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Financial Are property prices going to drop? V2, The heated debate continues

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post Apr 21 2011, 01:41 PM

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this type of news worry me.
when ppl are more more optimistic
situation will turn bad
hope this is not happening too soon.
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post Apr 21 2011, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 21 2011, 12:05 PM)
Mostly sapu habis habis? Who told you that? Dont tell me the property agent or the take up rate board that they display!
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then, where are the unsold units ????? Developers telan habis? unlikely right?
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post Apr 21 2011, 01:46 PM

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i can't believe it.. they even use newspaper to convince ppl to go BBB mode
the power of media..
i wonder how many will falls into the hole ~ biggrin.gif
actually if foreign investor reli buy our props..
i will be happy also.. cus they're indirectly helping us to become a developed country..
we need foreign investment badly..
if that particular place is reli kaboom.. then rugi one is foreign.. good for malaysian..
come come foreign investment.. help develop bolehland..
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post Apr 21 2011, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Apr 21 2011, 11:56 AM)
The Star Online > Business
Thursday April 21, 2011

Inflation and demand to lift property prices 10%-20% this year

By EUGENE MAHALINGAM
eugenicz@thestar.com.my

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysian property prices are expected to increase at an average of between 10% and 20% this year, in light of rising inflation and increase in demand for local properties from foreigners, said Deputy Finance Minister Datuk Donald Lim Siang Chai.

“Inflation in 2010 stood at 2.2% and was at 2.4% in the first two months of this year. We expect it to be higher this year due to escalating food and oil prices,” he said after the launch of the National Property Information Centre's (Napic) property market report 2010 yesterday.

Lim also said many foreigners were looking to purchase property here because the prices of properties were cheaper than in neighbouring countries such as Singapore.

“And Malaysia, because of the ETP (Economic Transformation Programme) has attracted a number of investments from overseas. Investments last year were four times higher than 2009.

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“We also expect more foreign companies to set up base here. Our Islamic banking is No. 1 in the world (so) all this will attract foreigners to come into Malaysia,” Lim said, adding that this would also contribute towards pushing up prices of properties in Malaysia.

He said rising oil prices would also cause prices to escalate.

“There's a lot of uncertainty in the Middle East. It's beyond our control and that (rising oil prices) will affect the other things,” he said adding that property prices in Malaysia were currently at a “manageable position.”


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these figures refer to the WHOLE MALAYSIA? Can check out what figures for SElangor and Kuala Lumpur?
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i doubt he understands what he is talking about rclxub.gif

so since our property prices are cheap, so the government is happy that foreigners come and goreng the price higher and left its own people suffer ??????????

what if the foreigners goreng goreng goreng, after many Malaysians jumped in alredy, then foreigner said, untung cukup, all cabut ???? who will suffer? definitely not this so called YB la ....

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post Apr 21 2011, 01:49 PM

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Aiyoh guys... Don't argue la.

We wait and see what will be happened next. Hehehe
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post Apr 21 2011, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Apr 21 2011, 01:49 PM)
Aiyoh guys... Don't argue la.

We wait and see what will be happened next. Hehehe
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no arguing la.

just Beh Tahan all these politicians talking without own research. i bet he just followed what many people said, malaysian properties are cheap cheap cheap and wanna shiok sendiri linking this to economy growth biggrin.gif
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post Apr 21 2011, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(godutch @ Apr 21 2011, 01:52 PM)
no arguing la.

just Beh Tahan all these politicians talking without own research. i bet he just followed what many people said, malaysian properties are cheap cheap cheap and wanna shiok sendiri linking this to economy growth  biggrin.gif
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BN politician veli geng one biggrin.gif they are the best..
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post Apr 21 2011, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(CKHong @ Apr 21 2011, 01:58 PM)
BN politician veli geng one  biggrin.gif  they are the best..
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one of the factors affect the local property market = Politic ma.. blush.gif
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post Apr 21 2011, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Apr 21 2011, 02:32 PM)
one of the factors affect the local property market = Politic ma.. blush.gif
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i concur !
most of it relies on politician..
they say " ok.. lets implement this "
then will affect properties either up or down smile.gif
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post Apr 21 2011, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(CKHong @ Apr 21 2011, 02:54 PM)
i concur ! 
most of it relies on politician..
they say  " ok.. lets implement this "
then will affect properties either up or down  smile.gif
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That is advantage of become politician ...

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post Apr 21 2011, 10:19 PM

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since when did BN politicians says anything not stupid and relevant?

Never~

They still think we are orang ulu who listened and believed in everything they say or claim.
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post Apr 21 2011, 10:29 PM

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The property rise 10-20%. The Inflation is 2.4%.

These 2 sentence do not make sense together. If the property inflate by 10-20% how can the inflation be 2.4%?
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post Apr 21 2011, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(locke @ Apr 21 2011, 10:29 PM)
The property rise 10-20%. The Inflation is 2.4%.

These 2 sentence do not make sense together. If the property inflate by 10-20% how can the inflation be 2.4%?
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hehehe...the theory is like "Tepung naik Harga RM0.20/kilo, roti/roti canai naik RM0.20/ketul; Gula naik harga RM0.20/kilo, minuman naik harga RM0.20/cawan"

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post Apr 21 2011, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(locke @ Apr 21 2011, 10:29 PM)
The property rise 10-20%. The Inflation is 2.4%.

These 2 sentence do not make sense together. If the property inflate by 10-20% how can the inflation be 2.4%?
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first of all, that is the official number, the actual inflation is usually higher. (by the way, last i read the inflation rate is 2.9% instead of 2.4%)

secondly, the number above is an average number - which means there are some goods (such as electronic devices) deflated while some goods (such as property) inflated. the average number is still positive, which means the goods that price has increased is way more than the goods that price has decreased.

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post Apr 21 2011, 11:56 PM

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all gomens in the world bs about inflation data. a matter of how far they go.
for klang valley, maybe more accurate in reality if we take official figure x 5!

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post Apr 22 2011, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(property101 @ Apr 21 2011, 11:17 PM)
first of all, that is the official number, the actual inflation is usually higher. (by the way, last i read the inflation rate is 2.9% instead of 2.4%)

secondly, the number above is an average number - which means there are some goods (such as electronic devices) deflated while some goods (such as property) inflated. the average number is still positive, which means the goods that price has increased is way more than the goods that price has decreased.
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Yes, quite correct.

CPI is a basket of price of goods.
Properties price is increasing but rental is not.
While rental is included in CPI number computation.
Rental is hardly increasing actually, despite property price soaring like no tomorrow.

Same with those basic subsidised item, like petrol, sugar, electricity tariff etc, which is included in CPI number.

So you have 20 items price is stagnant, while 10 items price soaring 10%. End result the number is normalised by the stagnant price, which after being sum up and average, as 3.3%.

A 3% CPI number is already quite serious considered that we have so many subsidised items that intend to surpress the pricing throughout.

A 5% CPI could mean inflation running wild already.


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post Apr 22 2011, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 22 2011, 12:24 AM)
Yes, quite correct.

CPI is a basket of price of goods.
Properties price is increasing but rental is not.
While rental is included in CPI number computation.
Rental is hardly increasing actually, despite property price soaring like no tomorrow.

Same with those basic subsidised item, like petrol, sugar, electricity tariff etc, which is included in CPI number.

So you have 20 items price is stagnant, while 10 items price soaring 10%. End result the number is normalised by the stagnant price, which after being sum up and average, as 3.3%.

A 3% CPI number is already quite serious considered that we have so many subsidised items that intend to surpress the pricing throughout.

A 5% CPI could mean inflation running wild already.
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At 5% sure running wild.
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post Apr 22 2011, 10:44 AM

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an example of 5% is china which last reported (march 2011) inflation rate is 5.4%
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post Apr 22 2011, 12:01 PM

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I seldom heard about properties price is declining. Only desperate sellers who drop the price for some reasons. Inflation index is calculated based on at least 300 control items that's the reason why the inflation rate is recorded below 5%, but in actual fact "It is not". cry.gif
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post Apr 22 2011, 12:19 PM

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Q1 have seen some fantastic sales take-up from projects launched.
now is officially Q2 and seems like mood swing in the forum have switch to negative. let's wait these 3 months to see the take up rate of :
1. m-city
2. elements
3. z-residence
4. westgate melati
5. nadayu 28
6. KM1 (this is luanch in april or march ah?)


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