but i got quite extreme attitude towards korean product lo.. i don like samsung n all tat.. electronics i oso try 2 avoid korean.. hahaha

btw tis car is the only 100++k car which doesnt feels cheap lo.. the interior in par with merc to me..

If compare with current accord and camry...im ok with tthat price....unless new accord come out with something advance with current price.....then can consider..

Don't be so naive. Everything is made in China these days. Apple, LG, HTC etc. Electronics today aren't made to last. A Merc today is no longer as tough and durable as it used to be 30 yrs ago. Same with Jap cars.

The way you put it is as if you've owned a few Korean cars in the past and they've all let you down. I don't know where you live, but around my neighbourhood plenty of Getz, Aveo, Spectra, Matrix etc are still running around. Their mechanical engineering back then may not be good, but many ppl have said that those cars, even though with mechanical issues, are rock solid in terms of suspension and bodywork.

Are you driving a Kia to judge that Naza "has plenty of rooms for improvement."?

3yrs by today's standards is a fairly new car, but a new car it is not. And judging by the general population and how "well" they take care of their cars, 3yrs makes a car really old.

Why do you think a 10yo S-class is cheap? You need to thank our govt's archaic road tax policy. The smallest engine on an S-class is a 2.8-litre. That's RM1.6k for road tax. And by dirt cheap, you do know that it's still going for between RM75-88k right? Compare that to a same year Camry 2.0 or 2.2 going for about RM28-35k. It's still more than double the price.

How can you compare a 10yo Jap car against a 10yo Conti and call the latter "dull"?

If I could afford the FC, road tax and maintenance of a 10yo S-Class I'd buy one in a heartbeat! The reality is, someone wanting to own a 10yo S-Class is someone who can afford a brand new RM170k D-segment car with a 2.4 or smaller engine. So pls don't condemn that car, or an old Bimmer for that matter.

It is Naza strategy la.. rip the money from hardcore fanboys 1st..
lt later on put on huge discount on past slow moving model..

at the end, hardcore fanboys suffer the most..and talk another way round..

Good luck..

This post has been edited by keeting89: Dec 29 2011, 11:01 AM

nothing built to last, a car can last for 10yrs is good enuf, otherwise how to sell more products, after 10 yrs buy new car with new fuel saving engine, after 10yrs from now, you may see more hybrid, electric and fuel cell car around, focus on earning more money, then you can afford better car, live in classy house, buy branded stuffs, travel here n there.

first, dont be so defensive/offensive, just sharing my point here, especially on WHY ppl are scare of korean product.

second, you should get a used S class, if you can afford the Air suspension at rm20k per set. S class brand new(recon) is more than 600k, so, 10 years later, its only 15%, yes, thats dirt cheap to me.

yea, i know everything is made in china. so?

Electronics arent made to last? so how about all those aircrafts and mainframes? they have their design life, some are shorter, some are made to last longer. it depends on the design spec.

the concept of Jap car and COnti is different ( and korean being in the middle, trying to move towards conti side).

jap = in terms of R&D, they are more on development. Less on R. they go for continuous improvement.Hybrid, its only in small numbers and in selected models.

conti = More on Research side. they are more willing to take on new tech, and implement it across. Like DSG, and twincharger, suddenly in 1 generation, its available across all platforms.

pros and cons? well you know, Jap= durable and reliable( of course and boring). and Conti= very fancy and fun, but, needs more caring and love, and deeper pocket too.

People here and now are still used to the concept of longer lasting car.

do you need to be electrocuted before you are sure high voltage kills? now you know why human being can last for so many generations right? because ppl are cautious.

just saw a Forte with a LEXUS logo!
Too bad this car is produced by KIA.

If it's Chevrolet/Honda/Toyota, sure lotsa ppl grab it without further hesitation.

i dunno if buy korea product will be label as a korean fanboy...
i buy coz value the money... if civic, lancer, forte, inspira, sylphy, altis sell at the same price (ie : 90k for 2.0cc) do u think i'll buy forte ? i bet until today i dunno which one to choose...
naza will not have a chance to rip my money if they sell forte at 120k... same goes to optima too...
IMHO, optima should sell around 120k only... i've a chance to see my 'ori' car price (in custom form) before has been mark-up by naza and i WTF a lot... so damn cheap... if PROTON was never been built in BOLEHLAND, we can enjoy that cheaper price...
if 2012 japs car come with a new model with a new price below 100k for 2.0cc, i maybe switch back to japs...
bcoz of i bought a korean once, isn't meaning i'll stick to korean again 4ever...
and which slowing model has been given huge discount... are u refering to naza ria...? old skool story...?

This post has been edited by epo: Dec 29 2011, 11:35 AM

the 2 door koup is even better looking.. too bad i don hav time 2 test drive it yest.. and all car at the showroom is owned by people ady.. hope i got chance 2 try it..

dun fool ur eyes with the LOGO... i've a wira with MITSU logo 10 years ago...

i don understand how u differentiate the R and the D here.. care 2 explain??

well, as usual, japanese cares more on Development, instead of Research. Not to say they do not research, but a bigger portion is on developing the existing technology, and perfect it, without reinvent the wheel.One step at a time.

look at fuel saving tech, or Horsepower tech. Honda being the most famous, they can have very good FC car, and also very high HP car, ( the B16 engine can get almost 100hp/1 liter engine displacement, this is near to ferrari territory).

and also, jap car maker is very slow in changing and making fast decision.

The ground breaking technology is seldom came from jap car maker. look at VW, at one moment they get all cars with diesel, then now with turbos, and then now twincharger, and then next they said twincharger will be abandon and go for 1 turbo is enough.And now almost all vw cars has DSG gearbox.

COnti car maker is very keen on introducing the new technology, but they never hold on to one for a very long time( not as long as jap car maker). Look at volvo at active safety technology, but, are their car good to hold on for more than 10 years.

To the consumer, conti car maker is good when you are loaded, and wanna shop for newest and fastest which gadget to impress your frens, imagine the HUD in bmw or pug 3008( not in any jap car that i heard of ).

But in msia, which a majority is still not making enough money, jap car is obviously the choice for the masses. Look at those old c70 honda that is everywhere. Of course not forgetting japan is nearer to msia, so the spare part is easier to obtain comparing with euro countries.

not to say jap or euro is good or bad, its always two side of a coin, and just pick the one you want.

10 years later, malaysia no more petrol....hybrid too expensive...and .i probably downgrade to bicycle then or naik bus...haha...

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Added on December 29, 2011, 11:59 amNice Analysis. Yes, Japanese companies are slow to move...got pros and cons...for the car industry it's probably ok...but for electronics industry where fast paced are needed, onced giants like SONY are being slaughthered by Samsung now, being fast and reactive to the market.

This post has been edited by SushiBurgerX: Dec 29 2011, 11:59 AM

other country maybe 5-10 years ppl get to change car.... malaysia.... i think most ppl change car here after driving 15 years.

spot on!

jap company are slow to make changes, thats why they cannot win F1.

look at honda? after they pull out, immediately brawn GP won F1(ok, not as simple) , lol. epic fail.

if you know the secrets in airplane manufacturing, u will be amazed by the profit margin
honda robotics, we may live to see robots in the army.
majority in msia can only afford P1 and P2.
T&H only those middle class
conti, meant for the rich

can we have 1malaysia car factory that everyone can build your own car. this will encourage more sme setup in malaysia hence every rakyat can enjoy better and cheaper car. all parts made in malaysia.
we have most of the raw material in malaysia, why P1 P2 still sell at high price?
arent they suppose to be national pride and help the poor?

kindly email to najib@1malaysia.com.my
only he has the answer...

saw those concept 3wheels compact city car, shiok.

even now hybrid still expensive to own, if human were to unite and focus on technology advancement rather spend it on wars, we may already exploring space.

mentality got to change for the better.

can we have flying cars, sick of traffic jams, any genius here???

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Added on December 29, 2011, 12:27 pmnot easy being a pm, its like stuck in between, some of us may knew why.
steer clear from politics and focus on something that makes life better


This post has been edited by stargate8: Dec 29 2011, 12:27 PM

Just saw the optima at the red cube in pj, it still under some renovation. Only 2 optimas were there.
Besides the look of the car, theres really nothing special about the car. The moment i open the door, i can feel its using cheapskate material.door feels hollow. Then i step in, everything looks so cheapo. The door openers looks like the silver finish can come off anytime. And the paddle shifters feel like they made of cheap plastic,flimsy. When u get in the car, u dont get the premium feeling an accord or mazda 6 gives u.

The driver seat electric seat motor is so noisy i bet it couldnt last a year without breaking down.overall, it looks good outside but inside is still typical cheapo korean material all around.

all those money spent on cars in malaysia, is a lot.
those money can be well spent in education and better living.
policy must change otherwise in the long run will suffer.
open market, those who can afford fuel without subsidy let them decide.
gov can generate income from elsewhere and pls revise income tax (those rich people lar, warren B said so)

i think we are off topic already...