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post Nov 18 2005, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(almostthere @ Nov 18 2005, 12:30 PM)
i see many many pins or what structure is that anyway ???
no more jet design anymore ????
it seemed that larger surface still does the trick in waterblock design.


oh ya, the reservoir. i have got acrylic pipes, in 80mm OD and 100mm long.
can do any design with the end cover. it's for customization
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post Nov 18 2005, 09:01 PM

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Nice reservoir Allngap.. Long time never lepak with all you guys.. it seems that everyone's getting storm eh? Post la the result here after u DERA it.. hahahah
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QUOTE(louyeh @ Nov 18 2005, 10:33 AM)
bay reservoirs tend to have leaks from the barbs. worst is HDPE res, youll never know how tight to screw it in cuz the threads can expand.

silicone sealant will work fine. just use the white type, not the translucent one.
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Oh shite. I did mine with the clear type which dries to crystal clear look. Looks very nice as compared to the white type. Oh well, I suppose I'll run it like that first n c how.




QUOTE(almostthere @ Nov 18 2005, 12:30 PM)
Lookslike Swiftech's gone and done it again. New WB coming out soon and it's called the Apogee. Here's what I managed to grab from XS

Topic spotted here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=80366
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Haf u guys seen the new Swiftech kit? Very nice. Good solid kit n all ready made. Just buy n install. It comes with the Storm block, MCW655 pump, BIX2 rads n the new trend 7/16" hoses.

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QUOTE(almostthere @ Nov 18 2005, 12:30 PM)
Lookslike Swiftech's gone and done it again. New WB coming out soon and it's called the Apogee. Here's what I managed to grab from XS

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no wonder there a sudden price decrease of the Swifty Storm... they're at it again... somehow swifty still believe in the diamond pin matrix.. greater surface area.. but it created so much resistance for the flow... pressure drops... suitable pumps.. etc.... NVM.. just wait for the review. Hey any new result from other's G4?.. my AGP card just rosak on the G4 rig.. now on my P4 with the mcw6002.. sarjan got extra agp card?

all'n@ sexy res you've made there.. if can show more pics please + dimensions.
ianho@ err on my hdpe res, i've used epoxy (read somewhere at xs forum) for fixing the barbs with the res.
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post Nov 19 2005, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(ianho @ Nov 18 2005, 11:33 PM)
Oh shite. I did mine with the clear type which dries to crystal clear look. Looks very nice as compared to the white type. Oh well, I suppose I'll run it like that first n c how.
Haf u guys seen the new Swiftech kit? Very nice. Good solid kit n all ready made. Just buy n install. It comes with the Storm block, MCW655 pump, BIX2 rads n the new trend 7/16" hoses.
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the APEX kit eh? actually its not a BIX2 rad. neither is it a BIP2. coz the thickness is 34mm. BIP is 25mm thick while BIX is 45mm thick.
anybody got ideas on what rads those "quiet power" swiftech rads are?
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post Nov 19 2005, 01:38 AM

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UPDATE!!!
The Apogee page on Swiftech's website is back online.
http://www.swiftnets.com/products/APOGEE.asp

And looks like all their watercooling kits has been revised to use the Apogee waterblock. It succeeds the MCP6000 in the H20-80 and H20-120 kits, and replaces the Storm in the H20-220 kit as well.

something to note from swiftech's website...
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As a result the Apogee water-block may outperform our STORM model by a up to 1°C (at 100 Watts thermal load and 1.0 GPM), and further increase its lead in multiprocessor, multi-vga applications due to its low restriction characteristics as can be seen in our kit test results HERE.

another exerpt...
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A simple example illustrates this point quite clearly: using the same MCP350 pump, it will take three Apogee water-blocks in series to drop the flow rate to that of single Storm.

The Apogee sounds like a killer block here.
However, Cathar still believes the Storm G4 will outperform the Apogee block... albeit maybe in single block systems.
I personally think the Storm will perform better, at least in single blocks... although Swiftech's tests claim otherwise. marketing?
interesting... now we'll wait for real world performance.
I can't wait to review this as well.

finally, take note of the price...
the Storm's RRP is $84.95 while the Apogee's RRP is only $49.95. Thats quite a huge difference there considering their "possibly" small variation in performance.

from my observation one of the reasons for the reduced costs of the Apogee is that the Apogee's upper body is injection moulded from Acetal,
while on the Storm G4, both the upper(top cover) and lower(35 jets) Delrin Acetal bodies are CNC machined.

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QUOTE(MetalZone @ Nov 19 2005, 12:41 AM)
the APEX kit eh? actually its not a BIX2 rad. neither is it a BIP2. coz the thickness is 34mm. BIP is 25mm thick while BIX is 45mm thick.
anybody got ideas on what rads those "quiet power" swiftech rads are?
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Ya. I just checked back in the magazine n it says the rad is a MCR-220 rad.
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anybody knows what's the size of the tubing for Vantec Stingray set ?

amok : the acrylic pipe is 80mm in diameter (outer) and 100mm long.
can custom design the end covers to suit u
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Nov 19 2005, 09:07 PM)
anybody knows what's the size of the tubing for Vantec Stingray set ?

amok : the acrylic pipe is 80mm in diameter (outer) and 100mm long.
can custom design the end covers to suit u
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hey,
u know where to find 1/2" ID solid clear acrylic tube ar?
i've seen people use copper 90 degree angle tubes as well... do u know where to get those? what about acrylic or brass ones?

btw, the vantec stingray uses 3/8" tubing according to ray99mond.

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QUOTE(MetalZone @ Nov 19 2005, 09:26 PM)
hey,
u know where to find 1/2" ID solid clear acrylic tube ar?
i've seen people use copper 90 degree angle tubes as well... do u know where to get those? what about acrylic or brass ones?

btw, the vantec stingray uses 3/8" tubing according to ray99mond.
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It's not 3/8 IIRC. Coz I remember reading reviews about it saying that the only bad thing bout it is that they wished Vantec wud use bigger hoses such as 3/8 at least. I suspect they're using only 1/4 hoses like the Airbesar.
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QUOTE(ianho @ Nov 19 2005, 11:36 PM)
It's not 3/8 IIRC. Coz I remember reading reviews about it saying that the only bad thing bout it is that they wished Vantec wud use bigger hoses such as 3/8 at least. I suspect they're using only 1/4 hoses like the Airbesar.
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btw, any idea about my question?
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QUOTE(MetalZone @ Nov 19 2005, 09:26 PM)
hey,
u know where to find 1/2" ID solid clear acrylic tube ar?
i've seen people use copper 90 degree angle tubes as well... do u know where to get those? what about acrylic or brass ones?

btw, the vantec stingray uses 3/8" tubing according to ray99mond.
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solid ones ???
i guess have to order in one whole tube around 2m, no spare quantity
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Nov 20 2005, 09:44 AM)
solid ones ???
i guess have to order in one whole tube around 2m, no spare quantity
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order whole 2m? UGPM
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guys..im confused about tubings measurements..does the outer diameter matters?my theory is the thinner the walls the more flexible it is but allows for easier kinking and otherwise..and for pumps i need to know whats the difference between the D5 and the DDC?my setup will be a BIP3 and a storm and i`ll be adding a gpu wb in the future..which pump should i go with?

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QUOTE(pornstar @ Nov 20 2005, 11:54 PM)
guys..im confused about tubings measurements..does the outer diameter matters?my theory is the thinner the walls the more flexible it is but allows for easier kinking and otherwise..and for pumps i need to know whats the difference between the D5 and the DDC?my setup will be a BIP3 and a storm and i`ll be adding a gpu wb in the future..which pump should i go with?
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The hoses actually come in sum pretty standard sizes. ie 3/8id n 1/2od n so on. But it's possible to get sum weird sizes I suppose. The important thing is what type of hose joints ure using. If u use normal barbs then it's OK coz it just depends on the ID of the hose. BUT if u use compression fittings then the OD must match the fittings.
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QUOTE(pornstar @ Nov 20 2005, 11:54 PM)
guys..im confused about tubings measurements..does the outer diameter matters?my theory is the thinner the walls the more flexible it is but allows for easier kinking and otherwise..and for pumps i need to know whats the difference between the D5 and the DDC?my setup will be a BIP3 and a storm and i`ll be adding a gpu wb in the future..which pump should i go with?
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I would recommend a D5 instead of a DDC in this case. You will need that head pressure. The heat dump of the DDC is much less than a D5 but since u are gonna use a BIP3, it will be able to handle the heat. besides, you will be adding a GPU block which will also add more restriction to ur system.
The DDC wouldnt be sufficient to handle that unless you run two. Also note than the DDC is using 3/8" barbs while the D5 is using 1/2" barbs.
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thats what i thought too..oh i didn`t noticed that its using the 3/8" barbs..so anyone on my innerdiameter-outerdiameter tubings?
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from procooling... one hell of a waterblock...
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post Nov 21 2005, 08:53 PM

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Hmm my advice to newbies venturing to w-cool their systems, get quality & not pre-made budget kits ..

RM1K down the drain from a leaking ThermalTake Bigwater waterblock sad.gif
It wasnt leaking from the orifice but rathar a weird & sad place which is the miniscule gap between the acrylic & the copper block.. Weird because i have never disassembled the waterblock on the 1st place, sad because the water dripped on to the LGA processor bay & fried together with it an ES chip & the mobo itself. sad.gif

http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn01172rx.jpg


i guess no more WC for me-
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Arghhhh...stupid pump decided to leak due some hairline crack so patching it up with silicon gunk and hope for the best. Darn thing doesn't have the pressure to push out the airlocks and it's pissing me off. Another 2 hours wait...sigh

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