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Nemesis1980
post Jan 3 2013, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Jan 3 2013, 02:22 PM)
Thanks. Any 'dark' places I should avoid around that area?

I'll let you know once I get everything confirmed.

Quite confused with their property type. What's the difference between a 'unit' and an apartment?
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Avoid Redfern (aborigines, highly dangerous,even you're walking a group of people), Cabramatta (Vietnamese, gangsterism)
I would recommend some areas like Hurstville (Chinese area), Rockdale, Leichardt (Italian) , Stanmore, Petersham etc...
Mostly the accommodation near to train station is always shitty area coz those areas where the druggies/drunken people hanging around as they easily commute to your place by train.
Above are the areas which i found suitable to live in. Nice old classic building at inner west which you'll find many interesting things there.
Hurstville is a nice place where you can get malaysian ingredients even with bak kut teh. Rental is not cheap too...

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QUOTE(onomatopoeia @ Jan 3 2013, 05:30 PM)
Ic..But I read somewhere that interest is taxable right?
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yes you are right.not much difference unless you have huge savings
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post Jan 3 2013, 02:55 PM

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Added on January 3, 2013, 2:02 pm
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Check in DIAC website, c wat's ur visa options
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checked numerous times, no visa is suitable other than the working holiday visa which isn't quite what i am looking for. the key here seems to be whether i can get sponsorship. so i need to rephrase my question, what's the probability of me getting a sponsorship from an architectural firm? i know its difficult to get architectural job in big cities like Melbourne and Sydney, but I've heard Perth is more likely to offer jobs.

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post Jan 3 2013, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jan 3 2013, 12:01 PM)
went to sydney for holiday and honestly, not much different compare to KL. busy city with rude people everywhere, bad traffic, not that clean and public transport not that great compare to melbourne.

the thing i like about sydney is shopping. can easily find the thing that i want in sydney CBD


Added on January 3, 2013, 12:02 pm
then what makes you consider australia?


Added on January 3, 2013, 12:02 pm
then what makes you consider australia?
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Because of the more peaceful environment and money perhaps? My relatives are in Melbourne, so far the comments I received from them are positive.
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post Jan 3 2013, 03:17 PM

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Added on January 3, 2013, 2:02 pm
checked numerous times, no visa is suitable other than the working holiday visa which isn't quite what i am looking for. the key here seems to be whether i can get sponsorship. so i need to rephrase my question, what's the probability of me getting a sponsorship from an architectural firm? i know its difficult to get architectural job in big cities like Melbourne and Sydney, but I've heard Perth is more likely to offer jobs.
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Getting a sponsorship could be harder than finding a job. If you don't even have a job how you gonna expect an employer to sponsor you a visa?
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Added on January 3, 2013, 2:02 pm
checked numerous times, no visa is suitable other than the working holiday visa which isn't quite what i am looking for. the key here seems to be whether i can get sponsorship. so i need to rephrase my question, what's the probability of me getting a sponsorship from an architectural firm? i know its difficult to get architectural job in big cities like Melbourne and Sydney, but I've heard Perth is more likely to offer jobs.
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near to nil i would say unless you have better working experience now?
most of my friends are architect in melbourne and the pay is too average and hard to grow but they have passion with architecture and that's what make them stay

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post Jan 3 2013, 06:16 PM

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Added on January 3, 2013, 2:02 pm
checked numerous times, no visa is suitable other than the working holiday visa which isn't quite what i am looking for. the key here seems to be whether i can get sponsorship. so i need to rephrase my question, what's the probability of me getting a sponsorship from an architectural firm? i know its difficult to get architectural job in big cities like Melbourne and Sydney, but I've heard Perth is more likely to offer jobs.
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I have friends who husband & wife are architect in melbourne. However, they decide to move back to Singapore to work. Reason?not sure, as they have a descent job there. I guess they're opening firm in singapore.
My advise is just try to apply for employer sponsorship if there is chance.
Search for recruitment agencies, who knows you might be the lucky one
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post Jan 4 2013, 05:14 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jan 3 2013, 12:01 PM)
went to sydney for holiday and honestly, not much different compare to KL. busy city with rude people everywhere, bad traffic, not that clean and public transport not that great compare to melbourne.
Just a heads up to anyone wishing to travel to melbourne, now you can only use a Myki card when travelling using public transportation in Melbourne city. That means visitors and tourists need to buy a $6 myki card + credit/pass in order to travel. In Malaysian terms, it is equivalent to only be able to use touch n go smartcard when using public transportation.

QUOTE(onomatopoeia @ Jan 3 2013, 02:30 PM)
Ic..But I read somewhere that interest is taxable right?
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The banks can charge a withholding tax on your interest income if you fail to provide a tax file number. Link
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post Jan 4 2013, 07:59 AM

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Actually you don't have to go to Australia personally to do work there. I heard nowadays some technology companies in Australia prefer to contract jobs to Asian countries like Malaysia and India due to lower labor cost and highly skilled IT professionals there. With the ease of internet connection, working for overseas companies is now a reality and you can enjoy the comfort of working from home. I heard Bestong Sydney (They run the Chinese and English bilingual website at www.Bestong.com.au) was seeking a professional IT engineer in countries of Taiwan and mainland China to help them develop the online search engine for their huge database. Why not trying Google to seek IT contract jobs worldwide? I am sure you can contribute your valuable IT skill in the wider world market not just confined to Australia.
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QUOTE(skyline_lowyat @ Jan 4 2013, 10:59 AM)
Actually you don't have to go to Australia personally to do work there. I heard nowadays some technology companies in Australia prefer to contract jobs to Asian countries like Malaysia and India due to lower labor cost and highly skilled IT professionals there. With the ease of internet connection, working for overseas companies is now a reality and you can enjoy the comfort of working from home. I heard Bestong Sydney (They run the Chinese and English bilingual website at www.Bestong.com.au) was seeking a professional IT engineer in countries of Taiwan and mainland China to help them develop the online search engine for their huge database. Why not trying Google to seek IT contract jobs worldwide? I am sure you can contribute your valuable IT skill in the wider world market not just confined to Australia.
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that is outsourcing. people go australia is to earn AUD$, not RM,etc
you can see many call center and helpdesk from australia have been shifted to asian country especially India. they will get paid in indian rupees

eg, the helpdesk for HP in australia is located at HP cyberjaya. my cousin is working in that area and get paid in RM, not AUD.
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jan 4 2013, 08:45 AM)
that is outsourcing. people go australia is to earn AUD$, not RM,etc
you can see many call center and helpdesk from australia have been shifted to asian country especially India. they will get paid in indian rupees

eg, the helpdesk for HP in australia is located at HP cyberjaya. my cousin is working in that area and get paid in RM, not AUD.
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Hassle free somemore, no need to kaotao to Oz union. No need to sponsor anyone and saves money.
I saw most of this in big corporate company.
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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Jan 4 2013, 12:10 PM)
Hassle free somemore, no need to kaotao to Oz union. No need to sponsor anyone and saves money.
I saw most of this in big corporate company.
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and it nearly happens to my department as well but luckily senior managers able to convinced the director to know that how inconvenient if it's outsource to india. i believe director will bring this matter up again in future to loosen up the budget
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post Jan 4 2013, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jan 4 2013, 09:19 AM)
and it nearly happens to my department as well but luckily senior managers able to convinced the director to know that how inconvenient if it's outsource to india. i believe director will bring this matter up again in future to loosen up the budget
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I think the major impact should be the time difference. My friend who worked in an american company in KL has to work shift to coup the US time for their work communication. Yeah, pay is higher than malaysia average salary but you have to work in time difference. Everyone is sleeping while you stay awake working...if the pay is good, who cares!

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Added on January 3, 2013, 2:02 pm
checked numerous times, no visa is suitable other than the working holiday visa which isn't quite what i am looking for. the key here seems to be whether i can get sponsorship. so i need to rephrase my question, what's the probability of me getting a sponsorship from an architectural firm? i know its difficult to get architectural job in big cities like Melbourne and Sydney, but I've heard Perth is more likely to offer jobs.
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It really depends on your credential. Unless you have multiple years exp at a significant position with a reputable company, I would say the chance is little.

You need to get a job to get sponsorship. Without a proper visa (e.g. Australian PR), I would not be optimistic about getting a job from this land.
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post Jan 4 2013, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(apple2011 @ Jan 3 2013, 12:49 AM)
Very true.. Which is why we are going to migrate to Aust at end of Feb after CNY. Sometimes it's not just about money (altho money plays an important role smile.gif vicious cycle isn't it?).

It is not an easy decision but we are willing to give it a go. I am bringing my wife and our 2yo daughter. I've already got a job, starting in March. We are Australian PR and we have a house there (previously rented out). It's scary yet exciting. Anyway one can only hope for the best.

Which part of Aust are you in?
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Heading to Adelaide.. but maybe not so soon.. =)


Added on January 4, 2013, 11:37 am
QUOTE(ethanniel @ Jan 3 2013, 03:32 AM)
damn, all coming to australia.... But Im going back for gd.
for those who have no more than 2 or 3 years experience in their field, i guess its no point coming over.
i graduated frm perth in 2011, been working in a very small company as graduate mechanical engineer, recently just got sacked due to the lack of projects.
my issue is I got only 1 year experience, cant get any interview opportunity out there
thing doesnt sounds too bad until i heard three of my frens who work in GHD, Aecom, and bhp also got sacked (1 of them now working as pizza deliverer )
so, for those coming in to oz, gd luck to yall in job finding as mining industry is not as gd as before.


Added on January 3, 2013, 4:13 amBtw, after reading so many comments, my guts feeeling to Australia is that:

Pros
1. Australia is an enjoyable place if u like a laid back life style, no rush, no anything. ( compare to sg n mas ).
2. You got human rights, you got paid if you OT. (UNIONs protect yr rights against employers, these unions would scare the hell out of yr employers)
3. You can earn 3x money than malaysia. Bring yr money back to malaysia, you would divide the price tag by three when you go anywhere in malaysia. I bet anyone working here would have experienced the same thing.
4. Gd for those ppl who doesnt want to open businesses. Small businesses are hard to survive in Aus. Too much laws n regulations. Payrate is too high even for a normal worker.

Cons
1. Lonely, no true frens. (all my besties are in malaysia, even GF)
2. Too KAMPONG. (at least its for Perth)
3. No nightlife (my nightlife 'definition' is mamak or dai-chao, im sick of maccas n jacks), pubs n bars are everywhere but i bet 1 day u'll sick of it too.
4.  Racism ( damn ABOS r everywhere, huan gia are relatively better and gentle than them. Careful when they approach u, they'll ether ask
a. Can u spare me two dollars?
b. Can u spare me a ciggarettes?
5. Hard to survive if open a business. ( Reasons stated above)


Added on January 3, 2013, 4:17 amN forget about australia if you havent get a job or visa. (preferable PR rather than TR)


Added on January 3, 2013, 4:21 amOhh ya, anyone working in mechanical engineering field? Care to tell me whether yr company has vancancy for a graduate mechanical engineer?
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Would you consider other parts of Australia? Try headhunters/recruitment agencies... good luck!


Added on January 4, 2013, 11:44 am
QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jan 3 2013, 10:10 AM)
PR is not easy compare to last few years. the reason is simple for my case. occupation not in SOL list and full stop.

it only dark when daylight saving starts. DST was ended last 2 months and i quite like it. it start to get dark after 8:30pm so i still can enjoy sunlight after work. weather is a b**** though. prepare for 37c tomorrow sad.gif

malaysia is awesome for me too but most of my friends are busy with their works(need to work at saturday as well? gosh).
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Heard Canberra has a lot of occupations for sponsorship.. have you tried looking there?

I returned from Japan recently and it gets dark at 530 pm. I don't think it's a problem for me.. but of course i know ppl who get depressed because it feels dark and gloomy all the time (like UK)..

Malaysia outside in the afternoon can also be 37 degrees? I think it's the dryness that's the problem...?

yea in Malaysia and Singapore most ppl will have to work a lot of the time... so... a bit no work-life balance... hence I'm looking at Australia... especially for ppl with family... you know last time my parents would bring the kids out to Taman Tasik Perdana for Sunday morning jogs/exercise and family time.. nowadays i think cannot already because either have to work... or too tired over the weekday and need rest... is that true for some of you?


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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Jan 3 2013, 11:48 AM)
Well, i heard more crapped stories from malaysia too. Wanna listen?
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I have heard people say... "you think there is racism in Australia? I have never seen as much racism elsewhere than in Malaysia..."
which made me think that at least in Australia you get racially discriminated you sue and get millions? biggrin.gif

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Canberra is not for me and i don't really agree with lot of sponsorship there. sponsorship is everywhere but it just depends on the company whether they want to do all the paperwork. HR over here is pretty slack and like to act bossy. They won't put themselves into trouble completing those sponsorship paperwork

it is 39c in melbourne right now and the UV is too strong.
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QUOTE(Mirror_man @ Jan 4 2013, 11:33 AM)
Heading to Adelaide.. but maybe not so soon.. =)


Added on January 4, 2013, 11:37 am

Would you consider other parts of Australia?  Try headhunters/recruitment agencies... good luck!


Added on January 4, 2013, 11:44 am

Heard Canberra has a lot of occupations for sponsorship.. have you tried looking there?

I returned from Japan recently and it gets dark at 530 pm.  I don't think it's a problem for me.. but of course i know ppl who get depressed because it feels dark and gloomy all the time (like UK)..

Malaysia outside in the afternoon can also be 37 degrees? I think it's the dryness that's the problem...?

yea in Malaysia and Singapore most ppl will have to work a lot of the time... so... a bit no work-life balance... hence I'm looking at Australia... especially for ppl with family... you know last time my parents would bring the kids out to Taman Tasik Perdana for Sunday morning jogs/exercise and family time.. nowadays i think cannot already because either have to work... or too tired over the weekday and need rest... is that true for some of you?


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I have heard people say... "you think there is racism in Australia?  I have never seen as much racism elsewhere than in Malaysia..."
which made me think that at least in Australia you get racially discriminated you sue and get millions? biggrin.gif
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Malaysia is heading to more work, cheap labour, inflation, sleep along the street or a family living in a cramp pigeon hole. When foreigners is saying 'How could that be possible?' Yeah, Malaysia Boleh!
Racist in malaysia is like day to day basis to us already and get used to it. Politician utterly spit out racial terms and media with loads of bull$ht racial thing but you can sue them without any compensation.
It happens to be a norm. Just look at our Uni and government servant. How many are non-bumi? I'm not complaining saying all Bumi are racist. Our politician are. Even my malay colleagues also saying our current government system are berat sebelah.

Honestly, we don't have laws to protect ourselves on their racist remarks but only take care yourself. Options? Just leave.
I won't gamble my family future.
I know Ozzie is not the best country in the world but at least the law and union is significantly strong which you can get covered from your backside...haha
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but actually i think malaysia workers not bad as well. at least most of them received bonus every year
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but actually i think malaysia workers not bad as well. at least most of them received bonus every year
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If we exclude banking/oil & gas/insurance sector, i guess the majority is low.
We talk about how many months? 2 months is the most for very super workaholic staff which your boss sees you everyday and night.
Please correct me if i'm wrong. I think you've not working in malaysia before, are you?

Based on my findings, for fresh graduate in malaysia (with degree) must have at least RM3000/mth. Is it high? No. Talk about buying cars, pay bills, all basic items...etc. Must have target buying at least apartment within 10 years time.
We have to cater the inflation let say 5% every year. 10 years ago, i can get RM3 chicken rice but now RM5.50 in KL.
Minimum wages in Malaysia should be at RM1500 instead of RM900. Ask the politician to survive on that, i'll sit with him together.

I do pity on fresh graduate nowadays coz after they purchase car, no way for them to think about buying a property. What's going on with our country's economy??? Brain drain will definitely getting serious now. I'll bet in this 5 years time, there will be more graduates go overseas and guess what, you and my children will become maid or construction worker in indonesia...

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Jan 4 2013, 05:50 PM)
If we exclude banking/oil & gas/insurance sector, i guess the majority is low.
We talk about how many months? 2 months is the most for very super workaholic staff which your boss sees you everyday and night.
Please correct me if i'm wrong. I think you've not working in malaysia before, are you?

Based on my findings, for fresh graduate in malaysia (with degree) must have at least RM3000/mth. Is it high? No. Talk about buying cars, pay bills, all basic items...etc. Must have target buying at least apartment within 10 years time.
We have to cater the inflation let say 5% every year. 10 years ago, i can get RM3 chicken rice but now RM5.50 in KL.
Minimum wages in Malaysia should be at RM1500 instead of RM900. Ask the politician to survive on that, i'll sit with him together.

I do pity on fresh graduate nowadays coz after they purchase car, no way for them to think about buying a property. What's going on with our country's economy??? Brain drain will definitely getting serious now. I'll bet in this 5 years time, there will be more graduates go overseas and guess what, you and my children will become maid or construction worker in indonesia...
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i didn't work in malaysia before as in professional occupation but part time job in retail yes

i just say based on what i read in those bonus threads out here.

also,fresh graduate now not buying cheap car like perodua or proton. you can see fresh grad drive H&T everywhere in malaysia and that is the reason why they can't buy a property

EDIT:H&T = honda and toyota

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