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post Oct 1 2011, 04:26 PM, updated 13y ago

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THE case of novelist Latifah Emir claiming against Kah Motors over a battery defect in her Honda Civic Hybrid entered a new phase on Tuesday when the president of the tribunal deemed their rebuttal insufficient to win them the case.

According to Latifah, the judge told Kah Motors and Honda the Consumer Act 1999 deems a warranty for a product as an assurance to customers and not a contract as it is usually one-sided and rejected the argument the car's defect surfaced after the warranty period.

Latifah said defects began appearing in month 22 of ownership as the high voltage hybrid drive batteries failed to recharge properly but Honda insisted there was nothing wrong with the car. The battery failed completely about two months after the two-year warranty period lapsed.

The tribunal president then queried Honda about their claims over 10 to 12 years' battery lifespan and was told the life of the battery would depend on the way it is driven. The president then asked Honda to furnish any documentary evidence that accompanied the sales brochure to support this claim but Honda failed to do so.

Honda told the court they had offered to replace the battery of the Civic Hybrid but Latifah rejected the offer. The claimant then told the tribunal Honda had refused to entertain her request for battery replacement until the matter is brought to the tribunal and she felt the offer was not good enough and the tribunal president agreed claimant had a right to refuse offers that are deemed not good enough.

In the end, the president gave Kah Motors and Honda Malaysia until Sept 9 to provide a written submission to prove what they did is within the laws of Malaysia, and to challenge the Consumer Act 1999 Law if they deem it wrong. Otherwise, the judge will rule permission for Latifah to claim a sum of RM21,521.19 from Kah Motors.

The hearing for the verdict will be held on Sept 13.

Sos Kicap from MMail
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TLDR version

Civic Hybrid battery kong 2 months after warranty.
Honda refuse to replace eventhough battery life supposed to be 10-12 years.
Say warranty is assurance not contract.
Consumer tribunal ask Honda to cite law else pay RM21k
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Hah, buy hybrid summore lah.
Green konon, battery is hazardous to the environment too.

even if battery last 10 years, cost rm20k
petrol can save rm200 a month or not?
how often one drive car no change for 10 years...
think of the resale value after 10 years. no one wanna buy sked battery kong.

Thinking of buying Insight,
after reading this, scared liao

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post Oct 1 2011, 04:33 PM

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malaysia climate will make the battery KONG even faster, hybrid or EV car are not suitable in malaysia
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RM20k? I wonder why people buy hybrid car.
They can save FC but it useless if battery itself cost that much shakehead.gif
Car maker should introduce better incentive to cust for buying this hybrid car.

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honda malaysia is cap ayam wan.....
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QUOTE(-cmi- @ Oct 1 2011, 04:33 PM)
RM20k? I wonder why people buy hybrid car.
They can save FC but it useless if battery itself cost that much  shakehead.gif
Car maker should introduce better incentive to cust for buying this hybrid car.
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my opinion hybrid technology is a conjob.

using battery is not "green"
charging battery needs electricity which comes from fuel like diesel, coal or nuclear anyway.

when battery kong need to dispose off properly, else hazardous waste.
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post Oct 1 2011, 06:09 PM

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She should have bought a prius lar instead of that chao ah beng honda car... shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(unig @ Oct 1 2011, 06:09 PM)
She should have bought a prius lar instead of that chao ah beng honda car... shakehead.gif
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it's the same thing....still using battery..battery is useless
everything is the same nowadays...same as every electronics
the product will soon kong after warranty end
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post Oct 1 2011, 06:25 PM

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lol.. rm20k... even the much bigger battery Prius battery also do not need rm 20k now....
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post Oct 1 2011, 06:25 PM

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I rather buy compact car petrol version than hybrid sedan for the fc purpose.

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here i confuse... Honda willing to replace the battery for her... but she say not enough... then court rule honda might need to pay her RM21k+... she also need to buy the battery with that money wat.
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rm21k much better... it can buy 3 battery.....
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QUOTE(ocphangaz @ Oct 1 2011, 06:26 PM)
here i confuse... Honda willing to replace the battery for her... but she say not enough... then court rule honda might need to pay her RM21k+... she also need to buy the battery with that money wat.
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no...read properly...honda refuse to replace for her @ 1st
same case last time with the honda's rear brake
they love to deny
later go to tribunal only scare

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for 1.3 engine ,
change to fully petrol,
or BOT.

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QUOTE(dantck @ Oct 1 2011, 06:36 PM)
for 1.3 engine ,
change to fully petrol,
or BOT.
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Defeat the purpose of buying hybrid in the first place. wanted to save FC but pay for conversion..
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the battery warranty so short only meh?
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QUOTE(dantck @ Oct 1 2011, 06:36 PM)
for 1.3 engine ,
change to fully petrol,
or BOT.
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might as well get 1.8 civic instead... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(-cmi- @ Oct 1 2011, 04:33 PM)
RM20k? I wonder why people buy hybrid car.
They can save FC but it useless if battery itself cost that much  shakehead.gif
Car maker should introduce better incentive to cust for buying this hybrid car.
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Some is saying the battery of an Honda Insight is RM6-7k to replace one in 3 -5 years time.
I told my bro who owns one to do simple maths (for primary kids):
100,000km x RM0.10 (savings per KM) = RM10,000.

Not many people would travel that much 100,000km. The ultimate savings derived is not great in our subsidised fuel environment. Look at real performance of a car instead of getting an hybrid b'coz it's an hybrid. Lolz.

Some hybrid car does drive really well and have extra torque at low rpm (but those are real expensive high end hybrid car).

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ngv is the true money saver..buy an rm45k 2.3l BMW E39 and put ngv sure win..

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QUOTE(alpha0201 @ Oct 1 2011, 07:15 PM)
might as well get 1.8 civic instead... sweat.gif
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I think 2 years ago, the price is even closer to 2.0 version... hmm.gif
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Aiyar nobody buys a hybrid to save fuel ler. They buy hybrid cuz they wanna be able to say that they drove a hybrid. Something special mar.or other selling point like cbu from japan,etc etc. Saving fuel was never the main priority.
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Oct 1 2011, 07:53 PM)
Aiyar nobody buys a hybrid to save fuel ler. They buy hybrid cuz they wanna be able to say that they drove a hybrid. Something special mar.or other selling point like cbu from japan,etc etc. Saving fuel was never the main priority.
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QUOTE(ocphangaz @ Oct 1 2011, 06:26 PM)
here i confuse... Honda willing to replace the battery for her... but she say not enough... then court rule honda might need to pay her RM21k+... she also need to buy the battery with that money wat.
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same,im confused too. u see, like everyone of u saying, the cost of a hybrid car battery is rm20k then the court rule stating that honda need pay her rm20k++ in the end she have to use the money to buy battery also. so whats the diff?


Added on October 1, 2011, 8:08 pm
QUOTE(MR_alien @ Oct 1 2011, 06:31 PM)
no...read properly...honda refuse to replace for her @ 1st
same case last time with the honda's rear brake
they love to deny
later go to tribunal only scare
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now i feel my honda city brake also like quite bad edi. have to step deep inside only can feel the sudden jam brake. if just hold slightly to it like dint brake at all. sigh,losing faith with honda

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QUOTE(sfwong1 @ Oct 1 2011, 08:06 PM)
now i feel my honda city brake also like quite bad edi. have to step deep inside only can feel the sudden jam brake. if just hold slightly to it like dint brake at all. sigh,losing faith with honda
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your car how old already and whats the mileage?
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my honda city i think is year 2008. mileage about 130000km++
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QUOTE(sfwong1 @ Oct 1 2011, 08:15 PM)
my honda city i think is year 2008. mileage about 130000km++
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fuu...2008 car 130k KM
u really travel alot ...did u ever change your brake pad be4?
if not...it really is time to change
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QUOTE(sfwong1 @ Oct 1 2011, 08:06 PM)
same,im confused too. u see, like everyone of u saying, the cost of a hybrid car battery is rm20k then the court rule stating that honda need pay her rm20k++ in the end she have to use the money to buy battery also. so whats the diff?
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I think she felt being trolled when Honda malas mau layan her complaint then only later they offered her replacement after she filed the complaint to tribunal.
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QUOTE(megat89 @ Oct 1 2011, 07:44 PM)
ngv is the true money saver..buy an rm45k 2.3l BMW E39 and put ngv sure win..
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ngv price is not stable also...anytime can increase...gas expensive also yaww...

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QUOTE(sfwong1 @ Oct 1 2011, 08:15 PM)
my honda city i think is year 2008. mileage about 130000km++
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Wow... 40000km++ per year. Went to Hatyai often?.

Anyway, for such case I recommend you to own a 2nd car to even out the mileage. Mileage too high = Wear and tear, affects resale value. At this mileage you should change brake pad AT LEAST TWICE!!!
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QUOTE(Jeff_lwh @ Oct 1 2011, 10:33 PM)
Wow...  40000km++ per year.  Went to Hatyai often?.

Anyway, for such case I recommend you to own a 2nd car to even out the mileage.  Mileage too high = Wear and tear, affects resale value.  At this mileage you should change brake pad AT LEAST TWICE!!!
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60k change once?
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i thought Kah Motor hasnt been selling Honda cars since 2004?
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QUOTE(conan1 @ Oct 1 2011, 08:23 PM)
ngv price is not stable also...anytime can increase...gas expensive also yaww...
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This one no need to worry so much...
Most users are taxi drivers.. they will complain on your behalf...

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what complain?

they will just RAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE like SPARTA warriors
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well for honda, which has no track record, probably will give you problems. AS for prius, which is the more expensive version, has a track record.

But as we all know batteries never last forever. You got to replace them. The funny thing about our country is to promote greener vehicle, they remove taxes. Then the spare parts very expensive. What the heck. So should you buy a hybrid car? If the battery pow by company for minimum 10 years, then yes, why not.

Also alternative to hybrid is Direct injection and Diesel. Diesel is like hanging on there, we got some supporters but we don't have better diesels, thats why it is not common. Direct injection is something to look at, as it uses petrol, where we have some ok quality petrol, but not many cars in affordable range offers Direct injection. and those who offer are for rich and upper class. Proton and perodua may not be able to offer you anytime soon. So our country is stuck in petrol engine with high consumption. Unfortunately.

so very soon, we hope to see more and more direct injection engine and hopefully some good and conservative automotive company can offer a great range of good engines for us malaysians.
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i think to her its more than replace battery but to prove a point that customer is still able to seek out option ..

i think battery 15k saja not sure abt this figure
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The battery for Prius/Lexus CT200h are only RM11k now...
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Oct 2 2011, 01:11 AM)
The battery for Prius/Lexus CT200h are only RM11k now...
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hmm.gif hmm.gif any1 hv change it? inc labour how much
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cos i drive my honda city around,average out total approx everyday about 130km. i change alot time already the brake pad but still the same.
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Do buy hybrid but not from Honda thats for sure! I'm been using toyota prius since 2006 and it done 135k miles(216k KM) on the clock in the UK and it still running like new. Never been replace the battery. Just replace the brake pad once since then (lots of tyres & service ofcourse) because you dont use a lot of braking because of its regen braking. Does it save fuel ove normal ICE car? Hell yes! I was shock when I drive my dad 08 Vios & my brother 05 City both can only manage 400km in a 42 litres tank up and down the E1 between Ipoh & KL. My prius is the same size as a Civic can do 400km on 20 litres of fuel (I normally dont fill it up to full). Toyota Prius is the best car ever in my years of motoring.

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QUOTE(duckaton @ Oct 1 2011, 04:26 PM)
THE case of novelist Latifah Emir claiming against Kah Motors over a battery defect in her Honda Civic Hybrid entered a new phase on Tuesday when the president of the tribunal deemed their rebuttal insufficient to win them the case.

According to Latifah, the judge told Kah Motors and Honda the Consumer Act 1999 deems a warranty for a product as an assurance to customers and not a contract as it is usually one-sided and rejected the argument the car's defect surfaced after the warranty period.

Latifah said defects began appearing in month 22 of ownership as the high voltage hybrid drive batteries failed to recharge properly but Honda insisted there was nothing wrong with the car. The battery failed completely about two months after the two-year warranty period lapsed.

The tribunal president then queried Honda about their claims over 10 to 12 years' battery lifespan and was told the life of the battery would depend on the way it is driven. The president then asked Honda to furnish any documentary evidence that accompanied the sales brochure to support this claim but Honda failed to do so.

Honda told the court they had offered to replace the battery of the Civic Hybrid but Latifah rejected the offer. The claimant then told the tribunal Honda had refused to entertain her request for battery replacement until the matter is brought to the tribunal and she felt the offer was not good enough and the tribunal president agreed claimant had a right to refuse offers that are deemed not good enough.

In the end, the president gave Kah Motors and Honda Malaysia until Sept 9 to provide a written submission to prove what they did is within the laws of Malaysia, and to challenge the Consumer Act 1999 Law if they deem it wrong. Otherwise, the judge will rule permission for Latifah to claim a sum of RM21,521.19 from Kah Motors.

The hearing for the verdict will be held on Sept 13.

Sos Kicap from MMail
======================================================================
TLDR version

Civic Hybrid battery kong 2 months after warranty.
Honda refuse to replace eventhough battery life supposed to be 10-12 years.
Say warranty is assurance not contract.
Consumer tribunal ask Honda to cite law else pay RM21k
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Hah, buy hybrid summore lah.
Green konon, battery is hazardous to the environment too.

even if battery last 10 years, cost rm20k
petrol can save rm200 a month or not?
how often one drive car no change for 10 years...
think of the resale value after 10 years. no one wanna buy sked battery kong.

Thinking of buying Insight,
after reading this, scared liao
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Yeah, that's why i didn't consider buy hybrid when i bought my Inspira recently. Not only battery kong, there's lot s of electronics in a hybrid...the IPU in the insight also very expensive....Honda SA told me 30k.....sweat.gif....Whatever you save in your fuel...hardly can cover your maintenance/repair cost....

Furthermore, depends on your usage....people with low mileage like me....one year maybe 10K km only....totally waste money buying Hybrid...cannot recover ROI.... i trade higher fuel consumption with bigger space, bigger boot, power, comfort for low fuel consumption with small car, less comfort, low power and high future maintenance (Hybrid).

Hybrid is just not worth it now....maybe in future. But then, some said EV is the future, not Hybrids. I dun have crystal ball. Can't say for sure.


Added on October 2, 2011, 7:01 am
QUOTE(sonyman @ Oct 1 2011, 11:47 PM)
well for honda, which has no track record, probably will give you problems. AS for prius, which is the more expensive version, has a track record.

But as we all know batteries never last forever. You got to replace them. The funny thing about our country is to promote greener vehicle, they remove taxes. Then the spare parts very expensive. What the heck. So should you buy a hybrid car? If the battery pow by company for minimum 10 years, then yes, why not.

Also alternative to hybrid is Direct injection and Diesel. Diesel is like hanging on there, we got some supporters but we don't have better diesels, thats why it is not common. Direct injection is something to look at, as it uses petrol, where we have some ok quality petrol, but not many cars in affordable range offers Direct injection. and those who offer are for rich and upper class. Proton and perodua may not be able to offer you anytime soon. So our country is stuck in petrol engine with high consumption. Unfortunately.

so very soon, we hope to see more and more direct injection engine and hopefully some good and conservative automotive company can offer a great range of good engines for us malaysians.
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I think Diesel should be the way to go for the immediate future. Heard some news last time better Diesel are coming to upgrade our diesel to Euro-4M standard or something. Hope its true.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Oct 2 2011, 07:01 AM
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replace with evolta lah.. can make rabbit round track 5 times.. hahaha
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NW insight ipu cost rm7k
If DIY replacement it cost lesser
It is basically Sanyo eneloop D cell (yes it is those big round torch light battery)nimh 5800mah sand there is 84 of those cell... so when you google you can actually DIY just buy those cell from eBay I think DIY only cost rm1.5k to rm3k


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QUOTE(sfwong1 @ Oct 1 2011, 08:15 PM)
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my honda city i think is year 2008. mileage about 130000km++
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Bro u need to chg brake pads. My city bought in may2009 now mileage is 129400 already change brakepad twice.try going for pumatec480.good alternative to the ori honda brake pad.
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Oct 2 2011, 08:47 AM)
NW insight ipu cost rm7k
If DIY replacement it cost lesser
It is basically Sanyo eneloop D cell (yes it is those big round torch light battery)nimh 5800mah sand there is 84 of those cell... so when you google you can actually DIY just buy those cell from eBay I think DIY only cost rm1.5k to rm3k
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actually, no need to DIY ler...Each IMA battery consist of 40 subpack D cell..just ask the honda service center to replace only the faulty cells instead of changing the whole battery

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Oct 1 2011, 07:53 PM)
Aiyar nobody buys a hybrid to save fuel ler. They buy hybrid cuz they wanna be able to say that they drove a hybrid. Something special mar.or other selling point like cbu from japan,etc etc. Saving fuel was never the main priority.
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this is true, lol.

petrol is not that expensive in msia.

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Oct 2 2011, 06:57 AM)
Yeah, that's why i didn't consider buy hybrid when i bought my Inspira recently. Not only battery kong, there's lot s of electronics in a hybrid...the IPU in the insight also very expensive....Honda SA told me 30k.....sweat.gif....Whatever you save in your fuel...hardly can cover your maintenance/repair cost....



Added on October 2, 2011, 7:01 am
I think Diesel should be the way to go for the immediate future. Heard some news last time better Diesel are coming to upgrade our diesel to Euro-4M standard or something. Hope its true.
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yea la, thats why i do not consider insight. - smaller, slower, handling so so. only advantage is MIJ and can calculate fuel saving.

prius, extra rm40k, to cover FC. at same price might as well get focus tdci, fun to drive, diesel is cheap too, gomen some simply increase it since the impact is huge.

while for normal 2.0 car, its ok to own, the new and second hand market is flooded with cars like this, so, you're not alone if the FC goes up smile.gif


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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Oct 2 2011, 08:47 AM)
NW insight ipu cost rm7k
If DIY replacement it cost lesser
It is basically Sanyo eneloop D cell (yes it is those big round torch light battery)nimh 5800mah sand there is 84 of those cell... so when you google you can actually DIY just buy those cell from eBay I think DIY only cost rm1.5k to rm3k
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can add another battery on top of the existing one? biggrin.gif to add power!!!!

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Oct 2 2011, 09:39 AM)
yea la, thats why i do not consider insight. - smaller, slower, handling so so. only advantage is MIJ and can calculate fuel saving.

prius, extra rm40k, to cover FC. at same price might as well get focus tdci, fun to drive, diesel is cheap too, gomen some simply increase it since the impact is huge.

while for normal 2.0 car, its ok to own, the new and second hand market is flooded with cars like this, so, you're not alone if the FC goes up smile.gif


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can add another battery on top of the existing one? biggrin.gif to add power!!!!
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how about change the IMA electric motor to more powderful unit? laugh.gif then can match the prius..
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Oct 2 2011, 06:57 AM)
Yeah, that's why i didn't consider buy hybrid when i bought my Inspira recently. Not only battery kong, there's lot s of electronics in a hybrid...the IPU in the insight also very expensive....Honda SA told me 30k.....sweat.gif....Whatever you save in your fuel...hardly can cover your maintenance/repair cost....

Furthermore, depends on your usage....people with low mileage like me....one year maybe 10K km only....totally waste money buying Hybrid...cannot recover ROI.... i trade higher fuel consumption with bigger space, bigger boot, power, comfort for low fuel consumption with small car, less comfort, low power and high future maintenance (Hybrid).

Hybrid is just not worth it now....maybe in future. But then, some said EV is the future, not Hybrids. I dun have crystal ball. Can't say for sure.


Added on October 2, 2011, 7:01 am
I think Diesel should be the way to go for the immediate future. Heard some news last time better Diesel are coming to upgrade our diesel to Euro-4M standard or something. Hope its true.
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normally those who consider foreign brand car later on switch back to local brand one, basically they do not really have budget in the beginning, so there is no difference really whether the foreign brand car they are "looking at" good or bad. then later on will find all sort of reasons to persuade themselves that they are making the right choice of their local car. sweat.gif


Added on October 2, 2011, 10:51 am
QUOTE(turbocharged @ Oct 2 2011, 09:39 AM)
yea la, thats why i do not consider insight. - smaller, slower, handling so so. only advantage is MIJ and can calculate fuel saving.

prius, extra rm40k, to cover FC. at same price might as well get focus tdci, fun to drive, diesel is cheap too, gomen some simply increase it since the impact is huge.

while for normal 2.0 car, its ok to own, the new and second hand market is flooded with cars like this, so, you're not alone if the FC goes up smile.gif


Added on October 2, 2011, 9:40 am
can add another battery on top of the existing one? biggrin.gif to add power!!!!
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I buy insight just purely for its look and the 20-30k tax discount from our gahment, seriously if u can afford a car which is rm100k or more, u won't care much abt the fuel cost, as it is minor.

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Petrol hybrid cars are for rich people. They can afford the batteries and monthly installments. Rather buy turbo diesel and have headache free driving for 5 years. By then, installment also finish paying.


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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Oct 2 2011, 08:47 AM)
NW insight ipu cost rm7k
If DIY replacement it cost lesser
It is basically Sanyo eneloop D cell (yes it is those big round torch light battery)nimh 5800mah sand there is 84 of those cell... so when you google you can actually DIY just buy those cell from eBay I think DIY only cost rm1.5k to rm3k
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Many people having trouble paying for road tax and insurance already. Hybrid batteries even DIY still over RM 2k how to pay la?

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Petrol hybrid cars are for rich people. They can afford the batteries and monthly installments. Rather buy turbo diesel and have headache free driving for 5 years. By then, installment also finish paying.


Added on October 2, 2011, 12:12 pm

Many people having trouble paying for road tax and insurance already. Hybrid batteries even DIY still over RM 2k how to pay la?
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Turbo diesel very good bla bla bla bla... but u have to look @ our local diesel quality first...
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QUOTE(westlife @ Oct 2 2011, 10:49 AM)
normally those who consider foreign brand car later on switch back to local brand one, basically they do not really have budget in the beginning, so there is no difference really whether the foreign brand car they are "looking at" good or bad. then later on will find all sort of reasons to persuade themselves that they are making the right choice of their local car.  sweat.gif
couldn't agree more...as what I have been telling my friends...do not expect Honda Insight as an economical car..
coz the savings you would made petrol would probably even up with the maintenance that you're paying for this car
put it in this way...honda insight is a car which is worth of 180k value type of ride if there is no tax exempted by the government....having that said, no doubt the regular maintenance cost of it would be even more expensive compared to a 2.4 camry/accord

anyway, if you really want to compare a fully imported cbu car local car, let's not compare things like comfortability, handling or performance, etc as these are actually very subjective criterias and different drivers would have different point of view..
Let's compare on one of the most basic but yet essential criteria...which is safety
Honda insight has 5-star rating from international euroncap for safety and so far the best Proton (export unit) only made it to 3-stars..can't imagine what would be the rating for the typical local assembled cars whistling.gif
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QUOTE(n00b123 @ Oct 2 2011, 01:14 PM)

Honda insight has 5-star rating from international euroncap for safety and so far the best Proton (export unit) only made it to 3-stars..can't imagine what would be the rating for the typical local assembled cars  whistling.gif
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the 5 star rating is not based on 2 airbags biggrin.gif
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the 5 star rating is not based on 2 airbags biggrin.gif
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lancer @ inspira also 5 star what .. but base on 7 airbag tongue.gif
local insights how many airbag?
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lancer @ inspira also 5 star what .. but base on 7 airbag tongue.gif
local insights how many airbag?
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2 lo....

if want good ncap rating, must take peugeot and forte. minimum 4 airbags for 308vti. 6 for 308, 7 for 407. 6 for forte.

damn. a airbags party!!
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fiesta sedan, properly most affordable 7 airbag car,
want so many airbag for what? when expired , you need to replace it , then you only know the pain.
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Oct 2 2011, 05:40 AM)
Turbo diesel very good bla bla bla bla...  but u have to look @ our local diesel quality first...
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Thats very true. Malaysia diesel just dont work with modern hi-tec diesel car. Dont get me wrong it still work, but which mean that you have to change your engine every 100000 km or even less. The colour of diesel in EU is very light yellow. What colour is Malaysia diesel?

Malaysia motoring industry still got a long way to go.

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subsidize diesel in malaysia is blue colour...


Added on October 2, 2011, 3:33 pmmalaysia still using tier 2 diesel...but soon 4M diesel will be avail

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lancer @ inspira also 5 star what .. but base on 7 airbag tongue.gif
local insights how many airbag?
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erm..i think insight only has 2 airbags but it still have much higher scores in ncap compared to genuine lancer lar..

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anyway, are you sure inspira chassis is as tough as mitsubishi lancer chassis and not a milo tin? sweat:
that is why I didn't choose inspira

Mitsubishi Explains Technical Collaboration With Proton


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erm..i think insight only has 2 airbags but it still have much higher scores in ncap compared to genuine lancer lar..

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anyway, are you sure inspira chassis is as tough as mitsubishi lancer chassis and not a milo tin? sweat:
that is why I didn't choose inspira

Mitsubishi Explains Technical Collaboration With Proton
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i am quite sure ..
chasis is the main support is not like u can cut cost from there.
mitsubishi didnt even allow proton to touch any of the chassis and engine parts until last minutes for the absorber setting only.

milo tin or not .. i think u really have not much ideas on car.. if u look at those door panel and stuff.. its exactly the same .. even those parts are soften to reduce impact ..

i use to have access to proton db .. thats why i know what the 40% roughly is ..
normal malaysian thinking .. expensive = good ... cheap sure cut many things .. but do remember its a car .. if mitsu allows proton to ALTER the chassis why not just allow them to use the CAMPRO engines... a lot cheaper the cost rite ?

anyway n00b123 --->
http://www.honda.co.uk/cars/insight/

check it out ..
they have

Side Airbags
Curtain Airbags

So do u still think malaysia insights NCAP 5 star ??


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kenny , forgive them, i think in their mindset , they still judge a car good or not by knock on the bodypanel laugh.gif , test whether it hard or not, they think outerpanel hard=good, soft=bad. haha they never knew the part that absorb impact is the inner structure of bodyframe. for those who don't know , can go check how they design the F1 front wing, why they use carbon fiber as material to made it,
first reason of course it is light
second is because it face certain level of impact will absorb the impact and divide into power form.

and have a look at carrera gt body structure design, front end use 2 softer(compare to mainbody and engineroom) tube to absorb the impact during accident.
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so you still think a car is harder is better huh? car hard like steel concrete wall is best la? then i think after you accident will let you become concussion.
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Oct 2 2011, 04:26 PM)
i am quite sure ..
chasis is the main support is not like u can cut cost from there.
mitsubishi didnt even allow proton to touch any of the chassis and engine parts until last minutes for the absorber setting only.

milo tin or not .. i think u really have not much ideas on car.. if u look at those door panel and stuff.. its exactly the same .. even those parts are soften to reduce impact ..

i use to have access to proton db .. thats why i know what the 40% roughly is ..
normal malaysian thinking .. expensive = good ... cheap sure cut many things .. but do remember its a car .. if mitsu allows proton to ALTER the chassis why not just allow them to use the CAMPRO engines... a lot cheaper the cost rite ?

anyway n00b123 --->
http://www.honda.co.uk/cars/insight/

check it out ..
they have

Side Airbags
Curtain Airbags

So do u still think malaysia insights NCAP 5 star ??
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yes, i'm sure it is still 5-stars NCAP based on FACTS below:

Tested model Honda Insight, 1.3SE, RHD
Body type 5 door hatchback
Year of publication 2009
Kerb weight 1240kg
VIN from which rating applies Applies to all applies 2009 model year Insights
Class SMALL FAMILY
Front seatbelt pretensioners
Front seatbelt load limiters
Driver frontal airbag single stage
Front passenger frontal airbag single stage
Side body airbags
Side head airbags
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yes, i'm sure it is still 5-stars NCAP based on FACTS below:

Tested model Honda Insight, 1.3SE, RHD
Body type 5 door hatchback
Year of publication 2009
Kerb weight 1240kg
VIN from which rating applies Applies to all applies 2009 model year Insights
Class SMALL FAMILY
Front seatbelt pretensioners
Front seatbelt load limiters
Driver frontal airbag single stage
Front passenger frontal airbag single stage
Side body airbags
Side head airbags
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http://www.honda.com.my/insight/detail/majorequipment/

if u look at malaysia one .. it is only with front 2 airbags..
even inspira comes with dual stage airbags but we dont consider it NCAP 5 star bcoz lancer has 7 airbags (not malaysia version) ..
removing the airbag sure will lower down the NCAP rating..

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QUOTE(n00b123 @ Oct 2 2011, 04:50 PM)
yes, i'm sure it is still 5-stars NCAP based on FACTS below:

Tested model Honda Insight, 1.3SE, RHD
Body type 5 door hatchback
Year of publication 2009
Kerb weight 1240kg
VIN from which rating applies Applies to all applies 2009 model year Insights
Class SMALL FAMILY
Front seatbelt pretensioners
Front seatbelt load limiters
Driver frontal airbag single stage
Front passenger frontal airbag single stage
Side body airbags
Side head airbags
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like that next time no need crash the car dy, just check got how many airbags, and look at the stats, and announce, this car get 5 stars!!

wait, why are we comparing insight and inspira/lancer ncap/toughness? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Oct 2 2011, 04:56 PM)
like that next time no need crash the car dy, just check got how many airbags, and look at the stats, and announce, this car get 5 stars!!

wait, why are we comparing insight and inspira/lancer ncap/toughness? biggrin.gif
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opss.s.. out of topic .. hahaha

btw n00b ... NCAP is base on euro spec.. i have check all EURO spec comes with side airbags and head airbags .. the ALL MODELS doesnt apply to MYR one as only 2 front airbag .. summore single stage ..

http://insight.honda.com.au/about-the-car_safety.aspx

The Insight is equipped with a comprehensive set of 6 airbags as standard. Upfront airbags protect the driver and passenger in more ways than one. Not only do they provide cushioning in the event of a collision, they're also designed to minimise any injury that could be caused by the airbags themselves. Full-length curtain airbags round off the Insight's impressive airbag package.

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http://www.honda.com.my/insight/detail/majorequipment/

if u look at malaysia one .. it is only with front 2 airbags..
even inspira comes with dual stage airbags but we dont consider it NCAP 5 star bcoz lancer has 7 airbags (not malaysia version) ..
removing the airbag sure will lower down the NCAP rating..
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Oct 2 2011, 04:56 PM)
like that next time no need crash the car dy, just check got how many airbags, and look at the stats, and announce, this car get 5 stars!!

wait, why are we comparing insight and inspira/lancer ncap/toughness? biggrin.gif
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i also dunno how things led from one another and it seems like we are into out of topic discussion tongue.gif
anyway, the 5-stars NCAP rating is evaluated based on real crash simulations and not by stats
The honda insights which are currently on sale in Malaysia are SE model and it is a completely built unit from Japan
Hence, it remains as 5-star as per the link below

http://www.euroncap.com/results/honda/Insight/365.aspx
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QUOTE(n00b123 @ Oct 2 2011, 05:02 PM)
i also dunno how things led from one another and it seems like we are into out of topic discussion  tongue.gif
anyway, the 5-stars NCAP rating is evaluated based on real crash simulations and not by stats
The honda insights which are currently on sale in Malaysia are SE model and it is a completely built unit from Japan
Hence, it remains as 5-star as per the link below

http://www.euroncap.com/results/honda/Insight/365.aspx
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erm.. i dunno u miss it or dunno how to read .. tongue.gif

Go to the part .. detail of tested car

u actually see it has
Side body airbags
Side head airbags

where malaysia version dun have..

a simple logic .... if i take a insight from japan .. remove all the airbags.. i can still call it ncap 5 star ?
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wei, you still don't understand? , even same model they cut off some airbag, which make it if go through NCAP test again will get a lower mark , for sure!, please don't say a 7 airbag which rated 5 start NCAP and this is apply to a insight that equiped with 2 airbag also rated to 5star NCAP cause it called insight too!
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Oct 2 2011, 05:06 PM)
erm.. i dunno u miss it or dunno how to read .. tongue.gif

Go to the part .. detail of tested car

u actually see it has
Side body airbags 
Side head airbags

where malaysia version dun have..

a simple logic .... if i take a insight from japan .. remove all the airbags.. i can still call it ncap 5 star ?
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okay..i've missed out the side head and side body airbags...ish..thought it was not included when there is no "tick" on that column.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(n00b123 @ Oct 2 2011, 05:15 PM)
okay..i've missed out the side head and side body airbags...ish..thought it was not included when there is no "tick" on that column.. tongue.gif
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its okay .. smile.gif

malaysian car are always like tat.. they remove to save cost.
but anyway .. the NCAP can only be applicable for car 2 years old... unless everyone willing to change all the airbags every 2 years.. which i really doubt ..
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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Oct 2 2011, 05:08 PM)
wei, you still don't understand? , even same model they cut off some airbag, which make it if go through NCAP test again will get a lower mark , for sure!, please don't say a 7 airbag which rated 5 start NCAP and this is apply to a insight that equiped with 2 airbag also rated to 5star NCAP cause it  called insight too!
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well, still I believe it still have better security than proton/perodua cars tongue.gif
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Petrol hybrid cars are for rich people. They can afford the batteries and monthly installments. Rather buy turbo diesel and have headache free driving for 5 years. By then, installment also finish paying.


Added on October 2, 2011, 12:12 pm

Many people having trouble paying for road tax and insurance already. Hybrid batteries even DIY still over RM 2k how to pay la?
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Actually if you read insight is quite economical, you service like a regular car. And if the battery died the is a switch to disable the hybrid function. I don't know how much you guys travel but for me rm70 for a 800km drive is good enough. Beside I like the way that it shut down your engine during traffic stop. You may say yala yala petrol cheap here and there... that's because the government is subsidies the petrol. Mind you sooner or later it will end. We see the chaos when badawi increase the petrol price to rm2++ every went crazy even ngv installation fro rm3k shoot up to rm6k call me crazy buying hybrid but when petrol go up then every one will go crazy lining up to pump the last full tank of cheap petrol. Oh you will not be spared using diesel or ngv price will go up face it. In another way battery is getting cheaper and if not mistaken nimh rechargable bateery now is quite a decent price. Rm2k for a battery replacement is not expensive consider it last 5 years it is just rm33.33 monthly and hybrid let me save rm150 monthly... I case whole replacement after 5 years (whole IPU) it cost rm7k monthly work out to rm116.00 offset my petrol savings of rm150.00 I save a little if the price of petrol remains. Just my calculation.
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Oct 2 2011, 05:19 PM)
Actually if you read insight is quite economical, you service like a regular car. And if the battery died the is a switch to disable the hybrid function. I don't know how much you guys travel but for me rm70 for a 800km drive is good enough. Beside I like the way that it shut down your engine during traffic stop. You may say yala yala petrol cheap here and there... that's because the government is subsidies the petrol. Mind you sooner or later it will end. We see the chaos when badawi increase the petrol price to rm2++ every went crazy even ngv installation fro rm3k shoot up to rm6k call me crazy buying hybrid but when petrol go up then every one will go crazy lining up to pump the last full tank of cheap petrol. Oh you will not be spared using diesel or ngv price will go up face it. In another way battery is getting cheaper and if not mistaken nimh rechargable bateery now is quite a decent price. Rm2k for a battery replacement is not expensive consider it last 5 years it is just rm33.33 monthly and hybrid let me save rm150 monthly... I case whole replacement after 5 years (whole IPU) it cost rm7k monthly work out to rm116.00 offset my petrol savings of rm150.00 I save a little if the price of petrol remains. Just my calculation.
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Calvin,

yes, we all know it is economical .. provided it is in healthy condition.
just look at car battery or laptop battery. It really depends on luck sometimes..
i have used a branded car battery before.. but lasted me 18 months only..
while i use a lousy brand before but lasted me 3 years!!

and with our local temperature which goes cold and hot .. which is the worse condition for batteries. You can hardly know how long it last .. if you are unlucky, u end up fork out more then u wish to smile.gif .. its a gamble i would says.

i would gamble on something more solid .. yea .. we know petrol price will go up .. but i do put my gamble on them .. coz in malaysia there are still a lot of poor ppl whom needs transport.. no matter how, the G will subsidise the petrol bcoz if they increase too much .. ppl will makes a lot of noise especially those poor one smile.gif
there are a lot ppl earn very less smile.gif
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QUOTE(duckaton @ Oct 1 2011, 04:26 PM)

Sos Kicap from MMail
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TLDR version

Civic Hybrid battery kong 2 months after warranty.
Honda refuse to replace eventhough battery life supposed to be 10-12 years.
Say warranty is assurance not contract.
Consumer tribunal ask Honda to cite law else pay RM21k
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Hah, buy hybrid summore lah.
Green konon, battery is hazardous to the environment too.

even if battery last 10 years, cost rm20k
petrol can save rm200 a month or not?
how often one drive car no change for 10 years...
think of the resale value after 10 years. no one wanna buy sked battery kong.

Thinking of buying Insight,
after reading this, scared liao
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You missed the point, if this simple thing worries you.
All things equal, pound per pound, it's a good deal, with or without the fuel savings.

Cruise control
Good looks
Fully imported.

And, most importantly is... You're not paying an extra 30/40k on 'nothing' ahem, tax. tax.
Compared with other cars around this price, you're paying 90k for a 50k car.....

The fuel econ is just icing on the cake...
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Calvin,

yes, we all know it is economical .. provided it is in healthy condition.
just look at car battery or laptop battery. It really depends on luck sometimes..
i have used a branded car battery before.. but lasted me 18 months only..
while i use a lousy brand before but lasted me 3 years!!

and with our local temperature which goes cold and hot .. which is the worse condition for batteries. You can hardly know how long it last .. if you are unlucky, u end up fork out more then u wish to smile.gif .. its a gamble i would says.

i would gamble on something more solid .. yea .. we know petrol price will go up .. but i do put my gamble on them .. coz in malaysia there are still a lot of poor ppl whom needs transport.. no matter how, the G will subsidise the petrol bcoz if they increase too much .. ppl will makes a lot of noise especially those poor one smile.gif
there are a lot ppl earn very less smile.gif
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Yes I do agreed theres a lot of people rely on transports. But the government will end the sub soon or later just like any other gov unless you in middle east country where they have endless oil (end soon). Do Malaysia gov really care about the poor people? I dont know because I never live there as an adult but soon find out.

Talk about cold and hot in Malaysia is no match to the Western country is there? My Prius battery survived -10c to 30c all year round since 2006 after 216000 km and it still running like gold. Yes some battery do die early I must admitted that, but it will depend on how the local dealers or franchises. In this case Honda Malaysia is F*** up customer service. If this happend in the UK then Honda will never sell car here again. Honda & Toyota get the top customer service in the Western country. People who manage this brands in Malaysia should work on their customer service & they really want to sell Hybrid there, they should give customer at least 5 yrs warranty on the battery no 3 yrs.

Do some study in the EU petrol price. Same thing, people dont believe in hybrid when it first launched in 99-00.
Now you dont lose any money on hybrid secondhand market especially petrol cost £1.36 (RM6.6) a litre.
Electric car is the next big thing in the west. Same evolution again started "people dont believe in electric car"
Sadly Malaysia motoring still 10 yrs behind. Because the gov still hugging the crapy old Proton.

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Yes I do agreed theres a lot of people rely on transports. But the government will end the sub soon or later just like any other gov unless you in middle east country where they have endless oil (end soon). Do Malaysia gov really care about the poor people? I dont know because I never live there as an adult but soon find out.

Talk about cold and hot in Malaysia is no match to the Western country is there? My Prius battery survived -10c to 30c all year round since 2006 after 216000 km and it still running like gold. Yes some battery do die early I must admitted that, but it will depend on how the local dealers or franchises. In this case Honda Malaysia is F*** up customer service. If this happend in the UK then Honda will never sell car here again. Honda & Toyota get the top customer service in the Western country. People who manage this brands in Malaysia should work on their customer service & they really want to sell Hybrid there, they should give customer at least 5 yrs warranty on the battery no 3 yrs.

Do some study in the EU petrol price. Same thing, people dont believe in hybrid when it first launched in 99-00.
Now you dont lose any money on hybrid secondhand market especially petrol cost £1.36 (RM6.6) a litre.
Electric car is the next big thing in the west. Same evolution again started "people dont believe in electric car"
Sadly Malaysia motoring still 10 yrs behind. Because the gov still hugging the crapy old Proton.

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It happen before and it will happen aain. Also oil price is going up and there is nothing you can do about it yes you can gamble that our nice goverent will alway be here to protect you hello wake up they just impose service tax for prepaid and increase electricity bill and what petrol will maintain yeah right!!! If you give me to put my gamble money on government or GENTING I choose GENTING!!! Hahaha since when you can put your trust on politician!!! Hahaha I rather gamble on Honda or Toyota I believe they are more trustable than government no offense T&H sux but gov sux even more hahaha


Added on October 2, 2011, 7:23 pmOh Toyota and Honda do warranty the battery for 5 years

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Oct 2 2011, 07:29 PM)
honda insight is one stupid car and honda is one BS company..  better buy vios, myvis, protons lancer .. these are the bestest & fastest sports cars  rclxms.gif
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fiesta sedan, properly most affordable 7 airbag car,
want so many airbag for what? when expired , you need to replace it , then you only know the pain.
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want so many airbag for what? when accident , you no airbags , then you only know the pain.
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Oct 2 2011, 07:22 PM)
It happen before and it will happen aain. Also oil price is going up and there is nothing you can do about it yes you can gamble that our nice goverent will alway be here to protect you hello wake up they just impose service tax for prepaid and increase electricity bill and what petrol will maintain yeah right!!! If you give me to put my gamble money on government or GENTING I choose GENTING!!! Hahaha since when you can put your trust on politician!!! Hahaha I rather gamble on Honda or Toyota I believe they are more trustable than government no offense T&H sux but gov sux even more hahaha


Added on October 2, 2011, 7:23 pmOh Toyota and Honda do warranty the battery for 5 years
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It's ok after 5 years I believe there will be shops selling batteries hahaha I cam get from eBay too so I have no worries since I'm a DIY guy
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It's ok after 5 years I believe there will be shops selling batteries hahaha I cam get from eBay too so I have no worries since I'm a DIY guy
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so lets see in 5 years time
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after 5 years, prices for the batteries will be much more expensive because prices of raw materials will rise very significantly
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after 5 years, prices for the batteries will be much more expensive because prices of raw materials will rise very significantly
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That is what i am thinking too ..
20 years ago i play Gameboy with 4xAA battery .. that cost me RM2.50 ..
now 4x AA everyday also like RM5 jo ..
dun say china one la
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I think by then my salary can cover kua (finger crossed) hahaha
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I think by then my salary can cover kua (finger crossed) hahaha
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u know what.. my fren teach me this geh ..
get a hybrid.. drive 4 years ++ .. sell it .. tongue.gif
give ur problem to other ppl .. lolz
then get another new one
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u know what.. my fren teach me this geh ..
get a hybrid.. drive 4 years ++ .. sell it .. tongue.gif
give ur problem to other ppl .. lolz
then get another new one
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Isn't this is what practiced since decades ago by BMW/Merc/Fiat/Alfa owners?

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Isn't this is what practiced since decades ago by BMW/Merc/Fiat/Alfa owners?

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but we poor ppl no choice.. have to have budget only change car 1 ma

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price for battery going up? not true.. Prius battery from RM22k down to RM11k now...

car after 3 years sell is a very common practice for a lot of peoples....
esp those own family business and buy car using company account..
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want so many airbag for what? when accident , you no airbags , then you only know the pain.
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dun understand what u trying to mean here... rclxub.gif
the airbags are meant protect the passengers and reduce impact when car crashes
of course, its better to have more airbags than none right?
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dun understand what u trying to mean here... rclxub.gif
the airbags are meant protect the passengers and reduce impact when car crashes
of course, its better to have more airbags than none right?
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no no... wrong.. in LYN.. less air bag better coz Inspira have less airbag compare to other... no need to replace later ma... INSPIRA!!! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Oct 2 2011, 08:58 PM)
no no...  wrong..  in LYN..  less air bag better coz Inspira have less airbag compare to other...  no need to replace later ma...  INSPIRA!!!  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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not only inspira has 2 airbags.. most car have only 2 .. even the civic's 1.8 comes with dual only
to get more then 2 .. cars nearly 150k ..
the only 2 cars i know offering lots of airbags is forte and fiesta for its price
and u have to replace the airbags every 2 years to make sure it is effective smile.gif

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want so many airbag for what? when accident , you no airbags , then you only know the pain.
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Oct 2 2011, 08:58 PM)
no no...  wrong..  in LYN..  less air bag better coz Inspira have less airbag compare to other...  no need to replace later ma...  INSPIRA!!!  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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haiya, this depend on people one la, my waja 9 years old , early batch no airbag also like that what, give you 100 airbag also no use if you drive like sohXX on road, sure die one. wait until the time you need to replace it then you will start thinking want so many airbag for what enough is good already. i'm not say many is no good, but depend how you like lo, u scare die go buy those car equip with many bag lo, if your mindset is "the more airbag=wont die in accident", go ahead i cant stop what you think. whistling.gif
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Airbag rarely die although stated 10 years but most of them exceed 10 years no issue.

Yes battery may go up interm of price but as I know when battery is rm2 the monthly salary rm1800 is manager salary try getting a manager to work for you for rm1800!!! Hahaha but I believe battery is more affordable now why? Last time I remember taking money to buy rechargeable battery is so expensive that no one will buy (I know cause I use it to play RC) furthermore now I have tons of lipo for my RC heli and monster truck and alot of Nimh for the controller and guess what I feel it is affordable and cheap. Well cheaper compare to gasoline RC. You may argue that but I believe battery is getting cheaper compare to other product like petrol. Pastime I pump rm35 on wira full tank already try pump rm35 to a wira now hahaha
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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Oct 2 2011, 09:09 PM)
haiya, this depend on people one la, my waja 9 years old , early batch no airbag also like that what, give you 100 airbag also no use if you drive like sohXX on road, sure die one. wait until the time you need to replace it then you will start thinking want so many airbag for what enough is good already. i'm not say many is no good, but depend how you like lo, u scare die go buy those car equip with many bag lo, if your mindset is "the more airbag=wont die in accident", go ahead i cant stop what you think.  whistling.gif
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who change Airbag every 2 years?
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Ia it really need /required for 6 air bags? I dont think it is cost effective.
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For me I will pay extra for safety devices like active safety ABS, vehicle stability, traction control, brake assist, panic stop etc.
For passive yes the more airbag is better and the construction of the car body

You may argue why pay so much for this gadgets... well you cannot argue cause you cannot compare your life with money so much more your family life...

So let me ask you how much are you willing to spend for the safety of your life better yet your wife, your children, your dad, your mom??? And you wanted to put them in risk? I will spend for car safety cause we use 50% of our day inside car and a better car is a better investment for the safety of your family and you. To me I will not compromise on this.
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Turbo diesel very good bla bla bla bla...   but u have to look @ our local diesel quality first...
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Diesel quality is ok here. My Triton already 4 years old. No problems. Even my Kangoo also no problem. Both have regular service after 10k. Which idiot told u diesel quality very bad here? Drive first then only judge.


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Actually if you read insight is quite economical, you service like a regular car. And if the battery died the is a switch to disable the hybrid function. I don't know how much you guys travel but for me rm70 for a 800km drive is good enough. Beside I like the way that it shut down your engine during traffic stop. You may say yala yala petrol cheap here and there... that's because the government is subsidies the petrol. Mind you sooner or later it will end. We see the chaos when badawi increase the petrol price to rm2++ every went crazy even ngv installation fro rm3k shoot up to rm6k call me crazy buying hybrid but when petrol go up then every one will go crazy lining up to pump the last full tank of cheap petrol. Oh you will not be spared using diesel or ngv price will go up face it. In another way battery is getting cheaper and if not mistaken nimh rechargable bateery now is quite a decent price. Rm2k for a battery replacement is not expensive consider it last 5 years it is just rm33.33 monthly and hybrid let me save rm150 monthly... I case whole replacement after 5 years (whole IPU) it cost rm7k monthly work out to rm116.00 offset my petrol savings of rm150.00 I save a little if the price of petrol remains. Just my calculation.
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800km at the expense of power! Diesel by itself is very economical and cheap to maintain. Less electronics and less hassle. Powerful too. Some like Triton can do 190kph and still give 700km for full tank. U try top speed on hybrid petrol and see la. Btw, monthly installment for Triton cheaper than Insight. Only road tax higher but u recoup the cost after 6 months. Personally, I hate cars with many electronics. Freaking expensive spare parts.

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I know my dad drive a hilux and previously own a Nissan frontier I know the diesel and trust me it is not that clean... the only reason your diesel engine not giving much problem cause they are using 2nd generation common rail. Try 3rd generation commonrail TD like those found on BMW and merc CDI all black smoke hahaha

Yes you shout now cause at the moment diesel is being subsidies wait till the government reduce it. I do agree the diesel quality is getting better I'm waiting the government to announce the standard for euro4 diesel in Malaysia cause at the moment it is euro2 only.

Hybrid not make to go fast laa well not our kind of hybrid if you wanna go fast you should look at Lexus hybrid (not the small Lexus ct200) but the big performance hybrid. Then you can compare... the current hybrid that get tax exampted is the green hybrid. But then again I do like diesel power...
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yes, for hybrid vs diesel i rather get diesel
like comparing ct200 and bmw320d i will get bmw
or compare prius insight etc etc with ford focus tdci will get ford focus...the long term running cost is just not feasieable
diesel engine is so reliable...no problem whatsoever, proven tested, my dad prado engine last for around 500000km than we change it not because its gonecase, because it start to eat engine oil, how reliable is this engine man...just service and go, no need bother about spark plug or what, once in a while change filter and in a long time change timing belt thats all
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Diesel quality here good? hahahahaha...

most of the diesel engine vehicle they recommend 5K service interval.. not those pick up truck like Hilux, storm etc we are talking about here...

simply google it out what diesel standard we having here..
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Oct 2 2011, 08:58 PM)
no no...  wrong..  in LYN..  less air bag better coz Inspira have less airbag compare to other...  no need to replace later ma...  INSPIRA!!!   thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(IpohLad @ Oct 2 2011, 06:23 PM)
Yes I do agreed theres a lot of people rely on transports. But the government will end the sub soon or later just like any other gov unless you in middle east country where they have endless oil (end soon). Do Malaysia gov really care about the poor people? I dont know because I never live there as an adult but soon find out.

Talk about cold and hot in Malaysia is no match to the Western country is there? My Prius battery survived -10c to 30c all year round since 2006 after 216000 km and it still running like gold. Yes some battery do die early I must admitted that, but it will depend on how the local dealers or franchises. In this case Honda Malaysia is F*** up customer service. If this happend in the UK then Honda will never sell car here again. Honda & Toyota get the top customer service in the Western country. People who manage this brands in Malaysia should work on their customer service & they really want to sell Hybrid there, they should give customer at least 5 yrs warranty on the battery no 3 yrs.

Do some study in the EU petrol price. Same thing, people dont believe in hybrid when it first launched in 99-00.
Now you dont lose any money on hybrid secondhand market especially petrol cost £1.36 (RM6.6) a litre.
Electric car is the next big thing in the west. Same evolution again started "people dont believe in electric car"
Sadly Malaysia motoring still 10 yrs behind. Because the gov still hugging the crapy old Proton.

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in this case, prius and insight is different. prius battery can last until 550,000 km from a taxi driver, and toyota exchange a brand new prius for him, and take his prius for R&D purpose, as it is the highest mileage for a prius.

and in this case, honda hybrid battery has died prematurely, 2 years ++. so, no wonder there are doubts in honda's hybrid battery reliability in msia hot and humid weather.


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Hybrid not make to go fast laa well not our kind of hybrid if you wanna go fast you should look at Lexus hybrid (not the small Lexus ct200) but the big performance hybrid.
maybe should show the youtube video how the GS450H reach 260kmh faster than a 335i bmw.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Oct 3 2011, 12:15 AM)
I know my dad drive a hilux and previously own a Nissan frontier I know the diesel and trust me it is not that clean... the only reason your diesel engine not giving much problem cause they are using 2nd generation common rail. Try 3rd generation commonrail TD like those found on BMW and merc CDI all black smoke hahaha

Yes you shout now cause at the moment diesel is being subsidies wait till the government reduce it. I do agree the diesel quality is getting better I'm waiting the government to announce the standard for euro4 diesel in Malaysia cause at the moment it is euro2 only.

Hybrid not make to go fast laa well not our kind of hybrid if you wanna go fast you should look at Lexus hybrid (not the small Lexus ct200) but the big performance hybrid. Then you can compare... the current hybrid that get tax exampted is the green hybrid. But then again I do like diesel power...
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Agreed dirty for previous Euro1 diesel. Now Euro2 much cleaner. Why worry? Black smoke usually due to dirty diesel particulate filter which all common rail have and owner never replace after 40000km. Replace and no more black smoke.

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Euro 2 still considered dirty diesel this technology is based on say 1985 grade oh my...

now europe is moving to Euro6
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Agreed dirty for previous Euro1 diesel. Now Euro2 much cleaner. Why worry? Black smoke usually due to dirty diesel particulate filter which all common rail have and owner never replace after 40000km. Replace and no black smoke. H
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Whether diesel is dirty or not but still better than hybrid petrol. I have used Euro1 back in 2007-2008 and Euro4 from Thailand early 2011. And yes, Euro4 gives better power and better FC but the cost? RM 3.1/L! Now, it is a matter of time before the G move to Euro4. Even if they chose to stick at Euro2, it is still cleaner than Euro1. Try removing the diesel particulate filter and compare. When I was on Euro1, the filter is brownish after 20000km and now even after 53000km on Euro2, it is still white. However, it depends on where u pump the diesel. Some places especially old stations, the diesel is very dirty. With newer stations, no issue. I only pump at new stations.

During my trip to Sg Petani, the diesel is dirty since the station is over 30 years old. No choice but had to pump half tank anyway and a lot of black smoke. After reaching Penang, I pump full tank of Petronas at Juru where the station is less than 10 years old.
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Guess most of us bought Hybrid will be for the sake to enjoy the tax exemption to the G.

For instance, Insight will save RM75K of tax !!!!!

Any CBU car owner here able to tell us that he or she able to save this amount of $$$ ????

Or asking yourself how much $$ you paid to G for a CBU car you bought ???

We will talk about to save $$ for Hybrid car when patrol price goes Market Value which is RM3.X for RON 95 - which will be a bonus for Hybrid Cars tongue.gif


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Whether diesel is dirty or not but still better than hybrid petrol. I have used Euro1 back in 2007-2008 and Euro4 from Thailand early 2011. And yes, Euro4 gives better power and better FC but the cost? RM 3.1/L! Now, it is a matter of time before the G move to Euro4. Even if they chose to stick at Euro2, it is still cleaner than Euro1. Try removing the diesel particulate filter and compare. When I was on Euro1, the filter is brownish after 20000km and now even after 53000km on Euro2, it is still white. However, it depends on where u pump the diesel. Some places especially old stations, the diesel is very dirty. With newer stations, no issue. I only pump at new stations.

During my trip to Sg Petani, the diesel is dirty since the station is over 30 years old. No choice but had to pump half tank anyway and a lot of black smoke. After reaching Penang, I pump full tank of Petronas at Juru where the station is less than 10 years old.
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While I'm 101% behind diesel rather than hybrid for its strong low end torque (modern turbo diesels) simple but effective, flexible fuel mixtures n proven mechanicals, I'm still dissapointed wit our G's slow response to improve local diesel standard across d land.

And like u said newer stations hv cleaner diesel, so diesel consumers r to hunt n pump only at new stations n stay away from older stations or risk changing d particle filter more often. Tis alone is a step backwards since there is already some talk on which fuel company is best recommended n now we r to narrow it further down to only their newer pumps. rclxub.gif

But as for hybrids, i believe that any1 tat wans to buy it should get it clear tat they r helping to reduce their carbon output, NOT expecting to get better fc as most ppl r thinking. Even though there r some drawbacks n grey areas in d local market. Then there is also d big question on how d expired batteries r to be disposed since we r already aware on how existing everyday batteries (AA ,AAA, cell phone batteries, digital camera batteries etc) require special disposal methods.

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in Malaysian context, how much is the roadtax & selling price of the BMW3? how much is a Prius? whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Deja Vu @ Oct 3 2011, 04:19 PM)
While I'm 101% behind diesel rather than hybrid for its strong low end torque (modern turbo diesels) simple but effective, flexible fuel mixtures n proven mechanicals, I'm still dissapointed wit our G's slow response to improve local diesel standard across d land.

And like u said newer stations hv cleaner diesel, so diesel consumers r to hunt n pump only at new stations n stay away from older stations or risk changing d particle filter more often. Tis alone is a step backwards since there is already some talk on which fuel company is best recommended n now we r to narrow it further down to only their newer pumps.  rclxub.gif

But as for hybrids, i believe that any1 tat wans to buy it should get it clear tat they r helping to reduce their carbon output,  NOT expecting to get better fc as most ppl r thinking. Even though there r some drawbacks n grey areas in d local market. Then there is also d big question on how d expired batteries r to be disposed since we r already aware on how existing everyday batteries (AA ,AAA, cell phone batteries, digital camera batteries etc) require special disposal methods.
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Yes, but the process to creating one of this hybrid batteries actually cause a lot of pollutions....read that sometime before...so in the end, less carbon, but other pollutions increased....and frankly, i bet 99% of people looking at hybrid to save fuel ($$)...NOT GIVE A FCUK about environment issues....just a fact.
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in Malaysian context, how much is the roadtax & selling price of the BMW3?  how much is a Prius?  whistling.gif
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buy a Ford Focus diesel, what the resale value after 5 years?

almost every car manufacturer are developing hybrids, even Plotong is developing one. why pinpoint honda? it is because they are among the 1st to bring this technology to Malaysia? very soon, you will find hybrids everywhere, whether you like it or not.

as for batteries, it will be cheaper when hybrids are more common on the road. same goes for parts. Honda is not stupid.


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if u can see the hidden meaning (behind the jokes done by the 3 top gear presenters), i feel sad for u

let me help u to get u on your way.

the hidden lesson here is
- it is not what u drive, but HOW u drive

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i clearly understand, but i would like to highlight the price difference between the cars. That sum pumps a lot of ron 95.

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as for batteries, it will be cheaper when hybrids are more common on the road. same goes for parts. Honda is not stupid.


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i clearly understand, but i would like to highlight the price difference between the cars. That sum pumps a lot of ron 95.
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i clearly understand, but i would like to highlight the price difference between the cars. That sum pumps a lot of ron 95.
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the price difference of the 2 cars (in malaysian context) is heaven and earth..

this example is to show 2 extreme ends, M3 (high performance, high CC) vs supposedly fuel efficient (regular day to day hybrid)
it would be interesting to see if the hybrid is pitted against a closer competitor... but that is not the case

the case here is that hybrid will give poor consumption figures too if it is gunned all out
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While I'm 101% behind diesel rather than hybrid for its strong low end torque (modern turbo diesels) simple but effective, flexible fuel mixtures n proven mechanicals, I'm still dissapointed wit our G's slow response to improve local diesel standard across d land.

And like u said newer stations hv cleaner diesel, so diesel consumers r to hunt n pump only at new stations n stay away from older stations or risk changing d particle filter more often. Tis alone is a step backwards since there is already some talk on which fuel company is best recommended n now we r to narrow it further down to only their newer pumps.  rclxub.gif

But as for hybrids, i believe that any1 tat wans to buy it should get it clear tat they r helping to reduce their carbon output,  NOT expecting to get better fc as most ppl r thinking. Even though there r some drawbacks n grey areas in d local market. Then there is also d big question on how d expired batteries r to be disposed since we r already aware on how existing everyday batteries (AA ,AAA, cell phone batteries, digital camera batteries etc) require special disposal methods.
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For those living in the cities, why worry... many new stations open yearly. Those in outskirts will worry but then again, they won't bother about black smoke or what so ever for as long the car moves.


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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Oct 3 2011, 04:57 PM)
buy a Ford Focus diesel, what the resale value after 5 years?

almost every car manufacturer are developing hybrids, even Plotong is developing one. why pinpoint honda? it is because they are among the 1st to bring this technology to Malaysia? very soon, you will find hybrids everywhere, whether you like it or not.

as for batteries, it will be cheaper when hybrids are more common on the road. same goes for parts. Honda is not stupid.


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i clearly understand, but i would like to highlight the price difference between the cars. That sum pumps a lot of ron 95.
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Diesel value will sure go up once petrol hits RM 3/L. Trust me... saw this when Petrol went up 2 years back. As for hybrid, I'm sure the value will be lower than diesel after 5 years because battery lifespan almost up. Ask any car dealer. Answer the same.

Right now, I'm hunting for used Renault Kangoo turbo diesel and could not find any except petrol version. Love this van... very economical in the long run.

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QUOTE(Deja Vu @ Oct 3 2011, 04:19 PM)
While I'm 101% behind diesel rather than hybrid for its strong low end torque (modern turbo diesels) simple but effective, flexible fuel mixtures n proven mechanicals, I'm still dissapointed wit our G's slow response to improve local diesel standard across d land.

And like u said newer stations hv cleaner diesel, so diesel consumers r to hunt n pump only at new stations n stay away from older stations or risk changing d particle filter more often. Tis alone is a step backwards since there is already some talk on which fuel company is best recommended n now we r to narrow it further down to only their newer pumps.  rclxub.gif

But as for hybrids, i believe that any1 tat wans to buy it should get it clear tat they r helping to reduce their carbon output,  NOT expecting to get better fc as most ppl r thinking. Even though there r some drawbacks n grey areas in d local market. Then there is also d big question on how d expired batteries r to be disposed since we r already aware on how existing everyday batteries (AA ,AAA, cell phone batteries, digital camera batteries etc) require special disposal methods.
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why choose either diesel or hybrid?

why dun get Diesel hybrid.. thumbup.gif
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why choose either diesel or hybrid?

why dun get Diesel hybrid..  thumbup.gif
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Dem.. make me scare to buy hybrid..
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renault kangoo diesel that we have here is for commercial version only if not mistaken..u should get the fiat multipla instead.. brows.gif
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renault kangoo diesel that we have here is for commercial version only if not mistaken..u should get the fiat multipla instead.. brows.gif
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Got private version if u buy from TC direct. Used as company van. Last I asked, it was 50k complete with DVD audio system.
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why choose either diesel or hybrid?

why dun get Diesel hybrid..  thumbup.gif
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Diesel Hybrid? blink.gif
U mean
- diesel + petrol
- diesel + electric ?

But y go diesel hybrid when many modern diesel engines can already run on pre-mix diesel while maintaining almost similar output n fc?
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Diesel Hybrid?  blink.gif
U mean
- diesel + petrol
- diesel + electric ?

But y go diesel hybrid when many modern diesel engines can already run on pre-mix diesel while maintaining almost similar output n fc?
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Diesel already good enough...no need hybrid diesel.

IMO, the near future, Diesel can be good substitute for petrol. EV cars should be the level to aim for for renewable energy source...provided the issue of cost, power (can we achieve 120km/h without running out of juice in 30 minutes?) and ease of recharging (15 minutes to charge? Or better yet...3 MINUTES for a full charge!) the cars are resolved.
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QUOTE(Deja Vu @ Oct 4 2011, 08:35 AM)
Diesel Hybrid?  blink.gif
U mean
- diesel + petrol
- diesel + electric ?

But y go diesel hybrid when many modern diesel engines can already run on pre-mix diesel while maintaining almost similar output n fc?
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because they can go even further MPG? or that this is another option available?

http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...nasim4/Article/


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If EV cars were to be the norm then TNB would just continually increase electric tariff until people start to curse TNB or sold off their EV cars... back to oil burners.


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i bet 99% of people looking at hybrid to save fuel ($$)...NOT GIVE A FCUK about environment issues....just a fact.
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I would make it 100%. People that really cares about environment issues won't even get a car at all, not to say that hybrid car causes even worse pollution then a normal one.

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we need more green power generators from TNB insted of them burning coal, and diesel we need NUKE!!!!


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TNB won't do any upgrade. All income goes to pocket & bonuses. Until they run out of way then they will cry for Gov help and use our money to upgrade. Then came the news because upgrade cost alot, the tariff have to increase again.

Rince & repeat. wink.gif



Anyway, I would prefer pure diesel than diesel hybrid. And diesel hybrid than petrol hybrid.



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NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE!!!!
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Honda told the court they had offered to replace the battery of the Civic Hybrid but Latifah rejected the offer. The claimant then told the tribunal Honda had refused to entertain her request for battery replacement until the matter is brought to the tribunal and she felt the offer was not good enough and the tribunal president agreed claimant had a right to refuse offers that are deemed not good enough.


Greedy means greedy la. I know she wants either new car or more money compensate. Which is off tribunals claims case in the first place. She sure going to kena one.


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For those living in the cities, why worry... many new stations open yearly. Those in outskirts will worry but then again, they won't bother about black smoke or what so ever for as long the car moves.


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Diesel value will sure go up once petrol hits RM 3/L. Trust me... saw this when Petrol went up 2 years back. As for hybrid, I'm sure the value will be lower than diesel after 5 years because battery lifespan almost up. Ask any car dealer. Answer the same.

Right now, I'm hunting for used Renault Kangoo turbo diesel and could not find any except petrol version. Love this van... very economical in the long run.
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The diesel Renault Kangoo is only available for commercial use. It was never offered as normal passenger cars. It is a 3 door can compared to the normal Kangoo. The only company i seen actually buying a lot of this to use is RidPest. Maybe u can hunt for used unit from them. But it might not be able to be converted to passenger car level.

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Oct 4 2011, 10:23 AM)
we need more green power generators from TNB insted of them burning coal, and diesel we need NUKE!!!!


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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Oct 2 2011, 09:16 PM)
Airbag rarely die although stated 10 years but most of them exceed 10 years no issue.

Yes battery may go up interm of price but as I know when battery is rm2 the monthly salary rm1800 is manager salary try getting a manager to work for you for rm1800!!! Hahaha but I believe battery is more affordable now why? Last time I remember taking money to buy rechargeable battery is so expensive that no one will buy (I know cause I use it to play RC) furthermore now I have tons of lipo for my RC heli and monster truck and alot of Nimh for the controller and guess what I feel it is affordable and cheap. Well cheaper compare to gasoline RC. You may argue that but I believe battery is getting cheaper compare to other product like petrol. Pastime I pump rm35 on wira full tank already try pump rm35 to a wira now hahaha
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Guess most of us bought Hybrid will be for the sake to enjoy the tax exemption to the G.

For instance, Insight will save RM75K of tax !!!!!

Any CBU car owner here able to tell us that he or she able to save this amount of $$$ ????

Or asking yourself how much $$ you paid to G for a CBU car you bought ???

We will talk about to save $$ for Hybrid car when patrol price goes Market Value which is RM3.X for RON 95 - which will be a bonus for Hybrid Cars  tongue.gif
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I play heli maaa and Monster Truck.. all Electric Power smile.gif thats why I have confidence in battery powered car.. no offence...
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Diesel low end torque awesome but high end torque hopeless.

So if good pickup is what u like,get a diesel, but at high speed got no oommmpphh
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Oct 4 2011, 12:39 PM)
Diesel low end torque awesome but high end torque hopeless.

So if good pickup is what u like,get a diesel, but at high speed got no oommmpphh
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but who really needs top speed, speed limit is only 110kmph on the highway, i'm sure u don't need to go any faster than 150kmph because u'll receive a lot of love letters from the cops. Torque is the way to go.

hybrids or EVs will be obsolete within 15 years because by then all cars will be running hydrogen fuel cell.

for all u guys who buys hybrids, i really respect u, save more petrol for me so i can enjoy my petrol powered turbocharged car, thank you so much notworthy.gif
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15 years... I dont know change how many car adee hahahaha
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Oct 4 2011, 12:39 PM)
Diesel low end torque awesome but high end torque hopeless.

So if good pickup is what u like,get a diesel, but at high speed got no oommmpphh
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have u actually own (too harsh on you), driven a modern diesel powered car before commenting on their high speed lack of oommph ?


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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Oct 4 2011, 04:43 PM)
15 years... I dont know change how many car adee hahahaha
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Oct 4 2011, 12:39 PM)
Diesel low end torque awesome but high end torque hopeless.

So if good pickup is what u like,get a diesel, but at high speed got no oommmpphh
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well if you know how power is defined that no need to state the obvious la..

if turbodiesel gives you 400Nm of torque it won't be at 5000-6000rpm lor.. cos that would result in 300BHP or more.. which it aint got.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 4 2011, 09:33 PM)
well if you know how power is defined that no need to state the obvious la..

if turbodiesel gives you 400Nm of torque it won't be at 5000-6000rpm lor.. cos that would result in 300BHP or more.. which it aint got..  biggrin.gif
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diesel engines can't rev that high, average max rpm is around 5k rpm
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Oct 4 2011, 11:17 PM)
diesel engines can't rev that high, average max rpm is around 5k rpm
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Oct 4 2011, 11:17 PM)
diesel engines can't rev that high, average max rpm is around 5k rpm
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that's why it has lots of torque but not the power figures that petrol engines produce that kind of torque usually have. because it can't rev that high,
rev x torque = power. , not enuf rev or not enuf torque = not enuf power.
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that's why it has lots of torque but not the power figures that petrol engines produce that kind of torque usually have. because it can't rev that high,
rev x torque = power. , not enuf rev or not enuf torque = not enuf power.
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not many petrol engines can produce the kind of torque diesels can make (compare same cc). even if they did, the torque won't come as soon as diesel ones. even if the torque comes as early as diesels, the price will be 3 times more expensive.

the only petrol engine I can think of that can match the torque and torque range is the Audi 2.0 TFSI
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not really Hybrid have the torque as the Diesel Engine (The torque come from 0-3k rpm) kinda early do you think smile.gif
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The so called high low torque that comes early in Hybrid car all gimmick only...I was tempted by Totota Prius gimmick of the power of 2.4 ..Darm..I tekan also the car feel so heavy from the start...If I can get the claimed 2.4cc torque..I already a prius owner liao
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not really Hybrid have the torque as the Diesel Engine (The torque come from 0-3k rpm) kinda early do you think smile.gif
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not really Hybrid have the torque as the Diesel Engine (The torque come from 0-3k rpm) kinda early do you think smile.gif
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QUOTE(stimix @ Oct 5 2011, 10:36 AM)
The so called high low torque that comes early in Hybrid car all gimmick only...I was tempted by Totota Prius gimmick of the power of 2.4 ..Darm..I tekan also the car feel so heavy from the start...If I can get the claimed 2.4cc torque..I already a prius owner liao
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i think's it's a lose-lose situation for honda.

Cause if they come out with the report to justify the battery faulty in month 22, then they are killing their own market as people will not buy their hybrid anymore.
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I think lotsa new Gen Honda really having quality issue.. this time the battery - well chances outsourced to a China plant and producing sub-standard Ni-Mh batteries?? -memory problem? ..Other latest version of Honda models even those Civic also having tinnes of quality issues
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i think's it's a lose-lose situation for honda.

Cause if they come out with the report to justify the battery faulty in month 22, then they are killing their own market as people will not buy their hybrid anymore.
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Greedy means greedy la. I know she wants either new car or more money compensate. Which is off tribunals claims case in the first place. She sure going to kena one.


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The diesel Renault Kangoo is only available for commercial use. It was never offered as normal passenger cars. It is a 3 door can compared to the normal Kangoo. The only company i seen actually buying a lot of this to use is RidPest. Maybe u can hunt for used unit from them. But it might not be able to be converted to passenger car level.
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Private registration have. Saw 1. Owner bought from TC used. Have 2 side windows at the back. According to him, TC wanted to bid for taxi project back in 2007 but lost. So, they sold off to staff or internal use. Wasted didn't buy one earlier. I found at TC service centre for 50k back in 2010.


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diesel engines can't rev that high, average max rpm is around 5k rpm
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Why need to high rev? Torque is more important. On petrol, u have to rev high to get more torque while u only need to relax on diesel. And yes, it can be boring to drive but low FC and cheap maintenance counts here. With low rev, there will be less wear and tear for engine parts. Some diesel engines have clocked 1M kilometers.

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Private registration have. Saw 1. Owner bought from TC used. Have 2 side windows at the back. According to him, TC wanted to bid got taxi project back in 2007 but lost. So, they sold off to staff or internal use. Wasted didn't buy one  earlier. I found at TC service centre for 50k back in 2010.


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Why need to high rev? Torque is more important. On petrol, u have to rev high to get more torque while u only need to relax on diesel. And yes, it can be boring to drive but low FC and cheap maintenance counts here. With low rev, there will be less wear and tear for engine parts. Some diesel engines have clocked 1M kilometers.
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pls read my post (with quotes from other forumer) before explaining this to me, i already know most things (including your answer) about diesels
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Yes- low end torque is important to me and thus, when i was looking for new cars few mths ago..I was considering Prius, Camry and Sonata.

Prius torque figure really interest me..High torque at low RPM. So I went for a test drive thinking yeah this will be my nxt car and furthermore low fc. When i test drove it..my god...all those figures as claimed...all bull shitting..high torque & low RPM? darm..even the torque worst than my older Sentra & Waja..not to mention my sold Civic FD1..

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you dont feel it cause all thanks to the CVT.... it is the whole bladi problem is the CVT... it smoothen and suppressed the torque until no oomph....
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The CVT in Prius is different - not using any belt at all. Instead I would blame more on the battery weight - the extra torque they promised countered by the extra battery weight. And 2nd on the CVT. tongue.gif

Take the money and invest in Focus TDCi.

Diesel high torque low RPM... but if the gearing is sparser, it will make a balance in acceleration & top speed.

Still invest in diesel better than hybrid. You never know slight modification you can use vegetable oils.

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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Oct 5 2011, 04:47 PM)
The CVT in Prius is different - not using any belt at all. Instead I would blame more on the battery weight - the extra torque they promised countered by the extra battery weight. And 2nd on the CVT. tongue.gif

Take the money and invest in Focus TDCi. 

Diesel high torque low RPM...  but if the gearing is sparser, it will make a balance in acceleration & top speed.

Still invest in diesel better than hybrid. You never know slight modification you can use vegetable oils.
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honda insight is one stupid car and honda is one BS company..  better buy vios, myvis, protons lancer .. these are the bestest & fastest sports cars  rclxms.gif
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wow, i didn't know vios and myvi is sports car... fuiyo.
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Oct 5 2011, 09:23 AM)
not many petrol engines can produce the kind of torque diesels can make (compare same cc).  even if they did, the torque won't come as soon as diesel ones.  even if the torque comes as early as diesels, the price will be 3 times more expensive.

the only petrol engine I can think of that can match the torque and torque range is the Audi 2.0 TFSI
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again you can have large torque at lower rpm but due to limited rpm range and hence lower peak power, the pull won't last long.. as you would have run out of steam at higher rpm.. still have to change gear soon enough..


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QUOTE(stimix @ Oct 5 2011, 10:36 AM)
The so called high low torque that comes early in Hybrid car all gimmick only...I was tempted by Totota Prius gimmick of the power of 2.4 ..Darm..I tekan also the car feel so heavy from the start...If I can get the claimed 2.4cc torque..I already a prius owner liao
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cos you havent tried high CC with powerful Electric motor hybrids..
anyway I doubt 2.4CC can pull any real car.. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Oct 5 2011, 05:30 PM)
I think vege oil more expensive than petrol...just look at your Minyak Jagung Mazola...LOL....Seriously, one of the reason bio fuel never takes off...palm oil price keeps fluctuating...when it is high, not worth the trouble to convert as biofuel....
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Vege oil will be cheap if u can buy used from fast food restaurants who are happy to get rid of it. U then filter it and voila... clean vege oil.
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Vege oil will be cheap if u can buy used from fast food restaurants who are happy to get rid of it. U then filter it and voila... clean vege oil.
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sounds like thats happening in china now. they get the used oil, and turning it back to the dinner table biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Oct 5 2011, 08:32 PM)
sounds like thats happening in china now. they get the used oil, and turning it back to the dinner table biggrin.gif
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Hybrid is for rich and eco minded people... they just want to be different and don't mind paying more. If everyone like them, T and H will be Number 1 in MY already.

However, smart people will opt for diesel because it is cheap to run and to maintain. Who cares about engine noise while driving? Many new diesel cars have good insulation - u can't hear the diesel clatter from inside.

Some say diesel road tax is double and I say they are outdated. Hello, diesel road tax since 2009 same as petrol road tax.

Others might say cost of diesel will go up and I will say, if it does, so does your daily essential goods as diesel is a transportation fuel. Any increase will also affect all kinds of transportation.

A few may say our local diesel is dirty... so what? Euro2 works on any modern diesel engines because they have one or two diesel particulate filter installed as standard which u need to replace every 40000 km. Even then, u can stretch the filter to 60000km (I did that on my Triton).

Even petrol engines have a filter but people don't bother changing unless the car refuse the start or fuel delivery not consistent. I learned my lesson when my then 15 year old car refuse to start despite having a full tank of RON97 and a new fuel pump. After replacing the filter, car started without a hitch.

The NGV community will fight back saying NGV is cheaper... yes, cheap fuel but engine will die faster because NGV is very dry and will cause the head gasket to crack (owners will solve this problem by starting with petrol for a few mins b4 switching to NGV). NGV conversion ain't cheap u know. Plus, how many Petronas stations have NGV pumps? Will u travel up to 30km or queue up 15 mins to fill up the tank? Waste of time. Not to mention getting jeers and laughs from taxi drivers.

If still want hybrid, I'm banking my money on diesel hybrid... only if can get more than 1000km on full tank of pure city driving. If less, ain't worth the extra cost and expensive spare parts.

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It takes lots of convincing for car manufacturers to put hybrid diesels into production.

Toyota & Volkswagen had made a prototype & both reach the same conclusion....It's not good business sense for them.
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Diesel engine - good FC for similar CC comparing wth petrol and low running cost of not worry about replacing the Hybrid battery.
but but....Noisy engine, and hi-end power lacking wan although superb pick-up...Pros & cons lah..
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I think vege oil more expensive than petrol...just look at your Minyak Jagung Mazola...LOL....Seriously, one of the reason bio fuel never takes off...palm oil price keeps fluctuating...when it is high, not worth the trouble to convert as biofuel....
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Probably I use the wrong words. I mean it can be recycled-used cooking oil. Anyway bio fuel is useless.
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Serious?? Is this possible?? Never heard of this b4. shocking.gif.....so those, yau char kuow and goreng pisang seller can use their recycled cooking oil in their cars?? tongue.gif
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True-lah. Those bio-fuel actually bought used cooking oil esp those black-clack dy & recycle it to bio-fuel. I saw local documentary on this b4.

QUOTE(Matrix @ Oct 6 2011, 09:58 AM)
Serious?? Is this possible?? Never heard of this b4. shocking.gif.....so those, yau char kuow and goreng pisang seller can use their recycled cooking oil in their cars?? tongue.gif
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if u like diesel, buy a diesel engined car, if u like hybrid, buy a hybrid engined car, which one is better? of course, the one u like lah. u wont say your choice of car is bad over another man's pick.


as long as u and me happy with our wallets, end story.

it'll be endless, if we compare to cost, whenever one party said it has the lowest cost per km, the other party would say, that it come at the expense of power,torque bla bla,

if the party under fire said, well, my car do run cheap and have higher torque, then they'll fire another salvo saying your car dont have higher horsepower lah bla bla bla.

then, after all else fails, blame the hybrid battery cost..aiyah, its almost the same cost with you upgrading your rims and ICE.

in the end, what have we concluded? diesel are more superior than petrol? hybrid sucks, turbodiesel won?


can we just discuss and focus on the pros and cons of our ride. others will be well informed too.


Added on October 6, 2011, 1:04 pmin my OPINION,

we own cars based on our budget. there is no right and wrong over our choosing, you and me sir. there is nothing bad about diesel or petrol or vege oil or NGV. No one likes to be critised anyway..especially over our rides, because we love our ride, you and me sir.

during my younger days, i have own several national and non-national cars, i modded the cars to gain extra oomph and satisfaction..most people does.

but how does all this modification benefit me in the long run, i have failed to see. yes i can drive fast to high heavens, i can brake the car in the shortest distance, but then, how fast can we drive in our road or highways, u can reached 180-190km/h but for how long, there will always be a time when a late-turning car who will eventually cut into our lane, and then we will have to slow down and accelerate again. rage ensues. we sit at traffic light, and when we try to accelerate past another car, the other car will pressed his throttle hard, adamant to not let u pass his car (because his car is powerful than yours), and u retaliate back, rage ensues.

nowadays, there are a lot of cars on the road, traffic volume in puchong was 40,000 in 2004 but multiquadrapled to 440,000 in 2010. this literally means that our roads are choked with cars, in other words, there will be plenty of cars and a lot less space for us to 'enjoy' our car. we will be cramped bumper to bumper, side by side, just to move forward to get to our destination. in the process, we burn more fuel. just look at during festive holidays, our NSE are clogged to the max with cars. everyone burns fuel. for nothing.


we need to use less fuel, which will translate to less cost to u and me. we also need to care for the environment. i believe, hybrid cars are good technology that will help towards reducing emission and lowering our crave for fuel. BMW and AUDI have also starts putting motor electric on their cars. well, these are not bench markers but the trend is slowly going towards this direction. the cars have changed, we also need to change.

there are other technology still in development, like hydrogen fuel cell car (Honda Clarity), and other mumbo jumbo high tech stuff which is still beyond our reach (even if it does, we will always criticize it down to its manufacturing process because we don't like to change to new technology),
nonetheless there are also other technology that helps to reduce fuel consumption, like VTG, common rail turbo diesel, REEV, EV.

as i said, there is nothing wrong with our choosing. i chose a hybrid car and happy with my decision, and pretty much impressed about its efficiency, and the manner which it recycles energy and conserved them and cutting down consumption whenever we don't need it (like auto-stop function).

please stop giving a bad reputation over something, just because there is one bad apple on the farm. yes, the battery of the writer's hybrid fails. a replacement is being offered and why we need to bury a wonderful technology (hybrid) that is so wonderful millions of people around the world loves it.

would u still be driving your high powered torque and high powered engine car through a traffic jam in the future. don't u want to try something different?

regards.

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agree with ur opinion, im also had civic hybrid car..very satistfied with this car..
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totally agree... I believe all petrol car should be hybrid,

the way it recycle waste energy to the battery and use the recycle energy to boost the car is actually a cleaver design...

currently all non hybrid car has alot of wastage energy durring traffic stop... I believe this is a waste... waste of petrol burning it and become smoke when you sit in the traffic jam... you also know laaa to turn off tap water when finish using and not keeping the water flowing non stop... this is called conserve energy... petrol also same why keep the engine running when you stuck in jam... or keep the engine running when you are slowing down (de-celerating)

I choose a hybrid cause it is smart and stop petrol wastage...
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in order not to waste petrol, Follow those folks in bangkok haha..Everytime they stuck in jam or stop at traffic light, they stop their engine - You dun see this in m'sia
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Auto Start Stop will kill the starter / generator faster in a matter of years and very expensive to replace. Now u enjoy the hybrid technology... fast forward 5 years and problems start coming up and u fork out hefty sums for replacement. On top of that, parts only available from H or T not chop shops like most cars.
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Auto Start Stop will kill the starter / generator faster in a matter of years and very expensive to replace. Now u enjoy the hybrid technology... fast forward 5 years and problems start coming up and u fork out hefty sums for replacement. On top of that, parts only available from H or T not chop shops like most cars.
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QUOTE(acbc @ Oct 6 2011, 05:12 PM)
Auto Start Stop will kill the starter / generator faster in a matter of years and very expensive to replace. Now u enjoy the hybrid technology... fast forward 5 years and problems start coming up and u fork out hefty sums for replacement. On top of that, parts only available from H or T not chop shops like most cars.
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They don't use starter to start the engine laaa they use the brushless motor and brushless means maintenance free


Added on October 6, 2011, 7:33 pmAlso I believe sooner or later sure got chop shop parts one... Currently insight and Prius is the best selling car in japan

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QUOTE(Jeff_lwh @ Oct 1 2011, 10:33 PM)
Wow...  40000km++ per year.  Went to Hatyai often?.

Anyway, for such case I recommend you to own a 2nd car to even out the mileage.  Mileage too high = Wear and tear, affects resale value.  At this mileage you should change brake pad AT LEAST TWICE!!!
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QUOTE(acbc @ Oct 6 2011, 05:12 PM)
Auto Start Stop will kill the starter / generator faster in a matter of years and very expensive to replace. Now u enjoy the hybrid technology... fast forward 5 years and problems start coming up and u fork out hefty sums for replacement. On top of that, parts only available from H or T not chop shops like most cars.
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and u say this based on facts?
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and u say this based on facts?
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maintenance of Honda Insight is the highest in honda malaysia. good luck.
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QUOTE(acbc @ Oct 7 2011, 12:38 PM)
Yes life facts based on 10 years experience with electric motor.
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why bother buying hybrid? u cant save much, resales value really down the drain...
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Yawn... I'll be LMAO once hybrid owners start complaining of battery and electronic failures in 5 years time. For cheaper hybrid, I put it at 3 years min.


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why bother buying hybrid? u cant save much, resales value really down the drain...
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Dunno... tree huggers maybe.

Anyway, I kept telling people... if petrol is RM 5/L, hybrid really worth it. But, petrol is so cheap here (when compared to TH) so u don't save much. So far, I've observed the following with the CT200H.

1. Full tank is less than 40L, estimated less than 76 bucks for full tank.
2. In traffic jam areas like KL, a full tank can last at least 3 weeks.
3. Total mileage after 3 weeks is 636km.

For now, I won't move to hybrid especially petrol as gomen will increase the price after GE13. Waiting for diesel turbo hybrid with at least 6-speed auto gearbox.

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THE case of novelist Latifah Emir claiming against Kah Motors over a battery defect in her Honda Civic Hybrid entered a new phase on Tuesday when the president of the tribunal deemed their rebuttal insufficient to win them the case.

According to Latifah, the judge told Kah Motors and Honda the Consumer Act 1999 deems a warranty for a product as an assurance to customers and not a contract as it is usually one-sided and rejected the argument the car's defect surfaced after the warranty period.

Latifah said defects began appearing in month 22 of ownership as the high voltage hybrid drive batteries failed to recharge properly but Honda insisted there was nothing wrong with the car. The battery failed completely about two months after the two-year warranty period lapsed.

The tribunal president then queried Honda about their claims over 10 to 12 years' battery lifespan and was told the life of the battery would depend on the way it is driven. The president then asked Honda to furnish any documentary evidence that accompanied the sales brochure to support this claim but Honda failed to do so.

Honda told the court they had offered to replace the battery of the Civic Hybrid but Latifah rejected the offer. The claimant then told the tribunal Honda had refused to entertain her request for battery replacement until the matter is brought to the tribunal and she felt the offer was not good enough and the tribunal president agreed claimant had a right to refuse offers that are deemed not good enough.

In the end, the president gave Kah Motors and Honda Malaysia until Sept 9 to provide a written submission to prove what they did is within the laws of Malaysia, and to challenge the Consumer Act 1999 Law if they deem it wrong. Otherwise, the judge will rule permission for Latifah to claim a sum of RM21,521.19 from Kah Motors.

The hearing for the verdict will be held on Sept 13.

Sos Kicap from MMail
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TLDR version

Civic Hybrid battery kong 2 months after warranty.
Honda refuse to replace eventhough battery life supposed to be 10-12 years.
Say warranty is assurance not contract.
Consumer tribunal ask Honda to cite law else pay RM21k
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Hah, buy hybrid summore lah.
Green konon, battery is hazardous to the environment too.

even if battery last 10 years, cost rm20k
petrol can save rm200 a month or not?
how often one drive car no change for 10 years...
think of the resale value after 10 years. no one wanna buy sked battery kong.

Thinking of buying Insight,
after reading this, scared liao
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Dear members of the media,

My name is Latifah, 55, mother of four, from Malaysia, and I am also a
Honda Civic Hybrid owner.

I would assume that with all the recent hype behind the Class Action
lawsuit against Honda in the US on grounds of cheating mileage claim and
also Heather Peters vs American Honda Inc case at California Small Claims
Court, that you would have probably guessed where my story is heading...

Well, to cut a long story short, my Honda Civic Hybrid's IMA battery went
kaput after a year and ten months of owning it from brand new.

My HCH is one of the earlier Hybrid to be purchased in this country. I am
not so fussed about the failed technology part of it, as this can happen
to the very best of us, but I am very concerned and terribly upset about
how Honda ridiculed and humiliated a customer who is an early adopter of
their Hybrid technology.

Instead of helping me out with a technology, that they admit is still in
its infancy, the company decided to make an example of me, a caution to
all and any hybrid buyers that there are no sympathy from Honda if the
expensive IMA battery fails.

My initial requested to Honda was for a straightforward battery
replacement, but they refused. Insisting that the fault with the car
occurred outside of the warranty period.

Having exhausted all avenues of communication with the company, including
writing directly to the CEO and receiving no evidence of customer care, we
had no choice but to seek compensation through the Malaysian Consumer
Tribunal late last year.

Even at this point, Honda refused to make an offer for reasonable battery
replacement but instead came up with non-sense terms and warranty which I
rejected.

The Consumer Tribunal Court here disallow lawyers to represent parties in
order to keep cost to a minimum and give access to everyone, and without
the benefit of fancy legal jargon to defend themselves against my simple
statement of facts, Honda lost.

To put it simply the tribunal found that Honda and the dealer that sold me
the car was unable to defend their false advertising that claim of 10-12
years lifespan for the IMA battery.

The tribunal ordered them to pay me back an equivalent of US$7,000 in
compensation.

Just like in Heather Peter's case, Honda in Malaysia appealed for a
judicial review at the High Court shortly after. I can only release the
Consumer Tribunal Grounds for Judgement here as my High Court case is
still active.

After plenty of spinning and hair splitting by their lawyers, it seems
like Honda may get their way after all through the legal channel of this
country. But I will have to wait for the verdict to be release 27th of
March 2012.

Yes my story does sound like another typical narration of a victim of
corporate fraud who then gets away with it because they can afford
expensive lawyers who will do anything to get their clients off the hook.

The reason why I am writing this is to seek help from International Media
to actually cover my story.

My story is minimally picked up by the media here especially the motoring
media as most of them are in the pocket of Honda's advertising department.

I wrote to the authority and govt agency here, but no one seems interested
to entertain my complaints either.

Meanwhile, Honda enjoys maximum advertising coverage for their Hybrid
range by bringing in more Hybrid cars here due to tax incentives.
The victim – the public here then blindly buys a Honda Hybrid without
knowing that Honda will turn on them if once the dirt hits the fan.

This is not about my loss any more, this is about principles and my rights
as a customer.

If this was back in the days of glorious Japanese industrial standards
and discipline, nothing less of Harakiri would be expected from Honda's
CEO if a blunder like this were to take place.

Today, they can pat each other on the back congratulating on their sales
success for their infamous fraudulent green car.

Hope this finds you well. I am more than happy to answer any questions and
I will be grateful with any help that I can get.


Best wishes,

Latifah
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.......

Sos Kicap from MMail

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Somehow the source is vanished jor

But can find it here

Other from other site

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Honda is no more japanese.

They are under drb-hicom
the same people behind proton and gardenia bread
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I hope all goes well for her. Honda should replace her a new car instead of a junk battery for all she had to go through
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March 27 is just a few days from now. I hope to hear updates on her case as her case can be a precedent to future claims by any consumers against cases such as this.

After paying close to RM100k, you would expect the car to at least serve you well for 5 years++. The battery is an integral part of the car and without it, the car is as good as dead. Not what I would call wear and tear parts like timing belts etc.

People should start spreading the stories on facebook and other media channels online to make people aware of the ongoing fraud perpetuated by Honda Malaysia.

It seems Honda Civic hybrid is no longer sold and is now replaced by the Honda Insight which uses the same drivetrain as the civic model

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bad new every1...just got an email frm jornalist fren...this lady latifah lost her case at high court mah...so honda supporters will be very happy...but this is problem for all hybrid driver lor...no justice in msia...


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Honda is no more japanese.

They are under drb-hicom
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wrong...honda very japanese..drb only own few % for plant in melaka...thts y modus operandi same as in US mah...

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Just found this very old case. After this and thanks to all, honda hybrid battery has 8 years warranty.

If we replaced after 8 years, does it has another 8 years on the new battery or only 6 months??

No one can answer this question of replacement battery warranty.
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Honda battery is much lesser than rm20k la... The rm20k is a compensation for her time and the nuisance honda cost her.
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i'm using a honda city hybrid at the moment. close to 2 years now.
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looking forward to use this car for a very long time, perhaps longer than 10 years.
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Whatever happened to the case. What was the final decision?

 

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