I think i post this picture for quite some time ago. This kit looks awesome. I doubt if its real though.

Btw, Liez, due to my pilling work load, i can't seem to find a time to collect the data for player stats and compile it into table.
I actually got some of the data from soccernet, arsenal.com.
I will PM you if i manage to get it done.

Btw, on the Barca's game, Ref's decision is a hasty one. I'm not going to blame him, in that situation, it will be 50-50 for any ref to give a card for that act. RVP was not lucky. Ref killed the game ? I doubt so, Barcelona fully deserved to go through. They were one hell of a team, definitely better than Arsenal by a mile. Nevertheless, all the best of retaining the CL title, as i've yet to see a team as good as Barcelona's current form.

United, ain't putting much of hope if we stick with the current formation letting our number 7 play. I believe Chamakh should start ahead of NB52. We don't have any consistent crossers in the squad, thus he's a little useless i must say. Chamakh on the other hand is more agile and should provide more. I really do believe that C29 is way better to fit our style of play than NB52.

Would love to have v.persie 10 printing with this jersey. I'm looking for the classic one currently, asking my a fren to dig out in UK.



NB52 provides physical presence, but due to Arsenal style of play, he's often drifting to the right which makes him no longer the target man. Obvious was in the Birmingham game where he was often caught out of position. Shortly, there weren't anyone in the box. In order to keep the player in the club rather than making him unsettle, he needs to play him.

I don't see the point putting a 6ft tall slowpoke on the right wing. He'l be totally useless, it will be a cinch for Evra.
Vidic and Smalling, two of United best CBs. I just can't see how Arsenal going to penetrate United defense.
Seriously, if Bentdner plays, we don't stand a chance, this guy is more words and action. His stats ain't that great this season.

This post has been edited by Nemesis13: Mar 12 2011, 07:41 PM

Actually, they do when Arsenal in a driving seat to win a match or a cup. But when Arsenal fails, thats where the media hits them pretty hard. Something more of creating mixed emotion. This is what people want to hear, and the media are feeding them directly.
For example, media never really put City and Spurs in the limelight when they have quite a strong squad to compete for the title. They ain't that interesting, well nobody wants to know about these two clubs. Its more of manipulating words for which story could be sold best.

I do agree that during the era of Pires, Bergkamp, Henry and Viera was one of the best season that we ever had. But thats in the past, i sense that some of the fans hard to let go and move on. 6 years trophy less, look at Pool, they yet to win the BPL till today and they still sticking with their team like a glue even though criticize mainly by United fans.
I don't think Arsene need to change his philosophy, because thats what Arsenal should be look upon as. I don't see the need of following Chelsea, City or even Spurs footsteps of spending big. But i know that we could have used a couple more players in the squad, but definitely is a NO on changing policy of the club.

Something seriously wrong ? Funny statement i tell you, in a match the better team wins. Clearly, in the last 3 games we lost, the other team was better. I don't see a problem with that. When united fall to pool, does that means that there's something seriously wrong ? I don't think so, simply Pool outclassed united in that match.

"The last 6 years", i'm getting bored with this statement. TBH, i don't think Wenger is a major reason which cause this. Yeah, when the club don't do well, its easy to point out that the manager not good enough. I believe the players failed to take the oppurtunity. I admit that we lack of a real leader, a general in the squad. Plus few fringe players (Denilson,NB52) who never live up to expectation. I guess in this 6 years, he just wanted to bring the best out of a player, but looks like some of the players just failed. Its a risk manager takes on a player.

What do you reckon aside from becoming another Chelsea ? The problem with Arsenal is, we just cant compete financially in the market when clubs like Chelsea, City emerges, thus leading to hike in player prices. Few clubs take advantage of this situation hiking up a value of a player. We are so tight financially despite the board states that we could spent.
Building a squad takes time, may be we just gotta be a lil more patience.

If Arsenal win the premier league this season, will you change your perspective ?

Waiting for answer

I would prefer to have good discussion with someone like corez or boxsystem as they provide very informative input from a different point of view with solid facts.
But with you, looking at the replies that you respond to, i only could find zero maturity. I would appreciate if you don't reply to my post.

Can we have a discussion on players who's not good enough to be in the team, to win a premiership. I know this would actually create an easy route for some frustrated fans to make a certain player an escape goat, i'm hoping for a positive discussion, not just from Arsenal fan, others are welcome based on their analysis.

P.S : Please bear in mind that, the discussion is purely on whether the player was good enough to win the premiership this season, please don't discuss on his age/maturity/development thus leading out of topic. Please do compare the below players to other premiership team players as this is where i would want this discussion lead to. Thanks.

Lets start with strikers/forwards :

1) RVP10
2) C29
3) NB52
4) A23
5) TW14
6) V11 (Loan to WBA)

1)RVP10 has always been our best striker in the squad. But he has a problem, he just can't stay fit for the whole season due to injury prone. Despite that, he still contribute to the team for a whole season in term of goals. For me, he's good enough based on the stats that he provides every season.

2)A bargain striker who replaced RVP10 when he was injured. He went missing after that. Why did we get him for if we don't include him in the squad ? As a replacement only ? His stats is average on the number of games he played compared to contribution. Clinical striker ? Sometimes i doubt that, as he don't take the opportunity. Missing goal instinct ?

3)This lad has been disappointing the whole season. Despite his hattrick against New Orient, i failed to capture his contribution to the team this season. All talks but no action ? Clinical finisher - No. He's a CF, but caught out of position most of the time. Does Arsenal system which doesn't suite his style of play ? Well, for this season, i think he was nowhere near good to be inserted in a premiership winning team.

4) Hardworking, but making quite alot of mistakes in term of passing. Often getting caught. He's been pretty average this season, perhaps too high off expectation ? May be the lack of goal explains his average contribution ?

5) Arsenal certainly been missing him. He's having one of the good season till injury. I sense that we lack off fast pace players to run through the defender, opening space. I think he certainly was good enough for this season. The injury was unforeseen. We have no adequate substitute.

6) Vela, to be honest i was expecting him to get much needed game time this season. I believe from the games he played for Arsenal, he was largely missing in the game. Not physical enough ? I must say that i am dissapointed with him, may be next season we could see more of him.

There's some very good opinion. Being a fan myself, i'll have to disagree on Bentdner. I've been having a close look on his each game for Arsenal this season. Improvement ? I don't think so.
Well, based on this season, he's been missing more chances than scoring them. Still, i don't see him fitting the 433 system as discussed by some of the forumers here. If you may StarGhazzer, may i know which skill or ability of Bentdner actually improved ?

United.

Lehmahn is there as a cover for Almunia. I still think Almunia is a good GK. Well, the performance against United justifies his position in first 11.
I don't understand whats the big fuss over Lehmahn.

NB52 was way below par this season. Well, i remember someone coming up with the stats for the last few seasons. Break down the stats on number of goals of each match, you'll notice that, the figure is high as he scores 2-3 goals in a single match. But missing clear chances in most matches. I'll prefer C29 ahead of NB52 this season in the adapted system we play.

Comparing him to Hernandez is wrong as he's not a mobile striker, but he's a CF. If you are to compare, Drogba or Berbatov is the right ones. This season (note that i highlighted the word this season), he was no where as good as these two. If he's to improve his instinct and also positioning skill, either Wenger needs to change his approach to the game, he needs to learn. NB52 was never good playing on the right wing, that is one of the worst position for him being a CF.

Prepare to get nuked by frustrated fans

No, it was not Almunia.
The whole squad did not have the eager to actually win the game.
First 45mins was disappointing. Well, i have to say this, Denilson is not good enough to wear the Arsenal shirt.

As been pointed out by one of the fan (Toshio), we don't have a captain. Sorry to say, Fabregas, RVP is never good enough wearing the armband.
Players didn't give their heart out. Look at United, even with a man down, they push and got the goal. Arsenal was just fooling around the last 6 years.
If you're actually talking about building players, the last 6 years should have contain the same squad, but every year changes.

Each international week, it is as though that you know RVP will get injured. What a injury prone player ! Perhaps we would need a striker who could stay fit whole season.

I'll pay good money if you can put them to peace.

This post has been edited by Nemesis13: Apr 1 2011, 11:33 AM