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 Arsenal Street Talk, 10 APR 2011 | 2025 | BLP v. ARS

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kamkamparadise
post Mar 15 2011, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(SGSuser @ Mar 14 2011, 11:35 PM)
wow...coming out of retirement eh? can provide reliable and experienced cover, good deal for u guys
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well, he's been out of the game for many months. starting on the bench would be good for him.

QUOTE(kazek @ Mar 14 2011, 11:36 PM)
Completely agree. I wasn't too pleased when they refused to give Gallas a 2 year contract.

Arsenal always seem to have some calamity defenders in the ranks. i.e. Cygan, Luzhny, Silvestre, Senderos, Djourou (despite doing reasonable well this season), Squillaci, e.t.c
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Squillaci also calamity? i know defenders will have their day off once in a while.

QUOTE(minority @ Mar 15 2011, 09:43 AM)
Isn't Lehmann the proven winner everyone says we should be signing? No reason to pan him then.

In any case, he's not entirely rusty, played until May last year in the top tier and probably won't do too bad.

We'll only have 10 games left all season and either Szczesny or Mannone will return hopefully halfway through these games.

Can't do emergency loans for defenders, would have loved to re-sign Keown.
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Keown still playing football? i thought he retired already.

QUOTE(Nemesis13 @ Mar 15 2011, 01:30 PM)
I would prefer to have good discussion with someone like corez or boxsystem as they provide very informative input from a different point of view with solid facts.
But with you, looking at the replies that you respond to, i only could find zero maturity. I would appreciate if you don't reply to my post.

Can we have a discussion on players who's not good enough to be in the team, to win a premiership. I know this would actually create an easy route for some frustrated fans to make a certain player an escape goat, i'm hoping for a positive discussion, not just from Arsenal fan, others are welcome based on their analysis.

P.S : Please bear in mind that, the discussion is purely on whether the player was good enough to win the premiership this season, please don't discuss on his age/maturity/development thus leading out of topic. Please do compare the below players to other premiership team players as this is where i would want this discussion lead to. Thanks.

Lets start with strikers/forwards :

1) RVP10
2) C29
3) NB52
4) A23
5) TW14
6) V11 (Loan to WBA)

1)RVP10 has always been our best striker in the squad. But he has a problem, he just can't stay fit for the whole season due to injury prone. Despite that, he still contribute to the team for a whole season in term of goals. For me, he's good enough based on the stats that he provides every season.

2)A bargain striker who replaced RVP10 when he was injured. He went missing after that. Why did we get him for if we don't include him in the squad ? As a replacement only ? His stats is average on the number of games he played compared to contribution. Clinical striker ? Sometimes i doubt that, as he don't take the opportunity. Missing goal instinct ?

3)This lad has been disappointing the whole season. Despite his hattrick against New Orient, i failed to capture his contribution to the team this season. All talks but no action ? Clinical finisher - No. He's a CF, but caught out of position most of the time. Does Arsenal system which doesn't suite his style of play ? Well, for this season, i think he was nowhere near good to be inserted in a premiership winning team.

4) Hardworking, but making quite alot of mistakes in term of passing. Often getting caught. He's been pretty average this season, perhaps too high off expectation ? May be the lack of goal explains his average contribution ?

5) Arsenal certainly been missing him. He's having one of the good season till injury. I sense that we lack off fast pace players to run through the defender, opening space. I think he certainly was good enough for this season. The injury was unforeseen. We have no adequate substitute.

6) Vela, to be honest i was expecting him to get much needed game time this season. I believe from the games he played for Arsenal, he was largely missing in the game. Not physical enough ? I must say that i am dissapointed with him, may be next season we could see more of him.
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Personally, among all, i don't think Arsene should keep Bendtner. true, he have physical advantage but he keep on missing scoring goals even when provided with good chance. Sometimes he show that he can be a good player.

on Arshavin, last season, he often drifted center which enable him to score goals. of course, it's his first season which hard for defenders to read his movement. this season however, playing 4-3-3, surely he will be the winger or width player since center forward and attacking midfield role occupied by RVP, Chamakh, and Fabregas, Nasri respectively. currently he's not complaining about playing as winger like joe Cole did. hopefully he would step up his game and drive Arsenal forward.
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post Mar 15 2011, 03:32 PM

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for those forward players.. how u suggest Arsene to improve?.. we cant buy and replace Chamakh or Bendtner.. or even Walcott and Vela..

front line most probably will remain the same..

just that when we tot the squad is enough to compete for all four... injury happen and hit badly..
Injured player plus backup players off form.. that why we hit hard.. dont think because the lost of invincible hit us..

When we sold Viera & Gilberto, we got Cesc and Flamini...
Pires we got Rosicky.. tat time Rosicky was a big hit.. not the Rosicky we have now la...
Ljungberg in exchange with Hleb..

Honestly if those players stay fit.. there are chances..
Again, when start of next season.. all players will definately fit and when transfer window closed.. players injured..

I think if Man Utd did win the title, not because Rooney score more goals or Nani brilliant.. is Vidic and Ferdinand plus VDS..

AW should seriously look at his defence.. not Pires, Ljungberg or Henry..
Even Vermaelen is fit.. do u really think he can keep everything out?..

if u put those situation in MU, if Vidic and Ferdinand both not available.. will u sign big player like David Luiz to replace or sign a short term replacement?.. so i dont think it was AW fault..

Cant see why there is a reason for people try to chop AW..

Anyway.. it just my opinion.. maybe some people think it better we field Pires than Nasri or Viera than Song..
What those people know only what is how to condemn AW.. other than that?.. nothing...




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post Mar 15 2011, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(rosicky_return @ Mar 15 2011, 03:32 PM)
for those forward players.. how u suggest Arsene to improve?.. we cant buy and replace Chamakh or Bendtner.. or even Walcott and Vela..

front line most probably will remain the same..

just that when we tot the squad is enough to compete for all four... injury happen and hit badly..
Injured player plus backup players off form.. that why we hit hard.. dont think because the lost of invincible hit us..

When we sold Viera & Gilberto, we got Cesc and Flamini...
Pires we got Rosicky.. tat time Rosicky was a big hit.. not the Rosicky we have now la...
Ljungberg in exchange with Hleb..

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But we never really replaced Henry. The man used to deliver 30+ goals a season. The only player to ever come close was Adebayor with 30 in the 2008/2009 Season IIRC but he lost his way getting too cocky.
Van Persie is capable but he can never stay fit long enough as we have witnessed in all the seasons he has been at Arsenal. I think Arsenal needs a star striker
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post Mar 15 2011, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(kazek @ Mar 15 2011, 03:44 PM)
But we never really replaced Henry. The man used to deliver 30+ goals a season. The only player to ever come close was Adebayor with 30 in the 2008/2009 Season IIRC but he lost his way getting too cocky.
Van Persie is capable but he can never stay fit long enough as we have witnessed in all the seasons he has been at Arsenal. I think Arsenal needs a star striker
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But again.. Henry departure was not AW call..

but RVP.. after he come back from injury, he stay fit for most of the match.. just maybe one or two matches he fail to turn up..
Difficult also, bench him if we buy star striker or keep him but we have to settle for missing him sometime..


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post Mar 15 2011, 04:57 PM

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Louis van Gaal should replace AW soon than later.
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post Mar 15 2011, 04:59 PM

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since we are discussing about Arsenal striker, here's a thought.

should we buy a new top striker to be our main striker ahead of Robin, and base our attacking game around this new top striker?
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post Mar 15 2011, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(Casanova88 @ Mar 15 2011, 05:57 PM)
Louis van Gaal should replace AW soon than later.
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I think alot of manager can be easily better than wenger.

We should look at what team should arsene goes to.

What you think? he often claim Madrid wants him but i dont think so thats the case..

I think Arsene suits to bundesliga more

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post Mar 15 2011, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(Casanova88 @ Mar 15 2011, 04:57 PM)
Louis van Gaal should replace AW soon than later.
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i disagree with this. Even though Louis van Gaal might have won more trophies that AW, he failed to bring the dressing room together during his time at Barcelona and Bayern Munich. often have clash with players.
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post Mar 15 2011, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(Casanova88 @ Mar 15 2011, 04:57 PM)
Louis van Gaal should replace AW soon than later.
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I don't think Van Gaal is any better compared to AW. He might have a problem how to manager the young players in arsenal tongue.gif
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post Mar 15 2011, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(kamkamparadise @ Mar 15 2011, 05:03 PM)
i disagree with this. Even though Louis van Gaal might have won more trophies that AW, he failed to bring the dressing room together during his time at Barcelona and Bayern Munich. often have clash with players.
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It doesn't matter. Wht the team & fans need right now is a TROPHY!!!
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post Mar 15 2011, 05:07 PM

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Is the Barca - Ars clash a curse?\

Both team have injured players now and both teams unable to get better results of the match after.
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post Mar 15 2011, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(kimhoong @ Mar 13 2011, 03:39 PM)
I do not represent all Arsenal fans, but I would say you have very valid points there. It's the arts of defences and its dark arts. We, for many occasions, were too naive and too passive, in another word, we were to obedient, hoping that we would be always protected by the rules. However, I'd like to stress that being aggressive alone is one thing, tactical fouls and dark arts are another.
Besides the defense part, AW should review our attacking football. To be fair, I can see some improvement in our attacks. We move the ball into the center more often. However, when we are against stronger opponents, we lose our confidence and revert back to the square passes.
Our players are good enough, especially if you consider the prices we pay for their services. Well, it back to strategy-priority or players' potential priority argument.
Back our ManCity guest, please do continue posting your valid post. I believe our fellow arsenal fans here sensible and rational ones. We only react negatively towards immature and trolling comments.
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Yes they are its just that a number of them are 'abused' or intimidated by arrogant MU posters who come in as poseurs. That needs to be redressed or corrected.
Those mustards even gloat that

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' I have a pimple on my penis'


in their thread after trolling in other threads.


Sheer arrogance that needs to be checked. Opponent wins (Chelsea, Liverpool, Woves etc) were because they strike lottery. Forgetting that Fergie claims lottery wins for referee non-sending off of Vidic, Neville as 'Lucky'. doh.gif


Viz why post animated gif of that sneaky gutless Scholes (MU marketing and branding him as brilliant & a football genius) for Scholes 3 passes very readily in this thread? My question was Schole's simple passes converted to goals (even tho' gunners non-existent defence) was spread out as a result of the need to score in the last 18 mins?

You want to see brilliant passes that were converted ? See Fab raking pass to Adebayor (Arsenal vs Valencia) or Diarra raking pass to Ade (Real Madrid) recently.

IMO if Scholes is that good (sliced bread eh) how come he was behind Lampard & Gerrard in that pecking order? Me & my Morrocan friends (some of them gunner fans) were discussing about gunners & MU team during the past summer. They commented on Scholes about what Zidane sarcastically said (if you are not french speaking you won't understand about the nuances used) about Scholes which were MISCONSTRUED by MU or SSN toadies. What Zidane said about Scholes is unprintable.


OK my post is encouraged by not only gunner fans but my view is that there is a lot of 'musturds' being strewn in other threads supposedly by MUStards who supposedly knows a lot of history.

They don't even know their history.

Check my post in http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1722158/+120

especially about my 'George Best' era. George Best! doh.gif

They don't know about history other than googling or regurgitating them without comprehending or correlating them. You be the judge.
As I said before I really don't want to spoonfed them!
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post Mar 15 2011, 05:09 PM

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Why do you have to come to Arsenal's thread and spam about MU stuffs? Go do it at MU thread la
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post Mar 15 2011, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(toshio14 @ Mar 15 2011, 04:59 PM)
since we are discussing about Arsenal striker, here's a thought.

should we buy a new top striker to be our main striker ahead of Robin, and base our attacking game around this new top striker?
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NO. You have a great striker in Persie and a decent one in Chamakh. Pair them both to 4-4-2 and I'll think you'll reap more rewards. What you need is a midfield general and some steel in you centerbacks pairing. But of course, your team might have to change the way they play which I think it is impossible under Wenger.
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QUOTE(nshady @ Mar 15 2011, 05:06 PM)
I don't think Van Gaal is any better compared to AW. He might have a problem how to manager the young players in arsenal tongue.gif
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What makes u say he is not better than AW?
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haiyer... don't feed the trolls la...

anyway, disappointed that we're out of 3 comp already... fight for the remaining 1. i think this is better for us. we've been hit by injuries after injuries... i don't think the players can tahan also. WBA game is massive. then 2 weeks before next game... should be enough time for recovery for most players.

agree that we need cover for Song.


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QUOTE(Casanova88 @ Mar 15 2011, 05:10 PM)
What makes u say he is not better than AW?
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And what makes you think he is better than AW? Look at bayern munich now, you think they are in good position? Regarding his past, AW is as good as him la.
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QUOTE(Yukieliow @ Mar 15 2011, 05:02 PM)
I think alot of manager can be easily better than wenger.

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lolz.. forget beandy was our manager and Casanova was asst... unfortunately beandy was sacked by us... lolz wat a joke... then Casa was the caretaker.. until beandy created another account...

BTW, is that is the case.. what is the purpose of MOD sacked our manager?..
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QUOTE(rosicky_return @ Mar 15 2011, 05:13 PM)
lolz.. forget beandy was our manager and Casanova was asst... unfortunately beandy was sacked by us... lolz wat a joke... then Casa was the caretaker.. until beandy created another account...

BTW, is that is the case.. what is the purpose of MOD sacked our manager?..
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this is the winning post for today.
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post Mar 15 2011, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Mar 15 2011, 05:09 PM)
NO. You have a great striker in Persie and a decent one in Chamakh. Pair them both to 4-4-2 and I'll think you'll reap more rewards. What you need is a midfield general and some steel in  you centerbacks pairing. But of course, your team might have to change the way they play which I think it is impossible under Wenger.
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yep.. agreed with u on this. actually NB52 not that bad. he's improving bits by bits coz chances came very limited for him. i think he will be a great CF for us. just wait and see....

the thing about it is... wait and see... a lot of impatience fans out there.

midfield general/deputy we got.... just need covers for them... those liutenants and majors... biggrin.gif currently, denilson is not good enough while Diaby can be good, his style of play is more suitable in 4-4-2 instead 4-3-3



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