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normaron
post Aug 25 2015, 10:17 AM

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Hi guys, its me again smile.gif ,

Now I am dilemma of with some new options, so the best is to hear some comments/advise from people here.

1. Career break 1
- Apply Master by research in Australia University (RMIT)(2 years), then try to look for all available scholarships. I am happy even if I can get half scholarships. I might have bit of confidence because I have working experience and awarded first class for my previous degree. Although I not quite sure whether it helps or not or I am over confidence sweat.gif

Pros: Able to step in Australia faster; with Research Master, Me & my partner can get full time working rights in Australia and we can use this 2 years to build network and familiarize with the environment and also work environment. It will be great if I can become an academic staff in the university in future. Maybe at the same time apply for 190 as well if I can get scholarships. I will try to do PT jobs while my partner will try to find FT/PT jobs to support most of our living expenses there. I have a friend that can rent me his room with good price in city center so I can just walk to the campus for my study.

Cons: Expensive if I couldn't get scholarships. $50K AUD for 2 years tuition fees alone.

2. Career break 2
- Apply Master by research in Malaysia(2 years) ( I have high chances of getting a graduate research assistant position ) means free to study while getting some allowances. But still need to find some part-time job to cover living expenses & mortgage.

Pros: Achieve Master Degree in full scholarships & easier. Might get some extra experience as a tutor, small steps to achieve my trainer -> tutor -> lecturer career

Cons: Allowance given is half of my current salary and no epf, socso & no BONUS. Need to find freelance/part time job. Not much of progress to enable me to settle in Australian environment easier. (What I mean is, 2 years later, will I able to find job easier? ) As I only have 1 extra Master Degree in my hand compare to now.

My ultimate goal is to get PR in Australia! I am 28 this year.

Please bombard me with your comments & advice smile.gif

This post has been edited by normaron: Aug 25 2015, 10:18 AM
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post Aug 25 2015, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(normaron @ Aug 25 2015, 10:17 AM)
What I mean is, 2 years later, will I able to find job easier?
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One can speculate and anticipate, but nobody in this world will be able to give you a definite answer.
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post Aug 25 2015, 10:43 AM

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Normaron ,may i know whats your profession ?

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post Aug 25 2015, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(jianh @ Aug 25 2015, 10:36 AM)
One can speculate and anticipate, but nobody in this world will be able to give you a definite answer.
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Yes, I agree.


QUOTE(Progressive @ Aug 25 2015, 10:43 AM)
Normaron ,may i know whats your profession ?
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I am a multimedia designer doing video editing, motion graphics and photography as well. Know basics of HTML & CSS.

This post has been edited by normaron: Aug 25 2015, 03:37 PM
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post Aug 25 2015, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(jianh @ Aug 25 2015, 06:40 AM)
Payslips + BE Forms + reference letter + employer offer letter

Just submitted mine a few months back.
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don't remember if I submitted my offer letter or not, lol. But yea that's pretty much it.
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post Aug 25 2015, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(normaron @ Aug 25 2015, 10:17 AM)
1. Career break 1
- Apply Master by research in Australia University (RMIT)

Please bombard me with your comments & advice  smile.gif
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Are you set in going to Australia only? If you're willing to do an advanced degree (Masters/PhD) and your field is STEM then the US has a lot of opportunities with potential for PR as well.

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post Aug 25 2015, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(tishaban @ Aug 25 2015, 08:35 PM)
Are you set in going to Australia only? If you're willing to do an advanced degree (Masters/PhD) and your field is STEM then the US has a lot of opportunities with potential for PR as well.
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My first priority is Australia then New Zealand & UK. Unfortunately my field in not in STEM, thanks for info tho.

This post has been edited by normaron: Aug 25 2015, 10:34 PM
shazam7
post Aug 26 2015, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(normaron @ Aug 25 2015, 01:17 PM)

1. Career break 1

Pros: Able to step in Australia faster; with Research Master, Me & my partner can get full time working rights in Australia and we can use this 2 years to build network and familiarize with the environment and also work environment. It will be great if I can become an academic staff in the university in future. Maybe at the same time apply for 190 as well if I can get scholarships. I will try to do PT jobs while my partner will try to find FT/PT jobs to support most of our living expenses there. I have a friend that can rent me his room with good price in city center so I can just walk to the campus for my study.

Cons: Expensive if I couldn't get scholarships. $50K AUD for 2 years tuition fees alone.

Cons: What I mean is, 2 years later, will I able to find job easier? ) As I only have 1 extra Master Degree in my hand compare to now.

My ultimate goal is to get PR in Australia! I am 28 this year. 

Please bombard me with your comments & advice  smile.gif
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As u know, there are too many grads and not enough jobs. IMO it is a waste of $ to spend so much on any uni degrees/masters etc, with no guarantee of any return (except maybe to satisfy your learning 'wants'). Would suggest short term certs/diplomas if a Aust certification is required.

Job market will continually shrink in many areas, what with the Chinese economy in slowdown, inc prevalence of outsourcing and 457 visas. As mentioned there are more opportunities in aged care, child care and trades. Accounting, engineering, IT degrees are practically worthless. Graphic design - so many in the marketplace and also outsourced via the web.





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post Aug 26 2015, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 25 2015, 10:47 AM)
U need to get a testimonial letter from ur previous employer with the letter heads and company stamp.
Attached together with ur previous EA form & employment letter.
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Thanks for the info. I should be able to obtain a testimonial letter from my previous employer.

How about the documents to support my current job status? This is because the 3 years I total up include the current job that I have been working for more than a year.

Cheers
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post Aug 26 2015, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ Aug 26 2015, 08:18 AM)
As u know, there are too many grads and not enough jobs. IMO it is a waste of $ to spend so much on any uni degrees/masters etc, with no guarantee of any return (except maybe to satisfy your learning 'wants'). Would suggest short term certs/diplomas if a Aust certification is required.

Job market will continually shrink in many areas, what with the Chinese economy in slowdown, inc prevalence of outsourcing and 457 visas. As mentioned there are more opportunities in aged care, child care and trades. Accounting, engineering, IT degrees are practically worthless. Graphic design - so many in the marketplace and also outsourced via the web.
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Some view it as personal achievement. A lot of my friends do that. Good for them.
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post Aug 26 2015, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(Kwang Hui @ Aug 26 2015, 09:05 AM)
Thanks for the info. I should be able to obtain a testimonial letter from my previous employer.

How about the documents to support my current job status?  This is because the 3 years I total up include the current job that I have been working for more than a year.

Cheers
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Attach those as well, just throw watever $hit to them. They'll assess it cool2.gif
Kwang Hui
post Aug 26 2015, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 26 2015, 10:37 AM)
Attach those as well, just throw watever $hit to them. They'll assess it cool2.gif
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Hahaha. Since I have no testimonial letter for current job, will prepare my current job's offer letter and salary slips for every month.
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post Aug 26 2015, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(normaron @ Aug 25 2015, 10:17 AM)
Hi guys, its me again smile.gif ,

Now I am dilemma of with some new options, so the best is to hear some comments/advise from people here.

1. Career break 1
- Apply Master by research in Australia University (RMIT)(2 years), then try to look for all available scholarships. I am happy even if I can get half scholarships. I might have bit of confidence because I have working experience and awarded first class for my previous degree. Although I not quite sure whether it helps or not or I am over confidence  sweat.gif 

Pros: Able to step in Australia faster; with Research Master, Me & my partner can get full time working rights in Australia and we can use this 2 years to build network and familiarize with the environment and also work environment. It will be great if I can become an academic staff in the university in future. Maybe at the same time apply for 190 as well if I can get scholarships. I will try to do PT jobs while my partner will try to find FT/PT jobs to support most of our living expenses there. I have a friend that can rent me his room with good price in city center so I can just walk to the campus for my study.

Cons: Expensive if I couldn't get scholarships. $50K AUD for 2 years tuition fees alone.

2. Career break 2
- Apply Master by research in Malaysia(2 years) ( I have high chances of getting a graduate research assistant position ) means free to study while getting some allowances. But still need to find some part-time job to cover living expenses & mortgage. 

Pros: Achieve Master Degree in full scholarships & easier. Might get some extra experience as a tutor, small steps to achieve my trainer -> tutor -> lecturer career

Cons: Allowance given is half of my current salary and no epf, socso & no BONUS. Need to find freelance/part time job. Not much of progress to enable me to settle in Australian environment easier. (What I mean is, 2 years later, will I able to find job easier? ) As I only have 1 extra Master Degree in my hand compare to now.

My ultimate goal is to get PR in Australia! I am 28 this year. 



Please bombard me with your comments & advice  smile.gif
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So ultimate goal is not to have a Masters in the end? If it is to complete a Master by research, there is a scheme called 'Research Training Scheme', Where The Aussie government pays your tuition fees for the entire duration of your study. Requirements: Aussie PR/ citizen and MUST complete your course. Which means your school fees is FREE.


Have got yourself assessed for a 190/189 visa?

My main reason for applying for PR is to do a PHD in the end, and some other stuff la (money, and such smile.gif )
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post Aug 26 2015, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ Aug 26 2015, 08:18 AM)
As u know, there are too many grads and not enough jobs. IMO it is a waste of $ to spend so much on any uni degrees/masters etc, with no guarantee of any return (except maybe to satisfy your learning 'wants'). Would suggest short term certs/diplomas if a Aust certification is required.

Job market will continually shrink in many areas, what with the Chinese economy in slowdown, inc prevalence of outsourcing and 457 visas. As mentioned there are more opportunities in aged care, child care and trades. Accounting, engineering, IT degrees are practically worthless. Graphic design - so many in the marketplace and also outsourced via the web.
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After doing my undergrad, I was quite malas to go back to school. Then I decide to join the academic line, so no choice la. HAD to do a postgraduate degree. Slog, travel, work all at the same time. For two years. What an experience.

I suppose in my case because I'm in education, I NEED a postgrad qualification. Plus I did it at a local uni, so it was cheap lah. EPF a/c 2 can kaotim the whole thing. smile.gif

This post has been edited by daylight_dancer: Aug 26 2015, 10:34 AM
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post Aug 26 2015, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(normaron @ Aug 25 2015, 10:46 AM)
Yes, I agree.
I am a multimedia designer doing video editing, motion graphics and photography as well. Know basics of HTML & CSS.
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Whoops just saw your occupation. Forgot you were a designer.

Anyway if this is the case, instead of doing a Masters in design, work a few years more. Change your profession. I did a Masters, only because I needed it to job hop to a better company (education line).
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post Aug 26 2015, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ Aug 26 2015, 08:18 AM)
As u know, there are too many grads and not enough jobs. IMO it is a waste of $ to spend so much on any uni degrees/masters etc, with no guarantee of any return (except maybe to satisfy your learning 'wants'). Would suggest short term certs/diplomas if a Aust certification is required.

Job market will continually shrink in many areas, what with the Chinese economy in slowdown, inc prevalence of outsourcing and 457 visas. As mentioned there are more opportunities in aged care, child care and trades. Accounting, engineering, IT degrees are practically worthless. Graphic design - so many in the marketplace and also outsourced via the web.
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Hi, there are few reasons why I come out with the options to pursue Master.

- Change of career path, I want to become a trainer/tutor/lecturer in the future. And most of these jobs required Master qualification in education line.
- With Postgraduate Research Sector visa (subclass 574), Me & my partner can work full time. Hence enable us to come here to find job easier, but of course I still need to focus on my study, but will try to find short term project based job if they prefer outsourcing projects. If my partner can get a full time job and get sponsored by employer in future for 457 visa etc... that will be ideal. But if really cannot find any jobs at all over there, my partner will look into taking short term course in child care.. Able to land there first and get first hand view/experience the whole situation at Australia is important I think, and I want to get into OZ with the best option I can.
- But of course $$$ will always be a big consideration, hence I mentioned applying scholarships is crucial part of my application. Else, I will sell one of my property here to support the fees.



daylight_dancer what do you think?

This post has been edited by normaron: Aug 26 2015, 10:39 AM
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QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Aug 26 2015, 10:31 AM)
So ultimate goal is not to have a Masters in the end? If it is to complete a Master by research, there is a scheme called 'Research Training Scheme', Where The Aussie government pays your tuition fees for the entire duration of your study. Requirements: Aussie PR/ citizen and MUST complete your course. Which means your school fees is FREE.
Have got yourself assessed for a 190/189 visa?

My main reason for applying for PR is to do a PHD in the end, and some other stuff la (money, and such  smile.gif )
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Yes, get assessed from 3 agents. Apply 190 and wait until there is opening from any states. But I don't like to just sit there and wait for 1 or 2 years. I prefer to take more actions such as pursuing a Master degree etc...


QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Aug 26 2015, 10:33 AM)
After doing my undergrad, I was quite malas to go back to school. Then I decide to join the academic line, so no choice la. HAD to do a postgraduate degree. Slog, travel, work all at the same time. For two years. What an experience.

I suppose in my case because I'm in education, I NEED a postgrad qualification. Plus I did it at a local uni, so it was cheap lah. EPF a/c 2 can kaotim the whole thing. smile.gif
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QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Aug 26 2015, 10:36 AM)
Whoops just saw your occupation. Forgot you were a designer.

Anyway if this is the case, instead of doing a Masters in design, work a few years more. Change your profession. I did a Masters, only because I needed it to job hop to a better company (education line).
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Oh ya, still can get some funds from EPF acc2... laugh.gif Entering education line is one of my target.
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post Aug 26 2015, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(normaron @ Aug 26 2015, 10:47 AM)
Yes, get assessed from 3 agents. Apply 190 and wait until there is opening from any states. But I don't like to just sit there and wait for 1 or 2 years. I prefer to take more actions such as pursuing a Master degree etc...
Oh ya, still can get some funds from EPF acc2...  laugh.gif  Entering education line is one of my target.
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Okay, I suggest that you switch industries now. Get at least a year or two in the education line. You get the most points if you're between 28-32, if I'm not wrong, for age. I know 32 is the cut off la for the highest points.

Usually SA or NT will have Vocational Teachers on their lists of SOs. Invite issued 10 days after my EOI was put in.
Don't depend on your partner finding a job over there without a PR as employers are not keen on sponsoring you unless your skill set is something they absolutely cannot get anyone locally that has it.

The child care course option is a little better.

Designers, unfortunately are not a hot commodity right now.

Do you masters here. Save the money for your PR. Masters here in Edu is alright (mine isn't), and there are many good unis that offer it here. It's ofcourse easier if you're familiar with pedagogy & curriculum structures and such, but not a big deal, can be learnt, so no worries. EPF a/c 2- course must be recognised by MOHE. Usually if it's a local public uni, def no issues. Private unis most have no issues, but check to be safe.

Sad reality is scholarships for overseas studies for postgrads are becoming more and more scarce. Scholarship bodies tend to favour the sciences, engineering and sometimes communication fields more. They do have the Endeavour scholarship, done by the Aussie gov, but after you finish your studies you MUST come back to your home country. That is one of their clauses.

To teach as a vocational teacher in Aus, later on you'll also have to do a Certificate IV in Training & Assessment. That one later la, can be done fast.

This post has been edited by daylight_dancer: Aug 26 2015, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 25 2015, 10:47 AM)
U need to get a testimonial letter from ur previous employer with the letter heads and company stamp.
Attached together with ur previous EA form & employment letter.
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A year before I graduated in Dec 2012, I had interned in a construction company for 3 months in a full-time job that is related to the major that I had graduated from.

Thus, does an internship stint count as a working experience? Pls advice


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QUOTE(Kwang Hui @ Aug 26 2015, 04:57 PM)
A year before I graduated in Dec 2012, I had interned in a construction company for 3 months in a full-time job that is related to the major that I had graduated from.

Thus, does an internship stint count as a working experience? Pls advice
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it must be permanent with minimum hours of working time per week. just check the requirement from the assessment board

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