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coey2011
post Nov 14 2011, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Nov 11 2011, 01:01 PM)
You have gone though RIBA Part 3 and you are asking how to get started?
It's not like SPM or STPM where you are can get all sorts of private tuition and have study guides.
The process is basically the same - filling of log book, attending lectures, study notes.
The subjects covered should also be similar - code of ethics, professional practice, contracts, by-laws, etc.
Most parts of the subjects covered are based on the UK systems anyway. As a project architect, you would have exposure to contract administration and project implementation, which a big part of the exam syllabus is about.
There are resources at the PAM library you can make use of - videos of past lectures, past year exam questions, etc.
A series of lectures are held by PAM to prepare candidates for the exam.  I think PAM should have an online forum like this to provide the platform for discussion and consultation on PAM Part 3.
You probably get intimidated after hearing about the low passing rates. I think it's because a lot of the candidates can just draw but can't write!
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Thanks a lot for ur input.
Yes, u r right. I'm being intimidated by the idea - almost every single person I bump into would tell me a part 3 exam in Malaysia is the most difficult of all, not mentioning the quota system (if there is really one) which makes things even worse.
I will call up PAM and see if they could help me get started.

Are you an AR? Would you consider giving tutoring of some sort? smile.gif

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post Nov 16 2011, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 12 2011, 10:15 PM)
u need to sit for the LAM part 1, 2 and eventually 3 in order to practice. going through recognized school means u can skip parts 1 and 2. but everybody will have to sit for part 3 eventually.
on another note:

i heard that there is a proposal to LAM to setup a new part 3 equivalent qualification, but for academics. meaning in order for u to teach architecture in malaysia, u gonna have to be certified with either LAM part 3, or the academics cert (i wanna call it 2.5 lol). interesting eh?
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I realised that all of the non-private unis are accredited while the private ones are not. So if someone wants to work as an architect in Malaysia and wants to get his/her qualifications as fast and as seamless as possible, then he/she will have to go to non-private unis?
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I realised that all of the non-private unis are accredited while the private ones are not. So if someone wants to work as an architect in Malaysia and wants to get his/her qualifications as fast and as seamless as possible, then he/she will have to go to non-private unis?
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yes. at the moment, that's the best, fastest way.
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post Nov 21 2011, 03:57 PM

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Hi guys just a few questions. I've recently graduated from Taylor's bac. of architecture.

I've applied few australian universities for my master and one of the uni(RMIT) replied me stating that i am required to submit 1 more document which is a letter from taylor's to prove that the course is accredited.

The problem here is, the result of whether Taylor's is getting accreditation or not will only be out around december and i need to reply the australian uni(RMIT) A.S.A.P. I need some advice from experienced architects here, what can i do.

Another thing is i just called one of my lecturer and was told that i could bring my portfolio and show it to LAM then get some kind of "letter" to state that the degree i did in taylor's is equivalent to part 1. How does this work? Do i just bring my portfolio there and show them? that's it?

I'm really confused =="
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1st, LAM can be quite strict, depending on her mood swings. the top people in LAM, particularly dato' amer hamzah, is not very keen on entertaining unaccredited schools, until they become accredited. so it'll be hard for u to push them to release the accreditation results earlier.

2nd, knowing LAM, i have to say that they will not issue any letter saying that taylor's degree is equivalent to part 1. not until they're properly accredited. what u can do is to go to LAM and apply to sit for the part 1 exam. although u might not pass, the fact that u qualify to sit for the exam is proof enough that LAM considers ur degree as "enough to take part 1 exam".
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 22 2011, 01:20 AM)
1st, LAM can be quite strict, depending on her mood swings. the top people in LAM, particularly dato' amer hamzah, is not very keen on entertaining unaccredited schools, until they become accredited. so it'll be hard for u to push them to release the accreditation results earlier.

2nd, knowing LAM, i have to say that they will not issue any letter saying that taylor's degree is equivalent to part 1. not until they're properly accredited. what u can do is to go to LAM and apply to sit for the part 1 exam. although u might not pass, the fact that u qualify to sit for the exam is proof enough that LAM considers ur degree as "enough to take part 1 exam".
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Thanks for the advice, will certainly try that!

Anyway, just one more question and probably many people have been asking it for thousand of times. I actually got an offer from QUT, Deakin and Newcastle. In your experience if you were to rank these universities, how would you rank them?
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post Nov 23 2011, 12:11 PM

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hello,
i am high-school graduate and i'm doing some career planning, i have a few questions on career as an architect, i'd really appreciate opinions from architect who's been in practice
1. is it suitable for people who is not really extroverted or sociable?(i heard that archs need to socialize a lot in order to build connections with clients and reputation)
2. i found some negative accounts http://careerplanning.about.com/u/ua/occup...rchitect_ua.htm
my summary is: high qualification but underprivileged and underpaid, and stressful job without steady income
are they true(as of in Malaysia)?
3. how is the real-life working environment, i heard that it's stressful with long working hours(not much personal time), do you always get to express your ideas or you just follow what other people say?
4. how much do malaysian architects really earn(part3 licensed arch)(both in private sector, government sector and self-employed)(according to positions)
finally, i am considering this career because i think it's a field of open-mindedness and creativity, with appreciation of cultures, is what i think true?
Thank you very much. Merci beaucop.=]
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QUOTE(El-T @ Nov 23 2011, 02:46 AM)
Thanks for the advice, will certainly try that!

Anyway, just one more question and probably many people have been asking it for thousand of times. I actually got an offer from QUT, Deakin and Newcastle. In your experience if you were to rank these universities, how would you rank them?
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i'd put QUT and Newcastle in one group, and the deakin in a lower group than those two. but that's just me.

QUOTE(isthmuskra @ Nov 23 2011, 04:11 AM)
hello,
i am high-school graduate and i'm doing some career planning, i have a few questions on career as an architect, i'd really appreciate opinions from architect who's been in practice
1. is it suitable for people who is not really extroverted or sociable?(i heard that archs need to socialize a lot in order to build connections with clients and reputation)
2. i found some negative accounts http://careerplanning.about.com/u/ua/occup...rchitect_ua.htm
my summary is: high qualification but underprivileged and underpaid, and stressful job without steady income
are they true(as of in Malaysia)?
3. how is the real-life working environment, i heard that it's stressful with long working hours(not much personal time), do you always get to express your ideas or you just follow what other people say?
4. how much do malaysian architects really earn(part3 licensed arch)(both in private sector, government sector and self-employed)(according to positions)
finally, i am considering this career because i think it's a field of open-mindedness and creativity, with appreciation of cultures, is what i think true?
Thank you very much. Merci beaucop.=]
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1. when u say 'not really extroverted', u dont mean introverted, right? means in a way u're still extroverted, right? we do have people who began the course as ur usual geek in class, but eventually turned out one of the biggest social beast around. now bersepah2 around KL, hongkong, singapore etc...

2. it's true for all architecture jobs in the world.

3. stressful, yes. long working hours, no. if u're good, u can get a job done half the time needed for others to do it. but normally by being good, u take two jobs at a time to fill up the time. but there's always idiots who thinks they could do 3 or 4. it all depends on how u work. not how people tell u to work.

4. when talking about earnings, it can be quite difficult. the architect gets paid between 7% to 11% (roughly) of the entire project cost. meaning a RM1mil bungalow can easily bag u RM100k. but then u have to pay ur employees, office overhead and other stuffs.

5. more or less.
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post Nov 28 2011, 12:42 AM

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Hi, Mr. Aza, nice guide you made.

have a question here,
I'm taking A-level half way now.
I have no choice,
I probably have to choose an IPTS.

The main problem worrying me is the issue of accreditation.
Is the point of getting accreditation is to work in Msia?
So if I have a chance to work in other countries, there's no problem even my part 1 & 2 is not accredited by LAM?

and do you know the rate if passing the part 1 n 2 exam? ( getting the accreditation after finish course from IPTS )
just agak agak
I wanted to know how tought it is,
because I'm very worry abt whether I will take a big risk or not, just as you said.
It will be pointless if I spent my time and not manage to pass the exam at last.
The only way is go for UIAM, but I'm not really prefer it.
Do you have any suggestion or idea for me?

and I am actually not really understand about this,
Taylors provide the part 1 course
so after I finished the part 1,
what I shoud do is go for part 1 exam for accreditation,
and after passed it, I can enter any accredited U?
I can apply to enter those accreditated IPTAs like UM?

Thx. sry for my poor english

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QUOTE(MerryChristmas @ Nov 27 2011, 04:42 PM)
Hi, Mr. Aza, nice guide you made.

have a question here,
I'm taking A-level half way now.
I have no choice,
I probably have to choose an IPTS.

The main problem worrying me is the issue of accreditation.
Is the point of getting accreditation is to work in Msia?
So if I have a chance to work in other countries, there's no problem even my part 1 & 2 is not accredited by LAM?


yes. and yes.

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and do you know the rate if passing the part 1 n 2 exam? ( getting the accreditation after finish course from IPTS )
just agak agak


unfortunately, i dont. but it's definitely higher than the part 3 passing rate wink.gif.

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I wanted to know how tought it is,
because I'm very worry abt whether I will take a big risk or not, just as you said.
It will be pointless if I spent my time and not manage to pass the exam at last.
The only way is go for UIAM, but I'm not really prefer it.
Do you have any suggestion or idea for me?


if u insist on A-levels, that's ur only option. the rest lie on overseas universities.

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and I am actually not really understand about this,
Taylors provide the part 1 course
so after I finished the part 1,
what I shoud do is go for part 1 exam for accreditation,
and after passed it, I can enter any accredited U?
I can apply to enter those accreditated IPTAs like UM?

Thx. sry for my poor english
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if u plan to do ur part 1 in taylor's, what u need to do after that is to go for part 1 exam. and if u pass the exam, u can join accredited IPTAs, just like u said.
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post Nov 28 2011, 06:32 PM

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Hi Azarimy,

Can u pls advise which uni is gd for transfer to year 3 after taylor diploma,

1. university of south Australia
2. university of Newcastle Australia
3. university of Adeliade

t q
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QUOTE(indahjaya @ Nov 28 2011, 10:32 AM)
Hi Azarimy,

Can u pls advise which uni is gd for transfer to year 3 after taylor diploma,

1. university of south Australia
2. university of Newcastle Australia
3. university of Adeliade

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all ranked pretty low in australia with regards to architecture. so it doesnt really matter.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 29 2011, 11:21 AM)
all ranked pretty low in australia with regards to architecture. so it doesnt really matter.
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U of Adelaide is among the G8 unis. Ranking is higher than any of our IPTA's.
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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Nov 29 2011, 03:11 PM)
U of Adelaide is among the  G8 unis. Ranking is higher than any of our IPTA's.
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u mean the university, right? coz i'm referring only to the architecture schools.

by right, u can just generalize that majority of australian universities are ranked higher than ANY malaysian universities wink.gif.
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A lecturer told me that USA is the best place to study architecture.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 29 2011, 11:13 PM)
by right, u can just generalize that majority of australian universities are ranked higher than ANY malaysian universities wink.gif.
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I wouldn't say the majority but definitely those in the G8 group.
What ranking do you go by?


Added on November 29, 2011, 11:29 pm
QUOTE(El-T @ Nov 21 2011, 03:57 PM)
Hi guys just a few questions. I've recently graduated from Taylor's bac. of architecture.

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I don't think Taylor offers B.Arch, you mean B.Sc (Arch)?

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QUOTE(CLian @ Nov 29 2011, 03:17 PM)
A lecturer told me that USA is the best place to study architecture.
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i'm sure he hasnt heard of europe.
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Hi, nice guide but i have some questions tongue.gif

I was told that even if i take the 5 years B.Archi from LUCT and during the 5 years if i decided to transfer to Curtin and finish my degree there, the degree that i hold is still not recognized by LAM/PAM and i was advised to just pursue my B. Archi straight from some Uni in Australia that their degree is recognized by LAM/PAM. Is this true? Help please~~~ icon_question.gif icon_question.gif


One more question,
Even if the degree i hold is not recognized by LAM/PAM, if i decided to work outside of Msia, eg: Singapore & Australia. It wont be a problem right?

Thank biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Nov 29 2011, 03:27 PM)
I wouldn't say the majority but definitely those in the G8 group.
What ranking do you go by?


Added on November 29, 2011, 11:29 pm

I don't think Taylor offers B.Arch, you mean B.Sc (Arch)?
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i'm still using archsoc, for the lack of other rankings present.

QUOTE(hawkk @ Dec 3 2011, 07:44 AM)
Hi, nice guide but i have some questions  tongue.gif

I was told that even if i take the 5 years B.Archi from LUCT and during the 5 years if i decided to transfer to Curtin and finish my degree there, the degree that i hold is still not recognized by LAM/PAM and i was advised to just pursue my B. Archi straight from some Uni in Australia that their degree is recognized by LAM/PAM. Is this true? Help please~~~ icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
One more question,
Even if the degree i hold is not recognized by LAM/PAM, if i decided to work outside of Msia, eg: Singapore & Australia. It wont be a problem right?

Thank biggrin.gif
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i. yes. LAM do not recognize twinning programmes. what u should do at least is finish ur part 1 degree in LUCT, then continue for part 2 in curtin. but even so, LAM in its new proposal will also no longer recognize ANY overseas universities automatically. although it's not written now, the wheels are already set in motion and will be tabled at the cabinet soon.

this is due to the resistance of overseas schools to allow LAM to come in and review their schools. so all LAM could do is sit back and wait for the graduates to come in. due to the various number of schools with very, very different systems, it's better to host the examination locally in malaysia, only for those who are interested to work here.

it's easier, as u dont have to worry about the recognitions. but yeah, the exams gonna be a little harder.
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