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post Nov 7 2017, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Nov 6 2017, 10:54 PM)
i think tax relief is based on money that you spent
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QUOTE(T231H @ Nov 6 2017, 11:01 PM)
do you mean the RM1000 from the Youth incentive scheme?
if yes,....try read this....
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/1...me-PRS--8865#31
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Yes this is what i'm looking for, thank you for the link.
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post Nov 18 2017, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(Zamorin1 @ Nov 18 2017, 12:04 AM)
Any good PRS with good fixed returns. I mean something better then the fixed deposit rate if we take tax into consideration.
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hmm.gif PRS funds got no fixed returns.....
what is your income tax able tax bracket? 20%?
what is the FD rate? 4%?

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post Nov 18 2017, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(Zamorin1 @ Nov 18 2017, 12:48 AM)
21%
I mean deferred annuity.
Sorry.
Well FD is currently 4.2%.
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oh ...deferred annuity plan....something from the insurance company......not PRS funds.

goggled and found this...
hope it can provide you with some info while you wait for qualified and value added responses.....

Is Deferred Annuity Plan Worth Investing? Unwrapping PRUretirement Growth Plan As A Case Study
http://invest-made-easy.blogspot.my/2015/1...plan-worth.html

What is the difference between Private Retirement Schemes offered by Unit Trust companies and Deferred Annuity Plans offered by insurance companies?
https://kclau.com/retirement/prs-da/
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post Nov 18 2017, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(Zamorin1 @ Nov 18 2017, 12:48 AM)
21%
I mean deferred annuity.
Sorry.
Well FD is currently 4.2%.
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I never recommend anyone buy deferred annuity. Cause those which are eligible for tax relief really sucks.

Deferred annuity only offer by handful of companies. Etiqa, GE, HLA.

I dont think any other insurance company joined the fun. Reason being obvious, people rather buy prs.
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QUOTE(Zamorin1 @ Nov 18 2017, 10:41 AM)
Yeah the sux. But then after tax relief?
Prs defeats the purpose of savings right?
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hmm.gif why?
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post Nov 18 2017, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(Zamorin1 @ Nov 18 2017, 10:55 AM)
The purpose of prs is to guarantee that you have savings before you retire right?what happens if say the stock market crashes. I mean I want to ensure that my investment is protected even when the stock market crashes right?
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I would say the inflationary risk of an investment is much more than the mkt crash risk.
inflationary risk (the risks of returns that is less than the inflation rate) is one in which the purchasing power of the investor's asset gets eroded slowly without one ever realising it....

where else, what are the chances of a big crashes and mkts crashes has the chances of recovery too....look at the past 20 yrs records...which mkts that (the PRS funds covers) does not recovers?

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post Nov 18 2017, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(Zamorin1 @ Nov 18 2017, 10:55 AM)
The purpose of prs is to guarantee that you have savings before you retire right?what happens if say the stock market crashes. I mean I want to ensure that my investment is protected even when the stock market crashes right?
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What kind of investment is protected/guaranteed besides EPF & ASNB?

Those "investment" you bought through Insurance Company is also investing in UT. The only thing that is protected when you buy through Insurance Company it's YOU / YOUR LOVE ONES, not the "INVESTMENT".
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post Nov 21 2017, 06:18 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 8 2017, 07:57 PM)
Friends,

PRS should not be a complicqted process. You put in only MYR 3,000.00 per annum or MYR 250.00 per month if you choose to particiapte using bank standing instruction.

If you are below 40, choose growth fund. If you are above 40 years old, choose moderate. It is my personal opinion that the conservative funds are a waste of time.

The tax relief window is until 2021, and this means you only have four years of tax releif left.

For PRS growth fund, choose CIMB-PRINCIPAL PRS PLUS ASIA PACIFIC EX JAPAN EQUITY - CLASS C  

For PRS moderate fund, choose Affin Hwang Moderate Fund.

For me, I started in 2012 with Affin Hwang Moderate fund because Affin Hwang was the first PRS provider in the industry. The other PRS provider came later, about six months later than Affin-Hwang. The amount of tax relief I got cummulatively so far is MYR 3,600 (MYR 720 tax relief x 5 years). The gross return for Affin Hwang moderate fund is 6.6% p.a. Annualized.

If incorporate the tax relief, (at 24% tax bracket), the annualized return becomes 14.73% p.a. Annualised.

Apa lagi lu mau?

Sh1t, I hope the govt continue with the tax relief post 2021. Better still if they increase it to MYR 6,000.00!

Xuzen

P/s Don't put anything more than MYR 3K p.a., as anything above MYR 3K, you don't enjoy the tax releif and PRS biggest selling point is the tax relief... period.
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Just to confirm with you, the best PRS growth fund is still CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Equity - Class C, right? thumbup.gif

And, as of now, there is still no other PRS growth fund which is better than this CIMB PRS fund, correct?

Thank again for your confirmation. Next month, I will invest RM 3000 in this CIMB PRS fund, as you highly recommended. notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(kart @ Nov 21 2017, 06:18 AM)
Master xuzen

Just to confirm with you, the best PRS growth fund is still CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Equity - Class C, right?  thumbup.gif

And, as of now, there is still no other PRS growth fund which is better than this CIMB PRS fund, correct?

Thank again for your confirmation. Next month, I will invest RM 3000 in this CIMB PRS fund, as you highly recommended.  notworthy.gif
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You're right, CIMB PRS APAC ex-JPN Equity is the best performing fund available under PRS currently from the article below

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...ober-2017--9012
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QUOTE(petit @ Nov 21 2017, 08:07 AM)
You're right, CIMB PRS APAC ex-JPN Equity is the best performing fund available under PRS currently from the article below

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...ober-2017--9012
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Sincere question : How risky would it be for those above 40yo to invest in a growth fund ie this particular fund? Example, has another 15 yrs to go before can withdraw PRS/retire? its a 3k investment only.

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QUOTE(familyfirst @ Nov 21 2017, 09:39 AM)
Sincere question :  How risky would it be for those above 40yo to invest in a growth fund ie this particular fund?    Example, has another 15 yrs to go before can withdraw PRS/retire?  its a 3k investment only.
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hmm.gif I think age is not the only factor that determine risk.....

btw what is your definition of risky in this context?
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QUOTE(familyfirst @ Nov 21 2017, 09:39 AM)
Sincere question :  How risky would it be for those above 40yo to invest in a growth fund ie this particular fund?    Example, has another 15 yrs to go before can withdraw PRS/retire?  its a 3k investment only.
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personal note, for me unit trust higher risk is not really high risk. since it will be manage by a manager. in fact, i think best to put in high risk. if low risk, might as well put in FD ourselves, as the return wasnt that great anyway.

but if buy share/stock yourselves, that's when its high risk if you buy high risk stocks.

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QUOTE(familyfirst @ Nov 21 2017, 09:39 AM)
Sincere question :  How risky would it be for those above 40yo to invest in a growth fund ie this particular fund?    Example, has another 15 yrs to go before can withdraw PRS/retire?  its a 3k investment only.
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IMO, I would either choose growth or moderate like others said. No point invest in conservative unless you have few more years to go before retirement.
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Hi, I have a question here.
Let's say I invest 3k in PRS and after 1 year I found the fund price raise to >30%. Can I do anything to secure the profit?

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QUOTE(tbing @ Nov 21 2017, 04:51 PM)
Hi, I have a question here.
Let's say I invest 3k in PRS and after 1 year I found the fund price raise to >30%. Can I do anything to secure the profit?
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Swich to a conservative n less volatile prs fund?

then, if not observant,...there is a possibility of the purchasing power of that profit + whatever in your funds be eroded by the inflationary risk of investing tongue.gif

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post Nov 22 2017, 08:17 AM

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can i know is this something to be similar to PRS? Private Retirement Scheme?
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post Nov 22 2017, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(eligible @ Nov 22 2017, 08:17 AM)
can i know is this something to be similar to PRS? Private Retirement Scheme?
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looks like a yes...but this fund house charges 3% sales charges for each buy.
where else some other fund house charges 0%
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QUOTE(MUM @ Nov 22 2017, 08:21 AM)
looks like a yes...but this fund house charges 3% sales charges for each buy.
where else some other fund house charges 0%
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i want to know too
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post Nov 22 2017, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(eligible @ Nov 22 2017, 08:29 AM)
i want to know too
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it is a yes....
same same

lists of prs providers
https://www.ppa.my/prs-providers/

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post Nov 22 2017, 10:25 AM

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anyone have any news whether we can get 0% sales charge if we buy PRS from CIMB clicks? they used to offerr 0% sales charge if we invest 3k at once. I'm not too sure about this year.

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