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dreamer101
post Sep 26 2005, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(ky_khor @ Sep 21 2005, 01:46 AM)
- save ur money in bank = buried underground.

1 year 3.7% interest. if only u hav 100k in bank, the inflation > interest.

check how much the interest generate VS the extra money u pay after the price of the petrol increase.

remember 10k now is not 10k after 5 years. quoted in a book:

"bank is a place where dumb people put their money inside to let the wise people use them for investment and become richer."
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Hi,

1) The one year FD with the rate of 3.7% does not require 100K. I know because I have a FD with only 5K.

2) Do you know how to do your own calculation as to what is the actual return for insurance?? Are you certain that the return is more than 3.7% per year??

3) Buying and selling share: Have anyone look at how much commission you need to pay for buying and selling shares?? I believe that you need to buy around 20K to 30K RM worth of share and the share need to go up enough for a person to do not lose money.

4) I know I am dumb so I put my money in the bank's FD. I know I am not smart enough to deal with share. Plus, from my own calculation the FD return is better than insurance..

5) Unit trust -> Do you know what is annual maintenance fee for the unit trust?? It is fairly high and teh unit trust need to make enough to cover that expenses..

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dreamer101
post Oct 6 2005, 04:50 PM

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Hi,

One rule: the "Sleep at night" test. If you cannot sleep at night due to the kind of investment you have, it is time to change your investment. If you cannot sleep, all bet is off regardless how good the investment is.

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dreamer101
post Oct 20 2005, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(Geminist @ Oct 20 2005, 01:40 AM)
Erm, yes, frankly speaking.... Most veteran investors don't really look too much on Malaysia's share market....

The reason behind it's because alot of listed companies are run by not so honest business people ...

That is one of the reason why I changed my mind about increasing my investment in mutual fund smile.gif
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Hi,

http://flagship4.vanguard.com/VGApp/hnw/Fu...&FundIntExt=INT

I am not very smart and hardworking as far as invetsment is concerned. For those people that are outisde of Malaysia and can invest in this. This is what I invest: VSMGX

One mutual fund that is allocated to 4 mutual funds. It is divesified to 2,000 US stocks, 3,000 US bonds, and about 200 stocks around the world.

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dreamer101
post Oct 26 2005, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(Truth Practitioner @ Oct 25 2005, 09:59 PM)
Haha! Personally I feel there's no politics involved directly in the share market. Note the word "directly".


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Hi,
Given that 30% or more of KLSE is owned by Government Linked Corporation or Government Linked Investment Corporations and Government is influenced by politic, you are clearly wrong in your assessment.

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dreamer101
post Oct 31 2005, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(khoong25 @ Oct 31 2005, 11:29 AM)
Malaysia is slowly suffering from the ringgit peg as inflation is starting to bite.  If the gov doesn't change anything, the ringgit will just slowly lose its value...

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Hi,

Ringgit was unpegged with USD the same day that China was.


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dreamer101
post Nov 6 2005, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(Silveru @ Nov 6 2005, 03:55 PM)

e) Property (This is for high rollers. Haha... Anyways can help on this a lil as was working as a sales executive for mortgages for high end properties)

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Hi,

There is an alternative way to play property. It is called Real Estate Investment Trust (REIT). You can buy and sell unit in REIT in small quantity. There are small number of REIT (3, I think) in Malaysia but more are coming out.

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dreamer101
post Dec 23 2005, 05:57 PM

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All,

Let me play devil advocate here. Given that Public Bank counter is having dividend yield of 7%, you could earn 7% annualy just by buying Publicv Bank counter. So why do anyone want to take substantial risk on investing on all those risky stuff when they are not offering any substantial higher return??

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post Dec 23 2005, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(Geminist @ Dec 23 2005, 06:56 PM)
I never really come across anything from Public Bank that offers 7% yield ... Could you please direct us to the details?

*I tried to look for it but I still can't find it now*

Thank you ...
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It is the share of Public Bank itself. You become the share holder of Public Bank..

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post Dec 28 2005, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(lklatmy @ Dec 28 2005, 10:26 AM)
If you are looking for yield,there are many loan stock listed in Bursa which give you better interest  return than Fixed Deposits. But be forewarned that you also have to take other factors into consideration if you choose to invest in these loan stocks,ie:

1.convertability and the conversion ratio into the mother share,

2.coupon rate, drool.gif

3.duration to maturity, ohmy.gif

4.rated by any rating agency,

5.borrower's ability to repay on maturity (for redeemable loan Stock) doh.gif
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Yes, there might be many many other alternatives that give better better yield BUT it is at significant higher risk than Public Bank Share.

Could you suggest/recommend/show an example of a loan stock that give better yield at not much higher risk than Public Bank Share?? Please noted that Malaysia will not allow Public bank to go bankrupt not matter what. Does the same thing apply to loan stock??

Please educate me...

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post Dec 28 2005, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(lklatmy @ Dec 28 2005, 04:01 PM)
I thuoght I was quite clear in my posting that there are several other factors to be taken into consideration when investing in loan stocks. tongue.gif

Of course,risk wise,it is much much safer to invest in Public bank and no one will doubt this. biggrin.gif

In the abv posting,the first line itself I made it clear that if one is looking for YIELD,you can consider Loan stocks and I am not proposing that loan stock is in anyway safer than Public Bank.that's not what I meant and I apologise if my posting led you to that.

For discussion,let's look at Jetson loan stock.The price now is 60 sen and the coupon rate is 5%.That means for every Rm600(not including cost of acquiring)invested,the yearly interest receiveable is Rm50 and that is a return of approx. 8.5%.notwithstanding this ,if the price of the mother share goes down,you will lose out because the price of the loan stock should move in unison.Conversely,if the price of the mother share goes up,you will enjoy capital appreciation.

(Disclaimer:this is not a recommedation  on the above securities and I am not responsible if any loss is suffered by any person due to this article/posting)
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Let's continue the discussion, if I am interested in taking a bit more risk, I could have have buy Dutch Lady share at 12.2% dividend yield and this is a safer buy than Jetson. From a risk versus return stand point, it might be a better buy.

(Disclaimer:this is not a recommedation on the above securities and I am not responsible if any loss is suffered by any person due to this article/posting)

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post Dec 29 2005, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 28 2005, 10:03 PM)
hei dun forget that dutch lady shares are expensive and the dividend yield is according to it's par value! so this yield is worse compare to jetson.
btw u guys are anaylst? u keep putting this message below laugh.gif
(Disclaimer:this is not a recommedation  on the above securities and I am not responsible if any loss is suffered by any person due to this article/posting)
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Are you sure about that?? As far as I know, nobody calculate dividend yield based on par value. It is always based on actual share price...

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post Dec 29 2005, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 29 2005, 12:25 AM)
omg the your totally wrong they calculate dividend base on the par value for stock market if not then why dun u get maxis? their dividend is 300+% if i remember correctly la .... like that means we get almost 30 ringgit per share  liao!
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 29 2005, 02:20 AM)
i know about this but what he is talking there is totally different not the dividend yield per share rate the yield in the stock market in the newspapers u see is actually according to par value
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I am taking about dividend yield. It is based on market price. And, Maxis dividend yield as per today Star's newspaper is 5.6%.

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(Disclaimer:this is not a recommedation on the above securities and I am not responsible if any loss is suffered by any person due to this article/posting)
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post Jan 7 2006, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(mobiusone @ Jan 7 2006, 02:47 PM)
paper trading means that you trade something with no real money involved.Its like playing a game,thats all.Like...you wanted to test your trading skills,but of course it is a bit risky to test it with real money,so you just test it in paper trade with virtual money and stuff.
selling the stock in the same day you brought it is called contra or something like that...pros here,am i rite?
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If your stock is doubling everyday, how long can you hold on??
Answer the question if the stock is worth

1) USD $10K

2) USD $100K

3) USD $1Million

4) USD $10 Millions

You can paper trade all your lfie but until you really face this kind of situation, you will not know what is your answer.

I know a person that was sitting on USD 10 millions dollar profit but the stock is doubling every day and he did not sell.. So, in the end, the whole 10 million profit is gone.. Was he greedy?? Yes. But, we are all greedy..

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post Jan 8 2006, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jan 8 2006, 12:03 AM)
If the stock doubles every day, then you should maybe wake up from your dream. smile.gif
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I guess you had never face such situation. If you did, you could not sleep at night. Much less dreaming..

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post Jan 9 2006, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(lklatmy @ Jan 9 2006, 09:33 AM)
I'm not sure.But some overseas mkt like Hong Kong,China or Taiwan hv shorter settlement period than Malaysia.
Of course!Conversely,if u made losses,you hv to pay. wink.gif
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In USA, it is 3 days for settlement period...

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post Jan 9 2006, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jan 9 2006, 12:45 AM)
Not sure if that's possible. At the most it can go up 30% a day before it hits the upside limit (limit up.) I week maximum = 30x7 = 210% or just over twice the price.
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Limit up rule only implemented a few years ago.. There was time where there is no such thing as limit up...

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QUOTE(mobiusone @ Jan 9 2006, 10:07 AM)
wha?
in this country rite?
other countries like the US has it a long time ago
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It depends on what is your definition of a long time ago..

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post Jan 18 2006, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 18 2006, 11:02 PM)
Just to add some point regarding the dividend yield

The calculation = total dividend per year/share price

It is correct Maxis gave out 400+% dividend in a year but Maxis par value is only 10c not as usual RM1 for most stock so is around 40+c per stock which is turn the dividend yield is 0.40/8.6 = 4.6%

For this few years, a handful of company give out good dividend yield because there are abundant of acculumated cash in their bank balance and found out no much opportunity (economy quite in stagnant stage) to reinvest, therefore you see a lot of capital repayment, special dividends etc but this doesn't necessary sustainable and some may be one off so be care when studying their dividend yield is one off or not and long term high dividend is only sustainable with sustainable profit every year.
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Cherroy,

Agreed with your statement about dividend is only sustainable with sustainable profit.

Banking in Malaysia has a margin of 3% to 4% (the difference between loan and deposit rate). Only in the case of high bad loan, it is not profitable. So, it is highly profitable in general. Do your own research to verify whether I am saying is true..

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post Jan 19 2006, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 18 2006, 11:53 PM)
yup, what dreamer said is true, if not bad loan all banks are highly profitable with the margin around 3% because banks in Malaysia is well protected by the gov with the widespread between BLR and FD rate.

Pbbank is the top most well-managed bank which has default loan less than 3%. Ambank top the default list with 12% and average default loan is around 6% if not mistaken. Actually pbbank is the one of the blue chips which long term investor should be paying attention on.

What I am trying to highlight is the situation involving the plantation sector few years back.
Previous few year when CPO at the level of RM2000 all plantation stock has 10+% dividend yield so dividend is declared in the form of like final dividend 30c + special dividend 50c = 80c if the share price is RM8 then dividend yield is like 10% but with CPO now RM 1400+ only final dividend 30c is declared then dividend yield become 3.75%.

Most plantation management know that RM2000 for CPO is not sustainable in the long term so they declared the extra profit generated as special dividend while final dividend is the value they can expect to give out every year.
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Cherroy,

Plantation stock is actually one of the best to have when CPO price is crashing like hell and nobody like the stock. Right now, the CPO price is high and everyone like the plantation stock so it may not be a good time to buy.. They tend to go in cycle.

Actually,there are people who are retired with earning from their 100 acres of Palm Oil plantation..

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post Feb 2 2006, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(Geminist @ Feb 2 2006, 07:24 PM)
I was reading about the trial of the Enron case in the States yesterday and I came across a term called "Insider's investing" ...

I'm not completely sure about the term "insider's investing" so can someone explain on what "Insider investing" really is and why is it considered as illegal?

Thanks alot notworthy.gif
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By the way, I have a friend that worked for Enron for about 22 years. He lost about one millions from Enron stocks. There are 3 facts in Enron case

1) In Enron, the retirement plan money aka 401K plan is invested almost totally in Enron stock.

2) While the insider aka executive was selling their own Enron stocks, they tell their employees everything is fine and they should continue buying more Enron stocks

3) Furthermore, they aka insider/executive stop their employees from selling their Enron stocks in their retirement plan by passing some rule on the plan while they exempted themselves from this restriction.

One of my friend's co-worker commited suicide and jump off the Enron building and killed herself.

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