Lol... Y u butthurt ? Me not driving Local car....

Foreign Made car ? pfffttt... What so great about it ? under 60k can get dy..... also abundant 2nd hand ones....
Malaysian car my ass... Stupid fag, dunno facts want to talk...

How About this... Me is Driving a Malaysian Made car.... A Mercedes S500 V8.... 

C'mon man... If u can afford expensive cars, doesn't mean u are brilliant.... Maybe stupid if u choose this Camry....
Grow up ? still young ler.... don't want to be unker like u....

Toyota Avensis has ISOFIX. At least since 2003. http://www.euroncap.com/tests/toyota_avensis_2003/172.aspx But then again that car has 7 airbags in 2003. (Same segment as Camry).

I think it is reasonable to tell potential Camry buyers that there are reasons why they should consider other cars.

Me personally, I would get the Skoda Superb, but it can't be compared to the Camry. Higher segment.

Well, why should Toyota care about safety? They offer 2 cars with a very high safety standard, Prius C and Prius. And those are the really unpopular Toyotas here, while the unsafe ones are very popular. Go figure... Oh and Toyota enjoys huge margins, that's for sure. They could offer a vastly better car for the price (they have all the designs, all the features), but why would they. If I were Toyota I would do the same.

The US Camry has 10 airbags btw.

What you mean, Japanese not into turbochargers? Skyline GT-R anyone? But yeah, not so often, and not so much for everyday cars, mostly only for high performance ones. They seem to prefer to optimize efficiency by adding electric motors, rather than turbos. In Europe road tax is often 100% connected to cc and how clean the engine is, so smaller cc makes a lot of sense, especially since fuel is extremely expensive (almost RM 7 per liter in Germany...). Low FC is very, very important.

Yeah man.....

Always say must choose Camry... Reliable la...

Reliable, u die ? what for....

These ppl is not wise anymore....

Even cheap ass car got it...

Even the upcoming B-Segment Kia Rio got it...

If gomen said minimum 2 airbags, Toyota will give 2...
If gomen said 4 it will give 4....

UMW Toyota, a total ripoff company.... They'll try to give the lowest specs possible....

Now, added a despo bodykit, so that they can beat the gorgeous korean cars.... it made it fuglier instead....
Anyway Toyota nowadays = Facelift King...

Yes reliability is one of the buying point..... But then as far as i know, i never se new gen Kia/Hyundai car stranded...

My relative is usinga 3 years old ++ Forte.... still smooth....

C'mon cars nowadays are quite good... such problems has less chances of occuring...
I've seen infront of my eyes, at Seberang Perai Megamall.... A White BMW 525i E60, when the light turns green, the driver accelerate.... Lotsa white smoke come out of the exhaust.... Few motorcyclist chased the owner to warn him...

So it happens... even to BMW...

Toyota also is not bullet proof... IINM, got LYN forumer posted about Alphard engine.... Block broken...
Even Consumer reports in US.... Most complaints regarding Toyota is cause the engine eat oil.... Dafuq... new cars makan minyak hitam.....
I'm not denying that even the new gen Korean cars got prob... But the ratio is lesser than Toyota nowadays....

That's why Americans etc, gave chance for Kia/Hyundai to improve....
I'm not bashing Toyota or what... Sad la... previously a good car maker... now turn to shit...

i think the korean new cars are better in handling. optima, should be using gas absobers. makes handling so much more better but pain in the butt. They are also heavier and thicker steel, flex less during ncap testing

need to be realistic if you can afforb the camry, why bother with petrol. Its like peanuts. our petrol is so cheap.
If you can buy a camry you would want some HP and torque for some fun.

Not having many problems with our Citroen, only wear and tear. But yes, driving a Citroen in Malaysia is a bit risky.

The way I see it: Why pay 150k for a Camry, when I can get better cars for less? Much less. If FC etc. is a concern, then just get a cheaper car, that will offset the higher FC. I don't feel any pain at the petrol station or when it comes to getting spare parts (though of course I don't want to spend too much), also because I don't have to spend all my money on an expensive loan.

How much defensive driving helps you has been shown twice in Singapore recently. Someone smashes in your side, and you die. No matter how defensive you drive. With a car that properly protects you you may have survived.

In any case, the last new car we bought was 20 years ago, and that was also the last time we had a lot of hassles with a car (it was fine after it reached the age of 2). Been driving second hand cars ever since, and been happy with them, while spending much less than they would have cost new.

If our fuel is so expensive, why are the Singaporean and the Thai and the Indonesian come and buy our fuel and smuggled it back to their own countries?

Malaysians are able to afford expensive cars due to the very long loans they can get. I can't imagine a bank offering a 9 year loan in Germany for a car. I think 3 years is pretty much the maximum, perhaps here and there 5 years, but that's it (and that won't be cheap then).

Are u sure the petrol we pump here in Malaysia is the same fuel they use in many developed nations in Europe?

and u have to know, some people buy a car just purely for this reason.... fun to drive...
without a care in the world about its spec list...

sunroof... nah
20-speakers system.. nah
bluetooth... nah
a gazillion litres boot... nah
push start button... nah
etc

all they are concern about is once they start driving the car... they will have a smile on their face...

example in kind... ford mondeo...


driveability is more then just handling and steering response....
and handling is more then just corner baring....
u need to be a real driver to understand this feel....

of course not...if i get to choose, i will drive M6 anytime, but if to own either old M6 or new K5, prolly K5. Conti car definitely nice to drive, but overall package, price, value, korean cars are coming up, no denying that.

University of Lowyat is not a place to learn about cars.... really..
u need to do lots of heavy filtering which is not worth the effort...

ZTH or autoworld will be better....

Honda Accord?? Haha are you kidding me with such design can call K5 and Camry killer??

Dude, I see, then may I correct myself, CT200h is meant for ferrying human fetuses or zygotes, guess Viva is a better choice if you need to ferry children?

Thanks for the enlightenment! 

So probably only Camry/Accord/Sonata/K5 are suitable to ferry normal size human adults I guess.

Anyway, to be honest and frank, I think it is not very wise to deliberately squeeze 2 big size adults into a small hatch just to proof a point.

Of course, as many try to emphasize, this is public forum, thus you are most welcome to continue criticize CT200H for any features which it is not meant for. Perhaps I can give some suggestions....

Speed  : It is not as fast as a Porsche, Ferrari or Lambo, cannot speeding la.
Room : It is so small, smaller than a Viva. I can only see its's rear end by using a microscope.
Price  : It is not prestige la, it is not even a Bentley/R.Royce
Service center: so few that one hand can count, better buy Proton, Perodua, Toyota... (sorry to those Toyota enemies).
Origin:  Japan (biggest mistake, most sinful thing.... why it is not a Korean made?)
Brand:  again, Japan.... boring..... why this is not a Kia/Hyundai?
Reliability: Who cares? Other brands got 5 years what, break down 100 times also nevermind.

Oh no.... after I listed out the cons, I finally realized Lexus should be banned by government for ripping off Malaysian big time.

Value is very subjective and measured differently by each different individual

In this respect, if you stack the Camry against all its competitors, it will look very very bad because it's as bare as bare can be. It's kind of like brand A phone vs all other brands.

If you consider the Camry based on its size, comfort, NVH, after sales and resale value etc, then it will look much more promising.

At the end of the day, I think it just boils down to how much you like the car to buy it, LOL!

Well, I selected my car based on several criteria and one of them was feature set. But it was not the main point, the most important determining factor was what I was comfortable paying per month over a set period of time followed by   driving dynamics, family needs (size, comfort) and finally feature set.

The Koreans were out mainly because... it's Korean. I was not able to overcome my personal bias against Hyundai or KIA.

My first choice was actually the new F30 320d but that changed when I learnt my initial down payment had to be at least in the 120k range if I wanted to keep the amount I was willing to pay each month within my comfort zone and within the 5 year period. I could go with 7 years but I absolutely hated the idea of taking a 7 year loan.

So with the Luxury marques out of the way, it came down to either the new Peugeot 508, The Passat and the new Camry.

The Peugeot 508 was eliminated immediately because of reliability and after sales issue. It might not happen but why put myself in that position of having to worry in the first place?

So it became a toss up between the Camry and the Passat and it was a tough struggle, both are good cars in its own right and both had it set of problems... ultimately, I couldn't stand the feeling of buying a car that made me feel like I was being ripped off and went ahead with the Passat.

Not sure if it answers your question though, LOL!

I thought it should be convenience or proximity of service instead of affordability in the case of SC?

If I have to travel an hour just to get my car serviced, I would also think twice about buying a VW. Too much hassle

Half an hour I can live with.

1 hour... maybe but that's stretching it. Beyond that, forget it man! LOL

Btw, does your Q5 gearbox jerk a little or judder a little while on the go? I've driven my relative's Q5 and it did that like once or twice, felt like the car going to breakdown or something... then it adjusted itself back with no problems.

Problem disappeared after servicing. Nice car to drive, damn comfortable and definitely feel like a bully driving so high, wahahahaha!

I only have to drive 10 minutes to get my Latio and Toyota serviced.

On the contrary:

1 hour for K5.

2++ hours for VW.

Oh man..... luckily there is no Ferrari or Lambo service center near my house......