Well I do have rich friends but most of them are dealing with illegal biz and I don't want to be a part of that. I don't want to say that I'm rich but I'm a lot more well off than a lot of people I've met. I'm grateful for that every single day. I'm grateful that I can spend more time with my mom who was diagnosed with cancer than chasing something materialistic.

Dreamer, what's rich to you?
Different people have different views to what actually constitutes a person to be rich.
Why are you forcing your ideas on others like that?
What you're trying to say is to tell people to take thigs for granted and always seek and strive to be the best.

In this world, you can never be the best. You will always find someone better than you. Then yes, it's good to learn from people who are better than you and always be humble no matter how smart people say you are. Even if you're the best badminton player for this year , you can't be the best forever.

I agree. People who work with passion and interest will gradually develop the knack of it and become skilled and could then demand a higher pay for it. Yes I agree with this but theres nothing wrong to people who are average. If there's no average people, you can't be the best. If everyone is good at what they dO, this will result in stiff competition. Just like in Korea, I have so many Korean friends. They work so hard. I never really see them having fun. Why do you want to migrate to australia I ask?
There's too much people in Korea. Competition is too high. I can't be the best in Korea but I am at least good in Australia.

Take it easy, mate. Enjoy life as it comes. Never give up and grab golden opportunities when you sense them. Live life moderately and be grateful of what you have then saying to yourself "this is not enough, I need more. I need to try harder"

You know there's always opportunity cost in every  choice u make. U learn this in economics. If you value in being the best and being rich then u need to forego something in return. If ure willing to sacrifice for example time with your kids, going out with ur mates, getting enough sleep. Then yeah sure.

I dont know dreamer but the way you're presenting this whole thing is kinda focus on how to get rich. And how average people are just losers. I just find that a bit offensive. Eg. A stay at home mom decides to sacrifice get career to bring up her 2 lovely kids. That's normal. It's parental love. It's unconditional. She's willing to sacrifice a career and bring up her kids. So would u then say she's not successful? Not the best? Just average person who will never get rich? Different people have different thing that gives them satisfactiOn in life. Who are you to say what people should be aiming for? To be te best and be rich? I think that's a load of crap.

Well I do have rich friends but most of them are dealing with illegal biz and I don't want to be a part of that. I don't want to say that I'm rich but I'm a lot more well off than a lot of people I've met. I'm grateful for that every single day. I'm grateful that I can spend more time with my mom who was diagnosed with cancer than chasing something materialistic.

another fella    this is not about happy + rich or happy = rich 
this is about being above average and getting rich and happy indirectly 

Yes u can continue be grateful.

But here are people father pass away while young, single mother brought up six kid.  Everday worry about food, need to borrow money from relative and frend, sometime eat from leftover from dunno how many day before. Everyday live in fear, with no shelter as no money to pay rent.

Can u look at this positively, people work hard because they dun want to go back to kind of life, WTF wrong with u guys keep telling people dun aim for money and money is not everything, have u ever go through days without  food, have u seen your younger sibling go hungry and your old mother sacrfice for u just to place food on the table.
have u have lie and steal to feed your family ?

different people different motivation, is not always about u, have u ever reach suicidal stage on your life, why why i have this kind of life, to end your life is easy, but about your young sibling and your mother
 
sometime people want to work hard and repay their parent kindness.  And that why people want to be above average and to get rich. 

Why are you questioning dreamer's definition of "rich". Hes obviously referring to wealth (financially). This thread has been going to 5 pages already, you still have no clue what dreamer trying to tell? Everybody wants to achieve financial independent, wealthy, rich or whatever they want to put it. If you are not, then why bother clicking into this thread? Moreover, the way you are going at him is completely baseless or should i say it is your own emotional outburst.

1) In this world, you can never be the best.

2) I agree. People who work with passion and interest will gradually develop the knack of it and become skilled and could then demand a higher pay for it.

3) You know there's always opportunity cost in every  choice u make.

4) Well I do have rich friends but most of them are dealing with illegal biz

5) I'm grateful that I can spend more time with my mom who was diagnosed with cancer than chasing something materialistic.

Dreamer oh dreamer. Always talking like the almighty one. No offence anyway.

1) You're not answering waxppl's question. What does one do when they doesn't really know what their interests is?
2) You can't force manners from people. In this case, debbieyss.

What is the difference between attitude and behavior?

waxppl,

Is your goal is ONLY just to be good??  Aka, not the BEST in the world?? In Malaysia??

<<i found out i can be good at anything as long as i put effort. so actually after that i believe that interest can be build.>>

But, will you be THE BEST??  Is good = good enough for you??

Dreamer

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Added on August 19, 2011, 5:53 am
I think you missed my question. Yes I understand people need to be passionate in what they are doing in order for them to be above average in their career.

My question is: What if someone like me, who doesn't have passionate or interest in any particular job. Am I born to be average?? You can't expect everyone is born and gifted with some particular interest. right?

howszat,

<<If the way you want to live your life is to be average, >>

If that is a person's goal, WHY even bother reading this thread??

Dreamer

You said: "YOU need to live your own life. Not anyone's else life."

But, according to your thread topic, if I want to be rich, I need to live someone else's life. Because if I continue to live my own average life, I'll be average forever, and never rich.

Can you make up your mind as to what you are actually saying?

I am NOT normal.  I actually read the university handbook completely a few times. 

They had to create a form and ask me to ask my DEAN to certify my job is related to my degree (EE).  I won!!  Subsequently, every foreign students worked at university get waiver too.

Dreamer ,

What if I am excel in a field which I did not choose yet I choose the field which I believe I could excel in ? Please do provide guidance . I'm in the dilemma.  Thanks .

anzen600,

1) Use short sentence if your English grammar is no good.

2) Excel as in BEST of the world?? I doubt that.  Are you making at least above 10K per month??

3) Take MBTI test.

Dreamer

howszat,

Which ONE is YOUR LIFE??

A) Average

B) Rich

Pick ONE.  Then, that is YOUR LIFE.  So, how could you live someone's else life?? (A) and (B) are mutually exclusive.  They are INCOMPATIBLE.  YOU cannot have both.  That is the BOTTOM LINE.

The PROBLEM is MOST people cannot accept that.  They do not want to put in the EXTRA EFFORT but they still want to be RICH.  That is the AVERAGE PEOPLE's THINKING and they WHINE all the time.

The HORRIBLE THING is if they use their time and energy SPENT on whining to do something productive, they might get somewhere

YOU know what I am saying.  It is just that you cannot accept it. 

Dreamer

Reading handbooks from start to finish is a low ROI activity.

You haven't told us how much time you wasted on all the other handbooks/manuals you read in your life with no returns at all.

anzen600,

1) Use short sentence if your English grammar is no good.

Nothing to do with accepting.

If I want to be average, rich is irrelevant.

If I want to be rich, average is irrelevant.

What's the point of pointing out that being average is not rich?

So you need to construct your Topics better: "If you want to be rich, you are not allowed to be average, and you are not allowed to live your own life".

howszat,

1) I am a SPEED READER. 

2) In this case, it saves me USD 6K to USD 10K per year for 3 to 4 years about 20+ years ago.  How much ROI is this.

<<You haven't told us how much time you wasted on all the other handbooks/manuals you read in your life with no returns at all.>>

3) If you CHOOSE not to put in the EXTRA EFFORT, why worry about ME putting in the EXTRA EFFORT??

4) I can finish a handbook / manual much faster than most people spending time whining about reading the manual.

The CHOICE is simple for ME.  Whine or read the manual.  A person definitely get NOTHING from whining.

I made my choice.  I know I have to read a lot of manuals in my life.  Instead of whining about it, I LEARN how to read much much faster than average people.  Average people WHINE non-stop about this.

This is LIFE.  You either face the challenge head on.  Or, run away.

Dreamer

howszat,

"If you want to be rich, you are not allowed to be average, and you are not allowed to live your own life".

If you CHOOSE to be RICH, how can that be NOT your own life?? You choose it.  Hence, it is YOUR LIFE..

Unless, you are the kind of person that say what you BELIEVE and what you DO cannot be the same??

I don't.

Dreamer

another fella    this is not about happy + rich or happy = rich 
this is about being above average and getting rich and happy indirectly 

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Added on August 19, 2011, 1:21 pm

can u be more specific, i can read your mind,
u want to ask how Dreamer is above average and is he RICH aka alot of money, tio boh? 

B u B u,

If YOU are a person that DO what you BELIEVE, there is NO DIFFERENCE.  If not,

A) Attitude is what you BELIEVE you are.

B) Behavior is what you ACTUALLY do.
waxppl,

Dreamer