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 Arsenal Street Talk, 10 APR 2011 | 2025 | BLP v. ARS

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post Mar 15 2011, 05:16 PM

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post Mar 15 2011, 05:18 PM

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footballer just another employee to me

when u're working hard for a company, you did well, but still ur company under perform due to a lot of issues. and by this time, another company approach u with a good challenge/opportunity. then u submit resignation letter, during the interview, boss realize he cannot fulfill ur request. no choice but have to allow u to leave.

this happen to Pires (he wants 2y contract, this against company policy/system).
Thierry wants CL, Arsene did try to persuade him to stay but Thierry wants a beter guarantee.
Ashley wants a better pay, Arsenal cannot match the offer given by Chelsea. (I admit his etiquette is not appropriated, but try to ask urself, u as a employee u still get a new job offer first only demand for better pay)
Campbell he wants to challenge @ abroad (now only i realize pompey is aboard team)
Freddie is because injury prone
Viera is Arsene allow him to leave
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post Mar 15 2011, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(sakaito @ Mar 15 2011, 05:16 PM)
yep.. agreed with u on this. actually NB52 not that bad. he's improving bits by bits coz chances came very limited for him. i think he will be a great CF for us. just wait and see....

the thing about it is... wait and see... a lot of impatience fans out there.

midfield general/deputy we got.... just need covers for them... those liutenants and majors... biggrin.gif currently, denilson is not good enough while Diaby can be good, his style of play is more suitable in 4-4-2 instead 4-3-3
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I still think Chamakh and v.Persie can play together.. like how Bergkamp and Henry...


Added on March 15, 2011, 5:20 pm
QUOTE(jam_lennon @ Mar 15 2011, 05:18 PM)
footballer just another employee to me

when u're working hard for a company, you did well, but still ur company under perform due to a lot of issues. and by this time, another company approach u with a good challenge/opportunity. then u submit resignation letter, during the interview, boss realize he cannot fulfill ur request. no choice but have to allow u to leave.

this happen to Pires (he wants 2y contract, this against company policy/system).
Thierry wants CL, Arsene did try to persuade him to stay but Thierry wants a beter guarantee.
Ashley wants a better pay, Arsenal cannot match the offer given by Chelsea. (I admit his etiquette is not appropriated, but try to ask urself, u as a employee u still get a new job offer first only demand for better pay)
Campbell he wants to challenge @ abroad (now only i realize pompey is aboard team)
Freddie is because injury prone
Viera is Arsene allow him to leave
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or maybe we should get better physio?..

This post has been edited by rosicky_return: Mar 15 2011, 05:20 PM
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post Mar 15 2011, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(rosicky_return @ Mar 15 2011, 05:18 PM)
I still think Chamakh and v.Persie can play together.. like how Bergkamp and Henry...


Added on March 15, 2011, 5:20 pm
or maybe we should get better physio?..
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well... maybe we can try this 4-4-2 sometimes this season... maybe against MU at Emirates? heheheh

i think we missed the most... TV5!!! cry.gif
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post Mar 15 2011, 05:22 PM

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talking about Chamakh, if Abidal choked the one is Chamark instead of Samir, i guess Abidal aredi sent off sweat.gif sweat.gif

can i replace Chamakh with Eboue too?
just for lol

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post Mar 15 2011, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(sakaito @ Mar 15 2011, 05:22 PM)
well... maybe we can try this 4-4-2 sometimes this season... maybe against MU at Emirates? heheheh

i think we missed the most... TV5!!!  cry.gif
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maybe a 4-4-2 with different approach might work with RVP drop deep and create chances for his strike partner.
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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Mar 15 2011, 05:09 PM)
NO. You have a great striker in Persie and a decent one in Chamakh. Pair them both to 4-4-2 and I'll think you'll reap more rewards. What you need is a midfield general and some steel in  you centerbacks pairing. But of course, your team might have to change the way they play which I think it is impossible under Wenger.
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i love Robin, he's a proper Gooner and 1 of us. 1 of the best striker in the world when fit and playing. and i do think that after all those saving these past few years we (Arsenal of course) are rich enough to be able to afford having him as luxury players. so i will keep him, proper captain as well

however, looking at the other side of the coin 1 surely able to see that le Boss won't change the way we play. and the way we play best is with Robin as our main striker. attacking-wise we are not even at our 50% level when Robin not available purely because the replacements are not suited to our current style. i do believe Nik and Marouane are better suited to 442 tactic

so all being said, given that Robin at his best can only be counted for half of the season why would we still want to base our attacking play with him as our main striker? after all, le Boss won't change our style of play anytime soon IMO

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QUOTE(rosicky_return @ Mar 15 2011, 05:18 PM)
I still think Chamakh and v.Persie can play together.. like how Bergkamp and Henry...


Added on March 15, 2011, 5:20 pm
or maybe we should get better physio?..
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i think so, take a look at MU, Rooney estimate to rest 1month but he appeared 2weeks @ CL clash with Bayern
Nani estimated 3-4weeks, now smokescreen he can play tonight...

thou we have RvP too but i guess RvP just a smokescreen from the begining
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post Mar 15 2011, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(jam_lennon @ Mar 15 2011, 05:22 PM)
talking about Chamakh, if Abidal choked the one is Chamark instead of Samir, i guess Abidal aredi sent off sweat.gif  sweat.gif

can i replace Chamakh with Eboue too?
just for lol
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Those stupid UEFA and FIFA heads will let that incident passes by as if nothing happened. But when it comes to English clubs, you can see all sorts of comments in the media. Yes, this might be a conspiracy theory but it does not change the fact that those two clowns are biased.

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post Mar 15 2011, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(nshady @ Mar 15 2011, 05:12 PM)
And what makes you think he is better than AW? Look at bayern munich now, you think they are in good position? Regarding his past, AW is as good as him la.
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When was the last time AW won the trophy?

Van Gaal has done well last season with Bayern.
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post Mar 15 2011, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Mar 15 2011, 05:09 PM)
NO. You have a great striker in Persie and a decent one in Chamakh. Pair them both to 4-4-2 and I'll think you'll reap more rewards. What you need is a midfield general and some steel in  you centerbacks pairing. But of course, your team might have to change the way they play which I think it is impossible under Wenger.
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Chamakh + RvP would be a good pairing and definitely reap rewards or even RvP in a 4-3-3 (staying fit all season) but the problem (for the last 4-5 years) is that RvP can't stay fit.
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post Mar 15 2011, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(toshio14 @ Mar 15 2011, 05:24 PM)
i love Robin, he's a proper Gooner and 1 of us. 1 of the best striker in the world when fit and playing. and i do think that after all those saving these past few years we (Arsenal of course) are rich enough to be able to afford having him as luxury players. so i will keep him, proper captain as well

however, looking at the other side of the coin 1 surely able to see that le Boss won't change the way we play. and the way we play best is with Robin as our main striker. attacking-wise we are not even at our 50% level when Robin not available purely because the replacements are not suited to our current style. i do believe Nik and Marouane are better suited to 442 tactic

so all being said, given that Robin at his best can only be counted for half of the season why would we still want to base our attacking play with him as our main striker? after all, le Boss won't change our style of play anytime soon IMO
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That, you need to ask your Manager, LOL.

Stubborn? The same case with SAF but thankfully he admitted that he made mistakes at times. At times, us as fans are puzzled with his decisions. BUT, he's the manager and he KNOWS best. People tend to forget that. He works with the players closely and we as fans judged everything based on what we see and FM.

I have said it before, if you can get Persie fit at least 70% of the season, you might win some titles. And, you need plan B if your usual play doesn't bear any fruits. Teams these days have better assesment/judgement in playing BIG teams. It is either physically or tactically.
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QUOTE(rosicky_return @ Mar 15 2011, 05:18 PM)
I still think Chamakh and v.Persie can play together.. like how Bergkamp and Henry...


Added on March 15, 2011, 5:20 pm
or maybe we should get better physio?..
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I saw some positives about Chamakh. He was willing to take the punishment when he went for the headers. Too bad that B52 is not that clinical with his finish. He was masheranoed because he is not a Balottelli or Ade.

I believe Ade would have strike that only 'breakaway opportunity' that Arsenal had at Camp Nou.

IMO Ade's first love is with Arsenal. IMO given another chance he will return as a 30 goal scorer. Even taking a pay cut (which he did now at RM).
For one reason or another (some rumours about his liability as an AC/DC PLAYER which is none of our business regarding his orientation being publicised in a blog) he was sold to City. City dumped him because of this alleged liability (perhaps its true), wage issues (Financial Fair Play) or Mario as his replacement etc.

Anyways if Lehmann was GK against MU he would have stiffen or steel arsenal defense from being bullied.

One of the turning point was when Rooney dumped Sagna on tho the sideline. A great team especially with Pires or Vieira would have return the favour by doing it on Rooney or that Mexican or Scholes who came in later on.
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Guys, this CBP is getting more terrible. He's moving around people's thread spamming about MU.
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David Moyes also can bring success for Arsenal especially can work with limited transfer budget.

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I don't think a 4-4-2 would make too much of a difference. One of the strikers would drop deep (to support the midfield, which would not have the numbers advantage we have now) and we'd revert to the old shape anyway.

Unless you're thinking of returning to the counter-attacking 4-4-2 we had back in the days. I certainly think we've got the players for it, but don't think we've got time to prepare for it this season. In any case, I think Arsene's view on this is impossible to change. He obviously feels that it is better to devote training completely to drilling for one formation.
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QUOTE(Casanova88 @ Mar 15 2011, 05:44 PM)
David Moyes also can bring success for Arsenal especially can work with limited transfer budget.
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David Moyes can't even bring Everton to Top 4, dude.

Arsene is maintaining Arsenal at Top 4 year in year out with LIMITED BUDGET as you mentioned.

You're getting personal on Arsene.
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Finally we've got some real meaningful discussions going on instead of the whining and trolling about our defeats.


QUOTE(ivanau88 @ Mar 15 2011, 02:22 PM)
Actually among the all Invincibles other than Henry, Pires should have be kept. He was very influential in his last season. His pace decreases together his age but when Arsene played him in the central midfield along with Cesc. He actually played very well. Example: Came out of bench against WBA during the Dennis Bergkamp day. Oh yeah, he is still playing good in Aston Villa.
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I love Bobby, in fact he and Titi are my all-time favourite players.

But Bobby was a player that was pretty much in decline in his final season. Reyes at that time was gradually getting more and more showtime, although it must be said that Reyes didn't really quite make it eventually due to reasons we all know. Rosicky, who had a fairly good World Cup in 2006, was brought in to fill the gap that Bobby left behind; and during that time it was a real bargain deal. In hindsight Rosicky's injuries prevented him from becoming the player we wanted him to be, but nobody could have foreseen this.

And, Bobby never set Spain alight despite his reputation; and when we played Villareal it's obvious that he hasn't got much left in his tank. It's unlikely that he'll be able to contribute to this current team at the level that he was with us during his peak.

QUOTE(Nemesis13 @ Mar 15 2011, 01:30 PM)
Lets start with strikers/forwards :
1) RVP10
2) C29
3) NB52
4) A23
5) TW14
6) V11 (Loan to WBA)
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1. Robin - Without doubt our best striker at the moment. He's an intelligent player who not only scores goals, but also brings others into play. Very Bergkampesque, and in fact probably scored as many as, if not more, mouthwatering goals than Bergkamp did. And a player like this will last longer into his 30s since he doesn't rely on speed which tends to fade with age. Injury is his worst enemy, the lack of pace probably is too although with runners such as Theo around, Robin doesn't need to sprint - he just needs to pass it.

2. Chamakh - Bargain buy of the summer. We played hardball and got our man for free, and he did his job in keeping us in the title hunt early on when we had no strikers. Never really convinced anyone that he's a 30-goal-a-season striker, even in his Bordeaux days. I'd like to think of him as a role model and a bridging player for Nick as we await the latter's maturation. Needs to bloody shoot more. Don't think he will replace Robin when the latter is fit, but I think Nick is going to surpass him if he doesn't return to his early season form.

3. Nick - the player that many love to hate. I for one is sticking by him; those who have watched him from his early days will realise how much he has improved. From a battering ram in his youth and B'ham days, he started to show his versatility too by playing second striker to Dudu, and also in his recent games his ability to provide good crosses. He misses a lot of goals, but he at least gets into positions frequent enough to shoot. He's unlikely to be able to have the speed of Titi, the vision of Bergkamp, or even the trickery of Robin; but he is Nicklas Bendtner and does things his own way. For every missed open-goal opportunity, he repays it in a vital equaliser or even a winning goal in the next game. And yes, he scored more hattricks than Robin. He, or rather his mouth, is his worst enemy.

4. Andy - Our luxury player. For some reason he still hasn't regained the spark that he brought when he first arrived, but he's still capable of providing that stroke of inspiration. Regardless of what everyone thinks of him this season, his statistics shows that he has contributed a huge extent to our attacking prowess. Not a player that I would cry for should he ever leaves, but he's handy to have around in the team just for the magic touch.

5. Theo - Bloody start him whenever he's fit ! Our closest thing to Thierry Heny, and that's not just due to his afterburners. Those who are oblivious to Theo's improvement, and importance, are obviously blind. He's not the best dribbler, although he can beat players with trickery when needed; his pace is second to none; and he has added sharp finishing and improved his cutbacks this season. His understanding with Nick is also something worthwhile - I wouldn't be surprised if Nick-Theo becomes our main attacking force in the future. Theo works best when we have players launching balls from deep like Capi or Robin. But again like Capi and Robin, injuries is his worst enemy.

6. Vela - I don't know what to think of him. Showed much promise especially when he tears lower league teams apart in cup games, but has he really done anything significant at senior level? Granted, he hasn't gotten as many chances as some other players have, but there's a reason why Andy, Nasri, and Theo are ahead of him. More importantly, he needs to stamp his authority as WBA's most important player first before even thinking about becoming Arsenal's. Good thing for Carlos is that he has time on his side.

7. Nasri - Just adding Nasri here since he's often deployed in the front triumvirate rather than in midfield. A hybrid of Bobby and Freddie actually, with twinkling footwork that betters both of them. Took some time to settle in and overcome his injuries, but once he's on fire there's no stopping him. The main issue with Nasri at the moment is he can't do everything on his own - he's not a playmaker like Zidane or even Capi so should stop trying to be one. Leave the fancy passes to the playmakers - just dribble his way through and smack a venomous shot which he is more than capable of. Seems to have better games when deployed on the right, but when Theo is fit he will likely start on the left while drifting into the centre. One thing that he can learn from Bobby and Freddie before him is his runs into the box - both our previous wingers tend to pop up in the right place at the right time.

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QUOTE(Casanova88 @ Mar 15 2011, 06:44 PM)
David Moyes also can bring success for Arsenal especially can work with limited transfer budget.
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I agree with this absolutely.

often you find fans praise wenger for it's ability to not spend big and title seem to be not necessary these days ..
So Moyes will be a splendid choice as replacement in this sense since title is not a necessary to Arsenal.


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QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Mar 15 2011, 06:04 PM)
Finally we've got some real meaningful discussions going on instead of the whining and trolling about our defeats.
I love Bobby, in fact he and Titi are my all-time favourite players.

But Bobby was a player that was pretty much in decline in his final season. Reyes at that time was gradually getting more and more showtime, although it must be said that Reyes didn't really quite make it eventually due to reasons we all know. Rosicky, who had a fairly good World Cup in 2006, was brought in to fill the gap that Bobby left behind; and during that time it was a real bargain deal. In hindsight Rosicky's injuries prevented him from becoming the player we wanted him to be, but nobody could have foreseen this.

And, Bobby never set Spain alight despite his reputation; and when we played Villareal it's obvious that he hasn't got much left in his tank. It's unlikely that he'll be able to contribute to this current team at the level that he was with us during his peak.
1. Robin - Without doubt our best striker at the moment. He's an intelligent player who not only scores goals, but also brings others into play. Very Bergkampesque, and in fact probably scored as many as, if not more, mouthwatering goals than Bergkamp did. And a player like this will last longer into his 30s since he doesn't rely on speed which tends to fade with age. Injury is his worst enemy, the lack of pace probably is too although with runners such as Theo around, Robin doesn't need to sprint - he just needs to pass it.

2. Chamakh - Bargain buy of the summer. We played hardball and got our man for free, and he did his job in keeping us in the title hunt early on when we had no strikers. Never really convinced anyone that he's a 30-goal-a-season striker, even in his Bordeaux days. I'd like to think of him as  a role model and a bridging player for Nick as we await the latter's maturation. Needs to bloody shoot more. Don't think he will replace Robin when the latter is fit, but I think Nick is going to surpass him if he doesn't return to his early season form.

3. Nick - the player that many love to hate. I for one is sticking by him; those who have watched him from his early days will realise how much he has improved. From a battering ram in his youth and B'ham days, he started to show his versatility too by playing second striker to Dudu, and also in his recent games his ability to provide good crosses. He misses a lot of goals, but he at least gets into positions frequent enough to shoot. He's unlikely to be able to have the speed of Titi, the vision of Bergkamp, or even the trickery of Robin; but he is Nicklas Bendtner and does things his own way. For every missed open-goal opportunity, he repays it in a vital equaliser or even a winning goal in the next game. And yes, he scored more hattricks than Robin. He, or rather his mouth, is his worst enemy.

4. Andy - Our luxury player. For some reason he still hasn't regained the spark that he brought when he first arrived, but he's still capable of providing that stroke of inspiration. Regardless of what everyone thinks of him this season, his statistics shows that he has contributed a huge extent to our attacking prowess. Not a player that I would cry for should he ever leaves, but he's handy to have around in the team just for the magic touch.

5. Theo - Bloody start him whenever he's fit ! Our closest thing to Thierry Heny, and that's not just due to his afterburners. Those who are oblivious to Theo's improvement, and importance, are obviously blind. He's not the best dribbler, although he can beat players with trickery when needed; his pace is second to none; and he has added sharp finishing and improved his cutbacks this season. His understanding with Nick is also something worthwhile - I wouldn't be surprised if Nick-Theo becomes our main attacking force in the future. Theo works best when we have players launching balls from deep like Capi or Robin. But again like Capi and Robin, injuries is his worst enemy.

6. Vela - I don't know what to think of him. Showed much promise especially when he tears lower league teams apart in cup games, but has he really done anything significant at senior level? Granted, he hasn't gotten as many chances as some other players have, but there's a reason why Andy, Nasri, and Theo are ahead of him. More importantly, he needs to stamp his authority as WBA's most important player first before even thinking about becoming Arsenal's. Good thing for Carlos is that he has time on his side.

7. Nasri - Just adding Nasri here since he's often deployed in the front triumvirate rather than in midfield. A hybrid of Bobby and Freddie actually, with twinkling footwork that betters both of them. Took some time to settle in and overcome his injuries, but once he's on fire there's no stopping him. The main issue with Nasri at the moment is he can't do everything on his own - he's not a playmaker like Zidane or even Capi so should stop trying to be one. Leave the fancy passes to the playmakers - just dribble his way through and smack a venomous shot which he is more than capable of. Seems to have better games when deployed on the right, but when Theo is fit he will likely start on the left while drifting into the centre. One thing that he can learn from Bobby and Freddie before him is his runs into the box - both our previous wingers tend to pop up in the right place at the right time.
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I got 1 question for you.

Is NB52 better than Chicarito?

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