?!! Is it not warrant in this clause?


6. 2 covered car parks are NOT stated in any clause or schedule in DMC or S & P


Actualy I am first time buyer.. I not really knw all this should be standard clause in DMC or not.. I just feel like unfair to purchaser like us if anything happen cause all the clause is protected developer only. Hopefully you all give some comment.
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post Dec 27 2011, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(Say Chin @ Dec 27 2011, 11:13 AM)
I have do a summary of the queries On Deed of Mutual Covenants (DMC)

1. Clause 5: Service Charge & Sinking Fund

    We were being told that the service charge is RM0.20psf & sinking fund is 10% of the service charge so means total of RM0.22/ sqf. However, this is NOT being stated at all & even not stated in the First Schedule. How to secure our rights? If you read clause 5.4, 5.5 and 5.9. The Management may increase service Charge.

2. Clause 6.3 In the event the service charge collected by management is insufficient to pay....., the management shall have the unequivocal right to stop maintaining and repairing the common property and facilities.

3. Clause 9.7 ...........the Management shall be entitled to formulate additional rules and guidelines in relation to the Renovation of the Parcels in Palace Court @ Kuchai Lama to complement or alther the present guidelines for the renovation.

* if we agree this clause, it means that the Management can add in any rules they like...i think at least need add in the sentences "with agreement of all the purchaser"

4. Clause 10.1 The Purchaser shall at all times duly observe and compy with the House Rules. The indicative House Rules are annexed hereto as the Third Schedule and the same shall be subject to changes and amendments by the Management from time to time and at any time hereafter at its discretion.

* So they can change any rules lo.....

5. Clause 16 security system .... The developer does not warrant the performance, operation or adequacy, quality, upgrading of the security system. So how abt the cctv that they provide?!! Is it not warrant in this clause?


6. 2 covered car parks are NOT stated in any clause or schedule in DMC or S & P
Actualy I am first time buyer.. I not really knw all this should be standard clause in DMC or not.. I just feel like unfair to purchaser like us if anything happen cause all the clause is protected developer only. Hopefully you all give some comment.
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Good to learn... me first time buyer also..wait when more of us get called by lawyer, we should meet up at BHL to discuss with them..

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post Dec 27 2011, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(Say Chin @ Dec 27 2011, 11:13 AM)
I have do a summary of the queries On Deed of Mutual Covenants (DMC)

1. Clause 5: Service Charge & Sinking Fund

    We were being told that the service charge is RM0.20psf & sinking fund is 10% of the service charge so means total of RM0.22/ sqf. However, this is NOT being stated at all & even not stated in the First Schedule. How to secure our rights? If you read clause 5.4, 5.5 and 5.9. The Management may increase service Charge.

2. Clause 6.3 In the event the service charge collected by management is insufficient to pay....., the management shall have the unequivocal right to stop maintaining and repairing the common property and facilities.

3. Clause 9.7 ...........the Management shall be entitled to formulate additional rules and guidelines in relation to the Renovation of the Parcels in Palace Court @ Kuchai Lama to complement or alther the present guidelines for the renovation.

* if we agree this clause, it means that the Management can add in any rules they like...i think at least need add in the sentences "with agreement of all the purchaser"

4. Clause 10.1 The Purchaser shall at all times duly observe and compy with the House Rules. The indicative House Rules are annexed hereto as the Third Schedule and the same shall be subject to changes and amendments by the Management from time to time and at any time hereafter at its discretion.

* So they can change any rules lo.....

5. Clause 16 security system .... The developer does not warrant the performance, operation or adequacy, quality, upgrading of the security system. So how abt the cctv that they provide?!! Is it not warrant in this clause?


6. 2 covered car parks are NOT stated in any clause or schedule in DMC or S & P
Actualy I am first time buyer.. I not really knw all this should be standard clause in DMC or not.. I just feel like unfair to purchaser like us if anything happen cause all the clause is protected developer only. Hopefully you all give some comment.
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Hi, is good to have so many doubt. But is good if u can look for a reliable lawyer to do it for u. There is no free lunch in this world unless u very very close to the lawyer.

Cheers
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post Dec 27 2011, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(MaiGehGeh @ Dec 27 2011, 11:25 AM)
Hi, is good to have so many doubt. But is good if u can look for a reliable lawyer to do it for u. There is no free lunch in this world unless u very very close to the lawyer.

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But ours is BHL panel lawyer wor... since free legal fees... they're normally pro-developer right..
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QUOTE(syncronyzer @ Dec 27 2011, 11:31 AM)
But ours is BHL panel lawyer wor... since free legal fees... they're normally pro-developer right..
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Yea.. I think they will pro-developer too. Since it's the panel law firm that prepare the legal documents.
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post Dec 28 2011, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(chimaera @ Dec 27 2011, 11:45 AM)
Yea.. I think they will pro-developer too. Since it's the panel law firm that prepare the legal documents.
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Were you called by BHL lawyers? No news on my side so far.. icon_question.gif

Say Chin.. any news on the S&P amendments?
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post Dec 28 2011, 03:10 PM

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Don't buy... Anyway, I heard developer usually do not state the management charges and sinking fund in the S&P. Am I right? The management either way also have the rights to increase the charged fee..
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QUOTE(syncronyzer @ Dec 28 2011, 03:04 PM)
Were you called by BHL lawyers? No news on my side so far.. icon_question.gif

Say Chin.. any news on the S&P amendments?
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Not yet la.. taking them so long. Wait till next week and see how. If still no call, I will have to call them ady.

Are we anxious or are they just not efficient enough?


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