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 °° LYN Honda Insight Owners Thread V4 °°,, The Power Of Hybrid. Owners Welcome ! !

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watonk
post Aug 22 2011, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Aug 21 2011, 10:12 PM)
took delivery of my insight today  wowowooww can balik kampung Raya in new car  rclxm9.gif  

still looking for my driving position and how to put my things. where do you guys place your smartag, sunglasses & coins?  rclxub.gif

on the way back, with econ off, why autostop activiated? i tot autostop only when econ on.  has anyone change tyres to 205 from the existing 185? if so, was it better and how much mileage do you lose?
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Dont you wanna try 195 1st? 205 on skinny rims could severely increase drag.

QUOTE(Deryck @ Aug 22 2011, 08:40 AM)
New owner here premium white juz delivered...
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Welcome to the world of hybrid....


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QUOTE(iTrump @ Aug 22 2011, 09:45 AM)
The honda service package price stated is including using the mineral oil. If wanna to use semi-syn oil, need top up difference of RM20++.
Read somewhere, it mentioned that mineral oil is good for 5k, while semi-syn is 7-8k. Since we are force by Honda to service every 5k interval, why not use the default mineral oil instead? I will opt to use default mineral oil for my 15k service n see the difference... update u guys then.. or anyone tried?
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Anybody gone through 15k, 20k, 25k services, what oil did they give? mineral or semi?

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watonk
post Aug 22 2011, 03:35 PM

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Anybody using fully syn and go for 10K interval?
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post Aug 24 2011, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(jacek @ Aug 24 2011, 09:37 AM)
u r right bro.
until today after 4months cruising this Insight, my colleagues and friends still not convince on the FC.
they simply ignore my statement on the FC with 18-19km/L.

they will said "yeah, the money u save, will be used for the ima battery replacement in  2-3yrs. so it is LPPL" ... haha
whatever.
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Asked them to test drive. Or even better, ask them to refuel and use that fuel until deplete. They will cry for one.
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post Aug 24 2011, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Aug 24 2011, 08:01 PM)
Barely 2 weeks ago, I just had my ICE upgraded over the weekend at an accessories shop. I had the original 4 speakers (looks like thin reflective plastic cone to me) pulled apart and re-use the speaker casing. 6.5" speakers will be able to fit nicely at door chasis. Just to share with you guys on the ICE installation:


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Congrat on you ICE upgrade. Your setup almost similar to infinitium's.

Didnt bother about warranty. We warrant the car ourselves tongue.gif

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post Aug 28 2011, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(mamamia_sh2o @ Aug 26 2011, 01:15 PM)
For those long use Insighter, 2 findings for discussion here...

Finding (1) Do you notice anything when rev up (2rpm) engine in P-gear or N-gear. Then let go accelerator, throttler then pull back the engine very quick to ~800rpm. You will notice that the exhaust will have some rattling sound. In fact, it sounds like the mis-firing..hehe kinda cool ...  I compare with other cars when rev up, the engine will be (very) slowly bringing the rpm down & exhaust doesn't have this rattling sound. Do you know why IMA engine has that?

Finding (2) I switched to "mileage left" menu while going up hill. Initially 500km left & rev ~2.5k rpm consistently till the top hill. At the hill top (flat road), its still 500km then suddenly when on down hill, the mileage drop 5km in resolution from 500km to 455km (typically 45km) quickly. But when back down from hill, the mileage again goes back up... to somewhere in 1km resolution (ie 467km). Is this program problem or something else?

Btw, reporting my FC here.
~14km/l - econ off + 80% hill ride
~19km/l - econ on + 80% highway ride

* Safe to say... its between 14km/l ~ 19km/l (worst & best) after 5 tong full pump.
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Missfire? U got engine prob bro tongue.gif
The on-board FC computer is quite accurate and able to provide almost real time FC and accurate total mileage prediction.

QUOTE(autobeng @ Aug 27 2011, 09:25 PM)
About accelerate, i think it is far better than some 1.5l car. If anyone feel its week, most likely because of phycology due to eco guide. Some people don't feel like press the gas till the meter turn green.

About japanese if smarter than Malaysian, it's a defnitely no no.
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Japanese not anymore clever than malaysian. Its individual + effort dependent. 1 negative attitude, japanese are suicidal. Other than that, their cautiousness on quality are better than malaysian. Something we need to seriously improve.


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post Aug 29 2011, 06:25 AM

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Dear Insight owner.

Please observe your front bumper. Yes its a bit sagging, obvious at the joint between fender and bumper. But do you notice the right side (left if you're sitting inside the car) sagged more than the other side (few mm). Its clear if you compare the gap between the bumper and headlights on both side.

I'm going to log a complaint and see where its going from there.
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post Aug 29 2011, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(jacek @ Aug 29 2011, 11:35 AM)
i did a quick survey and mostly commented that semi oil are adviseable to service every 5k km, but that is more applicable for car which frequently use for long distance drive and for car already clocked 100k km and above.
For new engine like us, it is ok to sustain up to 8k km, even Honda said it is ok and will not void any warranty (if anything happen to the engine).

Guess i will stick to 8k km, as already run 6k km now. going for 15k km service this Friday.
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That 15k is your 3rd or 4th service?

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post Sep 8 2011, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(jacek @ Sep 2 2011, 04:36 PM)
total damage for 4th service is RM251.17
breakdown as below:

1.Labour          - RM58.50
2.Engine oil      - RM117.41
3.Washer Drain - RM2.10
4.Oil Filter        - RM30.68
5.Alignment      - RM30
6.Balancing      - RM35

Item 2,3,4 entitle 15% discount ... d@mn, didnt know it was 25% discount promo end 31-Aug.

Question is:
1. is it neccessarily to do alignment and balancing every 15k km? As advise by SA, it is neccessarily eventhou we did not hit any pothole or etc.

2. is true that IMA battery still price at RM10k and above? SA said the price still at this range and the market mentioned RM6k for the battery wasnt true. Now I am thinking twice whether it is worth to drive Insight if the IMA batt cost RM10k and above

3. 20k km service will cost approx RM500 because of the air-cond filter change. Is it neccessarily to change air-cond filter every 20k km?

Any bros can advise?


Added on September 2, 2011, 4:38 pm

RM3k does it include front grill and spoiler?
If not, it is expensive. I found RM2xxx for all...include front, side, rear skirting, with mugen grill and spoiler.
price include installation.
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Just got my Insight serviced @ Honda Glenmarie. thumbup.gif .
I have enough faith for CBU car up to the extend i might get the maintenance to my own hands once i confirm there's nothing wrong with the car icon_rolleyes.gif .

QUOTE(chalex @ Sep 4 2011, 04:23 PM)
hi just need to check any member here change the cabin lighh to white led ?
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watonk
post Sep 12 2011, 03:55 PM

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I just notice that the IMA charging stops when the battery is fully charged doh.gif

Going down quite a big hill recently.
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post Sep 13 2011, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(mrsafwan @ Sep 13 2011, 03:26 PM)
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtests/2009...walkaround.html

check this one out.


Added on September 13, 2011, 3:28 pm"The Honda Insight's brakes use a single-piston sliding caliper and a one-piece ventilated rotor. The term "regenerative braking" is associated with hybrids, but that's an independent electricfied version of engine braking that has nothing whatsoever to do with the standard brake system, which operates in an utterly normal way"

it uses the crank rotation to charge the battery eh, instead of the brake itself.


Added on September 13, 2011, 3:31 pmi'm getting my insight this friday, do we need to 'break-in' the engine? what speed? coz i plan to go straight back to perak for the holiday. leceh la if have to 'break in' at slow speed
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Thats about rite. The only advantage in its brake is Creep Aid. The energy regeneration is reverse electric motor.

Its ok to varies the speed from 80 to 120km/h during engine break in. Dont stay at one speed only.
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post Sep 22 2011, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(iphone @ Sep 22 2011, 04:14 PM)
anyone know where is that reverse sensor buzzer fixed in the car? I wanna relocate it so that only audible from inside the car.  doh.gif  now engage reverse the car beep like a lorry in reverse. The whole world know I am reversing.  sweat.gif


Added on September 22, 2011, 4:33 pm
hehe nothing beats genuine leather texture and feel  wub.gif
I just love fondling the wheel each time I get into my car.  laugh.gif

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I think its somewhere under rear boot panel. right hand side if im not mistaken.
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post Sep 23 2011, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(yipguseng @ Sep 22 2011, 06:31 PM)
anybody having this issue on the steering? the part where the wiper is. It seems quite uneven on the connecting part.

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Me got but not as wide. Lets claim!


QUOTE(iphone @ Sep 22 2011, 06:55 PM)
rclxms.gif  hahaha ok ok feel better then.  tongue.gif

Yala seriously sound like lorry.  sweat.gif
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Only lacks that diesel clatter... tongue.gif
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post Sep 26 2011, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(xtrabite @ Sep 25 2011, 07:26 AM)
1st scenario
using fuel shell V-power RM62~ around 20 litres I think,
travel from JB to KL, with average speed mostly 140kph++, econ mode off,
stated in the car info panel, 15.6km/l

2nd scenario
using primax 95, econ mode on, cruise control mostly on,
but gain 19km/l

but for both scenario, based on fuel tank meter, the fuel use almost the same.  hmm.gif

by the way,
new white honda insight owner here, just got this car 3 days ago, but already travel 600km i think..  tongue.gif
working in JB..

I can join the club?  rclxm9.gif
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If u maintain 160km/h, the number will be around 14.5 to 15.0 km/l

QUOTE(orbclyne @ Sep 25 2011, 08:57 PM)
I experience something new last week. My battery IMA battery is totally flat during traffic jam. Although the car totally stop, the Electric engine is trying to charge the battery itself, can hear the electric engine running, the assist meter also showing it is charging. I thought something wrong. Anyone had experience this?
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IMA battery usually will force charge once the meter showing half or less. Go for check up.

QUOTE(hazremi @ Sep 25 2011, 10:06 PM)
if this car can go up to 20km/litre , means u can go up to 800km ?am i rite?
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Maintain 75-80km/h without much stops, u can get 25km/l so theoretically 40liters can cover more than 800km

QUOTE(chizzu @ Sep 26 2011, 12:27 PM)
please dont use auto cruise when raining or when the road is flat smile.gif

because your car trying to maintain the speed if the road is wet your tyre might hydroplane and might cause accident
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VSA and cruise should work simultaneously. Unless the driver panic.
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post Sep 29 2011, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(mrsafwan @ Sep 27 2011, 11:17 AM)
i agree. i have no qualms with ron95. my concern is my IMA. going uphill going on charge, going downhill also on charging. my ima battery end up full lehh..im gonna ask the service centre to have a look.
by the way, regarding ron95 and 97, i have 2 friend using insight and RON95 (both of em). here are simple stat from their fuelly.com data:

(a) their consumption is 6.0L/100km and 5.0L/100 km respectively, while my car is 4.7L/100km (RON97).

(b) cost per km is 9.6cents/km and 11.17 cents/km respectively while my car hovers at 13.1cents/km (RON97).

© for the same 3,000km (average travelling per month) basis, they will consume 150litres of fuel (5.0L/100km), 180litres of fuel (6.L/100km) while my car will only consume 141litres of fuel (4.7litre/100km) RON97.

(d) their average cost (based on 3,000km distance) would be RM285 (5.0litre/100km), RM342 (6.0litre/100km) respectively while i will fork out RM395 (4.7litre/100km).

in conclusion :

(a) ron97 gives slightly better mileage (4.7litre/100km) vs 5.0litre/100km.
(b) since ron97 costs RM2.80/litre, the average cost per km is at 2cents/km extra than RON95. if RON97 is priced at slightly RM2.50/litre i guess RON97 its worthwhile to use.

© for the same 3000km basis, RON97 will have to fork out extra RM50 for the same mileage, consider the extra RM50 for better acceleration and cleaner and smoother engine.
will i use ron97 again? i guess, weighing on the extra cost and the benefit it offers, i will definitely use ron97 for a cleaner and smoother engine in the long run.
all these are facts, compiled via fuelly.com. not some advert feel good feelings.

5.0L/100km (http://www.fuelly.com/driver/insectisight)

6.0L/100km (http://www.fuelly.com/driver/sheen86)

and my fuelly (http://www.fuelly.com/driver/dynoblue/insight)
feel free to discuss. thanks.
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Thank you for calculating that for me tongue.gif

QUOTE(psyeo @ Sep 27 2011, 10:08 PM)
Lol cannot compare to mine la,I'm a bad benchmark, my driving style/condition not the best for FC. My home to office less than 2km with 2 traffic light and 3 junctions. Thus very low speed travel <40km/h and start stop condition. While on highway/longer travel distance sometimes I FLOOR the accelerator for speed of more than 160km/h or when accelerating/overtakin/ hill climbing

Thus my not so good FC tongue.gif

if full tank fully travelling with FC in mind on highway or for longer distance travel, I should definitely be able to achieve <4.7/100km.

Try pressing harder on the accelerator or set it on cruise control while climbing hill, You should see more assist when the car try to maintain the speed
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Try finding longer way round with less obstacle to your office. The fuel cost might be the same tongue.gif

QUOTE(n00b123 @ Sep 28 2011, 02:24 PM)
sensor included...otherwise, it will be priced around 1k...just the same like for vios and city
actually, that guy also told me..if i were to fork out my own $$ for windscreen, can get a cheaper windscreen without the sensor or move the sensor to elsewhere
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Its the glass that matter. The sensor (near rearview mirror) is an optical sensor and is always there. Using thinner or thicker glass and/or glass with different purity (cheaper) will affect the optical reading and render the sensor useless. The best thing to do, even if we quoted with cheap glass, asked them to guarantee that the sensor will work.

QUOTE(irwan.chemat @ Sep 29 2011, 10:23 AM)
Hello there..have anyone came across with this issue...??

Low fuel alarm sounded with yellow led lit...then immediately i went to petrol station for refueling with only RM10 purchase. When finished, the alarm stays there and fuel meter does not show any increase at all. Again..i top up another RM10 and still the same. Finally..i filled RM20 and the fuel meter shoot up amazingly fast.
Kind of weird...i experimented this twice..seems like RM10 petrol the car does not "layan" at all...minimum RM20 is ok..

Other than that...the remaining range on multi information display is not really correct at all...sometime it reduce very fast..ie..the car moves 1 km but the range deducted 2km..
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Irwan: Ayyo need to topup fuel. RM10 enoughlah.
Insight: RM10? really?
Insight: RM10 again? really?
Insight: RM20? Thats rite. I'll update the gauge.
Irwan: #%^&*%^#@T^!!
Insight: U can buy me cheap but i'm not cheap tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Oct 10 2011, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(STC @ Oct 10 2011, 01:44 PM)
If our driving condition is mostly below 32C, we only need to service every 12000KM. I have no idea why we are forced to change oil every 5000km because my driving hardly comes under "severe". HM and proton too are ripping us by forcing us to service every 5000km.

I have done about 1500km and only once the outside temperature was briefly above 32C. So I think it is time to ask HM and also other car dealers in Mlaysia why the 5000km service? Anyone with me?
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Owners should make a complaint. I have personally called up a few service manager to convey my message.
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post Oct 12 2011, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(STC @ Oct 10 2011, 07:55 PM)
I am planning to make an official complaint about the required every 5000KM service. I probably need many signatories as I believe that it is unethical to force customers to service car more often than required. If you guys remember that in 1997 when Peugeot launch the cars, one of their selling point was service was only required every 10000KM. I have checked with US maintenace manual and it also recommend something like 12000km under normal driving condition.

I think for a gentle use of a hybrid car, synthetic oil is unnecessary unless you expose your car to high revs. There are several automotive blogs explaining the difference between mineral and syntheitic oil.

Meanwhile, did HM overcharged us for the Insight? The government said zero duties so why are we paying RM99800 for a US19000 car? Even after adding the sales tax, it is still expensive. Our Honda Insight is the lowest of model of the insight.
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Please go ahead. I believe not only all of us here, but our friend in City and Civic will also join the movement.

10k interval should be ok. Modern engine. For Insight, it should been longer than 5k interval as our engine shuts off when stationary. That alone saves plenty of engine operating hours and could extend engine oil life on specific mileage.
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post Dec 20 2011, 05:04 PM

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Hi guys..

Been busy for quite sometimes... so where were we?

I've clocked my Insight over 20k. So far zero complain, and the car seems smoother and more refine as days passed by. The engine felt lighter. The suspension holds its qualities very well.
I've fully utilize the car, full throttled it, thrash it, going places with it all the way to north and east coast, so far no problem and i fully satisfied with this purchase.

Now i have convinced myself that the hybrid technology is really relevant. I used to think that these hybrid etc is just 'gimmick', if not because of my other half really liked the car, i wouldnt buy it last March.

Still early to conclude, since the IMA battery still strong. I might change my opinion next time if the car breakdown etc.
Or I might face difficulties to choose my next car; at least it have to be as economical, coz i already used to travel 600km++ for RM60. The only choice might be ct200. Time will tell.

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QUOTE(mrsafwan @ Dec 20 2011, 05:09 PM)
nice, i never doubt that.

just that someone was saying 20km/l in unachievable.
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Why not? I used to clocked 30+ km/l in a single journey.
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QUOTE(ckk125 @ Dec 20 2011, 05:11 PM)
i tried not to interfere, but sometimes abit too much la..

i also test drive the insight and the altis 2.0.

dont say feel, even the 0-100 numbers clearly shows which is faster.
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I would put it almost 'similar' sprint time..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuldyhRJ5e0

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post Dec 21 2011, 09:04 AM

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[quote=STC,Dec 20 2011, 05:57 PM]
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Bro, how did you do that? Roll down all thw way from Genting? Hehehehehe...

Ok on serious note, I am not sure if the indicator is 100% accurate. In Kl driving I get about 620KM for RM55 with another 100 plus km to go.

Today, I was trying my best to go above 25km/l and it just refuse to go up easily but once I reach Sg besi High way and MRR2 I drove like normal cars with many blue speedo but it quickly reach 25.4KM/l. Maybe, quick accelaration and go easy on the gsd pedal saves more fuel than gradual acceleration. I read something to the same effect in some hypermiling article.

Here is my screen for the three stops.

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[quote=mrsafwan,Dec 20 2011, 11:07 PM]
[quote=watonk,Dec 20 2011, 05:20 PM]
Why not? I used to clocked 30+ km/l in a single journey.
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wahhhh....30++?? and also the bar reaches to the full...howdya do that my friend??
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Its was a cold night, i didnt turn on the aircond. Around 10 km journey coming back from town. Engine warmed and just nice. Free flowing traffic without any stops. Not much of hill decent but i remembered optimizing the battery mode that night. As i arrive and hold on to auto-stop, i scroll the MID and found out i've achieved my best run.

I believe anybody can achieve the same results. Especially those Insight which have gone through some mileage with properly seasoned engine.

Prius publish their FC as 38km/l. Maybe they did similar run and achieve such result. But in real world Prius FC just around 20km/l.


Added on December 21, 2011, 9:16 am[quote=br3akerz,Dec 20 2011, 05:24 PM]
i'm comparing the quality of the material from my opinion... this is free country, free speech..

not to say to insult the insight owners here, but the meter should be not like 'sticker' meter on the tachometer... maybe upgrade to LCD panel screen meter alike...
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Ya i notice that when testing the car last time. That actually not sticker, but semi-transparent layer of blue and red with led/bulb behind it, which lit up when the car switched on. Some of us so used to plain/ bare meter with only white font and black background, so its hard to accept the insight coloured meter initially.

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QUOTE(chris_tco @ Dec 22 2011, 03:10 PM)
how's the service quality of HZN?
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Excellent. Free wash. Not overfilling the engine oil. Balance oil automatically return to owner. Some SC need to ask for that oil if not they will keep for themselves.

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