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Geminist
post Dec 23 2005, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Dec 23 2005, 05:57 PM)
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Let me play devil advocate here.  Given that Public Bank counter is having dividend yield of 7%, you could earn 7% annualy just by buying Publicv Bank counter. So why do anyone want to take substantial risk on investing on all those risky stuff when they are not offering any substantial higher return??

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I never really come across anything from Public Bank that offers 7% yield ... Could you please direct us to the details?

*I tried to look for it but I still can't find it now*

Thank you ...
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post Dec 23 2005, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(Geminist @ Dec 23 2005, 06:56 PM)
I never really come across anything from Public Bank that offers 7% yield ... Could you please direct us to the details?

*I tried to look for it but I still can't find it now*

Thank you ...
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It is the share of Public Bank itself. You become the share holder of Public Bank..

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post Dec 25 2005, 11:53 AM

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^IPO? In Bursa Malaysia?

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post Dec 26 2005, 01:03 AM

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I read an article in The Star newspaper not long ago about investing in watch. I mean real branded watch. Has anyone heard of it? After reading the article, I realise it's a good investment. The price doesn't depreciate. Really?
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post Dec 26 2005, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(emarts1 @ Dec 26 2005, 01:03 AM)
I read an article in The Star newspaper not long ago about investing in watch. I mean real branded watch. Has anyone heard of it? After reading the article, I realise it's a good investment. The price doesn't depreciate. Really?
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Yeap, I read it too! However, I don't know how it really works. If you wish to sell your watches, how do you go about selling them and where? Can watches be considered as a type of liquid asset? I personally feel watches are not liquid.
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Hope it won't be ended up in a direct sales/MLM scheme. tongue.gif

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post Dec 26 2005, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(Chronox @ Dec 26 2005, 01:24 AM)
Yeap, I read it too! However, I don't know how it really works. If you wish to sell your watches, how do you go about selling them and where? Can watches be considered as a type of liquid asset? I personally feel watches are not liquid.
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Agree with you. Maybe in the auctions like ebay.
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post Dec 28 2005, 02:01 AM

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whoa finally found this thread cos i love to invest laugh.gif
ei about the watch thing they will gif u a paper or something that will proof that it is real and about the value i think it will appreciate la cos u say investing in it ma
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QUOTE(Geminist @ Dec 23 2005, 06:56 PM)
I never really come across anything from Public Bank that offers 7% yield ... Could you please direct us to the details?

*I tried to look for it but I still can't find it now*

Thank you ...
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actually there was a fund which gave a return of 108% in 5 years it works out to be around 15% or higher per annum which is quite good but then again unless your pretty sure about this many things in investment that u need to know to get this kind of return yourself
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post Dec 28 2005, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Dec 23 2005, 08:07 PM)
It is the share of Public Bank itself. You become the share holder of Public Bank..

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If you are looking for yield,there are many loan stock listed in Bursa which give you better interest return than Fixed Deposits. But be forewarned that you also have to take other factors into consideration if you choose to invest in these loan stocks,ie:

1.convertability and the conversion ratio into the mother share,

2.coupon rate, drool.gif

3.duration to maturity, ohmy.gif

4.rated by any rating agency,

5.borrower's ability to repay on maturity (for redeemable loan Stock) doh.gif
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post Dec 28 2005, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(lklatmy @ Dec 28 2005, 10:26 AM)
If you are looking for yield,there are many loan stock listed in Bursa which give you better interest  return than Fixed Deposits. But be forewarned that you also have to take other factors into consideration if you choose to invest in these loan stocks,ie:

1.convertability and the conversion ratio into the mother share,

2.coupon rate, drool.gif

3.duration to maturity, ohmy.gif

4.rated by any rating agency,

5.borrower's ability to repay on maturity (for redeemable loan Stock) doh.gif
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Yes, there might be many many other alternatives that give better better yield BUT it is at significant higher risk than Public Bank Share.

Could you suggest/recommend/show an example of a loan stock that give better yield at not much higher risk than Public Bank Share?? Please noted that Malaysia will not allow Public bank to go bankrupt not matter what. Does the same thing apply to loan stock??

Please educate me...

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post Dec 28 2005, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(lklatmy @ Dec 28 2005, 10:26 AM)
If you are looking for yield,there are many loan stock listed in Bursa which give you better interest  return than Fixed Deposits. But be forewarned that you also have to take other factors into consideration if you choose to invest in these loan stocks,ie:

1.convertability and the conversion ratio into the mother share,

2.coupon rate, drool.gif

3.duration to maturity, ohmy.gif

4.rated by any rating agency,

5.borrower's ability to repay on maturity (for redeemable loan Stock) doh.gif
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Dec 28 2005, 01:42 PM)
Yes, there might be many many other alternatives that give better better yield BUT it is at significant  higher risk than Public Bank Share.

Could you suggest/recommend/show an example of a loan stock that give better yield at not much higher risk than Public Bank Share??  Please noted that Malaysia will not allow Public bank to go bankrupt not matter what.  Does the same thing apply to loan stock??

Please educate me...

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I thuoght I was quite clear in my posting that there are several other factors to be taken into consideration when investing in loan stocks. tongue.gif

Of course,risk wise,it is much much safer to invest in Public bank and no one will doubt this. biggrin.gif

In the abv posting,the first line itself I made it clear that if one is looking for YIELD,you can consider Loan stocks and I am not proposing that loan stock is in anyway safer than Public Bank.that's not what I meant and I apologise if my posting led you to that.

For discussion,let's look at Jetson loan stock.The price now is 60 sen and the coupon rate is 5%.That means for every Rm600(not including cost of acquiring)invested,the yearly interest receiveable is Rm50 and that is a return of approx. 8.5%.notwithstanding this ,if the price of the mother share goes down,you will lose out because the price of the loan stock should move in unison.Conversely,if the price of the mother share goes up,you will enjoy capital appreciation.

(Disclaimer:this is not a recommedation on the above securities and I am not responsible if any loss is suffered by any person due to this article/posting)
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post Dec 28 2005, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(lklatmy @ Dec 28 2005, 04:01 PM)
I thuoght I was quite clear in my posting that there are several other factors to be taken into consideration when investing in loan stocks. tongue.gif

Of course,risk wise,it is much much safer to invest in Public bank and no one will doubt this. biggrin.gif

In the abv posting,the first line itself I made it clear that if one is looking for YIELD,you can consider Loan stocks and I am not proposing that loan stock is in anyway safer than Public Bank.that's not what I meant and I apologise if my posting led you to that.

For discussion,let's look at Jetson loan stock.The price now is 60 sen and the coupon rate is 5%.That means for every Rm600(not including cost of acquiring)invested,the yearly interest receiveable is Rm50 and that is a return of approx. 8.5%.notwithstanding this ,if the price of the mother share goes down,you will lose out because the price of the loan stock should move in unison.Conversely,if the price of the mother share goes up,you will enjoy capital appreciation.

(Disclaimer:this is not a recommedation  on the above securities and I am not responsible if any loss is suffered by any person due to this article/posting)
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Let's continue the discussion, if I am interested in taking a bit more risk, I could have have buy Dutch Lady share at 12.2% dividend yield and this is a safer buy than Jetson. From a risk versus return stand point, it might be a better buy.

(Disclaimer:this is not a recommedation on the above securities and I am not responsible if any loss is suffered by any person due to this article/posting)

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Dec 28 2005, 04:21 PM)
Let's continue the discussion, if I am interested in taking a bit more risk, I could have have buy Dutch Lady share at 12.2% dividend yield and this is a safer buy than Jetson.  From a risk versus return stand point, it might be a better buy.

(Disclaimer:this is not a recommedation  on the above securities and I am not responsible if any loss is suffered by any person due to this article/posting)

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hei dun forget that dutch lady shares are expensive and the dividend yield is according to it's par value! so this yield is worse compare to jetson.
btw u guys are anaylst? u keep putting this message below laugh.gif
(Disclaimer:this is not a recommedation on the above securities and I am not responsible if any loss is suffered by any person due to this article/posting)

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post Dec 29 2005, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 28 2005, 10:03 PM)
hei dun forget that dutch lady shares are expensive and the dividend yield is according to it's par value! so this yield is worse compare to jetson.
btw u guys are anaylst? u keep putting this message below laugh.gif
(Disclaimer:this is not a recommedation  on the above securities and I am not responsible if any loss is suffered by any person due to this article/posting)
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Are you sure about that?? As far as I know, nobody calculate dividend yield based on par value. It is always based on actual share price...

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post Dec 29 2005, 12:25 AM

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omg the your totally wrong they calculate dividend base on the par value for stock market if not then why dun u get maxis? their dividend is 300+% if i remember correctly la .... like that means we get almost 30 ringgit per share liao!
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 29 2005, 12:25 AM)
omg the your totally wrong they calculate dividend base on the par value for stock market if not then why dun u get maxis? their dividend is 300+% if i remember correctly la .... like that means we get almost 30 ringgit per share  liao!
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About dividend yield.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/dividendyield.asp

Since one must own a stock to get dividend, is it possible to sell option? Like covered call in Malaysia?

Are there any website that compiles data on dividend issues of Malaysian stocks?
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http://biz.thestar.com.my/marketwatch/bonus/


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Does this makes us look sophisticated?. I think so. whistling.gif

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post Dec 29 2005, 02:20 AM

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i know about this but what he is talking there is totally different not the dividend yield per share rate the yield in the stock market in the newspapers u see is actually according to par value
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Let me add my 2 sen.

Dividend declared is based on par value.eg ,par value is Rm1,dividend of 15% will be Rm150 and after lessing out S108 credit of 28%,the receipient actually receives Rm 108.if the shareholding is 1000shares.

Dividend yield is based on mkt price.In the abv eg,if the mkt price is Rm3,the div yield will be 150/3000 viz 5% only.

As for the disclaimer I included,it is because only persons licensed under the Securities Industries Act can give advice on investment.Though I am licensed to do so,I woudn't want to be seen as providing advice in a community forum like LYN.In addition to that,I may be sued if someone actually invested based on my posting and the decision may actually turn bad. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 29 2005, 12:25 AM)
omg the your totally wrong they calculate dividend base on the par value for stock market if not then why dun u get maxis? their dividend is 300+% if i remember correctly la .... like that means we get almost 30 ringgit per share  liao!
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 29 2005, 02:20 AM)
i know about this but what he is talking there is totally different not the dividend yield per share rate the yield in the stock market in the newspapers u see is actually according to par value
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I am taking about dividend yield. It is based on market price. And, Maxis dividend yield as per today Star's newspaper is 5.6%.

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