So....
With all views expressed re "oversteer" & "understeer", which category does BLM/FL/FLX belong to?

And how to correct it? By "modding" the car and/or way of driving?

Feel some "education" here wld b most welcomed by all who own or drive Sagas...TQ!!

This post has been edited by zeone: Sep 26 2011, 11:09 PM

i will like to say that: if u wana be safe out of all of this steering issues, go get a train. settle.

peace? hehehe.

add-on: shit happens, so just take or throw.

This post has been edited by SiuYi: Sep 26 2011, 11:08 PM

there's only understeer for FF cars.

how to solve? Know the limit of the car and understand the road you're traveling on lo. Simple.

I agree...when sh*t gonna happen, it will happen! Nothing we can do abt it @ that time!

But for ordinary driver, if kno car = oversteer type or understeer, mayb can increase limit b4 breaking point? Thru simple mods or driving style?

Feel wld b good advice...& wld help many...

zeone
i duno.i know my B-line r13 just cant make a good turn around the roundabout. but i upgrade it to sapura lowered and r15 taiwan rims with 195/50 tyres plus 3max 4 point front strut, semua settle. if my car still buang, then is the tyre grip issue liaw, not the steering lor.

p/s; i drive my gf's lmst buang at cornering wei..oversteer. pasal ada pasir kat jalan masa buat kornering lor. hehehe.

Understeer and Oversteer according to Top Gear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoICf55jED8



This post has been edited by dares: Sep 26 2011, 11:25 PM

"Oversteer is best because you don't see the tree that kills you."

Haha...

ui~ today we tok about under and over steer ka? hahaha.

If not wrong... Mayb promo stuff(?)...
Read in UR webpgs, if wanna reduce understeer, stiffening rear of car wld help?
True?

If true, then adding those UR rear bars may help?

zeone
er..i dun believe lor. but bars are suppose to do that job lar. depend on ur budget la. i rather get bigger width tyre surface to avoid such cases.

hard cornering too much after installing those bars also not good lah, without strengthening the chassis or do spot welding.

sooner later chassis will bengkok. coz body flex too much.

In other words, 1 way 2improve on "breaking point" is to :
1. Lower car ie lower centre of gravity;
2. Wider rims & tyres ie providing better grip on road.

TQ 4that!

NB. Use of chassis strengthening bars dependent on budget - Bro SiuYi. TQ.

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Added on September 26, 2011, 11:47 pmThot this wld b good & useful knowledge for many drivers...a lot of many ppl losing ctrl over their cars these days!!

This post has been edited by zeone: Sep 26 2011, 11:47 PM

zeone
i wont say my suggestion is a good one. anyhow that is what i did la.

Yr suggestion works!! I am proof of that!! Still alive now...hehe...

An ole story... Driving along Genting-Sempah pass (b4 Karak Hiway time!!) in VW 1300. Car spins 180 deg. Faced opp direction! Luckily not go dwn ravine!!

Added wheel spacers. Changed to good radials (Old VWs came with crossplies!) Also changed shocks to Konis...adjustables.

Drove same way nxt trip. Smooth taking all the corners all the way!

True story!!

This post has been edited by zeone: Sep 26 2011, 11:57 PM

my opinion, malaysia should add defensive driving in driving school curriculum too. The 2 second rule isn't enough. Should know how to anticipate and avoid dangers caused by other people's bad driving.

ABS is the perfect example. Many cars nowadays already equipped with ABS but not many driver know how to use it properly.

All this talk about over- and under-steer.
Since when Saga become like Felali?

Remember 1st and foremost, Saga is a family car and meant to be driven like one. Drive safe, live long and prosper.

Support addition of Defensive driving. Mayb even advanced driving courses?

ABS? To most, got ABS means they juz step on brake pedal & brakes take care by thenselves!! Wanna do wat summore? Hv yu seen the promo diagrams? Haha!

this is where everyone gets it wrong.

It is called "Anti-lock" for a reason. In an event of emergency braking, ABS will prevent wheels from locking up and allows the driver to steer the car out of danger. Merely stomping on the brake pedal and let the system do the job is more like EBD's job.

About the defensive driving, yes I agree. There are some things that you learn while driving, that is not taught at driving school. For example, when changing lane, it's easier if your speed matches the car at the lane u want to change into.

Yup...yu kno dat...& a no. of us also BUT many esp new drivers don't!!
Also promo diagrams show ABS & EBD got together. Nvr tell abt driver needs to keep cool AND STEER the car out of danger!!

Whose fault? Education failed? Car companies? Driving Schools? JPJ? Drivers themselves?