Please have a heart for those who "jump aeroplane". They "jumped aeroplane" due to circumstances not because they like to jump aeroplane. If they're well off like you, do you think they will jump aeroplane? I am an Aust citizen now & I have seen a lot of my former countrymen (malaysian) who're overstaying & work illegally in Asian restaurants. I can tell you they're being treated like dogs by their employers (mostly also Asians who also happens to be migrants from Singapore & Hong Kong). That's one of the reasons why I don't like Singaporean (The Big Kiasus) & Hong Kees - Asians bully back the Asians. I am a Chinese too. Whereas I find that those Whites are more compassionate, considerate & kind hearted.

Couple of months back I was in an Asian restaurant, in a sudden an enforcement truck came & took away almost 12 illegal Malaysians. My heart immediately sank & I deeply felt for them when I witnessed the whole incident. I heard rumours that it was the restaurant's competitor who reported to the authority.

^ That why i advise NOT TO JUMP AEROPLANE!! If you are an illegal, you have no rights, period. The bosses will exploit you to the max and there is nothing you can do about it. You want to work in Aus, get the proper permit and do it legally. That way your rights are well protected and you can complain to the authorities if you are being abused!!!

Setting permit-related topic aside, anyone working in Perth? Any advise on the working culture/environment there (if different from Sydney/Melbourne)?

You have made a good point but you also have to bear in mind that those who jumped aeroplane are due to circumstances. If given a choice, I am sure they would not choose jumping aeroplane. Most of them struggle to make ends meet in Malaysia and unskilled. Do you think the Aust govt will grant permit to those unskilled people? The answer is NO unless there's a civil war in their home country, then maybe yes like what happened many years ago in Vietnam & Cambodia. Those who're born with silver spoon in their mouth would not understand this issue.

there are 1000 ways to earn money legally. You don't have to resort to illegal means to do it. If we allow that then the robbers, kidnappers, etc will also say they do it due to circumstances. Then how? simpathise with them as well? being poor or in a not so good situation does not give you the right to commit a crime (and that includes jumping aeroplane).

Have you thought then about the Bangra or Cambodian worker in Malaysia? Reflect on your actions and how you act in front of them, what goes on in your mind when you see them etc.

A crime is a crime. The accused will be prosecuted in court & the punishment is jail sentence. Yes, jumping aeroplane is illegal but does it warrant to be called a crime. Once they are caught, are they being prosecuted in court & sentenced to jail? The answer is NO. They will be deported back to Malaysia & they will walk freely.
If you say that it's a crime, then 30 years ago, those Vietnamese boat people will all be sentenced to jail. Bear in mind those asylum seekers in Aust are currently placed in detention centre (not prison) waiting to be deported.

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Added on October 19, 2011, 6:26 pmI have not gone back for so many years & I don't know we have Cambodian workers. Banglas or Indons commit most of the crimes in Malaysia, yes they must be prosecuted & sentenced to jail. I can say that NONE of the Malaysians commit any crimes in Aust. Most crimes are commited by African refugees.




This post has been edited by White Knight: Oct 19 2011, 06:26 PM

Correct with there 1000 ways to earn money legally. I need to say that they also wanted to earn more than what they earn back to Malaysia.

I think this applied for you and me that work in Singapore.. Do you ever ask yourself why you work in Singapore ? For sure its money matters.

Same, this applied for them as well. I can said that they are 1000 time hardworking compare to those just sit in the office and get monthly salary.


Due with education matters, they cannot land a office job, so may end up work like cleaner, farmer, in construction, and etc.

hi guys. is there anyone working in Oil & Gas industry at Australia? probably with EPCC O&G related companies?

is AUD 3,500 per month pay good enough? thanks

3,500 seems kinda low for me.... especially for O&G. Are you a fresh grad?

Again, yoour arguments does not seem to make sense. Malaysian are known to commit a host of criminal offence from prostitution to running drug rings. We are one of those blacklisted countries for criminals. http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...4522&sec=nation. This is just an example.

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Added on October 19, 2011, 10:58 pmI did not say you cannot work in other countries. What i said was do it legally. I am in SG legally. I have proper work permits, documents, etc. The SG gov cannot deport me. Lack of education is no excuse to not doing things the legal way. In the same way lack of education is no excuse for murder, robbery, rape, etc. If you get caught, you will be prosecuted

This post has been edited by mercury8400: Oct 19 2011, 10:58 PM

You're out from the original topic. What we meant was "Malaysians who jump aeroplane do not commit any crimes in Aust".

Those drug lords, prostitution kings etc are big time criminals and have their own followers. These big time criminals are super rich and have political connection and they "feed" all the top police officers. With tonnes of money in their hand, do you think they want to jump aeroplane? "jump aeroplane" means overstayed and work illegally as 'petty' workers in a foreign land and to be bullied all the time.

On your earlier comment "they will be jailed & whiped in Malaysia" - definitely they will be sentenced to prison if they commit crimes like rapes, robberries, murder etc & mostly are Indonesian or Banglas. Those who entered Malaysia illegally without permit will be deported back to their own country & NOT jailed or whiped in prison.

Also on your much earlier comment "work illegally is as bad as robbery".
Well, robbers - sentenced to prison & whiped
illegal workers - to be deported back (unless they commited crimes, then they will be brought to justice)
Can you see? it's 2 different treatment between robbers & illegal workers.

Have you seen the assylum seekers' detention centre in Sydney or Christmas Island? They have all the basic necessities there tv, fridge, oven, microwave etc. They are given good accomodation & food. Under the international law, assylum seekers must be given proper treatment & not to be tortured. That's why the're so dared to burn down the centre & go on strike. It will cost the taxpayers' money to feed all these assylum seekers & that's why the Aust govt try to have a deal with Malaysia. It will be a violation of international law if those illegal entrants are to be treated like prisoners eg whiped or canned (unless they commited serious crimes).

Hope the above will make it clear to you.

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Added on October 20, 2011, 7:32 amDon't worry, the whole world & SG govt know that you're in Singapore legally & have proper permit. Off course the Singapore govt cannot deport you because you have legal work permit, document etc.
Lets say if you're in Singapore illegally & have no permit, once caught, do you think the S'pore govt will deport you OR send you to prison and to be whiped? (assuming that you have not committed any crimes).



This post has been edited by White Knight: Oct 20 2011, 07:32 AM

Are there alot of Msians working illegally in Aust? Thought most of them were doing it in UK and not so much in Aust. Most of the illegals that I see here are mostly from Thailand and China/HK.

That is what you perceive from a jump-planer (Msian) POV. Same with a Bangra, he also perceives that what a pity his fellow men have to jump aeroplane. Most of the crimes are committed by Indons and Africans. And also get bullied by Msians.

If you have been in the shoes of a 3rd/4th generation Australian, you would see Msians as the bloody **** that they are. Just like you see the Bangra.

This is life and it is fair. You did it to the Bangras as Ozzies have done to you. Food chain beb.. just make sure you are on top.

Yes, most prefer UK bcoz of higher exchange rate. However in UK, the authorities are keeping a very closed watchful eyes on Malaysians because Malaysians have a tremendously bad record on jumping aeroplane. The same also applies to those from China.
That's why some Malaysians but not all come to Aust. Basically they will stationed themselves at predominantly Asian suburds.

Yeah I know we are notorious for overstaying in the UK really sad to see honestly. They are not as strict here in regards to overstayers but if you get caught thats it bai bai liao. I do wonder though how many Malaysians are residing in Aust and UK and USA. Would be good to have a breakdown of the diaspora.

There is no "let's say" and there should not be a "let's say" when you go through the proper prcedure and paperwork to get a permit. Again laziness and ignorance is not a valid point for "jumping aeroplane". There is no 2 ways about it. Get a permit or get out!

I have never been bullied by the white Aussies since I migrated over. So far the whites are ok, they're considerate & kind hearted. Don't get me wrong, I am not pro white or pro other races. I have been here for almost 9 years. In workplace or other places like park, trains, buses etc, the whites are very well mannered. They will greet you even if they don't know you.

With Asian migrants, they still treat me well....maybe I am a 6 footer (I am 187 cm tall) or they're afraid I will bash them up. However I do see some arrogant & snobbish migrants especially Singaporean, Hong Kees & Korean. They only know how to drive their luxury fanciful BMW, Merz or porsche around and speed in a no speed zone.....damn celaka people.

However those Chinese from China & also Japanese are very nice & humble. Trust me, they're indeed very humble & nice eventhough there're the richest migrants in Aust.

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Added on October 20, 2011, 11:12 amYes, please show me the link again. If the link proves that your point is right, then you're right, I will concede defeat. No point for me to argue the true facts.
But please send me the link again, I need to read it.

On my latest question to you, why are you so afraid to answer my simple question? I just simply ask "Lets say" if you're in S'pore illegally & without permit, would the S'pore govt:-
1). Deport you, OR
2). you will be prosecuted & sentenced to prison & be whiped.

You just need to answer me either 1 or 2. Simple as that, why are you so afraid?

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Added on October 20, 2011, 11:20 amBro mercury8400, just now I copied & paste the link given by you on the google & yahoo search BUT what I got was "No Results Found". Are you sure you gave the correct link? Please send again & let all the readers read it.

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Added on October 20, 2011, 12:20 pmBro mercury, what takes you so long to resend the link here. Let everybody reads it. This is your chance to prove me wrong. I have copied & paste the link on google & yahoo but what I got is "No Results Found". If you think you're right, send the correct link again. Make sure it's from a reliable source, not any source that's created by you or the media.

Until you resend the correct link, whatever you said are completely rubbish. Quick, resend it! Are you afraid?
I promise if I am wrong, I will concede defeat. Send it now !





This post has been edited by White Knight: Oct 20 2011, 12:20 PM

5years++ working experience. do you have any salary scale ranks for O&G worker with these experience at Australia? probably doing planner/project management/procurement in Oil&Gas?

Eh, Bro u think i so free sit infront of PC and surf LYN all day long izzit? I have a job to do, customers to meet, presentations to make. BTW the link IS working. http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews...527-218858.html. Don't include the full stop after html. and No 2. You should not be anywhere illegally whether it is M'sia or SG. Got it? so your "what ifs" is of no effect.