But spec wise the Optima is behind the Peugeot 508 but surely much better than the Camry/Accord/Jetta and Passat 1.8. Interior design of the 508 is the best among the lot. Very luxurious. The interior of the Optima doesnt suit its exterior. Very nice and sleek on the outisde but rather dull on the inside. European flair.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jan 7 2012, 09:21 AM

touching this kind of cars can cry one

a 5 month forte 2.0 trade in by dealer is only rm60K ...

but seller wans rm90K

so funny

no value also

Dealer is taking advantage of the past korean car history. They buy the car at low value but sure will sell them much higher.
I am happy to take a 5 month forte 2.0 at 75k if you ask me.
In fact there is one currently advetised on mudah at very attractive price. But the colour is not my preferred and i want to wait for Elantra to launch first before deciding.

Cos he still owe bank 90k bcos interest included.

In my opinion, don't be bothered too much pertaining to the resale value. After 4-5years the resale value difference is probably 10-15k (only my guess-timate, something like jap car 50k, korean car 35k) between the Jap and Korean car, which is not really a big amount for a person who's buying a 140-150k vehicle. Besides, if you could afford a 150k vehicle right now, 5yrs down the road you could be doing even better then, you'll probably ignore the difference. So if you like it, why not just buy it and enjoy the ride? Well, i'm driving a kenari right now, so longer i delay my decision, the longer i'll have to suffer in my washing machine on wheels (i love my kenari for its versatility but i'm getting old and i long for a more comfortable car )

What really bothers me right now is the selling price, would they give hefty discounts 6mth to a year later? Am I being cheated if i buy it now? Any wise man out there can answer my question???

I think the difference is much bigger. Let me give u an example:

2003 Hyundai Sonata 2.0L original purchase price approx RM 110K current selling price RM25K (77% loss in resale value)
2003 Toyota Vios 1.5L purchase price RM74,700 current selling price RM 41K (45% loss in resale value)

I know its not an ideal example since its a different segment but its just to give you an idea. Sorry to bring up the Vios again.

Koreans pre 2008 are the worst horrible rubbish ever produced second to the Chinese. They deserve the low price.

But since then they have improved so much even exceeding the Japan in quality and technology and styling. The vios at 74k in it's time was also pure cheap plastic push around type of car that isn't worth of that price.

On that level both were overpriced and both rubbish

Nobody is talking bout quality, specs, trim levels or your perception of both cars. We are taking mainly about RESALE VALUES. Stick to the point please.

My point is, resale values will improve with the newer generation cars but to expect the difference to be only 10-15K is a tad over the top. Might happen in say 10 years if the Japs continue their stagnation but surely not now.

Btw, that so called 'cheap plastic' car called the Vios doesnt have a squeek or rattle despite being 8.5 yrs old.

resale is largely affected by the quality of the product, the old sonata were very well known for extremely poor quality.

The new ones are very high quality hence the quality does play a role in resale and now the resale of the new kia won't dip as low as the old ones

I must say i agree with RCRACER's points. The old sonata/optima were so hopeless that i'd rather drive a MYVI, thus, the resale value then were horrible.

Only time will tell how the current generation would perform in terms of resale value but i guess the new Hyundai Sonata is doing not too bad currently.

The new ones are very high quality? Are u sure? Dont confuse design and specs with quality. Even the newer Toyota's have more problems compared to the older models.

The main factor affecting resale value is DEMAND. Demand comes from a range of criteria e.g quality, durability, after sales service standards, price and specs. Quality alone has little standing. Demand of the current Korean models are better for sure and resale value will be better than previous models. But how much better is the question here. Time will tell.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jan 7 2012, 05:48 PM

Quality is acceptable loh. I've checked out the new Passat, now, that is high quality but off course it is 30k more lah while giving you less. I've compared the Accord and Sonata a while ago, Sonata is just a little behind the Accord, but other factors like spec and trimmings also count lah.

Quality of the koreans, yes, it's very high, even the germans themselves are surprised, if the CEO of VW has to check himself the koreans, it means they have an idea of what they are doing.



And now with koreans offering even up to 7 years warranty on their cars, who wants to sell theirs after 2 years? Unless forced sale, so these will drive the resale value up because supply will be much much less than demand with long warranties on cars.

If the japs can't offer the same warranty, their cars instead will flood the market and drive pricing down

Only idiot like you would pay RM41k for a 8 yrs old sh*t old banger.
Very very old fashion thinking. Open your mind mate there's more than just Vios out there. Btw I'm a Toyota owner.

Willing buyer, willing seller, not good to call him an idiot because you'll group quite big portion of Malaysian population into the idiot category.

yes, better buy new myvi or saga. at least its brand new.

but, i think second hand car dealers also needs to be blamed on this.

dont call people idiot, he just give an example only...wise man never call one stupid or idiot.

most used car dealer are those who only sell car in demand and those demand was due to the perception of quality car of T and H in the past.
anyway, no matter what, if u looking for a car, look for the one that you are happy with, if you got the bucks doesn't matter jap or korean cars, you can afford to buy another one

debating like this never end.

This post has been edited by stargate8: Jan 7 2012, 11:01 PM

Well said mate! I'm no wise man, they dont do sensitive over here. I always complain, complain & complain more untill I get result. That's how the west work.

I guess my dad is in the idiot clan too lol. But he's over 60 said it all isn't it?

Bro, you can't take two different segments to validate your statement. A young man starting out is highly unlikely to consider an old D-segment for various reasons, including high FC, high maintenance costs, higher road tax and an uncle image, among other things. A cheaper to maintain C or B segment car is more suited to them. As such, D segment cars tend to depreciate more than a B or C segment car. And, once you see the rough calculations I did below, it will change a lot of perceptions. I must admit I too was shocked at the results. Do indulge me:

Let's compare the following D segment cars:

2003 Camry 2.0 (the big backside model) New price = RM140k
2003 Sonata 2.0 New price = RM110K

2003 Camry 2.0 now = RM55k
2003 Sonata 2.0 now = RM25k

Camry's residual value = (55/140) x 100 = 39.28%, depreciation = 60.72% or RM85k
Sonata's residual value = (25/110) x 100 = 22.73%, depreciation = 77.27% or RM85k

So at the end of the day, what does it tell you? If you take away the percentages and other figures and look at the bottomline, both cars lost RM85k over a span of 9 yrs, or a flatline depreciation of RM9,444 per annum.

Most of the time if u plan to owned a car more than 5 year u can think less about the resale value.. Though this is not really applicable to Malaysian where majority loan taken are 7 to 9 years... So u want to get loan more than 5 years the resale value is quite important becoz sometimes this ppl tangan gatal after 5 years want change car n found out their car even after selling still owned the bank money n dun have money to paid for new car dp