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post Oct 14 2019, 03:53 PM

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649.999MHz (UHF43)
101 TV1 [1080i + HbbTV]
102 TV2 [1080i + HbbTV]
110 TV Okey [1080i + HbbTV]
111 rtm HD SPORTS [1080i + HbbTV]
123 BES [1080i + HbbTV]
701 NAS FM [Radio]
702 Traxx FM [Radio]
703 Minnal FM [Radio]
704 Ai FM [Radio]
705 KLASIKfm [Radio]
706 ASYIKfm [Radio]

The upper channel, mytv cannot ahow

The bottom all shows with no problem.
Rescan 5 times also the same.

Kedah Bedong area.




681.999MHz (UHF47)
103 TV3 HD [1080i + HbbTV]
104 CJ WOW SHOP [576i]
106 CJ WOW SHOP [576i]
107 NTV7 [576i]
108 8TV [576i]
109 TV9 [576i]
114 TVAH [1080i]
120 Go Shop [1080i]
121 BNC [576i]


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post Oct 14 2019, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(evanttc @ Oct 14 2019, 03:53 PM)
649.999MHz (UHF43)
101 TV1 [1080i + HbbTV]
102 TV2 [1080i + HbbTV]
110 TV Okey [1080i + HbbTV]
111 rtm HD SPORTS [1080i + HbbTV]
123 BES [1080i + HbbTV]
701 NAS FM [Radio]
702 Traxx FM [Radio]
703 Minnal FM [Radio]
704 Ai FM [Radio]
705 KLASIKfm [Radio]
706 ASYIKfm [Radio]

The upper channel, mytv cannot ahow

The bottom all shows with no problem.
Rescan 5 times also the same.

Kedah Bedong area.
681.999MHz (UHF47)
103 TV3 HD [1080i + HbbTV]
104 CJ WOW SHOP [576i]
106 CJ WOW SHOP [576i]
107 NTV7 [576i]
108 8TV [576i]
109 TV9 [576i]
114 TVAH [1080i]
120 Go Shop [1080i]
121 BNC [576i]
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Should be OK since Bedong closed to Gn. Jerai but a lot of ppl experienced the RTM mux is more difficult to lock the signal compared to Media Prima mux.
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post Oct 14 2019, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(evanttc @ Oct 14 2019, 03:53 PM)
649.999MHz (UHF43)
101 TV1 [1080i + HbbTV]
102 TV2 [1080i + HbbTV]
110 TV Okey [1080i + HbbTV]
111 rtm HD SPORTS [1080i + HbbTV]
123 BES [1080i + HbbTV]
701 NAS FM [Radio]
702 Traxx FM [Radio]
703 Minnal FM [Radio]
704 Ai FM [Radio]
705 KLASIKfm [Radio]
706 ASYIKfm [Radio]

The upper channel, mytv cannot ahow

The bottom all shows with no problem.
Rescan 5 times also the same.

Kedah Bedong area.
681.999MHz (UHF47)
103 TV3 HD [1080i + HbbTV]
104 CJ WOW SHOP [576i]
106 CJ WOW SHOP [576i]
107 NTV7 [576i]
108 8TV [576i]
109 TV9 [576i]
114 TVAH [1080i]
120 Go Shop [1080i]
121 BNC [576i]
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What's the signal reading you get for 682MHz mux? Strength and Quality how many %?
How about the BER reading? Is it shown as 0?
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post Oct 14 2019, 10:58 PM

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The earlier's episode of Majalah 3 programme on TV3, mentioned about MYTV myFreeview digital TV reception.
It talks about viewers staying in very rural areas that is unable to receive TV signals at all, where myFreeview is "here to the rescue".
Here are some screenshots, from Tonton TV3:

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This one is the DTH satellite dish installation. DTH is used where the viewer can't get any TV signals at all due to mountainous area and far away from DTT transmitter.

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This one I seriously clueless. shakehead.gif
It says "it isn't be affected by weather", yet the installer is connects the cable to the F connector port on the MYTV hybrid box, which is the port to connect to satellite dish
MYTV DTH satellite uses Ku band, so rain fade will happen, same like Astro. They should get their facts right before airing content like this... doh.gif

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"A 4, 5, or 8 element antenna" Hmmm... Is he referring to JP-5E and JP-8E UHF antenna? I read that it is a Malaysian brand product... tongue.gif

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This one talks about installing a UHF antenna in a rural area. And...

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...this is how they try to detect signal? Using a 5 element (5E) antenna is enough oh?
So this JP-5E outdoor UHF antenna is somehow "recommended" by MYTV? hmm.gif

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Hmm, their digital TV signal finder device.

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A close up shot of the 5 element UHF antenna being install at viewer's home by the authorised MYTV installer.

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This antenna so cute and small. Feel like want to buy liao sweat.gif

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Aiyoo... Pity those who has no chance to watch a clear TV reception since like, almost forever.
It's good to see that they can now watch TV clearly. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

*Note: All screenshots above are for references and educational purposes only. No copyright infringement intended.

Missed the show? Catch it on TV3 YouTube here, start from 27:17:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MociWWYpGY8...youtu.be&t=1637

It talks about a rural family's well being at first, but if you wish to skip to main part that starts to mention about MYTV, go to 29:46:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MociWWYpGY8...youtu.be&t=1786

*English subtitle only available during TV telecast, but no subtitles available on YouTube.

This post has been edited by joshhd: Oct 14 2019, 11:05 PM
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post Oct 14 2019, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Oct 14 2019, 10:58 PM)
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A close up shot of the 5 element UHF antenna being install at viewer's home by the authorised MYTV installer.

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This antenna so cute and small. Feel like want to buy liao  sweat.gif

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I see four elements there, two directors, one reflector and a folded dipole

To me it looks too broadband, those director elements are very short at <700 MHz and closely spaced
It will work, but not very well
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post Oct 14 2019, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(dayojah @ Oct 14 2019, 11:06 PM)
I see four elements there, two directors, one reflector and a folded dipole

To me it looks too broadband, those director elements are very short at <700 MHz and closely spaced
It will work, but not very well
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Opps sorry. As I look closely, it's 4 elements antenna sweat.gif
I was wondering, the reflector and folded dipole? Is it important?
I see some UHF antennas out there, some doesn't have reflector and folded dipole. Only directors.
Does the 2 matter much?
I need some technical UHF antenna advice here biggrin.gif

And what you mean "too broadband"? You mean it should be widely spaced for better reception or what?
And I wonder how come I Google search on Malaysia's 4 elements UHF antennas but no result, but JP-5E one like very common...
4 elements is "limited edition" or what? Or they've stopped selling 4 element antenna as it doesn't work very well like what you said?

This post has been edited by joshhd: Oct 14 2019, 11:15 PM
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post Oct 14 2019, 11:20 PM

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The folded dipole gives a better match to Yagi antennas. Many cheap ones just use a simple dipole connected to the coax - simpler to make.
Always the second element added is the reflector at the back, slightly longer than the dipole. This gives the biggest jump in gain
After this director elements are added at the front. These are shorter and more and more are added to increase gain, but this is diminishing returns. You end up with a very long antenna like those you see in Muar aimed at Singapore. Very fragile and spoiled by heavy birds

I prefer 4 Bay Bow-Ties like this, not available in Malaysia unfortunately
https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=HDB4X
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post Oct 14 2019, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(dayojah @ Oct 14 2019, 11:20 PM)
The folded dipole gives a better match to Yagi antennas. Many cheap ones just use a simple dipole connected to the coax - simpler to make.
Always the second element added is the reflector at the back, slightly longer than the dipole. This gives the biggest jump in gain
After this director elements are added at the front. These are shorter and more and more are added to increase gain, but this is diminishing returns. You end up with a very long antenna like those you see in Muar aimed at Singapore. Very fragile and spoiled by heavy birds

I prefer 4 Bay Bow-Ties like this, not available in Malaysia unfortunately
https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=HDB4X
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Hmm.. I'm somehow looking for a good UHF outdoor antenna that allow me to
- easy to set up, easy to dismantle, easy to keep. as long can dismantle into pieces and portable.
- transmitter distance from my place is about 50km, with almost clear line of sight.
- temporary type of installation, yet can get very good, reliable and stable signal even on ground level (not permanent on rooftop or 2m above ground)

I know outdoor antenna is meant to install on rooftop, but I want something that is powerful, strong, reliable, not too big yet can portable.

Which antennas would you recommend me that can fulfil my needs. I'm kinda confused on some antenna's directors are "rounded shape", some are flat shape type like JP-5E. Which is better??
https://shopee.com.my/Digital-Antenna-UHF-H...38079.313253815
JP-5E looks like easy to keep and portable, and many say that the reception is pretty strong and reliable, and pretty recommended.

https://shopee.com.my/JP-8E-Digital-Tv-Ante...8079.1666527125
This JP-8E is like the extension over JP-5E, but it doesn't seems like it can be easily dismantle into 2 pieces for easy keeping and mobile/portable. Reception wise, supposed to be better than the JP-E but to what extent?

https://shopee.com.my/ME-Uhf-HDTV-Outdoor-D...38079.435769904
Some say, more elements means better.

https://shopee.com.my/Homestar-Hsar-5700-Di...8079.1392113008
This 14-E UHF antenna with reflector seems pretty good, and from the picture and buyers comment photos, this one can dismantle into 2 pieces.
Hmm, how big is the difference between this and JP-8E and JP-5E?

Oh man, I'm confused... Which antenna do you recommend?
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post Oct 14 2019, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(evanttc @ Oct 14 2019, 03:53 PM)
649.999MHz (UHF43)
101 TV1 [1080i + HbbTV]
102 TV2 [1080i + HbbTV]
110 TV Okey [1080i + HbbTV]
111 rtm HD SPORTS [1080i + HbbTV]
123 BES [1080i + HbbTV]
701 NAS FM [Radio]
702 Traxx FM [Radio]
703 Minnal FM [Radio]
704 Ai FM [Radio]
705 KLASIKfm [Radio]
706 ASYIKfm [Radio]

The upper channel, mytv cannot ahow

The bottom all shows with no problem.
Rescan 5 times also the same.

Kedah Bedong area.
681.999MHz (UHF47)
103 TV3 HD [1080i + HbbTV]
104 CJ WOW SHOP [576i]
106 CJ WOW SHOP [576i]
107 NTV7 [576i]
108 8TV [576i]
109 TV9 [576i]
114 TVAH [1080i]
120 Go Shop [1080i]
121 BNC [576i]
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I'm though Kedah & Penang should be 666MHz(Non HD channel) & 698MHz(HD channel)?
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post Oct 14 2019, 11:54 PM

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They get really creative counting elements these days.
The second last is probably the best.
Why don't they make them 470Mz to 700 MHz, making a Yagi work all the way up to 860 MHz really spoils the performance
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post Oct 15 2019, 12:48 AM

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Analogue switch off (ASO) on 15 Oct midnight for Gn Ulu Kali transmitter:

TV9 show colour bar at 12am, and then shows ASO message at the same time as TV3.

TV3 close down around 12.33am after national anthem, then it crossfade (transition) to the ASO message.
Both TV3 and TV9 shows ASO message on 12.33am.

TV1 and TV2 suddenly become no audio on 12.34am. Video is up as usual. Seconds later, TV1 channel suddenly show TV2 (so random lol), 1 sec later, it switches back to TV1, seconds later, ASO message appears on both TV1 and TV2 channels.

Lol, not so smooth transition to the ASO for RTM channels. The broadcast guys must be pressed wrong button lol

Now, only NTV7 and 8TV is up on air. NTV7 is due to switch off at 1am, 8TV is at 2am.

UPDATE 1.00am: NTV7 is now showing test card. Less than 1 minute later, screen suddenly went gray??? Then ASO message appears. Then become gray screen again. Lol

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Media Prima likes it gray? Lol?
Btw ignore the weird vertical lines on the left... It's the poor signal thing.

Btw 8TV is found to be switched off at the same time too, which is so unexpected... I thought they'll end it as they close down at 2am, but turns out they wanna do it ahead of schedule....

So there you have it. ANALOGUE TV is FINALLY DEAD, in Peninsular Malaysia. After 7 days from today, all analogue stations will officially go off air (no signal at all) and that's the end of analogue era, for real.

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post Oct 15 2019, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Oct 15 2019, 12:48 AM)
Analogue switch off (ASO) on 15 Oct midnight for Gn Ulu Kali transmitter:

TV9 show colour bar at 12am, and then shows ASO message at the same time as TV3.

TV3 close down around 12.33am after national anthem, then it crossfade (transition) to the ASO message.
Both TV3 and TV9 shows ASO message on 12.33am.

TV1 and TV2 suddenly become no audio on 12.34am. Video is up as usual. Seconds later, TV1 channel suddenly show TV2 (so random lol), 1 sec later, it switches back to TV1, seconds later, ASO message appears on both TV1 and TV2 channels.

Lol, not so smooth transition to the ASO for RTM channels. The broadcast guys must be pressed wrong button lol

Now, only NTV7 and 8TV is up on air. NTV7 is due to switch off at 1am, 8TV is at 2am.
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NTV7 and 8TV already ASO but NTV7 just show grey background without ASO message.
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On Bukit Besar:

TV3 & TV9: 12.30am
TV1 & TV2: 12.46am
ntv7: 1.04am
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post Oct 15 2019, 02:52 AM

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QUOTE(dayojah @ Oct 14 2019, 11:54 PM)
They get really creative counting elements these days.
The second last is probably the best.
Why don't they make them 470Mz to 700 MHz, making a Yagi work all the way up to 860 MHz really spoils the performance
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Why do u the second last is probably the best? Bcuz of more elements or what?

https://shopee.com.my/Homestar-Hsar-5700-Di...8079.1392113008
This one has 14 elements, more than the second last as u mentioned.
And gt reflector somemore. Does it mean this is better?
How to judge its build quality, gain, and other stuff from this?

And how about the difference between flat shape and rounded shape rods on the directors?
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post Oct 15 2019, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(dayojah @ Oct 14 2019, 11:54 PM)
They get really creative counting elements these days.
The second last is probably the best.
Why don't they make them 470Mz to 700 MHz, making a Yagi work all the way up to 860 MHz really spoils the performance
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Got point too. Especially when after switchover, frequency from 700mhz upwards are unused anymore for TV after Digital TV networks has moved down to below 698MHz.
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Hi, I have a problem with my newly purchased DVB-T2 box. I plugged the box into my tv with the existing tv antenna coming out from the condo (in PJ area) wall antenna socket, and scanned for channels. Only RTM and TV3 channels came up, like 5 of them, all worked ok. But Media Prima channels like TV9, 8TV and such cannot be found even after repeated scans, anyone knows what can I do? Will buying a digital antenna help? Thanks so much.
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QUOTE(dark.knight @ Oct 15 2019, 10:35 AM)
Hi, I have a problem with my newly purchased DVB-T2 box. I plugged the box into my tv with the existing tv antenna coming out from the condo (in PJ area) wall antenna socket, and scanned for channels. Only RTM and TV3 channels came up, like 5 of them, all worked ok. But Media Prima channels like TV9, 8TV and such cannot be found even after repeated scans, anyone knows what can I do? Will buying a digital antenna help? Thanks so much.
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Can you confirm again what are all the channels you can receive on digital TV? List out all channel names.

How about the signal strength % reading? Is it high, like over 70% or something?
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QUOTE(joshhd @ Oct 15 2019, 10:42 AM)
Can you confirm again what are all the channels you can receive on digital TV? List out all channel names.

How about the signal strength % reading? Is it high, like over 70% or something?
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I am not at home now so I will just recall from memory. There was RTM1, RTM2, TV3, BES, and a Sports HD (unsure).

The signal strength is about 50% or less, definitely not 70-80% range.
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QUOTE(dark.knight @ Oct 15 2019, 10:46 AM)
I am not at home now so I will just recall from memory. There was RTM1, RTM2, TV3, BES, and a Sports HD (unsure).

The signal strength is about 50% or less, definitely not 70-80% range.
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If you're sure that you can get RTM channels and TV3 HD, then I'm sure you can receive all 2 frequency mux for the digital TV. Have you tried auto scan again or something?

Signal strength for about 50% seems pretty weak to me.
Check the condition of your antenna cable, or connect another new cable. Make sure it's the RG6 type, not those "not so good quality cable types" such as 3C-2V or 5C-2V.

If problem still persists, contact your building management to check their centralise antenna MATV system.
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QUOTE(joshhd @ Oct 15 2019, 10:52 AM)
If you're sure that you can get RTM channels and TV3 HD, then I'm sure you can receive all 2 frequency mux for the digital TV. Have you tried auto scan again or something?

Signal strength for about 50% seems pretty weak to me.
Check the condition of your antenna cable, or connect another new cable. Make sure it's the RG6 type, not those "not so good quality cable types" such as 3C-2V or 5C-2V.

If problem still persists, contact your building management to check their centralise antenna MATV system.
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Ok thanks for the advice. Yes I am sure I can see RTM very clearly and have done multiple scans, but my cheapo cable may be the cause, and I didn't know there are different types. Thank you.

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