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 °° LYN Honda Insight Owners Thread V4 °°,, The Power Of Hybrid. Owners Welcome ! !

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post Jan 14 2012, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Jan 14 2012, 05:37 PM)
Just sierraglow your baby.  no regrets. Plus it ain't 2.5k.
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jan 14 2012, 05:42 PM)
Sierra glow I think rm600 rite 5 years guarantee hehe
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thanks for the info, u guys are really help me alot!! biggrin.gif
after some research, called Mr. Choong from Sierra Glow just now, the price for Insight is rm600.
did ask about difference between SG and other expensive coating though, i still cant get what he mean, maybe im too noob blush.gif
but then i think i wont go wrong with this after seeing so many compliments from forumssssss
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post Jan 14 2012, 11:09 PM

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Done my 40k km at temerloh sc, for rm900++ i think quite normal for major services
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post Jan 14 2012, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(Fazri9900 @ Jan 14 2012, 07:16 PM)
Hoyeah..got 800km ++ for a full tank..26 - 25km perliter..
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Amazing. Best i did was 600++ normal driving style. 800, you must turtling behind other cars? Ha ha. Congrates
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post Jan 14 2012, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(shaun1212 @ Jan 14 2012, 11:13 PM)
Amazing. Best i did was 600++ normal driving style. 800, you must turtling behind other cars? Ha ha. Congrates
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Hee..no la bro..still driving normal..but light on the pedal..
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post Jan 15 2012, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(Fazri9900 @ Jan 14 2012, 11:24 PM)
Hee..no la bro..still driving normal..but light on the pedal..
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800km full tank after finish full tank?
long distance driving or town driving?

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post Jan 15 2012, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(ahkam77 @ Jan 15 2012, 10:07 AM)
800km full tank after finish full tank?
long distance driving or town driving?
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At 780 km still no sign of low fuel..reach 800 km..baru ada sign low fuel...

For the driving...more inter district driving...state road...little bit highway...n also town driving...

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post Jan 15 2012, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(kapultek @ Jan 14 2012, 11:09 PM)
Done my 40k km at temerloh sc, for rm900++ i think quite normal for major services
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wow, thought mine was high... clocked 32k km yesterday.
travel back and forth from kl - jb...

RM900...did u change the air-cond filter?
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post Jan 15 2012, 04:07 PM

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those that top up to change a better double side tape ( if problem exist do get back to me ) to see whats the course
sweat.gif bro for your case i am sure when we cod at sunway i did remind you to change the double side tape to 3m
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Since you mentioned it, does the sidestep you sold also require additional doublesided tape?

The shape of the sidestep did not fit perfectly the car body, especially the longer front door sidestep. The middle section keep springing up, probably because existing doublesided tape does not have sufficient surface area to hold it down. I will remove it later and try adding more tapes. Or I probably have to bend the piece slightly to make it into correct shape so it does not spring up.

Any other people who DIY have the same experience?
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post Jan 15 2012, 04:23 PM

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just done 15K service at Honda SC glenmarie...

request to used fully sint. oil..0W-20..total $205(after discount)

engine feel smooth and lighter after that..mybe my feel only..
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post Jan 15 2012, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(Sh@rty 5 @ Jan 12 2012, 10:55 PM)
those that top up to change a better double side tape ( if problem exist do get back to me ) to see whats the course
sweat.gif bro for your case i am sure when we cod at sunway i did remind you to change the double side tape to 3m
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No ler, u tell me to clean the surface before stick only. U said this is 3M so I stick it after I got it from you.
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post Jan 15 2012, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(cbinn @ Dec 21 2011, 01:51 PM)
Went to Kah Motor Puchong Service Center (the one near the Tesco Puchong U-Turn flyover) to do my 10k service. Mentioned to the service advisor that my car have a quite a loud and prominent whistling sound coming probably from somewhere behind the dashboard on passenger side when driving at around 100km/h. No sound before 100km/h and the sound also disappear after 110km/h. The sales advisor say will get technician to drive out and test, so service will take longer than usual (he mentioned 1 and a half hour).

Walking around, I noticed my car was actually parked in the parking lot most of the time (only went into the workshop for about 20 minutes). I waited close to 3 hours and still car not ready so I go ask whether it's ready. The service advisor told me technician did test drive but did not hear any whistling sound when driving at 100km/h so ask me to come back and check again if I still hear the sound. I was wondering how come the car could have been driven out of the service center for the test drive without me noticing it, maybe I actually overlooked.

Now come the disappointing part, when I get into my car and start the engine, I noticed the milage at the MID was exactly the same reading as when I send in the car! I was like, wow, they can bring the car to 100km/h in less than 1km mileage recorded in odometer?

I didn't know Kah Motor Puchong have a wind tunnel facility inside them to test wind noise at high speed without the need of actually driving the car into highway, or, they actually have the capability to reset my odometer back to original mileage after their test drive.

I supposed service engineers normally felt car owners are just fussy, wind noise during high speed is a normal thing and a lot of the complains are just psychological effect of the car owners always wanting their car to be in perfect condition, and since it is under warranty, car owners will complain on every small things they could find.

I was in hurry so I do not have much choice and I did not make a fuss out of it, since I had wasted 3 hours sitting down there assuming they actually took my car out for test drive.
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Finally, I manage to pinpoint the source of the wind noise by accident.

I was spending my Sunday installing sidestep steel plate onto my car. The front plate comes with LED, so I decided to link them up to the room light circuit. I opened the plastic trim along the sidestep to allow me to pull out the door trim rubber lining and thread the wiring of the LED on steel plate into the car.

While I was removing the passenger side sidestep plastic trim, a black plastic plug, about the size of 20 cents coin dropped out. I was guessing that could have been dislodged due to improper factory installation as no one had dismantled that part of my car before (Japanese also human, they may make mistake too). Putting my hand in between the plastic trims and the car body, I could not find any hole that this plug could fit, so finally and reluctantly, i took out most of the plastic trim on the passenger side. I found the hole at the sidewall somewhere beside the glovebox, somewhere below the passenger door wiring. I could be pretty sure that's the hole as there are no other nearby, and the size is perfect fit for the plug i found. So i just plug the hole up.

After fixing the wiring for the sidestep LED putting back all the plastic trims very carefully not to break anything or left anything loose that might rattle, time to go for testdrive. Of course, the LED is easier to test, just open door and the LED comes on. I was more eager to test whether the plug I found did solve the whistling noise that had been bothering me each time I reach highway speed. After driving up and down NKVE for about 45 minutes, I finally convinced the whistling noise has been eliminated.

Close case, finally. Ended up I spend one whole day on my car due to the extra time caused by discovery of this 20 cent size plastic plug, but I am very happy and statisfied, apart from smiling myself looking at the blue glow of my newly installed side step, I got a bonus today for be sure not hearing any more whistling sound each time I hit highway speed, and prove to myself I am not paranoid about the noise as what the service center might have thought.

I just think service center should have took customer complain more seriously, rather than just come out with some lame excuse or even worst to lie to customer in order to coax customer to accept minor defects so they can safe on troubleshooting work.

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post Jan 15 2012, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(cbinn @ Jan 15 2012, 10:44 PM)
Finally, I manage to pinpoint the source of the wind noise by accident.

I was spending my Sunday installing sidestep steel plate onto my car. The front plate comes with LED, so I decided to link them up to the room light circuit. I opened the plastic trim along the sidestep to allow me to pull out the door trim rubber lining and thread the wiring of the LED on steel plate into the car.

While I was removing the passenger side sidestep plastic trim, a black plastic plug, about the size of 20 cents coin dropped out. I was guessing that could have been dislodged due to improper factory installation as no one had dismantled that part of my car before (Japanese also human, they may make mistake too). Putting my hand in between the plastic trims and the car body, I could not find any hole that this plug could fit, so finally and reluctantly, i took out most of the plastic trim on the passenger side. I found the hole at the sidewall somewhere beside the glovebox, somewhere below the passenger door wiring. I could be pretty sure that's the hole as there are no other nearby, and the size is perfect fit for the plug i found. So i just plug the hole up.

After fixing the wiring for the sidestep LED putting back all the plastic trims very carefully not to break anything or left anything loose that might rattle, time to go for testdrive. Of course, the LED is easier to test, just open door and the LED comes on. I was more eager to test whether the plug I found did solve the whistling noise that had been bothering me each time I reach highway speed. After driving up and down NKVE for about 45 minutes, I finally convinced the whistling noise has been eliminated.

Close case, finally. Ended up I spend one whole day on my car due to the extra time caused by discovery of this 20 cent size plastic plug, but I am very happy and statisfied, apart from smiling myself looking at the blue glow of my newly installed side step, I got a bonus today for be sure not hearing any more whistling sound each time I hit highway speed, and prove to myself I am not paranoid about the noise as what the service center might have thought.

I just think service center should have took customer complain more seriously, rather than just come out with some lame excuse or even worst to lie to customer in order to coax customer to accept minor defects so they can safe on troubleshooting work.
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as i mentioned SC services sucks big time. mad.gif


Added on January 15, 2012, 11:12 pm
QUOTE(cbinn @ Jan 15 2012, 04:07 PM)
Since you mentioned it, does the sidestep you sold also require additional doublesided tape?

The shape of the sidestep did not fit perfectly the car body, especially the longer front door sidestep. The middle section keep springing up, probably because existing doublesided tape does not have sufficient surface area to hold it down. I will remove it later and try adding more tapes. Or I probably have to bend the piece slightly to make it into correct shape so it does not spring up.

Any other people who DIY have the same experience?
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meaning it doesn't fit properly? shakehead.gif

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post Jan 16 2012, 12:45 AM

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hey guys, i just install my new black color Enkei 17" rim, with 205/45/R17. Do i need to reset my steering wheel setting?
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post Jan 16 2012, 07:39 AM

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Added on January 15, 2012, 11:12 pm
meaning it doesn't fit properly? shakehead.gif
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it fit perfectly, but you just have to use another double sided tape... there should not be any bending the tip of the side step also..
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post Jan 16 2012, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(2piece @ Jan 15 2012, 04:23 PM)
just done 15K service at Honda SC glenmarie...

request to used fully sint. oil..0W-20..total $205(after discount)

engine feel smooth and lighter after that..mybe my feel only..
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Better dont do High REV on your car.. 0-20W is way to thin and any high rev driving will damage your engine....


Added on January 16, 2012, 9:26 am
QUOTE(chris_tco @ Jan 16 2012, 12:45 AM)
hey guys, i just install my new black color Enkei 17" rim, with 205/45/R17. Do i need to reset my steering wheel setting?
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huh... reset stearing wheel??? like how??

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post Jan 16 2012, 09:32 AM

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[quote=just_ice,Jan 16 2012, 07:39 AM]

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meaning it doesn't fit properly? shakehead.gif
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it fit perfectly, but you just have to use another double sided tape... there should not be any bending the tip of the side step also..
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Ya, ended up peeling the sidestep off, added another 2 layers of doublesided tape to make it thicker, and now it fitted firmly. Earlier, the original tape could not hold the middle part of the long sidestep from keep springing up and rattles.

I guess this info will be useful for those who want to diy the installation. for those installed by shop, I am sure the shop will warranty their workmanship.
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post Jan 16 2012, 09:44 AM

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[quote=cbinn,Jan 16 2012, 09:32 AM]
it fit perfectly, but you just have to use another double sided tape... there should not be any bending the tip of the side step also..
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Ya, ended up peeling the sidestep off, added another 2 layers of doublesided tape to make it thicker, and now it fitted firmly. Earlier, the original tape could not hold the middle part of the long sidestep from keep springing up and rattles.

I guess this info will be useful for those who want to diy the installation. for those installed by shop, I am sure the shop will warranty their workmanship.
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how did you install the LED? where did you tap the wires?
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post Jan 16 2012, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jan 13 2012, 09:20 PM)
This is what I share @ autoworld forum..

My Insight is hitting 10K service now...

After all the hoohaa about Hybrid... let me share my experience of driving it...

I will compare to my previous car City IDSI 2006 and compare the performance with my friend BMW 320i (Unfair rite hahaha I'm evil!!!)
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Fuel Consumption... how much you can save seriously in real life driving not the JC test result etc etc...

(Kepong Carefour -> Sg. Buloh -> Subang Airport and back) My journey to work milage
My average Honda City IDSI will give me around 350 to 400KM mileage
Insight will give me around 650KM mileage.

Highway (Kepong-> Sg. Buloh Tol -> Taiping Perak)
The best City IDSI milage meter is 17.5km/l (YES I MANAGE TO HIT THIS MUAHAHA)
The best Insight is 25.8km/l (It can do better but so far this is the highway record) so far I have seen people hit up to 28km/l
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Quality of the Car (Exterior and Interior)

Exterior
City Exterior is pretty good but the looks is a debate since 2004 haha
Fit and finish is OK paint job is smooth.
The bumper clip is horrible it always give way even minor hit it look pretty bad...
The light is Standard H4 clear reflector helogen (you install HID police will be very happy) it is not HID ready.

Insight Has better fit and finish the join and gap is much refine and you will notice it is made in japan
Paint job is not as good as Malaysia CKD, it is very rough you can see the orange skin effect under sunlight... it is mainly due to thick anti rust... it is good for rust proof but not so nice to look at haha
The clip is stronger more support and stronger clips
Headlight is Projector with manual electronic levelling yes it is HID ready
The looks is good... with Mugen kits even better

Interior
City Interior is mainly Beige in colour vs Insight is Black
The seat overall is better than city cause there is more back support and side (semi bucket seat) support
The rear Head clearance is very bad on insight if you are tall you will have problem...
The split rear glass you need to get used to it... some hate it...
The boot space City is better but loading stuff Insight is better. I still like City ULTRA Seat...
Insight is very quiet way more quiet than City the NVH is superb!!!
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Performance and Technology

Performance - Top Speed
City IDSI top speed : 170km/h (On S mode paddle to the metal)
Insight top speed : 200 km/h (Econ - Off / D mode / Still can press the accelerator paddle) it can still go but 200 is scary!!! We test this during Seremban-KL highway run with my friend BMW 320i even he is impressed by the 1.3l car haha!!
(P/s: I cannot overtake 320i but manage to keep up with his car which is awesome)

Performance - Acceleration (Hill Start)
City IDSI - The CVT will have a little lag while Engine build up the torque to boost you will feel city boost at around 2000 rpm range... you will notice this when you stop at the hill

Insight - The electric motor will kick in very fast and boost you so in hill start it is easier and you will notice the CVT work less in this scenario.

Performance - Acceleration 0-100++ km/h
City IDSI is not very strong at 0-100 as it is IDSI you want strong you have to op for VTEC...
Insight - Electric Motor kick in very fast and strong you will notice tire skids and VSA kick in to hold it to the road and sling shot... the electric motor will very fast drive the engine to 5K RPM and will let the engine take over from there overall you will feel a little G-force pulling (very mild) overall it is fast!!

Performance - Breaking
City IDSI basically all the City will suffer soft breaking due to ABS thats because this ABS does not come with BA (Break Assist)
Insight have 2 Break Regenerative and Normal Brake... it have ABS / BA / Traction Control / VSA / Panic Stop
The break is very light and the break is very strong... some say the Drumbrake at back of the car is bad but the breaking power is there and it all thats matter... you can have super 4 disc and if you cant stop you are doom anyway.. haha!!
Because of regenerative brake the brake pads wear is very minimum...

Performance - Handling

Both car has very good handling but Insight is on the harder ride side... City ride is softer...

Conclusion.

Is it worth is :
1. YES if you are looking for a replacement for a everyday family car.

Compare to TDCi / TDi turbo diesel...
- Different kind of car.. a Diesel car can achieve what Hybrid can do but @ malaysia Diesel quality is still very low... my experience with 2 Diesel pickup truck you need to overhaul the fuel injector filter as it become dirty easily... another thing is price... if you can afford a Polo why not... but put into consideration of maintenance. maintaining a conti car is not cheap...

Compare to Prius
- Prius is a better hybrid if you dont mind spending additional RM40K. some say Prius standard offering not available on insight...my answer with 40K you can have all their fittings!!! haha

Battery How very scary!!!
- Try google.. the Insight battery is basically D cell NimH joint together so I believe there is cheap aftermarket replacement in the future in U.S. people are retrofitting aftermarkets D cell into the 1st generation Insight at a super cheap price... I have no worries unless D cell went extinct... (Insight batteries is D cell nimh made by Sanyo)
- On Prius batteries I believe it is proprieties and you will not have after markets parts... and I believe it is more expensive to replace although it last longer by additional 3 years... think about it... (Prius cell is a custom size made by Panasonic)

Should I wait...
YES but price and Government policy may change it may go lower or may go higher the RISK is yours...
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Nice post. My previous drive honda city vtec 06 suffers on the high way, engine is loud when reaching 150. For honda insight.. no sweat.

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post Jan 16 2012, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(kapultek @ Jan 14 2012, 11:09 PM)
Done my 40k km at temerloh sc, for rm900++ i think quite normal for major services
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Bro, since you're the highest clocker here, any new discovery with your car? How's the engine, IMA, suspension, overall performance holds up?
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post Jan 16 2012, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(babysmile @ Jan 7 2012, 11:40 AM)
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Hope everyone can understand this tutorial. I try to explain as simple as possible.

I divide into 2 parts. Part 1 is installation of Boot Lamp Cover. Part 2 is getting the correct wiring for the boot.

Things you need to get ready to have OEM Honda Insight boot light

1) boot lamp cover Part number 34265-SFE-003.  Another cheaper version part number 34261-S5A-003
2) wiring 5 meter
3) cable ties
4) led bulb ( T10 version )
5) Pen knife
6) Scissor & Black tape
7) Wire coupler (optional)

Difficulty : 3 out of 5
Time spent : 5-6 hours.

Part One : Installing Boot Lamp Cover

Step 1 : Open the boot and locate the plastic cover on left side. Use a flat screwdriver cover with cloth to pry out the plastic cover on the top left corner. There is hole for the purpose to remove the plastic cover.
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Step 2 : Check the cover and turn opposite way and see there is a shape which you can create the hole. I use a dremel to drill the hole then sand paper to smooth the edge.
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Step 3 : Get the boot lamp cover to match with the plastic cover to ensure it fit properly. 
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Part Two : Finding The wiring

Step 1 : Get the negative source -> boot lamp source wire. Open the boot and slowly peel out the black protective rubber on right side. Locate Orange Wire.  Try use wire coupler or expose the orange wire with a new wire to connect our boot lamp. You need around 4 meter. Please do not cut the wire.
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Step 2 : Once wire is connected, tidy the wire to the boot lamp location on left side.

Step 3 : You need to dismantle the boot cover, spare tyre, the accessories on the bottom section. Slowly peel the plastic cover one by one .

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Step 4 : Locate the positive wire ( Pink color ). Just like step 1, get another wire ( 1 meter ) to link with the positive wire.
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Step 5 : plug the wire and connect with the boot lamp. To make it simple, put the pink color on top and orange color on the bottom. Later you shall know which is Positive and which is negative.

Step 6 : Take the boot lamp plastic and connect it with LED light

Step 7 : Test with the LED and the wire connection.

Step 8 : If everything is alrite, assemble back the boot compartment and the boot light is completed.
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