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kart
post Oct 8 2017, 08:21 AM

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Following the advice of Master xuzen, I would like to purchase RM 3000 worth of units in CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity - Class C, by the end of this year.


Before this, I purchased some PRS funds from Public Mutual, and thus I have a PPA account. Ok, many of you will certainly bash the extremely poor fund performance of Public Mutual and I agree with your view. I made the mistake last year, but this year, I hope that I will make the right investment decision by purchasing the PRS units in CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity - Class C.


1. How do I purchase the units from CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity - Class C? From CIMB-Principal Asset Management Berhad or FundSuperMart?


2. Will I assigned a Unit Trust Consultant from CIMB-Principal, after I purchased the units from CIMB PRS? Well, I should not need the service of a Unit Trust Consultant, through.


3. What is the difference between Class C and Class A?
From http://www.cimb-principal.com.my/prs/fund_...20Supp%20DD.pdf

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Class A - Subject to the PRS Provider’s absolute discretion, Class A is for an individual who has attained the age 18 years as of the date of opening a private pension account.
Class A and Class C have different Sales Charge and Management Fee.
Class C - Subject to the PRS Provider’s absolute discretion, Class C is for an individual who has attained the age 18 years as of the date of opening a private pension account.
Class A and Class C have different Sales Charge and Management Fee.


Class A and Class C sound the same to me. rclxub.gif

Thank you for your advice. thumbup.gif

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post Oct 21 2017, 08:32 AM

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Thanks for the informative replies. thumbup.gif

To purchase units of CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity - Class C, it is highly recommended to purchase through FundSuperMart, to enjoy zero service charge. Alright, I shall do that. smile.gif

Before that, I need to open a FundSuperMart account first. hmm.gif

QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 8 2017, 12:12 PM)
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For sure, Class C is cheaper, and we want to purchase CIMB PRS Class C. How should we do to ensure that we purchase CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity - Class C?

I do not want to be accidentally given CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity - Class A.

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post Oct 21 2017, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 21 2017, 09:17 AM)
goto FSM MY site
on the top section...there are labelled tabs.....
click at the green colored tab labelled "PRS"
then a drop down list appears....
click on the "PRS Sales Charges"

then you will see it.

to be sure of the sales charges...during your buying transaction, before the final confirmation of your intention.....I think, they will list down the details including the Sales Charges to be paid
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Thanks for the tips. I will do that to ensure that I buy CIMB PRS Class C.

1) Is to possible to buy units of CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity - Class C with zero service charge, via https://www.eunittrust.com.my?


2) I already have a PPA account. For FundSuperMart, the following forms need to submitted.

- CIMB-Principal Private Retirement Scheme (PRS) – Joint Account Opening Form & CIMB-Principal Private Retirement Scheme (PRS) – Contribution Form
- A copy of Malaysian NRIC. The front and back of the Malaysian NRIC must be on a single page (cross "For PPA only" at top left corner).

Can I submit the scanned version of my duly-signed forms to FundSuperMart, via e-mail?

Thank you for your information. thumbup.gif

This post has been edited by kart: Oct 21 2017, 04:10 PM
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post Oct 30 2017, 02:55 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 21 2017, 06:47 PM)
may I suggest you tried contact their respective Customer service?
for what the forumers tell you may have been obsolete or not the current practise anymore...
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Ok, I follow your advice. smile.gif

Just to make things simple, I will buy CIMB PRS via Fundsupermart website.

For opening new Fundsupermart investment account, we can send supporting documents to Fundsupermart, via e-mail. But for buying CIMB PRS, as Fundsupermart Customer Service Executive insisted, I have to send the hard copy of my supporting documents to Fundsupermart, via post.

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post Nov 21 2017, 06:18 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 8 2017, 07:57 PM)
Friends,

PRS should not be a complicqted process. You put in only MYR 3,000.00 per annum or MYR 250.00 per month if you choose to particiapte using bank standing instruction.

If you are below 40, choose growth fund. If you are above 40 years old, choose moderate. It is my personal opinion that the conservative funds are a waste of time.

The tax relief window is until 2021, and this means you only have four years of tax releif left.

For PRS growth fund, choose CIMB-PRINCIPAL PRS PLUS ASIA PACIFIC EX JAPAN EQUITY - CLASS C  

For PRS moderate fund, choose Affin Hwang Moderate Fund.

For me, I started in 2012 with Affin Hwang Moderate fund because Affin Hwang was the first PRS provider in the industry. The other PRS provider came later, about six months later than Affin-Hwang. The amount of tax relief I got cummulatively so far is MYR 3,600 (MYR 720 tax relief x 5 years). The gross return for Affin Hwang moderate fund is 6.6% p.a. Annualized.

If incorporate the tax relief, (at 24% tax bracket), the annualized return becomes 14.73% p.a. Annualised.

Apa lagi lu mau?

Sh1t, I hope the govt continue with the tax relief post 2021. Better still if they increase it to MYR 6,000.00!

Xuzen

P/s Don't put anything more than MYR 3K p.a., as anything above MYR 3K, you don't enjoy the tax releif and PRS biggest selling point is the tax relief... period.
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Master xuzen

Just to confirm with you, the best PRS growth fund is still CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Equity - Class C, right? thumbup.gif

And, as of now, there is still no other PRS growth fund which is better than this CIMB PRS fund, correct?

Thank again for your confirmation. Next month, I will invest RM 3000 in this CIMB PRS fund, as you highly recommended. notworthy.gif

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post Sep 10 2018, 01:43 PM

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Master xuzen

For this year, the best PRS growth fund is still CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Equity - Class C, right? thumbup.gif

Thank you very much for your confirmation. notworthy.gif
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post Sep 11 2018, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 10 2018, 01:51 PM)
Nope. Want to know why? Blondie in the White house.  biggrin.gif
But looking to add more when things are cheaper than it is.  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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If I am not mistaken, an annual fee of RM8 will be deducted from your investment amount for subsequent investment on the next calendar year per fund house. So, if we invest in 2 different PRS funds in a calendar year, we need to pay twice the annual fee of RM8.

That is why I need to decide on the only one PRS fund I should focus on this year.

For this year, what is your planned entry price for CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Equity - Class C? Any price below RM 0.98?


QUOTE(MUM @ Sep 10 2018, 02:24 PM)
at times, at certain period....higher risks may not be higher returns too
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No worries, MUM. smile.gif Anyone can offer their opinions here, as we can benefit from learning from various perspectives.

Since we are allowed to sell our PRS funds without penalty upon the age of 55, we can tolerate some volatility and greater risk of the PRS fund till the age of 55. This is assuming that it is possible to obtain higher annualized return from this PRS fund at the age of 55, as compared to other PRS funds.

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post Sep 11 2018, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 11 2018, 11:13 AM)
I am baffled why you are interested to know the best performance PRS for this year only.

PRS is a super - duper long term savings plan with a horizon of perhaps 15 to 20 years. So why focus on such a narrow time line?

But to answer your immediate question, the best performing PRS would be those that are bond or conservative category. Why is that so? Because 2018 has not been a good year for equities due to some megalomaniac ego centric with an inflated ego the size of Jupiter sitting in the most powerful office in the world.

For three years horizon, the best performing PRS fund are:

I) CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Equity - Class C [ Ponzi 2's daughter fund ]

II) AM Asia Pac Reits [ Selina Reits' daughter ]

III) Affin - Hwang Growth and Moderate fund [ rojak funds of all Affin - Hwang UTSs aka fund of fund structured ] - I participated into these.
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Thank you very much for your recommendation, Xuzen. notworthy.gif

I am sorry that my meaning is vague. When I said this year, I mean the PRS fund that I invest into this year, not the PRS fund that performs best for this year only. Anyway, I should make my question clearer. Sorry again for the confusion.

So, I just keep on investing fund into CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Equity - Class C. smile.gif

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post Sep 24 2018, 10:34 PM

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To get maximum tax relief, we should invest a maximum of RM 3000 in any PRS fund. However, RM 8.00 of annual fees will be deducted from our investment amount.

So, which one of the following is correct to get maximum tax relief, with the lowest investment amount?

a) Pay RM 3008.00 to FundSuperMart, out of which RM 3000 is invested into the PRS fund, and the remaining RM 8.00 is paid to PPA, or;

a) Pay RM 3000.00 to FundSuperMart, out of which RM 2992 is invested into the PRS fund, and the remaining RM 8.00 is paid to PPA.

Thank you for your advice. smile.gif
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post Sep 25 2018, 05:46 AM

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T231H, thank you very much, for quoting the text from Securities Commission Malaysia. thumbup.gif

Alright, I shall pay RM 3000.00 to FundSuperMart, out of which RM 2992 is invested into the PRS fund, and the remaining RM 8.00 is paid to PPA. And, this full RM 3000.00 is eligible for tax relief. smile.gif
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post Oct 31 2020, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Jun 3 2020, 01:08 PM)
redemption from principal via online only during MCO/CMCO period. after that have to go to their branch to do redemption.
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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Jun 19 2020, 11:30 PM)
9 June - submitted withdrawal request followed by verification call
10 June - withdrawal processed for 10 June NAV
19 June - received funds in bank account
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Which website should I use, in order to perform online application for Principal PRS Pre-Retirement Withdrawals Without Tax Penalty?

Is it https://online.principal.com.my/ecustomer_enu/start.swe?

I tried to click every link in this Principal website, but could not locate PRS Pre-Retirement Withdrawals Without Tax Penalty. And, I did not locate any Pre-Retirement Withdrawal application form.

Thank you for your information. smile.gif

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post Oct 31 2020, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Oct 31 2020, 12:28 AM)
u have to email to enquire again. email submission only till 9 june under CMCO. now i'm not sure.

service@principal.com.my
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No worries, !@#$%^. Please share your experience of Principal PRS Pre-Retirement Withdrawals, during June, so that I can understand the previous withdrawal procedure.


For sure, I will send e-mail to service@principal.com.my, to know about the current withdrawal procedure.


Steps for Principal PRS Pre-Retirement Withdrawals?

1) At first, in early June, you first sent an e-mail to service@principal.com.my.

2) Then, Principal Customer Service Executive sent the withdrawal form to you, via e-mail.

3) You filled up the withdrawal form and sent the withdrawal form, to service@principal.com.my.

4) You answered the telephone call-back from Principal Customer Service Executive for verification, on the same day the withdrawal form was submitted.

5) Withdrawal was processed, based on NAV which was dated one day later after the verification call by Principal Customer Service Executive.


!@#$%^, did I get the steps correct? Please correct me, if I miss out anything.


Principal's FAQ regarding PRS Pre-Retirement Withdrawals is vaguely written.
https://www.principal.com.my/en/faq-taking-...out-tax-penalty

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3. Can I apply for this withdrawal from Principal online?
Yes. Principal will accept submission via email during the period of Movement Control Order (as announced by the Government) as your safety is our main priority. There will be a call-back from the Customer Service for verification. If the call-back is unsuccessful, the request will not be processed.



Principal will require more working time to process the withdrawal, since the withdrawal forms are manually sent by Principal investors.


Even for berated Public Mutual, Public Mutual investors can apply for PRS Pre-Retirement Withdrawals in https://www.publicmutualonline.com.my. Just insert the withdrawal amount in the website, and authenticate the withdrawal with TAC sent to handphone, and withdrawal is completed. No manual form needs to be filled by investors, so Public Mutual do not need to manually process the withdrawal forms.

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post Oct 31 2020, 10:48 AM

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I get your idea.

My point is that if we can apply for withdrawal in Principal website https://online.principal.com.my/ecustomer_enu/start.swe?, we do our part by typing the withdrawal amount, fund name, savings account number, bank name, directly into their system.


If that had been possible, Principal Customer Service Executive would not have to read the withdrawal forms sent by investors, and then manually typing the information in their system.

Many of us are sure that as investors, we do not mind doing our part, as long as it speeds up the withdrawal process.

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post Dec 14 2020, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(blibala @ Dec 13 2020, 10:19 PM)
Finally my first top up of RM3k at FSM reflected in FSM and PPA portal. I notice that that the net amount is RM2.99k only. RM10 should go for account opening.

Just wonder next year tax filling is normally RM2.99k or RM3k?

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RM 3000.

Refer to the guideline given by Securities Commission Malaysia. Thanks to T231H, for this informative post.

QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 24 2018, 11:52 PM)
RM3000 Tax Relief

As announced in Budget 2012, an individual is eligible to have a Tax relief up to RM3,000 per annum.
The individual tax relief is applicable on gross contribution, i.e. inclusive of upfront charges.

For example, if an individual invested RM3,000 with a Provider and that Provider deducted RM10 for account opening fee, and RM50 for sales charge, the full RM3,000 is eligible for tax relief, and not RM2,940.

Tax relief of up to RM3,000 per annum will be applied on taxable income, for individual contributions made to the PRS for the first 10 years from assessment year 2012. Individuals may claim their individual tax relief for the PRS under Section F-F18 of the BE Form, which can be located at the Lembaga Hasil Dalam Negeri Malaysia (LHDNM) website at www.hasil.gov.my

Contribution statements to support the claim for tax relief may be obtained from the Provider as proof of investment made for the year of assessment.

https://www.sc.com.my/home/special-incentiv...lief-incentive/
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post Dec 25 2020, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 24 2020, 10:53 PM)
Guys how to withdraw PRS from FSM under prihatin scheme!
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For Principal PRS Pre-Retirement Withdrawals, refer to this website.

https://www.principal.com.my/en/faq-taking-...out-tax-penalty

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As outlined in the government’s Economic Stimulus Package, between 30 April 2020 until 31 December 2020 PRS pre-retirement withdrawals of up to RM1,500 (from Sub-Account B) per PRS provider are exempted from the 8% tax penalty.
You can search for previous posts in this thread, for previous experience of forum posters here.

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post Mar 7 2021, 09:31 AM

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This year, do you plan to invest RM 3000 into Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Equity - Class C, or any PRS funds such as Affin Hwang PRS Growth Fund, AmPRS – Asia Pacific REITs and so on?

Thank you very much for sharing your opinion. smile.gif
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post Mar 7 2021, 05:38 PM

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Thanks for your reply.

Since you said that Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Equity - Class C has been underperforming in comparison with Affin Hwang PRS Growth Fund, why don't you invest in Affin Hwang PRS Growth Fund, for this year?


The general idea is to stick with just one PRS fund for the same calendar year. However, we may invest in different PRS fund in another year, if that PRS fund is better than the PRS fund in which we invested during previous year.


Yes, for sure, as long as the government provides tax relief for PRS, we will invest in PRS. Without the tax relief, we will divert our fund to other investments.

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post Apr 11 2021, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 9 2021, 07:38 AM)
Don't wait for promo by FSM. Wait for promo by market. Market promo usually more than what FSM can give you.

Say 10% discount from current price Vs some RM40 eWallet discount. You tell me. I never wait for FSM promo. If I had waited for FSM promo, I would have miss out March low of last year.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 18 2020, 07:10 PM)
I topup during march sell down. Returns now > any rewards BY FSM.
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Good advice indeed, Ramjade. notworthy.gif

During March 2020, did you manage to buy units of Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Equity - Class C, at unit price of less than RM 0.90? That was definitely an awesome price.

However, this year, the lowest unit price of Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Equity - Class C is slightly less than RM 1.26. I really dislike to average up my average unit cost of this PRS fund, but I do not have other option.

What is your target buying price of this PRS, this year?

Thank you. smile.gif
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post Apr 16 2021, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 16 2021, 12:19 AM)
Call customer service and request for it. Apparently they will send you the yearly statement link via SMS.

There's no where to download it. If you delete the SMS only way to get the statement is call in. sad.gif
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Principal used to send PRS yearly statement to Principal customers, via e-mail.


Somehow, starting from last year or so, Principal no longer sends PRS yearly statement to Principal customers, via e-mail. Instead, as you said, the link to download PRS yearly statement is given in a SMS sent to Principal customers.


So, if Principal customers accidentally delete the SMS, it is very inconvenient for Principal customers to call Principal Customer Service. Sigh, Principal may have gone too far in cost cutting.
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post May 12 2024, 05:42 PM

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In FundSuperMart, the following Principal PRS funds are offered.

- Principal PRS Plus Principal RetireEasy 2030 - Class C
- Principal PRS Plus Principal RetireEasy 2040 - Class C
- Principal PRS Plus Principal RetireEasy 2050 - Class C
- Principal PRS Plus Principal RetireEasy 2060 - Class C
- Principal PRS Plus Principal RetireEasy Income - Class C
- Principal Islamic PRS Plus Principal RetireEasy 2030 - Class C
- Principal Islamic PRS Plus Principal RetireEasy 2040 - Class C
- Principal Islamic PRS Plus Principal RetireEasy 2050 - Class C
- Principal Islamic PRS Plus Principal RetireEasy 2060 - Class C
- Principal Islamic PRS Plus Principal RetireEasy Income - Class C


My objective is to obtain the highest return, regardless of whether the fund is conventional or Islamic.


As such, the PRS fund that I should choose is Principal PRS Plus Principal RetireEasy 2050 - Class C, because this fund has the highest holding of Principal Global Titans Fund MYR, right?


Thank you for your information. smile.gif

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