Bro, thanks for sharing.

Btw if you look back at my previous comment posted today at 10:58am, I said give me a reliable source , not from you or the media. Unfortunately the source you gave me is from the media, AsiaOne News....is it a Singaporean media? I guess it must be a S'porean media.
Due to press freedom policy, the media can always blow an issue out of proportion & exaggerate the whole issue. Singaporean media & politicians are known to paint a bad picture about Malaysia (don't get me wrong, I am not supportive of the current Msian govt). One good example was the comments / bad mouth from the S'pore govt about Malaysia being leaked by Wilkileaks owned by Julian Asange. It left the S'porean govt red-faced & had lots of explanation to make to the M'sian govt.

Just fyi, Australian politicians would never make a comment about any articles published by the media. It's because due to press freedom, the media can write whatever they want to write regardless whether the articles are true, partly true or not true at all. The media can simply make up any story just to add more spice to it. The aust politicians if being asked by reporters to comment on any media articles, they always give the same answer "This news is from the media, I don't want to comment".

So come back to your link which was based from an unreliable media source. It says "Under Malaysian Law, those staying in the country illegally are subject to mandatory 6 lashes of cane, fine and up to 5 years in jail". Unfortunately it didn't tell the whole picture and maybe this is the way of their propaganda against Malaysia.

The truth is this penalty only applies to those WHO UNLAWFULLY RETURN TO MALAYSIA AFTER REMOVAL . The law didn't even mention the penalties to those who enter Malaysia illegally for the first time. It's obvious their particulars will be taken down & will be deported back immediately.

Also under the Malaysian Immigration law, those WHO UNLAWFULLY RETURN TO MALAYSIA AFTER REMOVAL, the penalties are:-
1) fine not exceeding RM10,000 OR
2) imprisonment not exceeding 5 yrs or both and 6 strokes of cane

Here's the link for you to see http://www.lawyerment.com.my/library/doc/i...1000000-6.shtml
The above is a reliable link taken from the immigration law library & NOT from media. Remember it didn't mention any penalties for first time offenders

The AsiaOne News article also mentioned a London based group (but didn't say which group, they could be making up story again) said 34,943 whipping cases carried out for immigration offences between 2002 & 2008. Are they making up story again? first they didn't say which London group & secondly where the heck they get such an accurate figure of 34,943? do the prison authorities released that figures to them? or they just pick from the sky? Nobody knows how true it is.

Please do me a favour, congratulate AsiaOne News for succesfully exercising the freedom of press policy for giving a half but not fully misleading articles to the public.

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Added on October 20, 2011, 11:08 pmBro, hope you don't mind if I ask you one personal question. Why you want to come to Australia? isn't S'pore good enough for you?



This post has been edited by White Knight: Oct 20 2011, 11:08 PM

Lol such a heated debate. I'm doing this purely from a factual stand-point and I'm not trying to degrade you in anyway but I believe you are wrong. Malaysia Laws on Immigration Act clearly states:-

Control of entry into Malaysia
6. (1) No person other than a citizen shall enter Malaysia unless—
(a) he is in possession of a valid Entry Permit lawfully issued to him under section 10;
(b) his name is endorsed upon a valid Entry Permit in accordance with section 12, and he is in the company of the holder of the Permit;
© he is in possession of a valid Pass lawfully issued to him to enter Malaysia; or
(d) he is exempted from this section by an order made under section 55.

(3) Any person who contravenes subsection (1) shall be guilty of an offence and shall, on conviction, be liable to a fine not exceeding ten thousand ringgit or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or to both, and shall also be liable to whipping of not more than six strokes.

The link is here Immigration Act under Part II Section 6 (page 11). Hope this clears that up =) I agree with you that the media is completely overplaying the article and there is a HUGE difference between mandatory whipping versus "shall also be liable". That is completely factually inaccurate.

On a separate note, I find most Australians aren't racist and are generally friendly. But I've had friends who were racially abused when they were in uni here previously. There are bad eggs everywhere, don't let some racist bogans affect Malaysian's preception of Aussies.

This post has been edited by konichiwawa: Oct 21 2011, 08:36 AM

Can't believe you are still arguing. So i suppose you think whatever that gets reported in M'sia local newspaper is the truth? and whatever the M'sia gov say is also the truth? What BS! There is no need for SG to media to "paint a bad picture" of M'sia because everyone already knows that. Kinda like you don't call an idiot, idiot because you already know he's an idiot. Pointing the obvious is redundant. What you get in SG is news of M'sia is one that is fair and untouched by politicians and their watchdog.

I still wanna go to Australia for holdiays. I dun want to be subjected to the checks like i have to when i go the the USA. And if you guys keep screwing with other people's law, they are just gonna make it harder for all of you to come in....

Actually who's still arguing here? It seems like you cannot accept the fact that the article published by AsiaOne News is over exaggerated with bad motive. The evidence is right in front for you to see....compare AsiaOne's article with the reliable links provided. How can you deny it? If AsiaOne do such thing to other western countries, they will be immediately sued for defamation.

When did I say that "whatever reported by the Malaysian media & govt are the truth"? Please don't make up stories like AsiaOne. Read back my previous comment, I mentioned that "I am not supportive of the current M'sian govt". Msians are not stupid, we know better than S'porean of what's being reported are the truth or lies. Let me highlight to you, he's not only idiot but cunning as well. I am supportive of the Malaysian people who have been suppressed by the corrupted govt for years. I never forget my Malaysian root eventhough I have been in Aus for 9 years. Unlike you who proudly declared working & living in S'pore and think that S'poreans have higher standard than Malaysians. Please don't forget you were born in Malaysia & you're still a Malaysian. Also don't forget S'pore economy is very fragile...anything goes wrong in US or Europe, S'pore economy will be hit tremendously bad coz they only depend on trade to survive like what happened in the previous GFC. This fact was said by S'pore PM during the last GFC. You're a betrayal of your own people & race and wishing that those Malaysians who jump aeroplane in Aust will all be caught and punished like what you sternly said "I will not hesitate to report to the authority if I know anyone jump aeroplane in Aus". Hey, are you now in S'pore or Aus? - how do you know who's jumping aeroplane in Aus? Remember you're a Malaysian & stop betraying your fellow Malaysian countrymen.

You said "what you get in SG is news of Msia is one that is fair and untouched by politicians and their watchdog". How do you substantiate it? or you simply make up stories? Until you're able to validate your claim, your comment is rubbish. Untouched by politicians???? maybe yes or no.....just look at the secret bad mouth / slanderous remark lashed out by S'pore govt against Msia being leaked by Wilkileak. It left the S'pore govt felt embarrassed & red-face. Fair ??? , it's already been proven with the links provided, it's a slanderous article from AsiaOne.

When you go to overseas and you want to pass through the immigration or custom, off course everyone will be subject to screening & luggage checks. Why are you so afraid? Have you been strip searched before by the custom officer in public? That's why now you have phobia? or you are hoping to be strip searched?

I was just curious, because my friend got a job in SAS Australia with a partner visa.

I am actually doing a Master in ERP, but it is difficult to get an IT job in Australia, not to mention about ERP-related job as I am a freshie.

How is the IT pay over there?

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Added on November 26, 2011, 4:17 pmAnd for the record, the australian view asian as nothing more than income tax contributors, to contribute to the lazy australians. Here a typical conversation between 2 australian white guys.

White Guy 1: "Hey mate, the economy's not looking so good, is it, mate? And we're jobless."

White Guy 2: "No worries mate. Everthing gonna be just fine, mate. We have em ATM machines"

White Guy 1: "What ATM machines, mate?"

White Guy 2: "ATM machines we call Asians"

White Guy 1: "How's that work, mate ?"

Whaite Guy 2:"Mate, You know how asian work hard and all that. Well, the harder they work, the better. They contribute more to taxes. ANd through these taxes, we get our unemployment benefits, mate"

White Guy 1: "But isn't that not a good thing?"

White Guy 2: "Why not, mate? Afterall these asians want to come to Australia, they want to, mate, they'll give an arm and a leg to come to work here. We did not force them to, infact we discopurage them by making it hard with the point systems and all but they still keep comming. SO we get the best, most smartest and hardworking and make them work and pay taxes. The money then will be used to fund our unemployment benefits so we can continue surfing"

White Guy 1:" Awesome, mate. But would it be, like wrong?"

White Guy 2:" Mate, we're the real australians, you know. They want to come here, let's not forget that. SO we let them come to Australia and "plow our fields". Meanwhile we kick back, have a sip and go surfing. Everybody wins."

White Guy 1: "Awsome mate".

This post has been edited by mercury8400: Nov 26 2011, 04:17 PM

hhmmm, after reading the whole thing, you know mercury, the way you reply is like a moron, and more importantly is like those KIASUs singaporeans. what you say is not wrong(about the jump aeroplane thing) but what white knight say is also not wrong both at a different level.

Mercury you are politically right, while white knight is compassionately correct. The fact that you actually started this whole debate because you warn dont jump aeroplane, you can really say it in a nice way, but you choose to put in a very kiasu and scarcastic way. White knight on the other hand accepted what you have said and willing to apologize IF you provide a reliable source for what you have said, which you did, and later you admit it isnt a reliable source(in a indirect way) with a lot of F here and F there. Come on ????

You admit your source isnt right yet, you can even say "you mean those newspapaer in Malaysia is telling the truth ?" OH PLEASE, you are admitting you are wrong in a pathetic way, seriously. The fact that you cant even reply to people in a decent manner shows how arrogant you are and I dont even understand why White Knight even bothers to debate with you. I just dont.

your stupid jokes only is meaningful as a joke. Not every white people think and do that way(i mean they arent that stupid either but they are also people that think about human right, though not all). I personally believe that asians are terrible when it comes to human rights. I dont know why chinese, especially singaporeans & hong kongers(those that speaks cantonese) are THAT arrogant(i just dont get it, why that attitude) and not forgetting koreans.

PS : i personally believe GENERALLY australians & new zealanders are more well behave as compare to their Europeans & Americans counterpart.

This post has been edited by shaquenator: Nov 26 2011, 09:43 PM

IT pay is not that bad especially in Sydney and Melbourne..
I just graduated and working with one of univeristy in Melbourne as Helpdesk and the pay is around twice(thanks to casual title) more than the market rate. I considered myself lucky to get this job as I can get more experience and easier to land other job with local job experience in resume.

you work with a university in melbourne, means you graduated from a uni in australia right ?

This post has been edited by shaquenator: Nov 26 2011, 09:49 PM

yes. and it took me around 6 months to get this job after visa application

It's no joke, fool. I was studying and working in Sydney for 3 years. This was said right in front of me. This is also one of the reasons why I chose to leave Aus to work in SG. At least I know my tax money won't be going into these lazy people's pocket. And when did i say or admit that my sources are wrong? You can surf their website to see if what i say is right or not. If you chose to dsicredit my source, then show proof. Simple.

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Added on November 27, 2011, 12:35 amFYI a Moron is one that jumps aeroplane, get caught and caused the rest of Malaysian passport holders problems when entering that particular country. You want to work in Aus, do it the right way and do it legally.

This post has been edited by mercury8400: Nov 27 2011, 12:35 AM

Well said.

hahahahah, Im laughing at your reply ! discredit what you said ? seriously, I dont even wanna bother with your reply. Whatever lahhh with your story. if it's not Moron, then your an idiot, OK ?

the point is if you talk to a person without respect, whatever you said, irregardless correct or wrong, is irrelevant.

This post has been edited by shaquenator: Nov 27 2011, 02:58 AM

I have questions pertaining to disposable income when working in Australia.
1) With nett pay is a man able to support his wife on his own?
2) How much is the disposable (max potential savings) income after deducting 1 car and probably home rental (2 room min-suburb)?

Trying to estimate the value of migrating there through total amount saved. 3-5 years work experience scenario.

Just share with me your experiences as I understand different industry pays differently.

Thanks

Shaq, go elsewhere if you got your e-peen hurt.

Mercury, I could be a stranger to you & I just feel that you need some advise when interacting with people. NO OFFENCE ya.

Shaquenator has made a very reasonable & mature comment. He/She is right. White Knight had made some good comment too & he/she's right too.
What you don't realise is with all your vulgar and abusive words- F*king, SH1T, D1Ck, balls , you're proving to everyone that you find it hard to accept that you're wrong from the beginning. Yes, you know you're wrong with all your points raised and you just cannot accept the reality and start to jump around with all the vulgar/ abusive words. Technically people who cannot accept being a loser or should I say a sore loser, would normally lash out all the foul words. If you think that you're right from beginning, then you would not be lashing out foul words - you should be smiling keeping quite...am I right? On the other hand you're the one who raised up the Asiaone article & later it was proven wrong by both White Knight and konichiwawa. There's no need for them to show proof, you have already proved it yourself Asiaone is overplaying & over exaggerating the whole issue. You have made a mistake by posting the AsiaOne link & now you're trying desperately to 'win back the game'.

I spent 5 years in Aust doing both bach degree and post grad dip. I had came to know quite a number of Asians & whites during my campus day. Shaq was right, Singaporean and Hong Kees are the most racist and arrogant people in Aus. On the other hand the whites are the friendliest & most easy going people in Aus. I have seen a pregnant Asian lady inside a bus standing but no Asians willing to offer her the seat, it was those whites who offered her the seat. From past experience, those S'poreans like to throw a tantrum and yell out foul words whenever they lose out in a debate, competition or games. From Chinese proverbs, those S'poreans are like "Moon Hou Khau" - meaning Front Yard Dog, they only bark when they're in their own territory but outside their territory, they are all cowards. I have seen S'poreans verbally abuse those students from Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia and Cambodia but they dare not touch those big sized white men. They're being controlled by their kiasu attitude and you have proved it that you're part of their kiasu clan. You can lash out all your foul language in this site but if you come face to face confronting with White Knight, do you dare to do it? I don't think so. Like what Shaq has said, White Knight has been quite gentlemen that he will apologize IF a RELIABLE source is given. Until now there's still no reliable source from you. What they got from you is the one and the only over playing AsiaOne article.

You indirectly said that Australians are not good but you spent 3 years studying/working in Sydney and also said want to visit Aus. Why you still spent money paying tuition fees to Aus uni & taxes to Aus govt & want to spent visiting Aus? Isn't that made you a hyprocrite? In the last financial crisis, Aus still had a positive GDP growth while NZ was in recession. In South East Asia, S'pore was the very first that get hit & was in recession. Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia some how or rather still managed to hold on but requires some tough measures to be implemented.

Just to tell you life is never perfect, sometimes we succeed & sometime there're failures. If you lose, just take the defeat graciously and don't be like those kiasu S'poreans who're all sore losers. The more you fight back, the deeper you will fall into the hole. You should take the example of Roger Federer, whenever he loses a game, he takes it graciously and look forward to the next competition.

Hope that you will take the above comments as advise and to shape you to become a much better person and don't take it as an insult. If you continue with your current attitude, it will do more harm than good to you in your workplace especially in S'pore. It's better to make more friends than enemies, right? and I am sure your career will flourish in S'pore with the right personal character. Don't follow the crowd, if S'poreans want to be kiasu, let it be, don't follow them.

Again NO OFFENCE please, my friend.

The story doesn't reflect that:-

1) Rational people will want to earn more than the dole provides, so as to live a more comfortable lifestyle.
2) Asians/migrants can sit on the dole as well.

Why are you generalising that most HK or SG are rude and Whites are not? You got source to back yr claims? Just because i say the F* word, the sh1t word, i'm rude? I'm giving you facts and yr giving me nothing but gibberish with no source to back them out. How is any reasonable man gonna accept that??? huh??? tell me???? . Listen, Uni and work life is 2 totally different ball game.

I spent 3 years of my life working and studying in Aus, because i was like you once. I always think the whites are good and fair which was before all this sh1t happened. After 3 years, my perception completely changed. Racism does ocuur in Aus. In fact as an Asian, you have to send 2x as many CV to even secure a job interview in Aus. If you do not have an english name, worst. This is also reported in the news recently. http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.c...icants-brisbane. ANd this source is from the Economic times and don't tell me they are biased and all that sh1t.

ANd you people (or apes ) keep saying i lose. Lose what? There was never a competition to begin with. If you have source to discredit me then post it here. Don't talk rubbish. I have posted all my points SUPPORTED by sources. Again what proof do you have to proof otherwise? If you have i will concede. But you don't. So tell me who's "losing" now?????

Some how i get a feeling that these accounts are all dupe accounts by White Knight who lost the argument but want to sound credible by discrediting my source with other accounts. Otherwise how can you explain the sheer stupidity of these people. People who pass judgement based on what somebody said without facts. Or are they really that syupid to believe completely what others said without having the need to find out themselves?????

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Added on November 27, 2011, 6:11 pmOh and BTW I'm offended.
You can take a knife and stab someone and say No offence. Not goona work that way.

This post has been edited by mercury8400: Nov 27 2011, 06:11 PM

Hey guys, chill chill

This is a place for sharing and not character assassination battlefield. I graduated from Aust UNI and now is working in Australia as well. IMHO, racism is happening everywhere. I believe this is human nature. You will tend to side your own race and try to benefit your own 'people' first than the others.

I agree to a certain extend with Mercury that the 'whites' are racist. BUT NOT everyone. No doubt about it, they are humans as well. But, on the other hand, they are the one who are friendly, polite and treat others with respects. It is very obvious and you can see it through daily conversation. I do not condemn them because of their racism. Look at our own mother country, Malaysia. Chinese is one of the race fighting for Malaysia's independence, but till today some minister is still saying 'Chinese' are foreigners/pendatang asing. That is really an insult and much worse compared to the racism happened in Australia.

Mercury, just because you overheard some/minority whites' conversation, you basically generalized the entire situation saying the whites are racist. That is not fair. I am working in IT telco industry here. I can tell you that the senior management level in this industry in fact consists more of Indians than the whites. Although the top management (the C levels) is still dominated by whites. As I said, it is understandable, you want your own people to hold all the important positions.

+1

I working in IT industry as well and I'm the only chinese in the department where most of them are Indians, whites and vietnamese. They are all friendly and helpful but when dealing with customers who mostly white, you can hear their arrogance voice and they can't hold their temper properly.

In term of securing job, it's quite common sense that Asian need to put more efforts to secure job interview compare to whites. Most of the whites are local and would you hire Asians that not local/PR when you looking for people? Would you hire Asians that most of their native language is not English?

You want a job in Australia, you should know you will get less advantage compare to locals and learn to suck it up. Can't hold any longer? go back to where you came from. You own a company, hire Asians only and throw all white's resume to the bin.