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daylight_dancer
post Sep 2 2015, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(selvenz @ Sep 2 2015, 02:49 PM)
RM7 -8 k is bare minimum for Klang valley if a family of 3  simple home further out and public schools.

If you plan to live in Established Areas (NOT PRESTIGIOUS) minimum income required would be 10k++ cause housing is out of reach now our gov even admits that.

Malaysia will always be home, so some nostalgic feelings and way of life is expected we can compare this to Aus or anywhere else.

In fact if i was on EXPAT PACKAGE i would choose malaysia anytime over any other country.

No disrespect to my Bumi brothers but the current system does not benefit me or my family. Cause i have to pay for everything regardless. There is no merit. I suspect going forward it will only get worst and its only natural as population dynamics change.
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Exactly. My sister married an American, and somehow she is trying to convince him to move to Malaysia, and take an expat package. She 's lived in the US before, but is not keen on their lifestyle, esp the unpaid holidays part (labour law not like ours).
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post Sep 2 2015, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(gdryan @ Sep 2 2015, 07:17 AM)
I know my x-colleagues all doing part-time and only two finally get PhD.  I also tried and i quit. Ok, maybe I am the bottom 10%, count me out. Anyway, don't read me wrongly, I don't feel regret to take PhD and to quit. I am me because of all my succeeds and failures that is why I told him listen to his heart and do what he feels right to do.  thumbup.gif
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Also depends what stream you're working under- full teaching stream or Research and Training. Some people prefer just teaching, which means heavier hours. Some prefer a mix, which equals to less hours.

But yea I know some lazy ones, that I'm embarrassed to say fall under the same profession. When I say lazy, it means they dont come up with their own teaching materials- just continuously use the ones passed to them. And some have the most horrible command of English.

Fail.
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post Sep 2 2015, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(gdryan @ Sep 2 2015, 05:47 PM)
bro, only 2 of my friends have salary increment (i am really a lucky one and i guess because my starting salary is really low) and it happens in IT here. and Australia charges 10% GST and there is a discussion to lift it to 15%.  If you are in Australia, we are on same boat........ sad.gif  sad.gif

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There is nowhere in the world where life is easy anymore. The global economy is flaky, and we have to make do is whatever is available. Be thankful u have a job and employed.

The fact is that in Oz, even with GST, AUD 100 buys you a hell lot more than RM 100. Try grocery shopping with that amount in Msia and see what that gets u.

I would suggest that some ppl in Msia are either very rich, business people or up to their eyeballs in debt to be able to afford 90K cars or eat out all the time.

I would also think its very nice to imagine how nice is it to live in Msia again, but then things always look better in rose tinted glasses. The reality is much starker.

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post Sep 2 2015, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(selvenz @ Sep 2 2015, 01:30 PM)
If you have kids, migrating is the best option in terms of quality of life. Cost of Living vs Quality of Life = Its actually cheaper to migrate Do the math

Set your expectations right, be realistic, drop the ego, be humble things will be much easier when you migrate.
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Honest question, what's a realistic expectation? I want to increase my income but maintain or improve my quality of life if I decide to migrate, admittedly both are at comfortable levels now even by aussie standards. However everyone is implying that migrating means I'll have to work odd jobs or entry level jobs which doesn't attract me at all.
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post Sep 2 2015, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(tishaban @ Sep 2 2015, 03:03 PM)
Honest question, what's a realistic expectation? I want to increase my income but maintain or improve my quality of life if I decide to migrate, admittedly both are at comfortable levels now even by aussie standards. However everyone is implying that migrating means I'll have to work odd jobs or entry level jobs which doesn't attract me at all.
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If by aussie standards you are comfortable, i wouldn't migrate, obviously your pay exceeds whats the norm here and can only get better. Yes most likely migrating,that will happen odd jobs or entry level jobs , until you build a base, its like starting all over, everyone's situation and motivation to do this is different.

We all cant be bill gates or steve jobs




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post Sep 2 2015, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(selvenz @ Sep 2 2015, 06:12 PM)
If by aussie standards you are comfortable, i wouldn't migrate, obviously your pay exceeds whats the norm here and can only get better. Yes most likely migrating,that will happen odd jobs or entry level jobs , until you build a base, its like starting all over, everyone's situation and motivation to do this is different.

We all cant be bill gates or steve jobs
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Depends what your objectives are.
Work life balance?
Kids future?
Retirement planning?

Those who migrate shld realise that sacrifices need to be made. It is not an entirely win win situation for all.


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QUOTE(tishaban @ Sep 2 2015, 03:03 PM)
Honest question, what's a realistic expectation? I want to increase my income but maintain or improve my quality of life if I decide to migrate, admittedly both are at comfortable levels now even by aussie standards. However everyone is implying that migrating means I'll have to work odd jobs or entry level jobs which doesn't attract me at all.
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i duno whether the people who commenting about aussie lifestyle here have experience in aussie or not hmm.gif

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post Sep 2 2015, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Sep 2 2015, 02:52 PM)
That's what I'm saying- that 'who you know' situation is everywhere.
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and also "who you are".

Dont forget skin colour plays a HUGE ROLE as well. DAMMIT.
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post Sep 2 2015, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Sep 2 2015, 03:40 PM)
i duno whether the people  who commenting about aussie lifestyle here have experience in aussie or not hmm.gif
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Yes, I have been to Perth, Sydney and Melbourne over a reasonable amount of time.

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ Sep 2 2015, 03:22 PM)
Depends what your objectives are.
Work life balance?
Kids future?
Retirement planning?

Those who migrate shld realise that sacrifices need to be made. It is not an entirely win win situation for all.
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Understood. For me, my objectives as stated are clear ie. improve my income while maintaining or improving my quality of life. If sacrifices are to either my income or quality of life then I'm not willing to make that trade off.

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post Sep 2 2015, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(selvenz @ Sep 2 2015, 03:12 PM)
If by aussie standards you are comfortable, i wouldn't migrate, obviously your pay exceeds whats the norm here and can only get better. Yes most likely migrating,that will happen odd jobs or entry level jobs , until you build a base, its like starting all over, everyone's situation and motivation to do this is different.
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Thanks selvenz, that's a fair statement. I still have a few years left on my PR, will see how it goes over time.

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post Sep 2 2015, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(jianh @ Sep 2 2015, 04:17 PM)
and also "who you are".

Dont forget skin colour plays a HUGE ROLE as well. DAMMIT.
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I'm a minority, so do the math smile.gif


My name is apparently also confusing for some people, because I don't have the usual marker than most in my ethnic group have (clever parents). In OZ it was easy coz I knew exactly what to fill for surname & last name (thank you mum & dad!).

Also due to my colouring (skin), and the fact that I can only speak English & Bahasa malaysia, it becomes more confusing for some people. Sometimes this is really fun when I get people coming up to me to sell stuff, speaking in a language i don't understand. All I need to do is look confused & shake my head.
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post Sep 2 2015, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Sep 2 2015, 03:40 PM)
i duno whether the people  who commenting about aussie lifestyle here have experience in aussie or not hmm.gif
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I have a friend who had never been to OZ, applied for PR and now is there for holiday.

Holiday & living are very different things. I'm trying to tell her that, but she doesn't see it yet. What I don't get it, why spend almost 28k, put yourself in severe debt, and not even be sure if you want to go or not. Or how. It is worrying and so risky.

Told her even as a student, I was really lucky living with my parents' friend who were like an adoptive uncle & aunty. They are awesome and we still are very much in touch. Because of them I learnt many things and adapted to the Aussie lifestyle pretty quickly.

Then again, I can learn and adapt fast (even more so as an adult), and it'll be different for others.
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QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Sep 2 2015, 11:31 PM)
I have a friend who had never been to OZ, applied for PR and now is there for holiday.

Holiday & living are very different things. I'm trying to tell her that, but she doesn't see it yet. What I don't get it, why spend almost 28k, put yourself in severe debt, and not even be sure if you want to go or not. Or how. It is worrying and so risky.

Told her even as a student, I was really lucky living with my parents' friend who were like an adoptive uncle & aunty. They are awesome and we still are very much in touch. Because of them I learnt many things and adapted to the Aussie lifestyle pretty quickly.

Then again, I can learn and adapt fast (even more so as an adult), and it'll be different for others.
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Thats rings so true. Even ex students who come back as PR find it so hard, let alone one who has never truly lived locally in Oz. like u, i cringe at how much some ppl pay, only to come here, decide they cannot sacrifice ie rent a room instead of buying a house, lose their mid level job,have no maid, no cheap labour to help change light bulbs etc. then moan and whinge every day about how they want to turn back.
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QUOTE(jianh @ Sep 2 2015, 07:17 PM)
and also "who you are".

Dont forget skin colour plays a HUGE ROLE as well. DAMMIT.
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With respect, I disagree, at the mid level of course. Top management is a diff story. Walk into any major corporate in Oz, u willl see a diversity of races. CBA, ANZ, Deloiite, Telstra, St George. I think there is this perception that non whites are discriminated, but I think the case is that ppl are hired more on having similar roles in competing organisations or again, networking. I have worked with many ppl who have accents so bad I hardly understand, yet they are hired and remain there.
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post Sep 2 2015, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ Sep 2 2015, 09:31 PM)
With respect, I disagree, at the mid level of course. Top management is a diff story. Walk into any major corporate in Oz, u willl see a diversity of races. CBA, ANZ, Deloiite, Telstra, St George. I think there is this perception that non whites are discriminated, but I think the case is that ppl are hired more on having similar roles in competing organisations or again, networking. I have worked with many ppl who have accents so bad I hardly understand, yet they are hired and remain there.
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I think he meant in Malaysia. Not Oz. smile.gif
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QUOTE(shazam7 @ Sep 2 2015, 03:00 PM)
There is nowhere in the world where life is easy anymore. The global economy is flaky, and we have to make do is whatever is available. Be thankful u have a job and employed.

The fact is that in Oz, even with GST, AUD 100 buys you a hell lot more than RM 100. Try grocery shopping with that amount in Msia and see what that gets u.

I would suggest that some ppl in Msia are either very rich, business people or up to their eyeballs in debt to be able to afford 90K cars or eat out all the time.

I would also think its very nice to imagine how nice is it to live in Msia again, but then things always look better in rose tinted glasses. The reality is much starker.
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I agree, no doubt $100 can buy whole lots compare to RM100

but how about $100 compare to RM300? I mean I am pretty sure if my company sends me to KL and they will pay me aussie package (maybe even more as I don't think others are interested to relocate), will you take it? I will seriously consider it. Again, my only worry is my kid. If I don't have kids, my wife and me will go back without any thoughts. How about others? I am asking who are already settled in australia but not imagine Australia life style.
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post Sep 3 2015, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(gdryan @ Sep 3 2015, 10:17 AM)
I agree, no doubt $100 can buy whole lots compare to RM100

but how about $100 compare to RM300? I mean I am pretty sure if my company sends me to KL and they will pay me aussie package (maybe even more as I don't think others are interested to relocate), will you take it? I will seriously consider it. Again, my only worry is my kid. If I don't have kids, my wife and me will go back without any thoughts. How about others? I am asking who are already settled in australia but not imagine Australia life style.
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If its an expat package, u'll probably be able to live v well. But these are not easy to find anymore. For kids, there obviously be some disruption to their education. But put them in boarding house maybe? Good learning experience for them. Also for kids who have been raised in Oz since they are young, it may be hard for them to adjust.
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QUOTE(gdryan @ Sep 3 2015, 07:17 AM)
I agree, no doubt $100 can buy whole lots compare to RM100

but how about $100 compare to RM300? I mean I am pretty sure if my company sends me to KL and they will pay me aussie package (maybe even more as I don't think others are interested to relocate), will you take it? I will seriously consider it. Again, my only worry is my kid. If I don't have kids, my wife and me will go back without any thoughts. How about others? I am asking who are already settled in australia but not imagine Australia life style.
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If that package exist, i don't mind to take it. I got my kids too. If you're being given expatriate package, it's another story. The place once in live in Malaysia was full of expatriate. Neighbours are mainly europeans.
Few reasons:-

1) parents back home
2) the pay could sustain in par to Oz lifestyle
3) $$

I went back last summer, KL groceries just gone crazy! I hardly buy a simple T-shirt @ RM15! The quality is totally unacceptable. Walked thru pasar malam one round already RM50 gone.....just food and bought nothing.
If you get paid in Oz package, i think lifestyle in KL shd be great smile.gif

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ Sep 3 2015, 09:01 AM)
If its an expat package, u'll probably be able to live v well. But these are not easy to find anymore. For kids, there obviously be some disruption to their education. But put them in boarding house maybe? Good learning experience for them. Also for kids who have been raised in Oz since they are young, it may be hard for them to adjust.
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Something need to consider! My kids can't speak a single malay word...

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