Are u sure the petrol we pump here in Malaysia is the same fuel they use in many developed nations in Europe?

Are u sure the petrol we pump here in Malaysia is the same fuel they use in many developed nations in Europe?

It is based on the spec and standard set at respective location.
It may not the same due to local standard or specification set.

What I mentioned is that the final product from the refiner is petrol.

Petrol = petrol, if both are same Ron and additive used, whether it come from sweet or soul crude, they are the same,  if spec and additive is the same.

It is like murky water vs a clean water, both go to the water treatment plant, the mulky water is more difficult to do the filtration, but end of process it is still a clean water and drinkable water for both.
If both water spec and ingredient is the same, both are the same. It won't be the source which is clean water one is more "quality".
Get what I mean. 

This is where the problem lies. You are speaking from a tourist point of view. Why bother doing a currency conversion? Are u buying fuel in Europe and bringing it to Malaysia?

We are refering to 2 separate individuals earning in their respective local currencies paying for their respective fuel. No currency conversion involved. This is typical effects of BN brainwashing all these years to give the false impression that cost of living in Malaysia is much lower than other countries. Taxes may be slightly higher overseas, but that tax money is well spent and generally goes back to the citizens. You get a much better education system, a safer place for your family and a world class public transport system. Whats the point of paying slightly lower taxes here in Malaysia when the rich get richer while the kampung ppl still remain undeveloped in the kampungs.

But let me say this, you can generally survive in Europe with a Euro $5000 salary and still afford a decent car and house and raise a family but try doing the same in KL with a RM5,000 salary.

Yes so its clear that the petrol used in Europe is NOT the same as used here in Malaysia right?

Awesome. Saw the car in MV yesterday.

I went for a test drive at VW earlier for the new Passat.

Comparatively speaking, the Passat interior is nicer. I love how the brush aluminium look compared to the faux wood panels. NVH is quite good also. The downside is the semi-electric seats compared to the fully electric seats found in the camry.

Another downside is the rear seats as well, the huge bump in the middle vs the flat panel floor of the Camry. The middle passenger will suffer. Materials and finishing is very good. Definitely feels more premium compared to the Japanese.

Interior space is definitely 1up for the Camry, the Passat still feels smaller in comparison. Even my wife says the same thing, the overall spaciousness is better in the Camry compared to the Passat.

Likes:

- Brake assist feature
- Hill hold feature
- Airbags, lots of them
- Premium feel
- Power. The engine feels very lively
- NVH feels good, certainly sounds quiet while on the go.

Dislikes:

- The CKD unit feels a bit creaky, there was some sound coming from the dashboard. I don't know if its because the car is a demo unit or something else
- The rear passenger middle bump. Although common in RWD, I really wish it was a little lower
- Rear luggage space is good, but I wish it had more depth instead of being more lengthy.

Definitely will take the new Camry later this week for a test drive and then decide where I plan to go from then

Compare to Toyota Altis 1.8G spec, I think the "ALL NEW 2012" Toyota Camry 2.0G spec is way too LOW spec, OUTDATED engine and UNSAFE on less-ideal road!! Well, please see the below comparisons for the spec [pls note that despite these 2 cars is on  different segment, but I'm pointing the comparison on the spec, rather on segment of the car]:

Toyota Altis 1.8G spec         VS        Toyota Camry 2.0G spec

1) Dual VVT-i with ACIS      VS      DOHC with VVT-i
  (New engine)                    VS      (Old & Outdated engine)
  (More power & torque)      VS     (Less power & torque)
  (Consume less fuel)          VS     (Consume more fuel)

2) Super CVT-i with 7-Speed   VS   Super ECT with 4-speed
   (better fuel efficiency)         VS   (less fuel efficiency)
   (Advance gear box)            VS    (Old gear box)

3) Safety on less-ideal conditions (such as on rainy day, slippery road & uneven surface road)
   - with VSC & TRC          VS     - without VSC & TRC
   (MORE SAFE!)               VS      (UNSAFE!)Hope God will bless you then!                                                                    

MY PERSONAL CONCLUSION: Driving a Toyota Altis 1.8G is seems to be MORE SAFE on the road than driving a New Toyota Camry 2.0G!! Yet, you need fork-out additional RM35,000 for a LOW spec, OUTDATED engine and UNSAFE "ALL NEW 2012" Toyota Camry 2.0G!! UMW TOYOTA is very "BRILLIANT" on "hiding" the above spec comparison when come to promoting this New Camry! You don't see info of VSC & TRC in 2.5V (indeed 2.5V equipped with VSC & TRC, but not for 2.0G or 2.0E). No "comparison" info means less awareness to the potential buyer, especially those Uncles!!

Despite Camry is much better on exterior looks, but the spec of Camry 2.0G shall deserve more or less the same as Altis 1.8G since both cars is same G spec, especially the extra SAFETY feature, such as VSC & TRC that equipped in Altis 1.8G! This VSC & TRC extra safety feature might able to save you and your passengers when you are driving on less-Ideal road conditions and on emergency situations, such as on rainy day, slippery road & uneven surface road. Is UMW TOYOTA trying to IGNORE extra safety of the driver and the passengers of new Camry 2.0G !? while put EXTRA ATTENTION of extra VSC & TRC safety on the driver and the passenger of Altis 1.8G instead!? The price of VSC & TRC is just mere few thousand Ringgit only! Of course, the rationale behind by not equip VSC & TRC on Camry 2.0G is make EXTRA profit on D-Segment car for UMW TOYOTA lah!! more UNTUNG lah!!

Well, I'm also a Toyota car owner at the moment. But to upgrade to this New Camry, I would put on hold until UMW TOYOTA upgrade the spec of this Camry or look for some other cars. Simply Not worth buying this New Camry at these kind of LOW spec and OVER-PROFIT by UMW TOYOTA!

In fact, couples of days ago, one Toyota salesman told me that there was quite number of cancellation of booking order for this Camry 2.0G or 2.0E. Simply b'cos the potential buyer disappointed with this LOW spec Camry. To buy 2.5V with HIGHER spec is overpriced at RM181K!

I went for a test drive at VW earlier for the new Passat.

Comparatively speaking, the Passat interior is nicer. I love how the brush aluminium look compared to the faux wood panels. NVH is quite good also. The downside is the semi-electric seats compared to the fully electric seats found in the camry.

Another downside is the rear seats as well, the huge bump in the middle vs the flat panel floor of the Camry. The middle passenger will suffer. Materials and finishing is very good. Definitely feels more premium compared to the Japanese.

Interior space is definitely 1up for the Camry, the Passat still feels smaller in comparison. Even my wife says the same thing, the overall spaciousness is better in the Camry compared to the Passat.

Likes:

- Brake assist feature
- Hill hold feature
- Airbags, lots of them
- Premium feel
- Power. The engine feels very lively
- NVH feels good, certainly sounds quiet while on the go.

Dislikes:

- The CKD unit feels a bit creaky, there was some sound coming from the dashboard. I don't know if its because the car is a demo unit or something else
- The rear passenger middle bump. Although common in RWD, I really wish it was a little lower
- Rear luggage space is good, but I wish it had more depth instead of being more lengthy.

Definitely will take the new Camry later this week for a test drive and then decide where I plan to go from then

I have no data or info on petrol used in Europe.

My previous post just to highlight that just because Malaysia export sweet crude or so called high quality crude, it doesn't mean petrol used here is inferior, both are unrelated.

Funny that ure still considering the Camry seeing all the other competition out there for more value for money. Why are you still considering the Camry anyway?

You could (almost) just as well pay off a Passat. Resale value... maybe not 100% as good as the Camry, but I thought VW is picking up steam. I see more and more Tourans on the road, lots of Polo, Jetta and a few Passat. I think for a Conti it is doing quite well.

You could (almost) just as well pay off a Passat. Resale value... maybe not 100% as good as the Camry, but I thought VW is picking up steam. I see more and more Tourans on the road, lots of Polo, Jetta and a few Passat. I think for a Conti it is doing quite well.