I just think that instead of wallowing in their own self pity, men should step up their game and deal with the fact that women's expectations have increased over the years. Men will ALWAYS be seen as providers. It has been this way since our forefathers first learned to walk upright. Things are getting more expensive these days, and women are earning more income. How can they not expect more out of men? Guys need to raise their game and man up.

Just for the sake of discussion... if women are able to earn themselves... then y lift the expectation on men instead but not lower their expectation on men???? of course this come back the question of one's attitude...

It's like I said, men will always be seen as providers, the head of the family, economically and emotionally. Women may earn more but they'd still like to know that their man can provide a security blanket. I get a little tired reading "women are materialistic" posts because I feel these posters don't completely understand their claim. A 'strong' man will always be more appealing than a 'weak' man. It's like I said in another post, "survival of the fittest". If she chooses a richer guy over a poorer guys, it's probably because the richer guy also has more appealing traits, unless he struck the lottery. People tend to only look at the surface. "Oh she went for the rich guy, she's so materialistic". As chance would have it, successful guys also have more appealing characteristics, like determination, ambition, charm, etc. Are there girls who are in it purely for the money? Of course but much less than some posters make it out to be.

I think that on some level, guys use this materialistic claim as an excuse to console themselves. Instead of considering that she chose a richer guy off him because he's a loser, he chooses to believe that it's purely because he doesn't have much money. It's easier to stomach. Everyone has an opinion on everyone else, but few look at themselves, critique themselves and decide to iron out the flaws. Instead, they make other people look equally as bad e.g. "The guy is rich, must be father's money. Must be damn 'lancee'".

Lower expectations on men? Why would anyone want to settle for less? Would you lower your expectation of women under any circumstances? No, we strive for better things.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Mar 30 2011, 02:23 PM

Losers are losers d...no excuse...

People usually sets a standard to themselves lar....like an acceptance level..so long as a guy / gal meets those levels, then accepted d....dun tell me after accept and a better gal / guy comes into a picture....then leave the current one for the latter better one??? It can't be rite? But truly, there are such people in the society.

To me there's nothing wrong with women having high expectations. If women have high expectations towards men, men too can have high expectations towards girls. So women can reject/dump men because they do not meet their expectations(wealth, status etc), similarly men can reject/dump women because if they do not meet their expectations (beauty, boobs, wrinkles). As simple as that.

So if a girl is still single and have high expectations, that's her problem and that's her issues. As long as she doesn't whine and blame the world about it, why bother what they expect from guys.


This post has been edited by Drian: Mar 30 2011, 03:05 PM

We're only talking about why GIRLS prefer to be single, not GUYS. Thus your opinion on why guys should also have high expectations is irrelevant to the subject.

It is relevant because I'm trying to show that they can expect anything from a guy but they will only get and maintain it if they themselves can meet the requirements of the guy. So why make a big fuss about the high expectations girls have on guys when at the end of the day it's also whether they themselves can meet the requirements of guys.

It might be a smokescreen.

I have friends about that age, and in good demand. According to them, if the guy asking them is not their type, then they will say "I prefer to be single" while if the guy asking them is their type they reply "waiting for the right guy".

That's exactly right. Each of us have our own definition of what's good, what's successful, what's rich and so on. Each girl has their own and guys need to measure up. We will always be attracted to something better, it's human nature. Pretty girls will always turn the head of boys. Girls will always look at their friend's richer husband's and be envious. Fact is that only commitment holds us back.

The point I was trying to make earlier was that money alone is not the determining factor. What I was trying to put across is that successful guys generally have stronger more appealing traits and people overlook this, attributing his success with women purely down to money.

While that may be true, I don't deny that. But it's still irrelevant.

Just like how in the previous thread, ppl are asking "why some men cheat?", while you butt in and say "but.. but... but... women cheat too!!!"

Now when ppl say girls stay single cuz they have demands, you pulak butt in and say "but... but... but... men have demands too!!!"

See how irrelevant is it? That's why you kena shoot ---- AGAIN!

You're only sour because it looks to you like people here are saying only girls can have demands. I don't know how did you come to see things that way. We didn't even say guys can't have demands =.=

Too tired to argue with you , if you want to think that it's irrelevant so be it.

My task is just to say, don't bother being emotional and making a big fuss on how high girls expectation is .

Irony!

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Added on March 30, 2011, 6:32 pmAiyoo... that means I kena reject before lor.



This post has been edited by n00b13: Mar 30 2011, 06:32 PM

Your case is somewhat different because she BLA BLA BLA alot about being hurt, which I'm not sure whether she would take the time to do if you were totally not her type. If she just casually said that she preferred being single, then.... well..... aiya.

i must admit u r well said....

bf can change...why cant? worry value drop?

EXACTLY! Men will ALWAYS be seen as providers, just like women will ALWAYS be seen as sex objects and sammich makers. I suggest they (women) wake up to that fact and step up their game instead of wasting time with their stupid demands.

It does, however, shows your biasedness when it comes to who can have demands. It's like this, lets say you have a sister, and in an exam, she scores 10 A's, and you score 12 A's, and then everyone congratulates her and saying how great she is and totally ignores you. Wouldn't that make you look like you have crappy results?

Drian makes a valid point, there's always two sides to a coin, but you CHOOSE to ignore this fact, and insist that "tough luck dude, I didn't say there's only 1 side, but the women's side of the coin is face up now, suck it up".

This post has been edited by spanker: Mar 31 2011, 11:49 AM

Well said. Just like women think it's right to insult men as deadbeats and losers, men too now have to rights to call women fat and ugly and stupid in the event women fail to meet the expectations of men, ESPECIALLY after marriage (because women go into marriage believing men will give them a better life, and usually do. BUT men go into marriage thinking their wife will stay slim and/or spread their legs whenever he wants it, but usually don't).

This post has been edited by spanker: Mar 31 2011, 10:40 AM

Aye. I'll be the first to admit (and I know most guys will say the same although they won't own up ) that I'm shallow in that sense. A woman needs to look after herself and not see marriage as a license to let herself go. I think it's important for both couples to keep up appearances. More so because you'll see each other every day. If your man has 'extra-curricular' activities, maybe it's because you don't look after yourself. Not that he doesn't love you, he just doesn't find you sexually appealing. It does sound shallow, but it is really that simple.

Here's a quote from my favorite gender equality guy, Warren Farrell. Imma gonna put it in my siggy.


"Men's weakness is their facade of strength; women's strength is their facade of weakness." - Warren Farrell