QUOTE(IluvProton @ Jun 18 2012, 11:53 PM)
yes it is, but some still prefer Camry O_ONew Toyota Camry 2012, is Really coming now!
New Toyota Camry 2012, is Really coming now!
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Jun 18 2012, 11:56 PM
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Jun 19 2012, 12:19 AM
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Hm. After having had fewer problems with second hand cars than with new ones (Suzuki Alto (in the 80s) was a catastrophe, problems without end, Renault 19 had some serious issues when new, after it was 2 years old everything was fine until we sold it when it was 12, and it could probably have gone on for many more years) I'm more open to second hand ones (preferably very young second hand ones, i.e. 1-2 year old).
Not sure if I'd give up all the advantages of a Passat just to save a few bucks (better car, better safety, service only every 15k km, longer warranty). Would you rather pay 200k to get a nice house in a nice area with guards and all or pay 180k to get a tiny condo in a dangerous neighborhood? You'd save 20k, but give up so much that it may not be worth it. |
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Jun 19 2012, 01:41 AM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jun 18 2012, 11:43 PM) No, unfortunately I have max monthly budget set that I don't intend to exceed and is completely comfortable without any lifestyle change. So it becomes just a matter of taking either a 3,4 or 5 year loan. Putting a higher downpayment is not really a good financial move. At the current loan rates of <2.45%, ure better of investing elsewhere. I could have bought my Optima cash, but took a 7yr loan instead as i wanna free up some loan eligibility for my 3rd property.With the Camry, I need not take a loan longer than 3 years. With the passat, I can also do it in 3 but would have to fork out an additional sum of money on top of my trade in. Otherwise, I'd have to take a 4 or 5 year instead if I don't intend to top up my downpayment. A shorter loan tenure and having more money in my pocket is always more desirable. Second hands are out of my consideration because I never like the idea of owning a pre-owned car, a matter of personal preference here. |
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Jun 19 2012, 01:42 AM
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Jun 19 2012, 10:38 AM
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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Jun 18 2012, 11:53 PM) No la, I was focused on the 2.0G spec version because the difference between that and the Passat about 20k. I decide on the car based on what I'm comfortable paying each month and the length of loan. For all intents and purposes, I consider the 2.0G version is great as a stop-gap measure because the loan is only 3 years and once the warranty is over, I can just move on to something better rather than take a lengthy 7 year loan if I were to buy say an Audi A4 or 3 series F10. The 2.5V spec was never under my consideration because I simply do not think it's worth taking a 5 year loan for an overpriced under-specced car like that. And now I just realized, the 2.5V spec is only about 5k or so more expensive compared to the Passat. In any case, I want to avoid taking a 5 year loan and instead keep it to 3 or 4. With the Passat or Camry 2.5V, I have to still stick to a 5 year loan if I don't want to top up my down payment. |
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Jun 19 2012, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jun 19 2012, 05:38 AM) No la, I was focused on the 2.0G spec version because the difference between that and the Passat about 20k. I decide on the car based on what I'm comfortable paying each month and the length of loan. For all intents and purposes, I consider the 2.0G version is great as a stop-gap measure because the loan is only 3 years and once the warranty is over, I can just move on to something better rather than take a lengthy 7 year loan if I were to buy say an Audi A4 or 3 series F10. I was thinking the other way around. maybe add 20k more for current prius / k5 to get the passat The 2.5V spec was never under my consideration because I simply do not think it's worth taking a 5 year loan for an overpriced under-specced car like that. And now I just realized, the 2.5V spec is only about 5k or so more expensive compared to the Passat. In any case, I want to avoid taking a 5 year loan and instead keep it to 3 or 4. With the Passat or Camry 2.5V, I have to still stick to a 5 year loan if I don't want to top up my down payment. instead getting regret in 3-5 years time. 4 years need repayment about 3.2k month |
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Jun 19 2012, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE(Flyguy1970 @ Jun 17 2012, 11:49 PM) Compare to Toyota Altis 1.8G spec, I think the "ALL NEW 2012" Toyota Camry 2.0G spec is way too LOW spec, OUTDATED engine and UNSAFE on less-ideal road!! Well, please see the below comparisons for the spec [pls note that despite these 2 cars is on different segment, but I'm pointing the comparison on the spec, rather on segment of the car]: saw the new camry as well... and the salesman also informed me of a few cancellation and opt for the Altis as well.... pretty disappointed customer i guess.... Toyota Altis 1.8G spec VS Toyota Camry 2.0G spec 1) Dual VVT-i with ACIS VS DOHC with VVT-i (New engine) VS (Old & Outdated engine) (More power & torque) VS (Less power & torque) (Consume less fuel) VS (Consume more fuel) 2) Super CVT-i with 7-Speed VS Super ECT with 4-speed (better fuel efficiency) VS (less fuel efficiency) (Advance gear box) VS (Old gear box) 3) Safety on less-ideal conditions (such as on rainy day, slippery road & uneven surface road) - with VSC & TRC VS - without VSC & TRC (MORE SAFE!) VS (UNSAFE!)Hope God will bless you then! MY PERSONAL CONCLUSION: Driving a Toyota Altis 1.8G is seems to be MORE SAFE on the road than driving a New Toyota Camry 2.0G!! Yet, you need fork-out additional RM35,000 for a LOW spec, OUTDATED engine and UNSAFE "ALL NEW 2012" Toyota Camry 2.0G!! UMW TOYOTA is very "BRILLIANT" on "hiding" the above spec comparison when come to promoting this New Camry! You don't see info of VSC & TRC in 2.5V (indeed 2.5V equipped with VSC & TRC, but not for 2.0G or 2.0E). No "comparison" info means less awareness to the potential buyer, especially those Uncles!! Despite Camry is much better on exterior looks, but the spec of Camry 2.0G shall deserve more or less the same as Altis 1.8G since both cars is same G spec, especially the extra SAFETY feature, such as VSC & TRC that equipped in Altis 1.8G! This VSC & TRC extra safety feature might able to save you and your passengers when you are driving on less-Ideal road conditions and on emergency situations, such as on rainy day, slippery road & uneven surface road. Is UMW TOYOTA trying to IGNORE extra safety of the driver and the passengers of new Camry 2.0G !? while put EXTRA ATTENTION of extra VSC & TRC safety on the driver and the passenger of Altis 1.8G instead!? The price of VSC & TRC is just mere few thousand Ringgit only! Of course, the rationale behind by not equip VSC & TRC on Camry 2.0G is make EXTRA profit on D-Segment car for UMW TOYOTA lah!! more UNTUNG lah!! Well, I'm also a Toyota car owner at the moment. But to upgrade to this New Camry, I would put on hold until UMW TOYOTA upgrade the spec of this Camry or look for some other cars. Simply Not worth buying this New Camry at these kind of LOW spec and OVER-PROFIT by UMW TOYOTA! In fact, couples of days ago, one Toyota salesman told me that there was quite number of cancellation of booking order for this Camry 2.0G or 2.0E. Simply b'cos the potential buyer disappointed with this LOW spec Camry. To buy 2.5V with HIGHER spec is overpriced at RM181K! kuman |
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Jun 19 2012, 01:46 PM
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i got altis 2006. but the quality is better built. just see the door side.
although i admit very unker design but last time built was better. now altis more plastics inside |
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Jun 19 2012, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Jun 19 2012, 11:28 AM) I was thinking the other way around. maybe add 20k more for current prius / k5 to get the passat My maximum is RM2200 per month. Not a penny more. I'm comfortable paying up to 4 years, ideally 3 and I don't want to go 5 if I can help it. instead getting regret in 3-5 years time. 4 years need repayment about 3.2k month I went for a 2nd test drive with the Passat at Cergaz, my first drive was at FA Wagen. That dashboard creaking sound is still there ;( Build quality issue or is it something else? |
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Jun 19 2012, 02:06 PM
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Get the new camry, saw it on the road and it looks awesome. The passat is a good car but in terms of uncle-ness, its worst than the camry and it has a very boring design.
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Jun 19 2012, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Jun 19 2012, 02:06 PM) Get the new camry, saw it on the road and it looks awesome. The passat is a good car but in terms of uncle-ness, its worst than the camry and it has a very boring design. tail a new camry yesterday...the natural brake light is in LED, then the extended brake light at the trunk boot lid is in normal bulb...looks disjointed to me.. |
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Jun 19 2012, 02:24 PM
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Jun 19 2012, 02:06 PM) Get the new camry, saw it on the road and it looks awesome. The passat is a good car but in terms of uncle-ness, its worst than the camry and it has a very boring design. indeed, but volkswagen cc is different case lolz. for exterior, i think 508 is also better than passat. saw 2 camry on the road. real car is more charming than see in ads and brochure etc. |
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Jun 19 2012, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(Travies @ Jun 19 2012, 02:24 PM) indeed, but volkswagen cc is different case lolz. for exterior, i think 508 is also better than passat. I won't ever consider the Peugeot. I don't care how good the specs is, the reliability is just bad and the after sales service at Nasim leaves much to be desired. saw 2 camry on the road. real car is more charming than see in ads and brochure etc. I've got 3 friends who bought Peugeots as well (308 & 407) back in 2008/2009. All of them have sold off their car since and told me the same thing... don't ever buy one. http://forum.autoworld.com.my/index.php?showtopic=103477 Plenty of complains and stories to read. This post has been edited by zweimmk: Jun 19 2012, 02:43 PM |
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Jun 19 2012, 04:11 PM
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I guess japs always design cars for the future. Meaning 5 years down the road they still look fresh!
Unlike their korean counterparts, they design cars for that year only. 1 year dwn the road, the car looks damn outdated. |
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Jun 19 2012, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jun 19 2012, 08:58 AM) My maximum is RM2200 per month. Not a penny more. I'm comfortable paying up to 4 years, ideally 3 and I don't want to go 5 if I can help it. I went for a 2nd test drive with the Passat at Cergaz, my first drive was at FA Wagen. That dashboard creaking sound is still there ;( Build quality issue or is it something else? QUOTE(kevin23 @ Jun 19 2012, 09:06 AM) Get the new camry, saw it on the road and it looks awesome. The passat is a good car but in terms of uncle-ness, its worst than the camry and it has a very boring design. inside no uncle liao. |
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Jun 19 2012, 04:11 PM) I guess japs always design cars for the future. Meaning 5 years down the road they still look fresh! for the future?Unlike their korean counterparts, they design cars for that year only. 1 year dwn the road, the car looks damn outdated. more like staying conservative to me. meaning, a design which doesnt get to people's desires and yet still manage to grab some attention on the road for long time. Cars like the A31 Cefiro, it still looks good till now, IMO. |
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Jun 20 2012, 09:29 AM
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Today at last got the chance to Test the Camry, first I found the Toyota salesman is very action, I have been standing there but no one come to serve me until I asked one of the sales person, and he also not directl come to serve me, but he still chatting with other salesman there, very impressive Toyota service. I tested the 2.0 version, first the 4speed gb is really an outdated unit, I found when in the 1st gear, the car is responsive, but when switched to 2 nd gear, you can feel the car is slower and the pick up is gone, this problem same as the 3 and 4 gear. I have driven the previous Camry quite often, so I know it quite well, and this gen Camry is using back the same old chassis, which on the riding quality isn't much different, handling somewhat is a little bit harder compare to the last gen, but also a very little bit only. Nvh, I still found the last gem and the current gen is quite similar, maybe the tires are new, so road noise is a bit softer. Interior space, Toyota highly claimed the new one is bigger, but I found totally same, just Toyota lower the rear seat and also make the rear seat smaller, and give you an impression that it is bigger, but when personally sit inside, no difference. Overall, this car doesn't worth the asking price, just take a spin in Teana and you will know what I trying to say.
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Jun 21 2012, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Jun 20 2012, 11:22 PM) Today at last got the chance to Test the Camry, first I found the Toyota salesman is very action, I have been standing there but no one come to serve me until I asked one of the sales person, and he also not directl come to serve me, but he still chatting with other salesman there, very impressive Toyota service. I tested the 2.0 version, first the 4speed gb is really an outdated unit, I found when in the 1st gear, the car is responsive, but when switched to 2 nd gear, you can feel the car is slower and the pick up is gone, this problem same as the 3 and 4 gear. I have driven the previous Camry quite often, so I know it quite well, and this gen Camry is using back the same old chassis, which on the riding quality isn't much different, handling somewhat is a little bit harder compare to the last gen, but also a very little bit only. Nvh, I still found the last gem and the current gen is quite similar, maybe the tires are new, so road noise is a bit softer. Interior space, Toyota highly claimed the new one is bigger, but I found totally same, just Toyota lower the rear seat and also make the rear seat smaller, and give you an impression that it is bigger, but when personally sit inside, no difference. Overall, this car doesn't worth the asking price, just take a spin in Teana and you will know what I trying to say. Just cancel my camry booking made in apr 2012. |
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Jun 20 2012, 11:22 PM) Today at last got the chance to Test the Camry, first I found the Toyota salesman is very action, I have been standing there but no one come to serve me until I asked one of the sales person, and he also not directl come to serve me, but he still chatting with other salesman there, very impressive Toyota service. I tested the 2.0 version, first the 4speed gb is really an outdated unit, I found when in the 1st gear, the car is responsive, but when switched to 2 nd gear, you can feel the car is slower and the pick up is gone, this problem same as the 3 and 4 gear. I have driven the previous Camry quite often, so I know it quite well, and this gen Camry is using back the same old chassis, which on the riding quality isn't much different, handling somewhat is a little bit harder compare to the last gen, but also a very little bit only. Nvh, I still found the last gem and the current gen is quite similar, maybe the tires are new, so road noise is a bit softer. Interior space, Toyota highly claimed the new one is bigger, but I found totally same, just Toyota lower the rear seat and also make the rear seat smaller, and give you an impression that it is bigger, but when personally sit inside, no difference. Overall, this car doesn't worth the asking price, just take a spin in Teana and you will know what I trying to say. I find this pretty typical of the other Toyota I have driven. Vios. Avanza. My theory is, since car is low on power, put all the power in the 1st gear to fool people thinking that it is powerful all the way. After all, it's 1st impression that counts so who cares what comes or did not come afterward |
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