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 New Toyota Camry 2012, is Really coming now!

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kepalapening
post Jul 26 2012, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(n20nine @ Jul 26 2012, 06:35 PM)
You want to get in and keep driving it? Please do.
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Yes, I've done it for almost 2 months. No problem so far.
Well, accept for parking space.


Added on July 26, 2012, 10:34 pm
QUOTE(feelfree @ Jul 26 2012, 07:26 PM)
Dude, some of your statements is correct, but some seem like is totally opposite from the real. The NVH, no doubt, it has improved quite a lot, can say it is comparable to the Teana now, but handling, no doubt, better than the previous version, but still the body roll is too much and the steering feel is totally none. Pickup, this is what I found pretty funny from your test result, but maybe you have been cheated by the 4-speed gearbox, which the first gear is quite low and causing you to feel the car is powerful, but when shift to 2nd gear, you can feel the car suddenly lost the power slightly and from there you can feel the under power, especially when you climbing a steep slope, when you kick the pedal harder, you will feel the gearbox seem like hang a while to decide whether to shift up or shift down gear. But afterall the refinement and quality is still better than Korean the K5 or the Sonata.
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Don't know about 2.0 but, my XV50 can easily reach 170 quitely.


Added on July 26, 2012, 11:04 pm
QUOTE(n20nine @ Jul 26 2012, 06:35 PM)
Its not a BMW or an Alfa or even a Porsche.
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And the price is also not more than 200k right.

This post has been edited by kepalapening: Jul 26 2012, 11:04 PM
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post Jul 27 2012, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Jul 26 2012, 10:29 PM)
Yes, I've done it for almost 2 months. No problem so far.
Well, accept for parking space.

Added on July 26, 2012, 10:34 pm

Don't know about 2.0 but, my XV50 can easily reach 170 quitely.


Added on July 26, 2012, 11:04 pm

And the price is also not more than 200k right.
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1. the reverse camera is there to help, how do you find it?
2. even prev gen camry (2.0 or 2.4) can do that. even higher speed cabin noise is pretty low. camry's insulation is good, compared to say the accord.
3. yes, depending on the model. if you want a new car comparison you can take the passat or 508.
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post Jul 27 2012, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Jul 26 2012, 10:29 PM)
Don't know about 2.0 but, my XV50 can easily reach 170 quitely.
So reaching 170kmph is a benchmark these days? doh.gif

My previous Vios 1.5E could reach even 200kmph (with some effort of course). Does that make it a sports car? Surely not.

My Optima K5 can easily hit 170kmph as well. Does that make it a great car on par with luxury makes? Surely not.

Your Camry 2.5L should easily hit 170kmph not because its a great car but because its a higher capacity engine. Nothing more. biggrin.gif
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post Jul 27 2012, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(Jintex @ Jul 26 2012, 05:46 PM)
Test drove the NEW camry 2.0 recently.Didnt expect much as it was just a 2.0 with 4 speed gearbox.But once i step in,you can feel the quality in the cabin.Really good feel to it.Everything felt solid and was placed where it was meant to be.Then i proceded to the drive. To be honest,I didnt expect the 2.0 engine to be good.But it was damn good for a 2.0.In fact power was above expectations.It was only a 2.0 on paper with low HP on paper but when driving the car,it felt much more powerful than that.Pickup was excellent!Besides i drove up to 120kmh and you couldnt tell it was a 4 speed because it was just so smooth and u could hardly hear the engine roar.Sound insulation was very very good.And having test drove the previous Camry,I can tell you that the new Camrys handling has improved so much it felt planted through corners and didnt have much of the floaty feeling the previous camry was famous for.Some might not like its looks but to tell you the truth,after the drive,you just want to get in again and keep driving it.
Can i give you a piece of advice? When you do test drives, you must be open enough to talk about the negative sides of your ride and not cover them up with untruth.

Ive also test driven the Camry 2.0G last week and yes NVH is good but where is your so called 'good pickup'? What were your expectations then? Were u comparing with a Viva? The 2.0L Camry is sluggish (as expected) and once you hit the 2nd gear the car goes into some semi conscious state. It was the same with the previous gen Camry. How do you expect a car as heavy as the Camry with only 146Hp and 190Nm torque to have 'excellent' pickup? This is actually common sense. Even my Optima with 163Hp, 198Nm torque is still a bit sluggish what more the 2.0 Camry. rclxub.gif

May i also ask where you managed to hit 120kmph and take coners at high speed? What was your test drive route?

Plus, how do you define 'interior quality'? Do tell me whats on the side door panels. Its hard plastics. What's on the front audio panel? Cheap plastics again. If u say the 2.5 Camry has got better interior quality, yes i agree but the 2.0L interior is crap for that price range. Both Toyota and Honda are cutting costs by providing much cheaper interiors as its evident in the Camry and also the new Civic.

Dont just be a blind supporter. Its very easy to see through some of your comments.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 27 2012, 10:49 AM
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post Jul 27 2012, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 27 2012, 10:36 AM)
So reaching 170kmph is a benchmark these days?  doh.gif

My previous Vios 1.5E could reach even 200kmph (with some effort of course). Does that make it a sports car? Surely not.

My Optima K5 can easily hit 170kmph as well. Does that make it a great car on par with luxury makes? Surely not.

Your Camry 2.5L should easily hit 170kmph not because its a great car but because its a higher capacity engine. Nothing more.  biggrin.gif
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post Jul 27 2012, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Jul 26 2012, 10:29 PM)
Yes, I've done it for almost 2 months. No problem so far.
Well, accept for parking space.
Many of those who bought Protons and Perodua's also didnt face problems in the first 2 months rite? So whats your point? U expecting problems in the first few months?
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post Jul 27 2012, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 22 2012, 10:19 AM)
This discussion sure can go on and on. But the fact is this, safety standards have risen everywhere else in the world, so why would you want to settle for anything less if you don't have to or have the financial means not too. If the government is willing to step in and demand that all future vehicles, whether big or small at least provide those safety features, wouldn't it be much better for everyone overall? We talk about now, what past is the past, what's important is the future, and the important thing is to have safety standards continually improve instead of going backwards.

So in this case, how can anyone even justify what Toyota did is good for the industry and motorist in general? Removing 2 important safety features that shouldn't have been removed in the first place and for what? Good car or not, there's no denying they've gone backwards in terms of safety.

Btw, there's so many people out there who buy Toyota cars without even test driving or seeing the car first, the new Camry isn't an exception. Like it or not, the brand is rock solid and they've been around long enough that people trust them enough to buy them but eventually, if they continue doing this, the gen Y that moves up to replace the gen X will not hesitate to ignore their offerings.
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safety feature in car, is improve a lot and even p1/p2 have put in safety feature.
how much or how little, is driven by market requirement.

toyota is a business first, and a carmaker second. reduction of feature happens, simply because they can do it and its commercially viable. they probably have data on features and usage, as well as safety stats on accidents involving their vehicles.

there is still a big chunk of buyers who do not want to pay for features, and the common requirement is the "stature" of the car, the comfort while seated, and the practicality and resale. this group is what toyota, as a business, cater for.
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post Jul 27 2012, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 27 2012, 10:51 AM)
Many of those who bought Protons and Perodua's also didnt face problems in the first 2 months rite? So whats your point? U expecting problems in the first few months?
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last time i got my new wira 3 day later brake fail and i almost hentam car in front. terima kasih proton, i am now a more alert driver.
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post Jul 27 2012, 11:18 AM

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i will wait for MAzda 6 2013 tongue.gif
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post Jul 27 2012, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(JayC75 @ Jul 27 2012, 11:18 AM)
i will wait for MAzda 6 2013  tongue.gif
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180k for 2.0L
i rather the camry.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 27 2012, 10:45 AM)
Can i give you a piece of advice? When you do test drives, you must be open enough to talk about the negative sides of your ride and not cover them up with untruth.

Ive also test driven the Camry 2.0G last week and yes NVH is good but where is your so called 'good pickup'? What were your expectations then? Were u comparing with a Viva? The 2.0L Camry is sluggish (as expected) and once you hit the 2nd gear the car goes into some semi conscious state. It was the same with the previous gen Camry. How do you expect a car as heavy as the Camry with only 146Hp and 190Nm torque to have 'excellent' pickup? This is actually common sense. Even my Optima with 163Hp, 198Nm torque is still a bit sluggish what more the 2.0 Camry.  rclxub.gif

May i also ask where you managed to hit 120kmph and take coners at high speed? What was your test drive route?

Plus, how do you define 'interior quality'? Do tell me whats on the side door panels. Its hard plastics. What's on the front audio panel? Cheap plastics again. If u say the 2.5 Camry has got better interior quality, yes i agree but the 2.0L interior is crap for that price range. Both Toyota and Honda are cutting costs by providing much cheaper interiors as its evident in the Camry and also the new Civic.

Dont just be a blind supporter. Its very easy to see through some of your comments.
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bro.. i'm 99% sure he's kevinw23 in disguise la.. same style.. you should know better brows.gif
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post Jul 27 2012, 11:53 AM

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Hi Guys.

Am new here and can feel lots of anger and frustration coming from u guys.
Personally would appreciate all opinions and views (good n bad) given, and if any doubts with a pinch of salt.
There is no necessity to condemn nor argue with our fellow bros.
Let this board be cordial.

I am here to share and obtain as much information because of great fascination with cars.
Frankly speaking, have a special liking for the new 2.5L Camry and now contemplating.....uh very tough decision.

Cheers Guys and Selamat Puasa to our Muslim Brothers.


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post Jul 27 2012, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(uncle57 @ Jul 27 2012, 11:53 AM)
Frankly speaking, have a special liking for the new 2.5L Camry and now contemplating.....uh very tough decision.
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if u like it , u buy it. its ur money.

when buying car, the hardest decision should only be WHICH COLOUR.
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post Jul 27 2012, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(vey99 @ Jul 27 2012, 11:11 AM)
safety feature in car, is improve a lot and even p1/p2 have put in safety feature.
how much or how little, is driven by market requirement.

toyota is a business first, and a carmaker second. reduction of feature happens, simply because they can do it and its commercially viable. they probably have data on features and usage, as well as safety stats on accidents involving their vehicles.

there is still a big chunk of buyers who do not want to pay for features, and the common requirement is the "stature" of the car, the comfort while seated, and the practicality and resale. this group is what toyota, as a business, cater for.
This only applies to Asian countries mind you. Toyota has a totally different approach to customers in US, Europe and Australia. It all boils down to what the paying customer accepts. As long as Malaysians keep accepting low safety standards for higher pricing, then car makers like Toyota will continue to feed us with vehicles which come with the lack of such important features.
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QUOTE(vey99 @ Jul 27 2012, 11:25 AM)
180k for 2.0L
i rather the camry.
180K for the 2.0L? Who told you that?
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 27 2012, 12:05 PM)
This only applies to Asian countries mind you. Toyota has a totally different approach to customers in US, Europe and Australia. It all boils down to what the paying customer accepts. As long as Malaysians keep accepting low safety standards for higher pricing, then car makers like Toyota will continue to feed us with vehicles which come with the lack of such important features.
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All the more we msians need to demand more safety features and lives are more important than higher RVs.

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 27 2012, 12:05 PM)
This only applies to Asian countries mind you. Toyota has a totally different approach to customers in US, Europe and Australia. It all boils down to what the paying customer accepts. As long as Malaysians keep accepting low safety standards for higher pricing, then car makers like Toyota will continue to feed us with vehicles which come with the lack of such important features.
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yes, i refer to our market.

amerikan spec wat sh1t also got.

QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 27 2012, 12:06 PM)
180K for the 2.0L? Who told you that?
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est pricing base on how car prices are moving upwards in line with proton prices increase.

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QUOTE(vey99 @ Jul 27 2012, 12:13 PM)
est pricing base on how car prices are moving upwards in line with proton prices increase.
No way the upcoming Mazda 6 2.0L will be 180K la especially now since we have more competitors in the D segment as compared to before. I would expect the new Mazda 6 2.0L to be around 160K (OTR) using the Camry 2.0G as a benchmark.

The Camry won't come close to the upcoming Mazda 6 in terms of design, specs, performance and handling.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 27 2012, 12:31 PM)
No way the upcoming Mazda 6 2.0L will be 180K la especially now since we have more competitors in the D segment as compared to before. I would expect the new Mazda 6 2.0L to be around 160K (OTR) using the Camry 2.0G as a benchmark.

The Camry won't come close to the upcoming Mazda 6 in terms of design, specs, performance and handling.
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bermaz knows the 6 wont appeal to the masses. so its going to target those with taste for the design. and squeeze the ringgits out of these ppl. its not hard to be more attractive than camry on paper, so features will be there to entice u, and so its perfectly logical to price it above the camry, and earn more. even that hanokuku dude said he wont mind pay 180+K for the 6.
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QUOTE(vey99 @ Jul 27 2012, 12:39 PM)
bermaz knows the 6 wont appeal to the masses. so its going to target those with taste for the design. and squeeze the ringgits out of these ppl. its not hard to be more attractive than camry on paper, so features will be there to entice u, and so its perfectly logical to price it above the camry, and earn more. even that hanokuku dude said he wont mind pay 180+K for the 6.
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Hmmm, I dunno. It would be foolish to go after a niche market for them.

From a personal point of view, I would not pay an amount that is higher than their continental competitors - it's just like I would not pay 180k for the Camry because the brand and the car is not worth the asking price. So even if the M6 can throw in all the bells and whistles, I'd still find it hard to justify paying so much money.... and for a Japanese car!!!

I believe the smarter thing for them to do is throw in almost all the bells and whistles or at least have 3/4 of all the gadgets found on the K5, keep 6 airbags and price it around 160k to 165k and they've got a solid Camry killer.

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