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 Arsenal Street Talk, 10 APR 2011 | 2025 | BLP v. ARS

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post Mar 14 2011, 11:37 PM

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sure or not bout the news?i only see arseblog trolling at twitter with lehmann's pics


Added on March 14, 2011, 11:38 pmsure or not bout the news?i only see arseblog trolling at twitter with lehmann's pics

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post Mar 14 2011, 11:39 PM

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lehman? what? he dive sure patah tulang ed..

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post Mar 14 2011, 11:40 PM

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Lehmann might sign indeed, pending a medical. Will be on the bench.

I had guessed we'd get a keeper in before the next Premier League game so not surprised. And considering that lack of candidates, I think Lehmann is as good as it gets.

EDIT: Guardian's talking about it: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/ma...n-arsenal-talks

QUOTE(IsoZ @ Mar 14 2011, 11:10 PM)
@Minority

Agreed with what you said. And I heard about Kyle Bartley but don't really know much about him as I seldom follow Scottish League, just sometimes reading them from news. He is that good? Hmm..

Without Song, no one really there to cover the CDs. Diaby tends to hold the ball for too long thus the flow always slowed down by him.

Denilson is another player whom I had given enough time. No creativity. Jogging all around the pitch.
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Bartley has had a few good performances so far, solid in defence, using his height well, a solid passer at the back and has already scored a goal (corner header). Also has been praised for his attitude, so another plus there.

My brother has the same opinions about Diaby as you and I can understand that, although I do think Diaby adds some steel to the team, which was useful against Evertone when we were getting kicked around in the middle of the park, so I'd say he certainly still has a role.

Denilson, I agree. I do hope he does well even if he leaves, of course, being a poor kid successfully avoiding bad influences and all.

QUOTE(kazek @ Mar 14 2011, 11:14 PM)
All these years refusing to sign experienced proven players, the Double D's have been the same since. I think it was in the 2009 semis of the FA Cup when AW decided to bench Arshavin and Nasri  for the double D's (saying they needed to believe they could beat a team like Chelsea). 2 years later and they are still as clueless as ever.
19 yr old Jack is carrying the team as it stands.

In short, you cannot win with mediocres in the team.
Fullbacks who can't cross to save their lives (I think Clichy averages 1 assist in 2 years). Midfielders than only know how to pass sideways (Double Ds) and have no positional sense, strikers with a poor first touch and generally players without determination, fight, spirit and fear of failure.
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To be fair, Diaby was very useful vs. Newcastle (before being sent off), with brillian tackling stats and the scond highest passer after Fabregas, and also the best pass completion rate. He also brought in physicality against Everton. These reasons alone means he will stay, I believe.

As for crossing fullbacks, that's less the fault of the fullbacks as the system we play. We're not as much a crossing team and we prefer cut-ins and low pullbacks, which are better performed by more advanced players. Our fullbacks provide good width but we're not generally a team that uses the width for crosses.

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post Mar 14 2011, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(minority @ Mar 14 2011, 11:40 PM)

As for crossing fullbacks, that's less the fault of the fullbacks as the system we play. We're not as much a crossing team and we prefer cut-ins and low pullbacks, which are better performed by more advanced players. Our fullbacks provide good width but we're not generally a team that uses the width for crosses.
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Not to sound like a broken record (in bringing up the past) but Ashley Cole while at Arsenal made a huge contribution to our attacking play. Was it not the same system ?
It's not just their lack of crossing ability that bothers me but their minimal contribution to the attack.
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post Mar 14 2011, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(corez @ Mar 14 2011, 11:32 PM)
Basically, you mean that the transition will take around 10 years towards 2014? I'm just trying to highlight that Arsene already had a winning formula (from 98-05) and he took a mighty risk on this 10 year plan.


Around 10 years would be my own standards. I doubt many fans will share my opinions.

Also, I don't think that they have a formal 10-year plan, just that I think that switching to a youth-oriented system takes time and it's too early to say that he has failed and needs a radical change, which is what a lot of people have reacted with in the last few days. "Failure" is too strong a word to use right now and I believe there is still a good chance that this team will come good.

QUOTE(corez @ Mar 14 2011, 11:32 PM)
Ok my mistake, so you did spend some amount on Arshavin and others.


Granted, not nearly as much as other of the Big Four/Five/Six, but reasonable and not low enough to be stereotyped as a kedekut club.

QUOTE(corez @ Mar 14 2011, 11:32 PM)
BTW if the bubble do burst, won't Arsenal be affected as there are less TV revenue and sponsorship? And how much fun it would be if Arsenal is the only high profile club left?
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The falling tide lowers all boats, definitely, but Arsenal will be best equip to adapt, e.g. capable of offerring the best deals to players relative to other clubs. It's always the relative position to other clubs that matter instead of the absolute wealth of the club. Even if revert to paying players £1000 a week as per the early 90s, the club who can pay £1500 still has the edge.

As for how much fun, perhaps for some people, less fun. But the legions of Rangers-Celtic fans and Madrid-Barca fans surely don't mind so I reckon a lot of people won't find it less fun. A win against Spuds is good regardless of who they field, in my opinion.

And besides, Arsenal would never be the only high profile club around. Even if the likes of Man Utd and Liverpool are battered, they;d still remain big clubs. The financial grounding of Arsenal provides greater stability, is all.


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QUOTE(kazek @ Mar 14 2011, 11:46 PM)
Not to sound like a broken record (in bringing up the past) but Ashley Cole while at Arsenal made a huge contribution to our attacking play. Was it not the same system ?
It's not just their lack of crossing ability that bothers me but their minimal contribution to the attack.
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You're quite right about Cole, but for better or worst, our style has changed significantly from the more direct style of the past. We're now more tippy-tappy and our fullbacks seem to be there to provide width more than anything. My point is that it seems more a function of team instructions than fullback timidness.

And to be fair, Sagna is a marauding runner and one of the most tireless player on the field, puts in a few assists and shots on goal every once in a while.

Perhaps they could contribute more a la Dani Alves (the *******).

Trawling through the stats though, it seems that Sagna's assist numbers match Cashley's. so I won't say the gap is so big. I am personally more worried about Clichy's defensive performances (raising hands instead of chasing David Villa in that goal at the Grove)

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post Mar 15 2011, 12:22 AM

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Lehmann should smack some sense on Koscielny and Squillaci
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QUOTE(joe405 @ Mar 14 2011, 11:28 PM)
got news from arsenal official at fb

Lehman in London to sign Arsenal.The agreement is expected to be formalized this week.
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as a player or coach? before i heard he wud be coaching our gk.
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lehmann and almunia had grunges before i heard.

back together in one team, dressing room might get a bit hot
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QUOTE(judojuddy @ Mar 15 2011, 12:29 AM)
as a player or coach? before i heard he wud be coaching our gk.
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as a player..

backup for almunia
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post Mar 15 2011, 12:54 AM

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post Mar 15 2011, 01:15 AM

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nothing said about lehmann in arsenal fb
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post Mar 15 2011, 01:50 AM

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not sure if this has been posted, but a nice read

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/ap...ewsstory.sport8
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post Mar 15 2011, 03:32 AM

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http://www.arsenalreport.com/2011/03/the-m...ing-in-6-years/


Added on March 15, 2011, 3:44 amthe news about lehmann is on bbc sport wo
can't be fake?

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post Mar 15 2011, 06:27 AM

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QUOTE(chika138 @ Mar 15 2011, 03:32 AM)
http://www.arsenalreport.com/2011/03/the-m...ing-in-6-years/


Added on March 15, 2011, 3:44 amthe news about lehmann is on bbc sport wo
can't be fake?
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yup, the author view is similar as mine. Many old timers Arsenal supporter think that the current impatience is driven by younger generation who witness the Double and Invincible era.

And those comments about Lehmann coming back to Arsenal at soccernet make me laugh. This is just emergency signing, yet most of the hater make a big fuzz for it like Arsene Wenger has lost his plot etc.

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post Mar 15 2011, 06:30 AM

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lehmann, I doubt almunia will works with him
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post Mar 15 2011, 06:47 AM

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i would love to see the old man screaming again. Oyeahh. Btw, miquel gonna have time to shine..i like his style..he knows where to stand.

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After W.B.A game.. hope more players back after the international break..


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post Mar 15 2011, 09:11 AM

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lehmann is just a temporary bench goalie which not expected to play any league match unless almunia injures again ...

it is not a big deal actually ...
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post Mar 15 2011, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Mar 15 2011, 06:27 AM)
yup, the author view is similar as mine. Many old timers Arsenal supporter think that the current impatience is driven by younger generation who witness the Double and Invincible era.

And those comments about Lehmann coming back to Arsenal at soccernet make me laugh. This is just emergency signing, yet most of the hater make a big fuzz for it like Arsene Wenger has lost his plot etc.
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I'm not a fan of re-signing players as well. But I'm not complaining simply because there is little or no decent GK that is available for loan at the moment and we desperately need some cover.
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can the signing of lehmann possibly fired up almunia once again?

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