Isn't Lehmann the proven winner everyone says we should be signing? No reason to pan him then.

In any case, he's not entirely rusty, played until May last year in the top tier and probably won't do too bad.

We'll only have 10 games left all season and either Szczesny or Mannone will return hopefully halfway through these games.

Can't do emergency loans for defenders, would have loved to re-sign Keown.

Plus, transfer window for non free agents is already closed. This might turn a great signing after all.

Lets see what Lehmann could bring to the table.

Lehman have been training/coach for us since he retire

I thought seaman is our coach. This is the best signing we can get after all

Lehman is training with us for his coaching license IINM

really? that's news to me. he retired May last year right, which means if it's true he's been with us for quite some time already

I see some good discussions over the past few days. :claps:

Although it's too early to post on AW's season review or something, it's always nice to have healthy discussions on any topics.

I'd like to share my thoughts on this as well.


non-tactical/strategy reasons
Although many would argue that it's just an excuse, but AW/Arsenal really suffers badly from
1. Bad and "disturbing" tackles / injuries
2. Bad refereeing, especially on critical games
3. Bad luck

Well, these are subjective, so no point elaborating or discussing them further. Many may say it's part of the game, but for me, these hit us harder.



tactical/strategy reasons

1. Youth Policy
Actually AW knows that Youth policy is hard, he has been stubborn at first (and let many of the Invincible team left) but later, he realized this. That's why he has (already) started injecting some experienced players. Don't tell me players like Arshavin and Rosicky are young when they were brought in. New players like Koscielny (26), Squillaci (30) and Chamakh (27) are all but "young" to me. You see, AW knew this and he has been trying to alter between youth policy and a competitive squad. All I can say is AW is still trying, trying hard and has yet found the right balance.

2. Experienced/Senior Players
I must admit (as pointed above) that AW has made a big mistake for letting go the Invincible team, many of them that I do not even understand why, such as Lauren (who is quiet and loyal), Campbell (who went to "Oversea" Portsmouth), Toure (fighting with Gallas? + $$$?), Gilberto (losing place to Flamini + captaincy to Gallas), Vieira ($$$? Performance drop?), Ljungberg (understandably his poor form after injury), Pires (free transfer???), etc.
It's not about phasing out non-productive players that simple, it's more about having some "Old Guards" in the team, not necessarily as captains, to lead and look after the team. Also, the 30+ 1 year contract should be reviewed.

3. Tactics
Both our Invincible's split-second attack and the current multi-passing game are good to watch. My only complaint is that AW should have a Plan B, and polish it as much as he does for the Plan A. There have been many occasions where the Plan A did not work and the team would get confused what to do next. Besides that, the same goes to playing without certain key players. But to be fair, AW has adopted more direct passing to the center recently.

4. Spending
AW does spend! Just that he doesn't spend 30M for a player, we should not label him for not spending enough We have our model on how to do the business, same goes to MU, Liverpool, ManCity etc... I am happy with AW/Arsenal way.

5. Holding midfielder
True enough, this is what we are lacking. Our best midfielder partnership (when we play 4-4-2) was Vieira+Gilberto. Gilberto was the invisible wall. Vieira, despite his role was box-to-box midfielder, I found out that he more defensive-minded as compared to offensive. Then, came Flamini as our tireless and combative defensive midfielder. Now, we have Song but current trend of football causes injury more often and we need a reliable backup. Wilshere is good but he's more a Vieira than a Gilberto to me.


... more points to share but my time is limited, to be continued.


Verdict:
We are on the right track, as long as AW/Arsenal learns what happens/happened. After all, we are still the closest challengers to League title




On Lehmann signing, it's good. With a contract, it's better than the intermittent "training sessions" by ex-players

This post has been edited by kimhoong: Mar 15 2011, 02:48 PM

mental is back!

Jens Lehmann ..probably the one n only descent keeper signed by Arsene.
One out of the 10 flops he ever signed.

Forced him out then by making him No.2 due to a point to prove for his youngster philosophy.

Now need him back

Next must be Toure (after his ban) and Gilberto,ljunberg,Pires etc..

This post has been edited by Yukieliow: Mar 15 2011, 01:10 PM

I would prefer to have good discussion with someone like corez or boxsystem as they provide very informative input from a different point of view with solid facts.
But with you, looking at the replies that you respond to, i only could find zero maturity. I would appreciate if you don't reply to my post.

Can we have a discussion on players who's not good enough to be in the team, to win a premiership. I know this would actually create an easy route for some frustrated fans to make a certain player an escape goat, i'm hoping for a positive discussion, not just from Arsenal fan, others are welcome based on their analysis.

P.S : Please bear in mind that, the discussion is purely on whether the player was good enough to win the premiership this season, please don't discuss on his age/maturity/development thus leading out of topic. Please do compare the below players to other premiership team players as this is where i would want this discussion lead to. Thanks.

Lets start with strikers/forwards :

1) RVP10
2) C29
3) NB52
4) A23
5) TW14
6) V11 (Loan to WBA)

1)RVP10 has always been our best striker in the squad. But he has a problem, he just can't stay fit for the whole season due to injury prone. Despite that, he still contribute to the team for a whole season in term of goals. For me, he's good enough based on the stats that he provides every season.

2)A bargain striker who replaced RVP10 when he was injured. He went missing after that. Why did we get him for if we don't include him in the squad ? As a replacement only ? His stats is average on the number of games he played compared to contribution. Clinical striker ? Sometimes i doubt that, as he don't take the opportunity. Missing goal instinct ?

3)This lad has been disappointing the whole season. Despite his hattrick against New Orient, i failed to capture his contribution to the team this season. All talks but no action ? Clinical finisher - No. He's a CF, but caught out of position most of the time. Does Arsenal system which doesn't suite his style of play ? Well, for this season, i think he was nowhere near good to be inserted in a premiership winning team.

4) Hardworking, but making quite alot of mistakes in term of passing. Often getting caught. He's been pretty average this season, perhaps too high off expectation ? May be the lack of goal explains his average contribution ?

5) Arsenal certainly been missing him. He's having one of the good season till injury. I sense that we lack off fast pace players to run through the defender, opening space. I think he certainly was good enough for this season. The injury was unforeseen. We have no adequate substitute.

6) Vela, to be honest i was expecting him to get much needed game time this season. I believe from the games he played for Arsenal, he was largely missing in the game. Not physical enough ? I must say that i am dissapointed with him, may be next season we could see more of him.

1) Everyone in the team is figuring hard how to keep him fit for the whole season. If they achieved this, I believe we will see a different side of RVP.
2) He lost his place right after RVP recovers. Maybe burnt out due to many games at the beginning season or lost his form due to rotation?
3) I did not see any improvement since last season. Maybe he have too much of self confidence thinking he is good enough for the team ?
4) When he arrived at Emirates, he was playing in Cesc's role. I do think that, the wing position he was deployed did not get the best out of him. I still think he is more like a central playing after watching the EURO08.
5) We missed him dearly. Very good example, against ManUtd previously. Nasri,Arshavin and Jack were not fast enough to penetrate the opposition's defence line. I believe one day he is not back. The team will need to work extra hard to win games.
6) After watching him playing for WBA, I believe he should be given more chance. Maybe in Walcott's role?

This is a informative article

and on lehman's signing..

he certainly spreadheaded arsenal to bpl trophy in 2004,who would forget his stopage time penalty stop against villareal for a spot in the UCL final.and he is a beast of a keeper as well.certainly need him to beef up squalaci and kosclieny. his experience and attitude is pivotal yet again to clinch 2011 bpl at this important period of the season.who knaws he is our lucky charm.



2.31 lehman and gary lewin together..gary was an exceptional physio for arsenal during those days..though his cousin colin took over.certainly he is missed.There is only one Gary Lewin

I still think Arsene not keeping the Invincibles was his biggest mistake. Ljunberg was poor due to his injury, Lauren was getting old and Eboue rises to replace him, Toure was good but the price from ManCity was good money, maybe Vieira's wage was too high and Arsene wanted to cut cost?. In my opinion, Pires,Campbell and Vieira should be kept. These fellas are still very influential right before they left

1) RVP10 - when he's on the pitch,any team in the world would want a striker like him.a striker who can score from any angle,in any way.but when he's gone,he'll be gone almost forever.

2) MC29 - at the start of the season,he looks like a fantastic signing for us.but his form has been dropping.coincidentally it happens when RVP was back with us.at the moment,i don't mind him playing tag team with RVP.when one of them is out,the other will step up.

3)NB52 - his first touch is poor.but his finishing sometimes reminds me of henry.lately always seen him drifting wide to get the ball.this is crucial.if he plays as second striker,should be ok but if he's playing in targetman role,the penalty box will be empty.if he can do drift wide-cut inside-score everytime he did it,no problem but sometimes he over did or missed it.worse thing is if the GK parried it but no one will take the rebound.i'll say keep on playing him in the flanks as long as we have our target man.

4)AA23 - hardworking indeed.when we need someone to chase the ball upfront,he'll always be there.but sometimes he just can't click together with the other players especially bendtner.his judgement also baffles me sometime.reminds me of the young walcott (or probably walcott himself).he is very easy to fall.very weird to think as his center of gravity is the lowest compare to others.

5) TW14 - we certainly missed him especially during barca game when we need him to outrun the barca defenders.he's definitely one of the most improved player this season.

6) CV11 - im hoping the loan could do him good.he'll get the playing times he needed.i can't see him replacing andy or nasri on the left for now but im hoping next season,when we need him,he'll step up and give all he got.

The thing is Wenger has this policy where if you are over 30 you get a 1 year contract.
It was weird how easily Pires was let go despite being our 2nd top scorer in his last season. And that's considering he was coming off the bench for most of the season.

Actually among the all Invincibles other than Henry, Pires should have be kept. He was very influential in his last season. His pace decreases together his age but when Arsene played him in the central midfield along with Cesc. He actually played very well. Example: Came out of bench against WBA during the Dennis Bergkamp day. Oh yeah, he is still playing good in Aston Villa.

After so many years only you guys realize invincible should be kept? lol
Too late now

Look at how paul scholes and Giggs still influential and gave some key contribution for United Champions league win and reach final again twice in last 3 years.No doubt they are not the young version but these core player shouldn't be sell 1st of all.They are the backbone of the squad and Arsene juz dont realize it.

This is why Man utd can win titles arsenal cant.

This post has been edited by Yukieliow: Mar 15 2011, 02:36 PM

player leaves, cut-cost, emirates stadium debt maybe?

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This post has been edited by leymar7: Mar 15 2011, 02:38 PM

[quote=leymar7,Mar 15 2011, 03:37 PM]
player leaves, cut-cost, emirates stadium debt maybe?

Then continue to pay debt..while the rest continue to win titles

1)He's good, he's goal scoring ability talks about everything, eventhough he's proven injury prone.

2)This fella I think is a very very good signing. Actually if AW plays 4-4-2 with Chamakh and RvP, I believe he can score more. Right now maybe off form, because of RvP's return from injury make him a substitute only.

3)NB52, he's often played out of position; thus making he look bad, a clinical finisher that should be use in front.

4)He is better played behind the striker actually. Yes he lose the ball too much, but his unpredictability (shooting, passing) and his work rate makes up his lack of goals.

5)He's one heck of a player, who given space will tear the opposition apart, in other word, speed demon. Goal scoring ability wise is improving greatly, certainly what you guys lacking of, when playing 4-3-3

6)He should play more IMO, he got the pace and the trick, but maybe lack the physical attribute, or maybe the right mind set when playing at BPL. When he knows the game well, he should be a great forward.