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 Working in Australia, Experiences working in Australia.

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alwayshappy
post May 14 2015, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(azrb.com @ May 13 2015, 10:53 PM)
I have my experience and achievements.
What do you suggest then?
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Experience and achievements in which area?
As mentioned before, most employers consider local Aussie experience only.

For instance, if you have more than 10 years of banking experience in Malaysia but have never worked in Australia, and you apply for an experienced hired position in an Australian bank, chances are you will NOT be considered at all, even for interview.


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post May 14 2015, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(alwayshappy @ May 14 2015, 03:21 AM)
As mentioned before, most employers consider local Aussie experience only.

For instance, if you have more than 10 years of banking experience in Malaysia but have never worked in Australia, and you apply for an experienced hired position in an Australian bank, chances are you will NOT be considered at all, even for interview.
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So very true. Many middle managers in M'sia come here, expecting the same position, perks etc. Well, only in very specific situations (secondment, relocation etc). Otherwise u probably have a better chance of getting a job stacking shelves at Woolies or other low end entry level jobs.

Most ppl make the mistake anyway of migrating once they have est. their career in M'sia. Start young n build career here instead...otherwise prepared to blow away years of experience.
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post May 14 2015, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ May 14 2015, 07:59 AM)
So very true. Many middle managers in M'sia come here, expecting the same position, perks etc. Well, only in very specific situations (secondment, relocation etc). Otherwise u probably have a better chance of getting a job stacking shelves at Woolies or other low end entry level jobs.

Most ppl make the mistake anyway of migrating once they have est. their career in M'sia. Start young n build career here instead...otherwise prepared to blow away years of experience.
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I guess this is the biggest issue with migrating to Australia. I've worked in the Netherlands and the US where they actually do take into account previous experience and transferable skills even from Malaysia. Australia is pretty backward in this aspect.

The other option is to of course go for the unadvertised jobs, but this does take more time.


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post May 14 2015, 10:43 AM

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Ironic a buddy just landed in melb less than two weeks and already found a job in his field . Network Security specialist. Albeit at a junior level considering he has 10 years solid experience but the fact he still found a job so quick.
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post May 14 2015, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(selvenz @ May 14 2015, 01:43 PM)
Ironic a buddy just landed in melb less than two weeks and already found a job in his field . Network Security specialist. Albeit at a junior level considering he has 10 years solid experience but the fact he still found a job so quick.
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I am speaking in general. Of course there will be cases such as I just landed got offered a job type scenarios, but in GENERAL most people, esp those in MID LEVEL management find it hard to have their experience recognised.


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QUOTE(selvenz @ May 14 2015, 10:43 AM)
Ironic a buddy just landed in melb less than two weeks and already found a job in his field . Network Security specialist. Albeit at a junior level considering he has 10 years solid experience but the fact he still found a job so quick.
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10 years of exp got a junior level job that require 3-5 years of exp only is not that hard i assume?

have u seen a business analyst with many years of exp end up with helpdesk position? i do and he was my ex-colleague.
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post May 14 2015, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(selvenz @ May 14 2015, 10:43 AM)
Ironic a buddy just landed in melb less than two weeks and already found a job in his field . Network Security specialist. Albeit at a junior level considering he has 10 years solid experience but the fact he still found a job so quick.
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As you can see, his experience got heavily discounted. With 10 years of experience, he could be at the middle management in Asian countries.

If someone doesn't find to start from scratch, it is more likely to land on a job. However thinking about it, if you were in your 30s with 10 years of experience, do you mind starting all over again at a junior position?
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post May 14 2015, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(selvenz @ May 14 2015, 10:43 AM)
Ironic a buddy just landed in melb less than two weeks and already found a job in his field . Network Security specialist. Albeit at a junior level considering he has 10 years solid experience but the fact he still found a job so quick.
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post May 14 2015, 06:50 PM

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i think most need to get out of the illusion that you are going to retain your current position and status post migration.

Instead take it as an opportunity for new beginings a chance to retool, relearn, enjoy life...not everyone is migrating with a vision of being the next bill gates or zukerberg,

for me a good life for my kids is the most important, education that is based on current standards is ranked 14 in the world vs our 52 or is it 62 who knows nowadays.

i spend circa 40k a year to keep my kid in international school, not that I'm rich but wtf! i shouldn't be doing this cause i pay taxes and my kids deserve a better environment and school system. why the f should i pay for international school ? cause reality is the current school system is just crap.

anyways if you're single i guess its a lot to think about if the decision to migrate is right.

but for me if i calculate the cost of education till uni for my kid, quality of their life its cheaper to migrate ... the risk for me is worth it...

to each its own, no one can say migrating is right, neither can we advice others to make the decision. its something personal , carpe diem folks


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post May 15 2015, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(selvenz @ May 14 2015, 09:50 PM)
i think most need to get out of the illusion that you are going to retain your current position and status post migration.

anyways if you're single i guess its a lot to think about if the decision to migrate is right.

to each its own, no one can say migrating is right, neither can we advice others to make the decision. its something personal , carpe diem folks
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Coming in as single, no worries about mobility. Can follow the job, move cities easily...low expenses, just a room rental is sufficient....can save heaps of AUD to buy property...

Unfortunately those who make the jump after having kids find it the most difficult. Having to rent/buy a place big enough, find a job, feed and school the kids etc. can be extremely stressful.

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post May 15 2015, 01:42 PM

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Before calling Australia backward. Does Malaysia accept foreign experience??? Last year, someone in this forum told me don't even bother to "come back" cause Malaysian employers don't accept foreign experience. The person also whined and complained that OZ not accepting Malaysian experience.




QUOTE(tishaban @ May 14 2015, 10:33 AM)
I guess this is the biggest issue with migrating to Australia. I've worked in the Netherlands and the US where they actually do take into account previous experience and transferable skills even from Malaysia. Australia is pretty backward in this aspect.


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Well .... at the other side of the coin , with a family behind you . Your motivation will be different with much much stronger determination and efforts to make the migration successful.

While being single , you will tend to be lonely at times especially when seeing your high school / childhood mates posting thier enjoyful moments with old school mates in FB.

This is always the biggest pull factor the single here... there is nothing for singles here apart from earning the high buying power of AUDs. Else, You will tend to be easily influence to move back to Msia for a more happening lifestyle and kill of the homesickness

Wherelse with a family , is a totally different prospect and gains. Oz is a perfect place to raise a family.

Just my 2 cents
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post May 15 2015, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ May 15 2015, 07:59 AM)
Coming in as single, no worries about mobility. Can follow the job, move cities easily...low expenses, just a room rental is sufficient....can save heaps of AUD to buy property...

Unfortunately those who make the jump after having kids find it the most difficult. Having to rent/buy a place big enough, find a job, feed and school the kids etc. can be extremely stressful.
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hence the determination to make it work,
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QUOTE(selvenz @ May 14 2015, 06:50 PM)
i think most need to get out of the illusion that you are going to retain your current position and status post migration.

Instead take it as an opportunity for new beginings a chance to retool, relearn, enjoy life...not everyone is migrating with a vision of being the next bill gates or zukerberg,

for me a good life for my kids is the most important, education that is based on current standards is ranked 14 in the world vs our 52 or is it 62 who knows nowadays.

i spend circa 40k a year to keep my kid in international school, not that I'm rich but wtf! i shouldn't be doing this cause i pay taxes and my kids deserve a better environment and  school system. why the f should i pay for international school ? cause reality is the current school system is just crap.

anyways if you're single i guess its a lot to think about if the decision to migrate is right.

but for me if i calculate the cost of education till uni for my kid, quality of their life its cheaper to migrate ... the risk for me is worth it...

to each its own, no one can say migrating is right, neither can we advice others to make the decision. its something personal , carpe diem folks
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I have to disagree with the international/local school debacle. I came from the local school in Malaysia and I deemed the education to be of good quality even comparing them to the Aussie. I have peers coming through the Aussie education and I know we are on par in terms of knowledge and exposure.
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post May 15 2015, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(segamatboy @ May 15 2015, 01:42 PM)
Before calling Australia backward. Does Malaysia accept  foreign experience??? Last year, someone in this forum  told me don't even bother to "come back" cause Malaysian employers don't accept foreign experience. The person also whined and complained that OZ not accepting Malaysian experience.
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If the primary goal for me is to migrate why would I compare Australia with Malaysia? I compare Australia with the other places I have options to migrate to eg. the US and in this particular aspect of "accepting experience from Malaysia/Singapore" I find Australia more backwards.

Work experience is work experience, there are transferable skills that employers can take advantage of and smart ones should recognize that. Admittedly I've not gone all out to apply for jobs in Australia but I've had my fair share of rejections already.

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Not sure if this is the right forum for this, I've been living in Melbourne for 4 years now and have plans to renounce my Malaysian citizenship in the future and get an Aussie passport instead - reason being my partner and myself plan to travel the world (and work) and easier to have the same passport as some countries allow defacto/wife/husband to piggyback on my visa. We are not married, just defacto - together for 6.5 years now.

I currently have PTPTN loan which i have been diligently paying off every single month as per the schedule, do i need to pay it off in bulk once i renounce my citizenship?

I also am a guarantor for the family car, how will this affect them? What if I also have a car loan under my name?

I guess I can't keep my local bank accounts anymore?

Advice appreciated.

I love living in Melbourne, but have offers from HK/overseas and we are both considering uprooting to HK and join my ex boss but I'm just in a dilemma whether to get an Aussie passport (i still love Malaysia) or sign marriage papers (ugh). Looking at the HK work visa, i think their definition of spouse is married spouse only sad.gif

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QUOTE(selvenz @ May 14 2015, 10:43 AM)
Ironic a buddy just landed in melb less than two weeks and already found a job in his field . Network Security specialist. Albeit at a junior level considering he has 10 years solid experience but the fact he still found a job so quick.
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I found mine within a week or so, with only 3 years working experience (that was 4 years ago). It's not impossible, i was shocked too when they offered me the job on the spot, I thought I flunked the interview but the managers thought otherwise. They didn't even look at my degree d'oh. All they care was my work experience and how I presented myself. Still grateful that they gave me the opportunity and I'm still in the same team! ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(static @ May 16 2015, 06:27 PM)
I found mine within a week or so, with only 3 years working experience (that was 4 years ago). It's not impossible, i was shocked too when they offered me the job on the spot, I thought I flunked the interview but the managers thought otherwise. They didn't even look at my degree d'oh. All they care was my work experience and how I presented myself. Still grateful that they gave me the opportunity and I'm still in the same team!  ohmy.gif
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just be confidence in selling your skills to impress them. don't be shy or low-key in the interview or you will be ousted by the locals there
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Australia is very backward but there's good side and $hit. Malaysia is a great country but happens that the shitty government mismanage and is sucks or else we're a great nation already!
Australia is like abang adik with Malaysia government but the good thing is if you speak out and screw the government, at least they'll scared of ye.
Talk about working experience. They don't really give a shit on your Malaysia experience. They wanna know what's your Ozzie experience is and offer you junior post. It's not racist or sort of but it's about adapting the local working culture.
For instance i used to build skyscrapers in KL but end up here building small houses. Yeah, small house. When i showed my past project to my colleague, they just dropping their jaw and asking why am i here. Children and family mate.....it's all about that. One of the generation have to sacrifice their career for their future though.
Australia is not doing good now....Malaysia is not doing good as well....anyway, good luck to everyone who wanna jump over here.
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post May 19 2015, 06:49 AM

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QUOTE(Progressive @ May 15 2015, 04:51 PM)
Well .... at the other side of the coin , with a family behind you . Your motivation will be different with much much stronger determination and efforts to make the migration successful.

While being single , you will tend to be lonely at times especially when seeing your high school / childhood mates posting thier enjoyful moments with old school mates in FB.

This is always the biggest pull factor the single here... there is nothing for singles here apart from earning the high buying power of AUDs. Else, You will tend to be easily influence to move back to Msia for a more happening lifestyle and kill of the homesickness

Wherelse with a family , is a totally different prospect and gains. Oz is a perfect place to raise a family.

Just my 2 cents
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I disagree that there is nothing here for singles. U have the chance to meet people from different nationalities, participate in activities that r extremely hard to find in M'sia. There are many M'sian restaurants, even 24x7 ones in Melb & Syd. There are active FB groups where u can meet ppl. Assoc. with many events. And if u wish to and can afford it, it is only AUD 400 to fly back to Msia during certain periods of the year. AUD400=20 hours pay on min wage.

Life is what u make it. U can choose to work, come back and watch TV, and feel homesick, or u can go out, meet new ppl and enjoy a whole new circle of friends.

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