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post Jun 29 2012, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 29 2012, 02:34 PM)
Public Mutual declares distributions for 10 funds

KUALA LUMPUR: Public Mutual has declared distributions of between one sen per unit to six sen per unit for 10 of its funds for their financial year ending June 30, 2012.

It said on Friday, the distribution for the PB Growth Fund was six sen per unit while for the PB Islamic Bond Fund and PB Fixed Income Fund, it was 5.75 sen per unit.

For PB Infrastructure Bond Fund it was four sen per unit; PB Balanced Fund (three sen) and for the Public Islamic Money Market Fund and PB Cash Management Fund (2.5 sen per unit).

As for PB Islamic Cash Management Fund it was 2.25 sen per unit; Public Far-East Consumer Themes Fund (one sen per unit) and PB Islamic Asia Equity Fund (0.75 sen).

URL: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...14&sec=business
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is that a good return compare to last year?
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post Jun 30 2012, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(spagetti @ Jun 29 2012, 02:43 PM)
is that a good return compare to last year?
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Most is drop lor......
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post Jun 30 2012, 03:32 PM

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post Jun 30 2012, 04:02 PM

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PDSF return is very bad this year sad.gif
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post Jun 30 2012, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 29 2012, 02:34 PM)
Public Mutual declares distributions for 10 funds

It said on Friday, the distribution for the PB Growth Fund was six sen per unit while for the PB Islamic Bond Fund and PB Fixed Income Fund, it was 5.75 sen per unit.

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Good news & bad news... good distributions for the 3 funds... all 3 funds closed for fresh investments!

(I think I will put in some fresh funds from EPF on Monday into one of the above funds, even though I had said no more investment into PM...)


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post Jun 30 2012, 11:07 PM

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Actually I'm just curious, why are you guys excited about income distribution from unit trust funds? It's just taking your own money and reinvesting it into new units. Your net wealth doesn't increase a single cent.
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post Jun 30 2012, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(karhoe @ Jun 30 2012, 11:07 PM)
Actually I'm just curious, why are you guys excited about income distribution from unit trust funds? It's just taking your own money and reinvesting it into new units. Your net wealth doesn't increase a single cent.
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post Jul 1 2012, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(karhoe @ Jun 30 2012, 11:07 PM)
Actually I'm just curious, why are you guys excited about income distribution from unit trust funds? It's just taking your own money and reinvesting it into new units. Your net wealth doesn't increase a single cent.
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fund not like share market.The price wont rise pun if give dividend.I buy pb fund 2 years liau still rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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post Jul 1 2012, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(felixwang @ Jun 30 2012, 11:53 PM)
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Not necessarily true. Kindly check the link below: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=2234


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QUOTE(karhoe @ Jun 30 2012, 11:07 PM)
Actually I'm just curious, why are you guys excited about income distribution from unit trust funds? It's just taking your own money and reinvesting it into new units. Your net wealth doesn't increase a single cent.
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Are you trying to start a debate whether distribution increases the NAV of the fund? Please don't... just ended one over at the other thread. tongue.gif

But a good distribution does shows that the fund is showing returns for the year... if you have been holding it for some time like a year or more... it's so much more exciting than holding a dead fund that shows negative returns. smile.gif


Added on July 1, 2012, 11:42 am
QUOTE(wenqing @ Jul 1 2012, 12:32 AM)
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fund not like share market.The price wont rise pun if give dividend.I buy pb fund 2 years liau still  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Agree on that not every fund is giving returns. So to balance the news, below are the year-end 30/June PB funds that are not on the distribution list:

PB Singapore Advantage-30 Equity Fund
PB China Asean Equity Fund
PB Asia Equity Fund
PB Euro Pacific Equity Fund

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This post has been edited by j.passing.by: Jul 1 2012, 11:42 AM
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post Jul 1 2012, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(karhoe @ Jun 30 2012, 11:07 PM)
Actually I'm just curious, why are you guys excited about income distribution from unit trust funds? It's just taking your own money and reinvesting it into new units. Your net wealth doesn't increase a single cent.
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Actually it's the same goes to share. When a share like dlady distribute dividend like rm1/0 lots, when the EX-date reached, it will automatically drop rm 1 too. A fund that is able to distribute dividend does show that that fnud is earning and in good cash flow condition. Wherelse like China Select fund, i do not think it can.
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post Jul 1 2012, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jul 1 2012, 11:07 AM)
Are you trying to start a debate whether distribution increases the NAV of the fund? Please don't... just ended one over at the other thread.  tongue.gif

But a good distribution does shows that the fund is showing returns for the year... if you have been holding it for some time like a year or more... it's so much more exciting than holding a dead fund that shows negative returns.  smile.gif


Added on July 1, 2012, 11:42 am

Agree on that not every fund is giving returns. So to balance the news, below are the year-end 30/June PB funds that are not on the distribution list:

PB Singapore Advantage-30 Equity Fund
PB China Asean Equity Fund
PB Asia Equity Fund
PB Euro Pacific Equity Fund

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Those funds distribution policy is not annual and they're not committed to declare it unless they're performing extreme well and have excess cash that they don't have idea where to invest too which I highly doubt that given current world economic situation.
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post Jul 1 2012, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jul 1 2012, 04:08 PM)
Those funds distribution policy is not annual and they're not committed to declare it unless they're performing extreme well and have excess cash that they don't have idea where to invest too which I highly doubt that given current world economic situation.
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no need extremely well... just positive returns would do, and PM will announce to the whole world. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jul 1 2012, 11:07 AM)
Are you trying to start a debate whether distribution increases the NAV of the fund? Please don't... just ended one over at the other thread.  tongue.gif

But a good distribution does shows that the fund is showing returns for the year... if you have been holding it for some time like a year or more... it's so much more exciting than holding a dead fund that shows negative returns.  smile.gif
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Come I join u here tongue.gif

Let me add a useful point to consider icon_idea.gif

A unit trust fund can have 3 types of gains:
(1) Income from dividends received and interest received. Often, these are received in the form of cold hard cash. These are REALISED INCOMES.
(2) Net gains from disposals of investments (proceeds from disposal LESS cost of sale). This is also a REALISED INCOME.
(3) Fair value gains i.e. market value/"paper" gains. This is an UNREALISED INCOME.

AFAIK, a fund can only make distribution/pay dividend from its REALISED INCOME.

Thus, it can be said that, only a fund with healthy operating cash flows can make distributions. nod.gif

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It does not necessarily mean that a fund with healthy operating cash flows is better than one without. Why?

Let me answer using an example/illustration...

XYZ Dividend Fund received lots of dividends during the financial year, and so it is in position to to declare dividend for the financial year. It did not dispose any of its equity holdings during the year. Its portfolio of investments registered a paper loss of -30% due to adverse market conditions.
NAV movement for a fund with such performance is likely to be negative, but it still can declare a dividend.

ABC Dynamic Growth Fund received zero dividend and just a little interest income during the financial year. It does not declare dividend for the financial year. Similarly to XYZ, ABC did not dispose any of its holdings during the year. Its portfolio of investments registered a paper gain of +18% due to its superior stock picking in the volatile market conditions.
NAV movement for such fund is likely to be positive i.e. NAV should have risen by about 18% during the past 12 months.

Get it? icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jul 1 2012, 07:29 PM

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i hate Public Mutual
coz now got charge for switching for less than 90 days...
0.75% fee.

Have stop investing New fund into my portfolio.


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post Jul 1 2012, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 1 2012, 07:11 PM)
Come I join u here tongue.gif

Let me add a useful point to consider icon_idea.gif
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Get it? icon_rolleyes.gif
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much ado about nothing... because us simple investors only care about returns, only the positives ones, the negative ones good riddance!

i think somewhere inside there does explain why a recent fund, with 'incidental' income, and negative NAV per unit can gives a distribution. nod.gif

QUOTE(MakNok @ Jul 1 2012, 07:29 PM)
i hate Public Mutual
coz now got charge for switching for less than 90 days...
0.75% fee.

Have stop investing New fund into my portfolio.
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yes, now has to pay to fiddle with the switching - because now too easy to do it online... previously it was too cumbersome doing it via the phone... press 1 for english...

my reason to stop investing new fund is due to the service charge... okay-lah pay service charge to UTC for first several years, but now after more than 10-15 years, and can do online, still want us to pay the UTC for no service... PM should revised the pay structure; I think UTC all kena con, because once they bring in a new customer, customer most likely to remain loyal and stay for life. How can they do like insurance agents, when we only buy insurance once in a lifetime, but unit trust is different... we keep buying till retire. Now i still not sure what to do with bulk of EPF when withdraw at 55; sure don't want to invest in PM.



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post Jul 1 2012, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(echoesian @ Jun 30 2012, 04:02 PM)
PDSF return is very bad this year sad.gif
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Ya, bought it but like not moving...

QUOTE(karhoe @ Jun 30 2012, 11:07 PM)
Actually I'm just curious, why are you guys excited about income distribution from unit trust funds? It's just taking your own money and reinvesting it into new units. Your net wealth doesn't increase a single cent.
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U can dollar cost average it.
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QUOTE(desmond_fantasy @ Jul 1 2012, 09:32 PM)
Ya, bought it but like not moving...
U can dollar cost average it.
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Not this AGAIN doh.gif

Bro, I humbly invite u to read the recent series of examples, illustrations and explanations on what dividends/distributions mean to investors notworthy.gif

Here, read from Page 119:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/690951/+2440

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jul 1 2012, 09:40 PM
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post Jul 1 2012, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(MakNok @ Jul 1 2012, 07:29 PM)
i hate Public Mutual
coz now got charge for switching for less than 90 days...
0.75% fee.

Have stop investing New fund into my portfolio.
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CIMB clicks is having promotion, all equity funds that invest via cimb clicks are with 1.88% promotion.
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post Jul 2 2012, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jul 1 2012, 11:59 PM)
CIMB clicks is having promotion, all equity funds that invest via cimb clicks are with 1.88% promotion.
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Details: http://www.cimbclicks.com.my/unittrust_intro.htm

Damn ... started since June 1 and I didn't aware of it.

Should have grab the chance to topup CIMB Principal Australian Equity Fund when Australian market slided to the lowest last month!

This post has been edited by David83: Jul 2 2012, 12:02 AM

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