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prophetjul
post Jan 18 2012, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(White Knight @ Jan 18 2012, 09:41 AM)
Yes we know that. 457 is a working visa (4 years, i guess) for for those who has a highly specialised skill (eg particularly IT, engineering, medical etc) which can hardly be filled by local people or in a high demand occupation list and the company is willing to sponsor you because they need your skill desperately. I have my Malaysian former schoolmate who's holding a 457 visa & he's in the water engineering line...a very specialised field.
I am sure you're in a specialised field. What field are you in? if you don't mind to share or you can just PM me.

For this mercury, he knows nothing abt visa 457 or other subclass visas. He works in a Singapore bank. Banking jobs have never never been on the demand list in Aust and it's ridiculous for an Aust bank to apply for a 457 visa. Unless the company is in a highly tech industry like engineering, IT, mining, medical, then I can understand. I am in the accounting line (though it's still on demand list) & it's also ridiculous for the Big 4 firm to apply for a 457 visa. This mercury is trolling around by posting stupid comments.
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Would a civil engineer with 20 years experience get a good job in Oz?
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post Jan 20 2012, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jan 19 2012, 11:11 AM)
Folks,

Once upon a time, I made a VERY SIMPLE and ACCURATE statement about living in ANY country.

If you can make multiple times the average citizens in that country, you will live very well.

The same applies here.  Aka, living in Australia.  If you can earn a few times the average people of Australia, you will do fine.

Now, if you earn average and / or below average, you will not have a good life in Australia.  For some people, they have the ability to earn multiple times the average people for multiple countries, in that case, they will do fine in all those countries.

Some Malaysians migrated to Australia and they can longer earn above average income.  Hence, they have a bad life.  Others do not have that problem.  Hence, they are doing fine.

It is THE SAME all over the world...

Dreamer

P.S.: In summary, if you want a good life, do not be AVERAGE.  You have to be ABOVE AVERAGE.
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Thats true everywhere in the world.

Say if you are earning in excess of 300k pa in Msia, would one be able to
find a similar job in Oz?
i have scanned through some job sites, the best offer for a civil engineer is around AUD250k, with averages of AUD180k.
How would that compare with the Msia salary wrt lifestyle and costs of living after taxes?
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post Jan 20 2012, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jan 20 2012, 09:36 AM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...l%29_per_capita

prophetjul,

You do not get the ESSENCE of what I am saying...

The per capita GDP (nominal) for Malaysia is USD$8,617.  If you earn RM300K in Malaysia ~ USD$100K, you are 100K / $8,617 = 10 times the average people.

In Australia, per capital GDP (nominal) = USD $67K ~ AUD$67K just to simplify the comparison.  If you earn AUD180K, you are just 2.5 times the average people.  If you earn AUD250K, you are just 4 times the average...

Strictly by life style and financial point of view, RM 300K will get you a better life style as compare to average people (10 times) in Malaysia than the AUD180K and/or AUD250K (2.5 to 4 times ) in Australia.

This is the same reason why a retired British civil servant could barely survive in UK but could live very well in Malaysia.

In almost every country, the tax system is designed to make sure that people earning the AVERAGE pay the most taxes.  If you earn multiple times the average, you do not need to worry about tax.

Dreamer
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i do understand what you meant.

BTW i think you also mean average earnings per capita instead of GDP which is gross domestic production.
Gross domestic product (GDP) refers to the market value of all final goods and services produced within a country in a given period

i dont think its a strict maths comparison as taxes, medical etc comes into it. i think the net earnings is probably more
accurate plus afew other indicators.

Taxes in Msia is different. Note the number of tax payors in Msia is actually very few compared to working pop.
As i undersatnd like only in excess of 1 mil compared to 8mil working pop.
So in essense the av income earners do not pay the taxes in Msia. Its borned by the high income earners.
USD8600 = RM26k will not attract income tax.
Just my understanding..can anyone verify this?
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post Jan 20 2012, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jan 20 2012, 09:58 AM)
i do not know lar, but from the day 1 i started working in the 90s, i pay taxes till today. Am i average earners? Yes, definately....as i not high income earners....when can i stop paying tax like Brunei???  laugh.gif
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You have to read what dreamer wrote.

i dont think the av income of Rm26k attracts income tax nowadays.

i started working in 1980s earning Rm15k pa and that attracted income taxe then........

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when can i stop paying tax like Brunei???

Whe you work in Brunei......... biggrin.gif
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post Jan 20 2012, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jan 20 2012, 10:06 AM)
prophetjul,

<<USD8600 = RM26k will not attract income tax.>>

You have a VERY NARROW view of tax.  Just calculate how much a RM26K person pay for a car because of the car import duty.  How many percents of the income go towards car??

The SYSTEM is designed to get the most TAX REVENUE from average people.  It has to for a SIMPLE REASON. 

A) That is the LARGEST number of people in the country

B) The below average people has no money and cannot survive

C) The above average people are

    i) Too few to matter

    ii) Too hard to collect with their lawyers, accountants and so on...

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Dreamer

You do jump to conclusions vert fast!
i am only replying to your comments based on av income p capita........

So let me be curt as well....... rolleyes.gif

NO ONE forces you to buy a car ................ END of.

i also mentioned there are other indicators as well.........

Too hard to collect is a bad excuse.........

next questions for you before you give more qualitative comments

a) data for the statistical distribution of the tax paid vs the income earned

b) the data for the statistical distribution of tax payors or non

c) others
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post Jan 20 2012, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jan 20 2012, 11:09 AM)
prophetjul,

1) Can a person earning RM26K live an average life and save money??

2) Can you name all the hidden tax in Malaysia?? In this broader definition, tax = government revenue.  Given that 50+% of KLSE are GLCs and GLICs, all their incomes and losses went to the government too.

3) How much of your income went to GLC and Government??

Dreamer

P.S.: Do you have to buy a car in order to be "taxed" by the car import tax??  The answer is NO.  When you use somebody's car (taxi ) and buses, they passed their costs to YOU.  Ditto on lorry and so on... The cost of lorry affected by import tax is passed on to you with higher price...

P.S.2: In Malaysia, the GOVERNMENT run the economy.  You pay regardless of what you do.
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if a person cannot live on Rm26k as you seem to suggest(forgive me if i misread), what biz
do they have buying a car?

let me see about taxes

income, service, gomen, excise, import, export, cesses, property assessment, sales,

On high car import taxes, you have to refer to Singapore as well.......

Methink everywhere, not just Msia, Gomens run the economy........afterall they set the policies.
More biz, more tax, more income......
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post Jan 20 2012, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jan 20 2012, 12:19 PM)
Hi, Prophetjul,

Dont argue with Dreamer lar, he can always come up with lots of materials or aurgument points as he reads a lot one and takes extra ordinary effort to prove his points.

Think of how to celebrate chinese new year better lar or are you chinese btw.. tongue.gif
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Tigerr

i do appreciate these discussions.
i do appreciate his expertise.
Therefore i asked for data.
An objective discussion is good for the mind.
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post Jan 20 2012, 02:31 PM

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Let me get this right...are you implying i am not constructive?
i started by asking the quivalent of Msia earnings of Rm300k vs
AUD180k for comparisons.

i cant see where i got personal? Correct me if i am wrong
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post Jan 20 2012, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jan 20 2012, 02:39 PM)
chill bro, never mean you are getting personal or not constructive. Why take it so seriuosly? I just mean if you are taking all this constructively, then, it is ok, otherwise, like many others who may take it personally and want to win every bit of the argument to prove...actually to prove what i also dont know, macam ada prize waiting for them. If i have made you confuse, i sorlee lor...anyway, kong hee fatt chai to you first....me will be hitting the road to join the balik kampung crowd later...... biggrin.gif
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Thanks for the clarification.

No my intention is to find out more about working in Oz.
Whther its worth it to abandom a Rm300k salary and start over.

Anyway, you have a good journey. Bon Voyage! Drive safely! nod.gif
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post Jan 21 2012, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jan 20 2012, 08:20 PM)
extremepower,

+1

prophetjul,

Based on what I said, you probably get an EQUIVALENT lifestyle between Australia and Malaysia since you will earn multiple times the AVERAGE people income in both countries.  So, the reason to leave or stay has to be something else.

In my case (no I do not want to live in Australia), I consider staying in Malaysia as UNACCEPTABLE.  I BELIEVE that Malaysia is heading towards Total Economy Collapse in a few years if not sooner and it may NEVER recover.  Hence, for the future of my family, we must get out of Malaysia.

Many people in my community shared the same belief.  Hence, even for those with good business and job in Malaysia, they sent their children oversea and has a backup plan to get out of Malaysia if needed.

Dreamer
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i TOTALLY agree with you on the path of malaysia as a nation economically. biggrin.gif
Just look at Marcos and Philippines. It could have happened to Msia earlier if not for our natural O & G resources and smaller pop.
Phillipines has been in the economic doldrums for the last 40 years becuase of the corruption of Marcos.

Hence, the research to migrate and if not, the future of my children.

But having a Rm300k job makes the decisions all the more difficult biggrin.gif

Therefore my original question in the first instnace on the comparison with AUD180k job

Happy and blessed CNY to ALL~ thumbup.gif
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post Apr 13 2012, 09:19 AM

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What are the jobs in demand presently in Australia?

i was told that Chemical engineers are on low demand.


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post Apr 15 2012, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Apr 14 2012, 08:14 PM)
Unfortunately it does not tell a lot of the actual demand
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post Apr 15 2012, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(annielee @ Apr 15 2012, 09:35 AM)
usually those listed in sol, means the skills shortage and in demand..
wat i can say is, its a big step moving to oz to work, so make sure you do some homework first..
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Nah....i see chemical engineer there BUT was told by many that this profession is not in demand et al.
My friend's son with 1st class hons chem eng could not get a job after 6 months.
Whereas civil engrs are in demand.
Its not for me......just surveying for future for kiddos.
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post Apr 15 2012, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(naleh33 @ Apr 15 2012, 10:11 AM)
Even the job is listed in the demand list skill, it does not mean that you are able to get a job easily in Oz. Their hiring process is very much different from Malaysia. They paid very detailed attention your experience and always preferred with local experience. So landing the first job is always the toughest.

If it is for your kiddos, you can always send them here to study and apply for PR and eventually get a job. That is the easier path.
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How do you apply for PR first without job?
Are you eligible for PR application without a job?


Added on April 15, 2012, 3:00 pm
QUOTE(hihihehe @ Apr 15 2012, 02:52 PM)
normal case in australia..i spent 6 months to find a job too..
hons is not so special anymore and what they looking for is experience
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So maybe its beetter to work in Bolehland first and then apply for job in Oz?

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Apr 15 2012, 03:00 PM
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post Jun 18 2014, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Jun 18 2014, 11:43 AM)
you can still be brought in and sponsored

just like how Malaysia imports executive talent

you just need to be really outstanding - unfortunately that is not the case here

i'm talking about people with 5-25 years experience, strong and proven results, leadership, unique talents or skills, and can blow people away with their resume and their phone interviews

a person who can assume the role of CEO, or transform an entire research department, for example

most people are struggling to find work even when they are living right here... how is someone outside going to stand a chance without all of the above
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Oz job market is bad huh?
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post Jun 18 2014, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Jun 18 2014, 11:55 AM)
it depends what skills you have

a local does not need to that competitive. as long as they score an average result in their degree and have an internship or two (for graduates) or have solid work experience (for others), have a pleasant demeanour, and can show some confidence and interview well, they can get pretty good jobs

you can do a lot of things here that don't require you to be top of your class with a graduate degree and half a decade of experience. you can work in admin, restaurants, schools, mines, retail etc and get paid nicely. question is would you do that if you had a job or could find a job in Malaysia that fits your 'qualifications' better.

the above is a bleak picture because this person is overseas, and not a local. how are you going to attend interviews? there are exceptions, some companies will conduct phone interviews, others will fly you in or fly their people out. most of the time though, the person who ends up getting the job was able to meet face to face with the people in charge.

the economy has also been facing low confidence levels for a few years now, and rates have been falling steadily to their now historical low since 2011. the companies hiring are those facing turnover, or growing business - and these are relatively few.

I think i read some news (not necessarily reliable, possibly conducted by academics or a similar type of researcher) that claims starting salaries are projected to fall. this is a little surprising given how inelastic salaries are, but it indicates how poor the outlook is.
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Thanks for this info!

This is really the question, isn't it?

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would you do that if you had a job or could find a job in Malaysia that fits your 'qualifications' better.
Another thing is that Aus allows foreign Aus grads up to 2 years to work there. Strange that. Since the job market is rather bleak at the moment?
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post Jun 24 2014, 11:39 AM

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Question:

If I had millions to boot, what's the best migration category to get into Australia for a PR?
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post Jun 24 2014, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jun 24 2014, 11:57 AM)
Subclass 888, Business Innovation and Investment visa. You apply for the provisional Subclass 188 and then after 2 years upgrade to the 888.

1.5 million AUD.
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Thanks empire.

That was swift! thumbup.gif

And 888 as well! They know the Chinese well! biggrin.gif

Is that 1.5mil cash or can you invest, like in properties ,etc?
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jun 24 2014, 12:26 PM)
Investment in property is not considered acceptable.

The original 188 has 3 streams you can follow;

1) Business Talent. You need to have owned a business for 4 years and in those 4 years within 2 of them you must have had a turnover of 500k AUD per year. You will need to have 800k in the bank and ready for transfer. The business must be successful.

2) Significant Investor. You don't need to run a business or have an existing one. But you will need 5 Million AUD worth of money to invest in Australia straight up.

3) Standard Investor. You would have pre-arranged investment in Australia of the acceptable kind and held it for 1 year. This investment must be worth 1.5 million. You must have 2.25 million AUD in the bank and ready for transfer.

Also all investments are obviously taxed.
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Thanks.

That's very enlightening.


On 1) I would presume this biz is in Malaysia? That looks the easiest.
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jun 24 2014, 12:39 PM)
Yes. Anywhere. You just need to show that you can run a business with a significant turnover.
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Thanks

That one is the easiest. Rm1.5mil a year turnover is not much.

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