if he has the holding power, $ etc, he has no rush to sell to u now.
he can renovate and then rent at a better rental.  (maybe he has now learnt how to choose the right tenants from the past mistakes)

so for u, either accept the price or find another unit/area

There has been cases like yours. People like him perhaps are in no hurry to sell. Maybe he is already loaded and can afford to "fish" for a better price. Maybe you should find out a bit about his background. Does he look like he is a motivated seller? I was interested in a old house once and tried to bargain with the seller. Found out was very loaded and did not pursue. Its like that.

i'm 25..a fresh graduate graduated from UK majoring in finance just landed on a Management associate job in 1 of the MNC in Malaysia...

starting pay- RM2300 (to be revised after completion of the 2 years training program)

feel like freaking stressful when talking about this property prices..

For others may perceive that Foreign grad that got a MTP job in MNC seems to have a lot of bright prospect but i seem myself very gloomy future down the road....

I am local and my great grandfather follow Yap Ah Low to develop the KL raw land ...but now seems like i can't even have my own 5 feet place to sleep( to own a house) *those speculate jerks who didn't contribute to the economy but everyday just going to new launch development site to sign a few S&P documents ,few more months back pass back the title to freshie like us and earn the "jackpot" with appreciation gain out of nothing...

People like us work like hell from 9am to 9pm in MNC just able to fork out few hundreds to save in a month...

But people like those freaking rich auntie just buying properties like buying vegetables ,5 units in 1 new lauching project, b4 get CF, gain 50k appreciate, Sell... 50k x 5 = 250k

we freshie only managed to save RM300 per month, it will take how long to reach RM250k... but auntie just put few thousands for downpayment to developer, few months later, magic show starts, RM250k cash in ..wink ^_* ( definately she will sing the Rihanna's song .. don't stop the music.. come ..young man..keep buying.. agent asking buy now ..if not few months back increase again... developer asking.. no bubble.. buy buy buy ..so that they can sell to u more more more at HIGHER and SKY HIGH Price) i knew i ady have written in a very emotional way ady... haha..but i just can't help it...

ok..after emo from my right brain.. it's to use my left brain to analyse..

According to Property Price to income ratio, Malaysia seems quite low compared to Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore, China ,Taiwan, Korea (see any similarities ??)

1. They are all Chinese origin, we Chinese custom from 5000 years back, die die must have a house to start a family)

2. They are all very developed country in economic sense...but Malaysia?? hehe..are we??

this is what I object what the agent said about Malaysia property price is much cheaper now compared to Hong kong and Singapore...
but ahem..excuse me...do we earn as much as HongKee and Singaporen or Japanese?? what are their GDP per capita???

World Ranking (by USD) GDP per Capita as at 2010 (sources from IMF)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...l%29_per_capita

15  Singapore  43,117
16  Japan          42,820
24  Hong Kong  31,591
25  Brunei          31,239 (surprise me, Brunei.wow)
33  South Korea  20,591
37  Taiwan      18,458
50  Libya          11,314 (lol..even Libya just got attack also doing  better than Malaysia by far percentage..are we ashamed or not?? )

65  Malaysia            8,423
94  China                4,382 (dun forget PRC has 1.3billion ppl)

(comment a bit above)
Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan,Korea needs not to say..They ady get rid of medium income trap.. their economy can producing high value add on products and rakyat enjoy high income so that high property price still can sustainable...

moreover, Singapore and Hong Kong do have a protective security net for low income group, they can't buy private house, still have "HIGH QUALITY HDB Flats" for the citizen.. but What About Malaysia???

Our Goverment said RM3k is considered HIGH INCOME group?? but bloody hell..do u think RM3k alone can afford to buy a house??? say cheers to urself in tat particular month if u no need borrow RM300 from ur parents or cash advance from credit card if u r living in KL...

so.. I earning 3k ,Gov said i ady high income group, suppose I should not have the problem to own a property ,rite? since I am so "success".. but the fact is ???

what about those low income group below 3k??? what about the new generation future?? yeah.. 18 years education n training in Malaysia... Singapore Gov get it all talents for free.. TQ very much for ur highly productive workforce n cheap as well...

okay..come to an article on Household debt in Malaysia – Is it sustainable? — S.M.Mohamed Idris
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/breakin....mohamed-idris/

According to Bank Negara’s Annual Report 2010, Malaysia’s household debt at end of 2010 was RM 581 billion or 76 per cent of GDP (Gross Domestic Product). The Bank claimed that the household debt is still manageable because of income growth, high levels of savings and favourable employment opportunities.

Malaysian household debt service ratio
39.1 per cent in 2006
49.0 per cent in 2009
47.8 per cent in 2010.

(Meaning to say earning RM100, almost half of paying off housing, car instalment, credit card)
left RM50, then what else?? not to say
1）insurance (getting more n more expensive due to medical inflation)
2) daily meal allowance ( food price hike like hell, sugar,what else?)
3) utilities ( TNB naik lagi)
4) transportation (no more subsidy, transporter said wanna increase again)
5) ptptn fee
6) children tuition fee
7) grocery
8)internet
9)mobile
10) basic entertainment (movie..etc)
11)parents allowance
12) car maintenance
13) gf maintenance
*take note, item 12 or 13 could be very expensive too ..hehe ^^ depend on individual
14) savings (Masih ada meh???? sudah negative lor ....)

n Please pray to God or Allah or Buddha or whatever, that no1 in ur family fall sick or need emergency treatment, as 1 minor surgery could cost you nearly bankrupt....

and Answer to BNM item 2)high levels of savings
1)we young generation will have no money to save
2) Old generation save becoz they don't see any productive economy opportunity to invest, or worried for the future, only thing, goreng stock and goreng property la..is it health to an economy??

and BNM item 1) income growth and 3)employment opportunities are in certain correlation from my point of view..

as what Najib is proposing ..ETP (yes, Economic Transformation Program)...sounds glamorous and  shed a light to a gloomy gen-y youngster like me..

What I only know..Mr.Prime MInister.. sebelum kita jadi HIgh Income Country, sekarang ni sudah High Burden la...apa pun naik, gaji tak naik...
have a look on the latest http://www.statistics.gov.my/portal/index....emid=89&lang=en

my lecturer said , he earns RM2300 in Standard Charted Bank also once he graduated back in 20 years ago...
but now , I also earning RM2300 after graduated from UK..

at that time, he bought a bangsar landed property just cost him around RM30k..
i just check on bangsar landed property just now, it shows Bangsar,RM13,2Million (RM380.00 psf)

Bangsar Property price increased by 440 x
Fresh Grad Salary increased by          0 x (stagnant )

once again- well done.. Bolehland!!!

let's talk about Income growth and Employment Opportunities...
definately we Malaysia ady fall into Middle income trap countries..
To producing high quality services and products like Singapore, Hong Kong, Korea and Japan （Can we or Do we able to fight??)
(Singapore and Hong Kong have a world class financial centre, logistic port, free corruption n busines friendly environment, do we have tat???)
(Japan can made high quality and cheap Toyota or Korea can made hyundai or LG)
What We Malaysian proud of ?? Making Proton cars ?? but still need protection??? and cost we Malaysian paying so high instalment for a ok ok proton for such a high price and sacrifice our quality of life...

To achieve a high income country > to able produce high value of services or product n efficient > can we product high tech or value product services > (do we have tat talents?? or able to attract the talents or could we have the efficient and skillful workforce???) > to attract those talent > what is our gov policy or our current environment??

write till here...my paid is freaking low(RM2300 for junior)..but the same equivalent job i could earn about SGD3500 in senior position (about RM7500).. about 3x what i earn in Malaysia...

so don't say we young generation not loyalty or to serve our country ...(but i dunno why i still serve my contribution in Malaysia becoz my family is here .. n I still love KL n it's my root)

btw,1 last sentence..
Looking at the problem from the ratio of household debt to disposable income, this ratio is 140.4  per cent for Malaysia, one of the highest in the world; above that of Singapore at 105.3  per cent, USA at 123.3  per cent and Thailand at 52.7 per cent in 2009. This means that the loans taken by each household in Malaysia is on average 1.4 times more than its household income. 

yes.. no.1 in the world 140.4 percent for household debt to disposable income ...yes..we r more serious than sub-prime buyers in U.S and yet ppl say we Malaysia will not happen that what happened in U.S...

i just wondering if ppl stop repaying their repayment n go bust, Banks surely are the one whose get affected drastically....if bank no money channeling out money out...surely tighten of credit supply...a mere property price bubble burst could trigger the stock marke collapse hence the hit into the real economy....it just like what happened in 1997..

perhaps 1 big event i believed which might started in China will initiate a contagion effect on the Asian region and sweep away all the excess liquidity in the market and once again 1997 Asian financial Crisis will once ..the history repeat itself again.. it's a circle anyway driven by human greedy n fear...

so.. the music chair ..see when the music stops la...

n i think very soon .....

Good write up. Old folks too hard to understand, still in wonderland. Tat's for your generation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJl6brFT-RQ...player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxgiz6T17RU...player_embedded

Good write up. Old folks too hard to understand, still in wonderland. Tat's for your generation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJl6brFT-RQ...player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxgiz6T17RU...player_embedded

Good write up. Old folks too hard to understand, still in wonderland. Tat's for your generation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJl6brFT-RQ...player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxgiz6T17RU...player_embedded

if u talk about the old flat got dirty-dirty thing i m sure no matter which country citizen also scared lioa... lari kuat-kuat loh...

Maybe u never been to old-old flat...   

precisely...
Our low cost flat condition is below par, I lived in Tasik Selatan flat before (blk 26), it is dammmm scary, drug addict peeing in the lift, shits at the emergency staircase, people simply throw rubbish fr top, my ex-neighbour's kancil roof top was squashed by a large bag of ice (bout 2 kg!!) fr top flr, imagine if it hit someone's head, sure die!

precisely...
Our low cost flat condition is below par, I lived in Tasik Selatan flat before (blk 26), it is dammmm scary, drug addict peeing in the lift, shits at the emergency staircase, people simply throw rubbish fr top, my ex-neighbour's kancil roof top was squashed by a large bag of ice (bout 2 kg!!) fr top flr, imagine if it hit someone's head, sure die!

agreed. low costs flats smell bad, security is zero, drug addicts hang around under the staircase. even mid cost flats are terrible now days. my friend was stalked 3 times taking the lift up to her flats. she couldnt even call security for help because the guards are "dua kali lima" as well.

it's not like we are sombong. if you can get me a decent flat for less than rm200k certainly i will jump at it. but now days, if a single girl wants to live alone, you have to pay like hell for an apartment that makes you feel some sense of safety.

Personally, no doubt the economy is in the recovery mode, we have to understand that good times won't last forever.

I seriously think the property market is really "kuku" right now and to dismiss that there's no bubble brewing is pretty much an understatement.

Fortune favours the brave AND those who are patient

The issue with property bubble is demand and supply.  With the ever increasingly small world aided by good international transport connections between major cities, can't look at Kuala Lumpur's property prices purely on a local context and consideration.

Prime condo around KLCC has yet to breach the RM2,000 per square feet while similar prime area in downtown Singapore is already well above SGD4,000 per square feet which works out to RM10,000 per square feet.  Therefore, it is still dirt cheap in Kuala Lumpur for regional and international investors.

For the property bubble to burst, surrounding cities like Singapore, Bangkok, Jakarta will have to go first long before Kuala Lumpur.  Even if the bubble do burst in the region and property prices goes down by half, Kuala Lumpur is still a safe haven in money terms because of the low investment.

Fdi is flowing out year after year. It's now the locals who are supporting the major fdi. Don't believe the spin doctors at work. Our fdi sucks and it doesn't matter when it's 4k psf or 20k psf. When economy crash everyone will get affected, especially ours because we are n ow the ones supporting the country fdi

U think we can survive without jobs? And on a bad economy? Our fdi is supported by high household debt.

Do not think that mismanagement, inefficiency, greed, corruption and all have no consequences. U are all a part of it. The one last in the race loses.

agreed.. highly depend on luck ! 
good luck then get good boss + who appreciate u..
bad luck.. no need to say already..

Average salary 2k or whatever that is much lower. Regardless of you are a fresh grad or primary school level.
No need to go n look for good boss, your salary is the reflection of how important you are in the market or to the society. If you are capable and able to grab what the future needs and short of. (THE GOOD BOSS WILL COME TO LOOK FOR YOU AND APPRAISE YOUR SALARY APPROPRIATELY)

If you are a just an average joe or store keeper that carry out routine job then don't complain, the limit of your level is only there either you upgrade yourself or lag behind the race. The world is like that if everybody also high income there will be no rich and poor differences. If that's the case developer sell 100 unit of ideal house that 1000 people with high income fit for the house price tag, who will get it?

Stop being ignorant there are alot of rich people in malaysia, I got friends earning 6 figure a year and that's normal. Our age just early 30.

Average salary 2k or whatever that is much lower. Regardless of you are a fresh grad or primary school level.
No need to go n look for good boss, your salary is the reflection of how important you are in the market or to the society. If you are capable and able to grab what the future needs and short of. (THE GOOD BOSS WILL COME TO LOOK FOR YOU AND APPRAISE YOUR SALARY APPROPRIATELY)

If you are a just an average joe or store keeper that carry out routine job then don't complain, the limit of your level is only there either you upgrade yourself or lag behind the race. The world is like that if everybody also high income there will be no rich and poor differences. If that's the case developer sell 100 unit of ideal house that 1000 people with high income fit for the house price tag, who will get it?

Stop being ignorant there are alot of rich people in malaysia, I got friends earning 6 figure a year and that's normal. Our age just early 30.

Stop being ignorant there are alot of rich people in malaysia, I got friends earning 6 figure a year and that's normal. Our age just early 30.

wow...
6 figures as of 100k or 500k or 900k?
thx

He..he the key words are friend"s" & early 30, even 100K gross income can be considered very successful already

not to difficult if you manage to be a professional or assistant manager and above in a reputable company that gives at least 3 months bonuses.
base on that trajectory, one needs rm6667 per month to achieve rm100k.
and that is excluding allowances. so in relative term, one needs a basic of rm6k per month with good bonuses to breach the rm100k pa threshold.
am sure there plenty of people who have sucessfully breach this and probably some below 30.
muah? i am not so lucky.