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 Working in Australia, Experiences working in Australia.

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post Aug 18 2015, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ Aug 18 2015, 11:10 AM)
16.80 min wage is a bit low. Not difficult to get 20 p/h.

20x38 = 760 (gross), 661 (after tax)

Er...800 a month is a bit low for room rental. Maybe for kampung, but not for capital cities.

My calculation for simple living for a single person renting a room.
P/week:

Rent - 200 (inc. wifi, utilities)
Makan (groceries) - 50
Transport - 30
Mobile phone - 20
All up = 300 p/week
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Bro... if you don't have PR, the new tax rate for foreign worker is about 32.5/1 dollar. Doesn't matter what type of visa you are holding (as long as legal).
https://www.ato.gov.au/Rates/Individual-inc...r-years/?page=2

redo your calculation.

if you plan to earn pocket money, cash...be prepare to get less than the minimum wage (depends on what you are doing). For example, there are heaps of Chinese willing to work for 8-10 dollar/hr in Chinese Restaurant.

Good luck.

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post Aug 24 2015, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(Soony @ Aug 18 2015, 06:00 PM)
A lot of people misunderstood between PR/non PR and Paying Tax as resident/Paying tax as Foreigner.

If you are a student, which is not a PR working in Australia for the whole year, you are considered as paying tax as resident. No matter if you are a TR, as long as you work in Australia for a certain amount of period, you are considered as paying tas as a resident. If this makes sense to the people out in the forum.

I, myself is under 457 which is non PR, so I am pretty much able to confirm the above.
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double check your info. Tony's already changed it in last yr budget. All TR, 457, work holiday visa, student will have to pay tax from their very first dollar earned. they do not have 18k tax exempted wage.

It will start from July 2016, so you can either apply your PR before it is started or .....good luck.
http://neoskosmos.com/news/en/Migrants-beware
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post Sep 1 2015, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(normaron @ Aug 25 2015, 10:17 AM)
Hi guys, its me again smile.gif ,

Now I am dilemma of with some new options, so the best is to hear some comments/advise from people here.

1. Career break 1
- Apply Master by research in Australia University (RMIT)(2 years), then try to look for all available scholarships. I am happy even if I can get half scholarships. I might have bit of confidence because I have working experience and awarded first class for my previous degree. Although I not quite sure whether it helps or not or I am over confidence  sweat.gif 

Pros: Able to step in Australia faster; with Research Master, Me & my partner can get full time working rights in Australia and we can use this 2 years to build network and familiarize with the environment and also work environment. It will be great if I can become an academic staff in the university in future. Maybe at the same time apply for 190 as well if I can get scholarships. I will try to do PT jobs while my partner will try to find FT/PT jobs to support most of our living expenses there. I have a friend that can rent me his room with good price in city center so I can just walk to the campus for my study.

Cons: Expensive if I couldn't get scholarships. $50K AUD for 2 years tuition fees alone.

2. Career break 2
- Apply Master by research in Malaysia(2 years) ( I have high chances of getting a graduate research assistant position ) means free to study while getting some allowances. But still need to find some part-time job to cover living expenses & mortgage. 

Pros: Achieve Master Degree in full scholarships & easier. Might get some extra experience as a tutor, small steps to achieve my trainer -> tutor -> lecturer career

Cons: Allowance given is half of my current salary and no epf, socso & no BONUS. Need to find freelance/part time job. Not much of progress to enable me to settle in Australian environment easier. (What I mean is, 2 years later, will I able to find job easier? ) As I only have 1 extra Master Degree in my hand compare to now.

My ultimate goal is to get PR in Australia! I am 28 this year. 

Please bombard me with your comments & advice  smile.gif
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Hi mate, before you read my below suggestion, remember it is my, very personal suggestion, same as others'. Your life is yours, so listen to your heart and do what you want to do.

Option 1 is wasting money. You are too rich, too many greenback to burn. What kind of benefit you are looking for by burning tens of thousands AU dollars. Employers won't care your master, in fact, you will receive “unfortunately, you are over qualified." when you apply jobs.

Option 2 sux. do you know how much a lecturer can earn? 4-5k ave (wif some sorts of exp, fresh graduates, even with master degree will not earn that much). Nowadays, you need to get a PhD to be a lecturer. which means another 3-4 years studies at least. don't tell me part time phd, this is extremely difficult. probably one of ten can finally get their Dr. title at the end. If you are clever guy, in 2+4 yrs time, you can easily be a manager and earn double compare to a collage lecturer.

You are 28, you are young but not many years to waste, better find a better path. just my view, Aus is not a good place for you.

1. living expense very high, higher than msia;
2. job opportunities less than msia, both countries are similar ( economic is heavily depending on commodity price and both has lots difficulties to face); But at least in Malaysia, unemployment rate is far more better than Australia;
3. u think about studies, means you want an office work. you better do not come to Aus. You will get more chances in Asian. if you just wan more money, doesn't matter what to do, pick fruits, chef, hairdresser, construction site, electrician, plumber, etc. Aus is a better place.


Of course, if you lucky enough, like some other members here, find a permanent full time job. earn at least 50k/yr. you will love Aus. what I am talking about is percentage. here are two real examples:

1. master degree (UK), from english educated background, 1 yr AU experience and was a manager in KL. Applying two years jobs with no offer (any office position, i met him last month and he was applying office admin position). Luckily his family is rich;

2. i play regular sport game every sat with group of asian (chinese, malaysian, hongki.....), at least 50% dont have full time job and consider go back their country.

Here is my advice to you:

1. economic is bad at the moment, don't waste your money, find some job and bring back home bacon!
2. go some places with less affect of commodity such as Singapore.

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post Sep 2 2015, 07:17 AM

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QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Sep 1 2015, 05:19 PM)
Some very valid points there.

I don't agree with your higher education statements, though. Probably because it's my own profession you're talking about. I do agree that his original idea 1, is not the best.
You are correct. My apologies, i should take a consideration into "which field you are in". Anyway, my field is IT and it is not very good (also not too bad as at the moment, I still have a job with not too bad pay.)


Private universities do hire those without a PHD. I am one such. I only just completed my Masters, and I have 6 years of experience in total of working experience (lecturer). It is not an easy job, but the rewards are there. The hours are nice (not 9-6), and the pay is decent (better hours and money than working in the creative field, I can promise you that). Depending on the institution you work for, you'll get to attend conferences/workshops, and these are a really good way of meeting like minded individuals.

I was a lecturer too  brows.gif  I was too enjoying the flexible working hours. I don't know how much you earn and I dont know "the current market" as I quit my job a few yrs ago. But all I can say is if you are hardworking (come on, you know some lecturers are lazy butts and they know nothing and just "blow water" and they have no research at all, I am not talking about that group of ppl. I am saying if you love teaching, you really spend your time preparing teaching materials (and you update them regularly as in IT, it changes every year, every month), participant research activities, spend quality time with your students, you won't be too relax. If you spend the same amount of time in industry, again, in my case, IT, you will have higher pay and a brighter opportunity. ) again, this is my personal view and I can see lots of my friends doing better than me and I can also see I am doing better than "old me" if I am still working in the same private univ. as a lecturer.


I know people who are ding their PHD part-time. They're full time academic staff, so situations do vary. Don't be so quick to say 'forget it about it'. I also did my Masters (half by research) part-time. It was NOT easy but the end feeling IS SO WORTH IT.
Otherwise  I think you've offered the young man some advice he might want to consider listening to.
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I know my x-colleagues all doing part-time and only two finally get PhD. I also tried and i quit. Ok, maybe I am the bottom 10%, count me out. Anyway, don't read me wrongly, I don't feel regret to take PhD and to quit. I am me because of all my succeeds and failures that is why I told him listen to his heart and do what he feels right to do. thumbup.gif
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post Sep 2 2015, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Sep 1 2015, 08:09 PM)
Yea, it depends. It's all about the 'who-you-know'. In Malaysia. Seriously. I got my current job not via a job advert, but because I know someone who works in the company and she happened to pass my CV to the person who looking for a candidate with my qualifications. Got lucky lah.

Job market is hard for fresh grads, that is for sure.
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same as in aus.

ppl think nurse can get job easily here? they are wrong.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-24/thou...nd-work/5475320

ppl think law graduates will surely get a job? they are wrong.
http://www.lawyersweekly.com.au/news/16023...its-record-high

how about other field
http://unemploymentunion.com.au/2015/05/08...t-20-year-high/

not mentioning, if you were not born in aussie with "strong accent", no "local experience", you are out. sad.gif sad.gif economic is really bad at the moment here. Maybe Sydney or Melb are better.
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post Sep 2 2015, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(normaron @ Sep 2 2015, 09:44 AM)
Hi mate, thanks for your advise. Option 1 and 2 are just some options that I can look into & take consideration, I am still open to all possibilities, hence all of your opinions is welcomed  smile.gif

I am not looking to earn big money in Australia. I am just looking for a comfortable and peaceful life. I am not rich, I crossed South China Sea from Sabah to Kuala Lumpur to study and work. I am lucky enough to have a small car and a house after work and save. But I dont feel this is the place I wanted to stay and I wish to look for a better place. After visited Australia, I think the lifestyle is suitable for me and I wish to at least try to live there for a period of time. So that is why I am in this forum asking for advice and opinions.

Singapore's overall environment is stress, it is like KL but better $$ and security.
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you are welcome. I am just sharing what I know. here in Australia, life is stress too. Different type of stress. here are some examples:

1. car is cheap here but maintenance is very expensive. normal logbook service will cost you anywhere between 250 - 800 (for japanese cars). My car had some problem last month, indicators, lights, windows doesn't function well and finally it was just a fuse issue (but they have to send my car to an electrician to test) and plus a regular maintenance it costs me 1000+ us dollar. I know you probably think i get cheated, but think about it, if you just come to australia do u think u have better network than mine? if I was in KL, i can just give my car to my inlaw's friend and they probably won't charge me anything for changing a fuse.

If you go to a new place, you throw all your networks, and build something new.

2. families, relatives, friends, they are priceless. We feel stress sometimes, we are living a too peaceful place, we don't get any conflicts with others. because we just don't have "others" to conflict with. just working, eating, sleeping, expecting the next journey back msia. sob sob sob.

3. again, living expenses.
all bills, insurances, child care will cost you 100 dollar a day. a one bed room will cost you 120 dollar a week (hard to find any decent place with this price, i will say at least 180-200/wk). your money will either give to bank/landlord and childcare.

i am not whinging, as I am lucky enough to have a very stable job. But I never stop thinking to go back. The only benefit in australia is THIS IS DEFINITELY A BETTER PLACE TO RISE A CHILD! No doubt about it.
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post Sep 2 2015, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ Sep 2 2015, 01:09 PM)
1. The pricing is relative to the labour cost. Also, for new cars, there's fixed price servicing. For cars out of warranty, there's Kmart/Ultratune or the local mechanic. Or simply DIY.
2. We are leaving families, relatives, friends behind physically, but consider u have FB, Skype, Whatsapp to keep in touch. It is $200 to fly back. Compare this to our ancestors, who have left their homeland forever, some never to return.
3. Living expenses: I really dont know why ppl think Msia is cheaper. It's not. EVERYTHING is expensive compared to income earned. A new house in Klang Valley is the same price, unit for unit of currency, as say, Melb or Syd. Food, groceries are exorbitantly expensive, even more so if u want to eat healthy. Healthcare, unless u use the gov hospitals, is astronomically expensive - just ask around - how much for a checkup at the poliklinik,  Pantai/Gleneagles etc. Education - unless u want to leave yr kids in the 'world class' public education system, its a few K in fees every month.
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Medical is another sux point. (I don't mean malaysia is good but australia is also sux.)

In Malaysia, you pay RM200-300/mth (RM4000) medical insurance, it will cover everything (include mountain and sea) and you do not need to pay "out of pocket" money. In Australia, I pay almost 5k aussie dollar a year (for whole family, medibank) and I still need to pay quite large amount of out of pocket money (not even include the 500 access fee). Yes, I know, I got "free" two pairs glasses. Not mentioning we are paying 2% of medicare levy and it might increase in future.

Put it in this way, if I can find a 7-8k RM job and if I have no kids, i will go back KL (which 6/7 yrs ago when i left i was earning 5k+, i think if I am still in malaysia i should have no problem to earn 7-8k) or maybe I am too optimistic.

maybe i should give you a good example, i know a malaysian who works an unlicensed electrician, all simple jobs such as include ceiling fans, lights, etc. How much he can earn in KL? I don't know but here he told me 5-7k no prob at all, all cash no need to pay tax rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif . He is pretty enjoy staying in oz and no plan to go back msia.
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post Sep 2 2015, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ Sep 2 2015, 02:35 PM)
- I can't comment on the Malaysian medical insurance, except from hearsay that there is a cap on claims - so if u need expensive treatments, the insurance cannot cover it.
- One thing I can say, is that public health care is not cheap also. RM5K, 10K - that seems to be normal for a lot of procedures. Parents paid RM10K for a non major op in a public hospital.
- In Oz though, while expensive, the positive would be the private hospital excess. Pay only $500 per year, and insurance covers the rest. Of course, if u can wait, u can always go on the public hospital waitlist.
- If u r single, then income is not a major issue. However bear in mind that after GST, prices have leaped 20% in the past year. So 7-8K is really not a lot...
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bro, only 2 of my friends have salary increment (i am really a lucky one and i guess because my starting salary is really low) and it happens in IT here. and Australia charges 10% GST and there is a discussion to lift it to 15%. If you are in Australia, we are on same boat........ sad.gif sad.gif

yes, i have heard a lot 7-8k is really not a lot, 10k a month just enough, but still i see ppl earning less and eat outside, restaurant like paparich always full house. most of my friends bought new car (imported car, like vios, which i cannot afford even i earning oz dollars. I mean a RM90-100k ringgit car, I am drive second hand japanese car only cost RM30k.) who can tell me where they get money and how can you say 7-8k not a lot? on the other hand, I have to cut my entertainments, take lunch, etc. which i had never done in KL.
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post Sep 3 2015, 07:17 AM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ Sep 2 2015, 03:00 PM)
There is nowhere in the world where life is easy anymore. The global economy is flaky, and we have to make do is whatever is available. Be thankful u have a job and employed.

The fact is that in Oz, even with GST, AUD 100 buys you a hell lot more than RM 100. Try grocery shopping with that amount in Msia and see what that gets u.

I would suggest that some ppl in Msia are either very rich, business people or up to their eyeballs in debt to be able to afford 90K cars or eat out all the time.

I would also think its very nice to imagine how nice is it to live in Msia again, but then things always look better in rose tinted glasses. The reality is much starker.
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I agree, no doubt $100 can buy whole lots compare to RM100

but how about $100 compare to RM300? I mean I am pretty sure if my company sends me to KL and they will pay me aussie package (maybe even more as I don't think others are interested to relocate), will you take it? I will seriously consider it. Again, my only worry is my kid. If I don't have kids, my wife and me will go back without any thoughts. How about others? I am asking who are already settled in australia but not imagine Australia life style.

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