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post Feb 18 2011, 08:55 PM, updated 15y ago

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The Stadium



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Architects:Francesc Mitjans Mir? and Josep Soteras Mauri

Collaboration: Lorenzo Garc?a Barb?n

Constructed :1954-1957

Official name :Estadi del FC Barcelona

Height :48 metres

Capacity:120,000(biggest stadium in Europe)

Surface area:55,000 square metres (250 metres long and 220 metres wide)

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Inauguration date: 23 September 1982

Capacity: 15,276 espectators

Pitch dimensions: 103 x 65 m.

Complementary Instalations: two training pitches

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Manager: Josep "Pep" Guardiola i Sala

Assistant manager: Tito Vilanova

Goalkeeping coach: Carles Busquets

Fitness coach: Lorenzo Buenaventura / Paco Seirul•lo / Aureli Altamira / Francesc Cos

Doctors: Ricard Pruna / Daniel Medina

Representative: Carles Naval

Podiatrist: Martín Rueda

Physiotherapists: Roger Gironès / Jaume Munill / Emili Ricart / Juanjo Brau

Scouting and Tactical Analysis: Domènec Torrent, Carles Planchart and Jordi Roura

Kit Managers: Chema Corbella / José Antonio Ibarz / Gabriel Galan

Player Liaison: Pepe Costa



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The date of the game cannot be considered definite until the kick off time (GMT+1) is given.

The date and time of games will be decided approximately ten days before.



August

SSC        Sat 14 Aug          3:1 Sevilla FC v FC Barcelona (20' Ibrahimovic)

SSC        Sat 21 Aug          4:0 FC Barcelona  v Sevilla FC (12' og Konko, 24' 42' 91' Messi)

LFP        Sun 29 Aug          0:3  Racing v FC Barcelona (2' Messi, 31' A.Iniesta, 61' David Villa)



September

LFP        Sun 12 Sep          0:2        FC Barcelona    v            Hercules           

UCL        Tue 14 Sep          5:1                  FC Barcelona    -            Panathinaikos (22' 45' Messi, 33' David Villa, 78' Pedro, 93' Dani Alves) 

LFP        Sun 19 Sep          1:2                  At.Madrid          -            FC Barcelona (13' Messi, 32' Pique)       

LFP        Wed 22 Sep          1:0 FC Barcelona - Sporting Gijón (48' David Villa)

LFP        Sun 26 Sep        1:3  Athletic Club - FC Barcelona                (55' Keita, 74' Xavi, 92' S.Busquets )

UCL        Wed 29 Sep      1:1 Rubin Kazan - FC Barcelona (60'p David Villa)



October

LFP        Sun 03 Oct          1:1  FC Barcelona - RCD Mallorca (21' Messi)

LFP        Sun 17 Oct          2:1 FC Barcelona - Valencia CF                (47' A.Iniesta, 63' Puyol)

UCL        Wed 20 Oct        2:0 FC Barcelona -    Kobenhavn (19' 92' Messi)         

LFP        Sun 24 Oct          0:2  Zaragoza            -            FC Barcelona (42' 66' Messi)           

CDR        Tue 27 Oct          0:2          Cueta  -            FC Barcelona (16' Maxwell, 25' Pedro)

LFP        Sun 31 Oct          5:0  FC Barcelona    -            Sevilla FC (4' 64' Messi, 24' 90' David Villa , 52' Dani Alves)



November

UCL        Tue 02 Nov        1:1                      Kobenhavn        -            FC Barcelona (31' Messi) 

LFP        Sun 07 Nov        1:3  Getafe CF          -            FC Barcelona (23' Messi, 35' David Villa , 65' Pedro) 

CDR        Tue 11 Nov        5:1          FC Barcelona - Cueta    (2' Nolito, 7' Bartra, 50' Pedro, 63' Bojan, 68' Messi)

LFP        Sun 14 Nov        3:1  FC Barcelona    -            Villarreal CF (22' David Villa, 58' 83' Messi)       

LFP        Sun 21 Nov        0:8  UD Almería        -            FC Barcelona (17' 37' 67' Messi,  19' Iniesta, 27'og Acasiete, 35' Pedro, 62' 73' Bojan) 

UCL        Wed 24 Nov      0:3                  Panathinaikos  -            FC Barcelona (27' 69' Pedro, 62' Messi)               

LFP        Sun 28 Nov        5:0  FC Barcelona    -            Real Madrid (10' Xavi, 18' Pedro, 55' 58' David Villa, 91' Jeffren)



December

LFP        Sun 05 Dec        0:3  Osasuna              -            FC Barcelona (26' Pedro, 65' 83'p Messi)             

UCL        Tue 07 Dec        2:0                  FC Barcelona    -            Rubin Kazan (51' Fontas, 82' Vazquez)

LFP        Sun 12 Dec        5:0  FC Barcelona    -            R.Sociedad (9' David Villa, 33' Iniesta, 47' 87' 90' Bojan)     

LFP        Sat 18 Dec        1:5 RCD Espanyol          -            FC Barcelona (19' 60' Pedro, 30' Xavi, 76' 84'David Villa)

CDR        Tue 21 Dec        0:0  FC Barcelona - Athletic Bilbao



January

LFP        Sun 02 Jan          2:1      FC Barcelona    -            Levante UD (47' 59' Pedro)         

CDR        Wed 05 Jan          1:1 Athletic Bilbao - FC Barcelona (75' Abidal) 

LFP        Sun 09 Jan          0:4      Deportivo          -            FC Barcelona (26' David Villa, 52' Messi, 80' A.Iniesta, 81' Pedro)

CDR        Wed 12 Jan          5:0 FC Barcelona              - R.Betis (44' 62' 73' Messi, 76' Pedro, 83'Keita)

LFP        Sun 16 Jan          4:1  FC Barcelona    -            Málaga CF          (8' A.Iniesta, 18' 74' David Villa, 36'Pedro)

CDR      Wed 19 Jan          1:3 R.Betis - FC Barcelona (38'Messi)

LFP        Sun 23 Jan          3:0    FC Barcelona    -            Racing (2' Pedro, 33'p Messi, 56' A.Iniesta)   

CDR        Wed 26 Jan          5:0    FC Barcelona    -            UD Almeria (9' 16' Messi, 11' David Villa, 30' Pedro, 88' Keita) 

LFP        Sun 30 Jan          0:3 Hercules            -            FC Barcelona (43' Pedro (87', 89' Messi



February

LFP        Sun 06 Feb        3:0 FC Barcelona    -            At.Madrid (17', 28', 79' Messi)         

LFP        Sun 13 Feb        1:1 Sporting Gijón  -            FC Barcelona (80' David Villa)

UCL        Thu 17 Feb          2:1 Arsenal  -            FC Barcelona (26' David Villa)

LFP        Sun 20 Feb        2:1FC Barcelona    -            Athletic Club    (4' David Villa 78' Messi) 

LFP        Sun 27 Feb        0:3 RCD Mallorca    -            FC Barcelona (38' Messi 57' David Villa 66' Pedro)



March

LFP        Wed 02 Mar      0:1 Valencia CF        -            FC Barcelona (76' Messi)

UCL        Thu 17 Feb        3:1 Barcelona - Arsenal (45+3', 71' Messi  69 Xavi)

LFP        Sun 06 Mar        1:0 FC Barcelona    -            Zaragoza (43' Keita)           

LFP        Sun 13 Mar        1:1 Sevilla FC            -            FC Barcelona (30' Bojan) 

LFP        Sun 20 Mar        2:1 FC Barcelona    -            Getafe CF (16' Dani Alves 49' Bojan)



April

LFP        Sun 03 Apr        --:--      Villarreal CF      -            FC Barcelona   

LFP        Sun 10 Apr        --:--      FC Barcelona    -            UD Almería     

LFP        Sun 17 Apr        --:--      Real Madrid      -            FC Barcelona   

LFP        Sun 24 Apr        --:--      FC Barcelona    -            Osasuna



May

LFP        Sun 01 May        --:--      R.Sociedad        -            FC Barcelona   

LFP        Sun 08 May        --:--      FC Barcelona    -            RCD Espanyol 

LFP        Wed 11 May      --:--      Levante UD      -            FC Barcelona   

LFP        Sun 15 May        --:--      FC Barcelona    -            Deportivo         

LFP        Sun 22 May        --:--      Málaga CF          -            FC Barcelona



The Scorer



Champions League

8 Messi

3 Pedro

3 David Villa

1 Dani Alves

1 Xavi

1 Fontas

1 Vazquez



La Liga

27 Messi

17 David Villa

13 Pedro

7 Iniesta

5 Bojan

3 Xavi

2 Dani Alves

2 Keita

1 Pique

1 Jeffren

1 Busquets

1 Puyol



Copa Del Rey

7 Messi

4 Pedro

2 Keita

1 Bojan

1 Nolito

1 Bartra

1 David Villa

1 Maxwell

1 Abidal



Overall

45 Messi

21 David Villa

20 Pedro

7 Iniesta

6 Bojan

4 Xavi

4 Keita

3 Dani Alves

1 Afellay

1 Adriano

1 Thiago

1 Pique

1 Jeffren

1 Busquets

1 Puyol

1 Maxwell

1 Fontas

1 Milito

1 Vazquez

1 Abidal

1 Nolito

1 Bartra

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Honour



3 Champions League

1991-92, 2005-06, 2008-09



4 European Cup Winners Cup


1978-79, 1981-82, 1988-89, 1996-97



3 Fair Play Cup

1957-58, 1959-60, 1965-66



3 European Super Cup


1992-93, 1997-98, 2009-10



20 Spanish League Championship

1928-29, 1944-45, 1947-48, 1948-49, 1951-52, 1952-53, 1958-59, 1959-60, 1973-74, 1984-85, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1993-94,1997-98, 1998-99, 2004-05, 2005-06, 2008-09, 2009-10



25 Copa del Rey

1909-10, 1911-12, 1912-13, 1919-20, 1921-22, 1924-25, 1925-26, 1927-28, 1941-42, 1950-51, 1951-52, 1952-53, 1956-57, 1958-59, 1962-63, 1967-68, 1970-71, 1977-78, 1980-81, 1982-83, 1987-88, 1989-90, 1996-97, 1997-98, 2008-09



9 Supercopa d'Espanya

1983-84, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1994-95, 1996-97, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2009-10, 2010-11



2 Copa Llatina

1982-83, 1985-86



2 Copa de la Liga

1948-49, 1951-52



22 Campionat de Catalunya

1901-1902, 1904-05, 1908-09, 1909-10, 1910-11, 1912-13, 1915-16, 1918-19, 1919-20, 1920-21, 1921-22, 1923-24, 1924-25, 1925-26, 1926-27, 1927-28, 1929-30, 1930-31, 1931-32, 1934-35, 1935-36, 1937-38



6 Copa Catalunya

1990-91, 1992-93, 1999-00, 2003-04, 2004-05, 2006-07



Record



Record attendance at the Camp Nou 120,000

120,000
people for FC Barcelona v Juventus, first leg of the European Cup quarter final (5/03/1986).



Only team to have appeared in every year of European competition

Since they first started in 1955.



Team with most Cup Winners Cup titles

4
1979, 1982, 1989 and 1997.



Team with most Fairs Cup titles

3
1958, 1960 and 1966. Also won the Grand Final in 1971 to decide who should keep the trophy outright.



Team with most Spanish Cup titles

24




Consecutive League titles

4
1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93 and 1993-94.



League with most goals scored

102
1996-97 102 goals in 42 matches.



League with fewest goals scored

32
1939-40 32 goals in 22 matches.



League with fewest goals conceded

18
1968-69 18 goals in 30 matches.



League with most goals conceded

66
1941-42 66 goals in 26 matches.



Biggest win in any competition

0-18
Macaya Cup: Tarragona 0 - FC Barcelona 18 (17-3-1901).



Biggest win a friendly match

1-20
Smilde (Holland) 1 - FC Barcelona 20 (6-8-1992)



Heaviest defeat

12-1
Athletic Club Bilbao 12 - FC Barcelona 1 (8-2-1931), in the 1930-31 Spanish league season.



Longest unbeaten run in official matches

27
games in the 1973-74 season (26 in the League and one in the UEFA Cup), from 3-10-1973 to 21-4-1974.



Longest unbeaten run in League matches

26
games, from the 6th (7-10-1973) to the 31st (21-4-1974) match in the 1973-74 season.



Longest unbeaten run at home in league matches

67
matches, From the 25th match of the 72-73 season (4-3-1973) to the 21st of the 76-77 season (20-2-1977), a total of 66 matches, of which 55 were won and 12 drawn, scoring 155 goals and conceding 37.



Longest winning run in the League

14
games, from the 8th match (22-10-2005) to the 21st (29-1-2006) in the 2005-06 Spanish league season.



Longest winning run in the League (home)

39
games, from the 22nd of the 1957-58 season (16-2-1958) to the 8th of the 1960-61 season (6-11-1960).



Longest scoring run in the League

36
games, from the ninth of the 1942-43 season (21-11-1942) to the 18th of the 1943-44 season (6-2-1944).



Longest scoring run in the League (home)

88
games, from the 22nd of the 1951-52 season (10-2-1952) to the 18th of the 57-58 season (19-1-1958).



Biggest League win (home)

10-1
FC Barcelona 10 - Gimnàstic Tarragona 1 (11/09/1949).



Biggest League win (away)

0-8
Las Palmas 0 - FC Barcelona 8 (25/10/1959).



Biggest wins in European competitions (home)

8-0
FC Barcelona 8 - 0 Apollon Limassol (Cyprus) (Cup Winners Cup. 15/09/1982); FC Barcelona 8 – Matador Púchov 0 (Slovakia) (UEFA Cup. 15/10/2003).



Biggest win in European competitions (away)

0-7
Hapoel Beer Sheva (Israel) 0 - FC Barcelona 7 (UEFA Cup. 12/09/1995).



Most consecutive wins in the European Cup/Champions League

11
In the 2002/03 season.



Longest winning run in official matches

19
games in the 2005-06 season (13 League, 3 Champions League, 2 Copa de Rey and one in the Catalan Cup) between 22-10-2005 and 22-1-2006
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OK guys, you may start posting.

Good luck to Faris21 in his training rclxms.gif rclxms.gif He's been a great TS all these years thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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no need to put my name la on tittle, really shy2 cat
so sad i will miss Barca match for 9 month, but the good news is after training i will got couple week rest before start working, since i will get everything free (food, house, uniform) during training for the whole 9 month, i decide to use my 9 month salary to visit Noucamp this December, any member want to join?
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Feb 18 2011, 09:14 PM)
no need to put my name la on tittle, really shy2 cat
so sad i will miss Barca match for 9 month, but the good news is after training i will got couple week rest before start working, since i will get everything free (food, house, uniform) during training for the whole 9 month, i decide to use my 9 month salary to visit Noucamp this December, any member want to join?
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LOL you must already be familiar with the attention la.

Going to Camp Nou, you maybe can ask myhotgary to accompany you. And make sure both of you post your pics thumbup.gif I miskin liao... cry.gif
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post Feb 19 2011, 08:54 PM

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btw ts, why i dint c affelay name as player n scorer? he did scored against almeria on copa dey ray match right.
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QUOTE(uzary @ Feb 19 2011, 08:54 PM)
btw ts, why i dint c affelay name as player n scorer? he did scored against almeria on copa dey ray match right.
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Longest winning run in the League

14 games, from the 8th match (22-10-2005) to the 21st (29-1-2006) in the 2005-06 Spanish league season.

I think u should edit this.
It 16 the new record. Spanish league record sumore. rclxm9.gif
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bro matyr sure must be thinking : why the hell when faris did it, nobody pointed out the mistakes while when i do exactly the same, people start pointing them out... tongue.gif kidding

btw, good luck bro faris. Look forward to having an inspektor in our thread 9 months later.
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posting in the first page tongue.gif im liverpool fan btw laugh.gif

btw, good luck for the next match against arsenal on next month wink.gif hopefully the proceeding match will regain back the confidence and strike them back in camp nou flex.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(myhotgary2 @ Feb 20 2011, 09:00 AM)
bro matyr sure must be thinking : why the hell when faris did it, nobody pointed out the mistakes while when i do exactly the same, people start pointing them out... tongue.gif kidding

btw, good luck bro faris. Look forward to having an inspektor in our thread 9 months later.
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Because faris is the taiko maa..if we critic him he will call Boixos Nois gangsters and beat us up..

me just noob only cry.gif cry.gif

QUOTE(fwhoam @ Feb 20 2011, 01:49 AM)
Longest winning run in the League

14 games, from the 8th match (22-10-2005) to the 21st (29-1-2006) in the 2005-06 Spanish league season.

I think u should edit this.
It 16 the new record. Spanish league record sumore. rclxm9.gif
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thumbup.gif thumbup.gif I'm going to do a lot of editing in record section as long as Pep continues as the coach. This team is breaking records into finely shredded pieces notworthy.gif

QUOTE(azerroes @ Feb 20 2011, 09:15 AM)
btw, good luck for the next match against arsenal on next month wink.gif hopefully the proceeding match will regain back the confidence and strike them back in camp nou flex.gif laugh.gif
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Keeping our players at their highest level of concentration is exactly Pep's specialty. I'm sure we'll bounce back. Furthermore, Puyol is set to return for 2nd leg.

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Btw,where is the best place to watch barcelona highlights? I find some videos in footytube cannot be watched.

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is it confirm our capitan, puyol is available for 2nd leg?by the way,TS,update la game pg ni pukul brape..(put more pressure for our new TS.hahahaha)
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VV maybe out, he injured, bad news, hope he recover ASAP
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FCB - Ath. Bilbao
Half-time 1-0
Villa scored on 4th min.


Added on February 21, 2011, 6:01 amFull-time result:
FCB - ATH (2-1)
Villa 4'
Iraola 50' (p)
Messi 78'

These two goals came from Xavi > Alves > Villa & Messi.
And unfortunately for Sergio, ATH managed to get penalty kick.

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really suspend.. after a draw it gijon, lose to arsenal, we really need this win to boost our moral.. we deserved this win.

now it seems more n more teams playing parking the bus against us.. really annoying..
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QUOTE(neohardcore @ Feb 20 2011, 07:33 PM)
is it confirm our capitan, puyol is available for 2nd leg?by the way,TS,update la game pg ni pukul brape..(put more pressure for our new TS.hahahaha)
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QUOTE(uzary @ Feb 21 2011, 06:08 AM)
now it seems more n more teams playing parking the bus against us.. really annoying..
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At this rate, if our team fail to beat teams that play like that, I don't really know whether to say our team was playing bad or not.

Like against Athletic, I think we played really well. It was just that the opponents are so negative, that it is very not football.

If we drew, you'll see the match poll in footytube showing more than half of voters would have voted rubbish/average for Barca, while Messi would have got hundreds of thumbdowns if his rating is more than 6.5. But I really believe we played well.

The same accusation were thrown to La Furia Roja being boring during WC. I think they played well, but each opponent they faced were very negative, either with bus-parking tactics or used some kungfu kicks. It is really annoying indeed.
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perhaps its a 'new trend' for nowadays football when facing an attacking team style..if both side parking a bus,then who's going to play the game?? hmm.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(mrkenn @ Feb 20 2011, 11:20 AM)
Btw,where is the best place to watch barcelona highlights? I find some videos in footytube cannot be watched.
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you're out of luck.
last year there was a guy who uploads a lot of barca matches on youtube.
too bad he's been taken down.


Added on February 21, 2011, 11:39 pm
QUOTE(uzary @ Feb 21 2011, 06:08 AM)
really suspend.. after a draw it gijon, lose to arsenal, we really need this win to boost our moral.. we deserved this win.

now it seems more n more teams playing parking the bus against us.. really annoying..
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that has been the case since the start of last season.
other teams noticed how we steam rolled past every team in 08/09 and took notice.
we are better in handling the bus this season i think.
more movements=more chances


Added on February 21, 2011, 11:42 pm

On the last match.
How was that not a foul on Messi after slaloming past 6 players?
It was not jsut any tackle, it was a hard tackle.
High and dangerous.
If Messi went on and scored a goal, it will most probably be the contender for goal of the year.

Im still bummed that his goal against Zaragoza(away) wasn't voted by FIfa. Instead, the goal Valencia was voted. And they should have included the 4 goals against Arsenal as well as it was something special.


I really don't like the new rumors regarding Wilshere.
I dont know who started it but its going to give us a bad name once again in ENgland.
Im sure it was the press who kick started it.
Last summer, a lot of FAKE news and interviews came out from England.
We dont need anymore bad publicity.
I know that sometimes bad publicity is good but this is definitely not a good one.


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me just noob only cry.gif  cry.gif
thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif I'm going to do a lot of editing in  record section as long as Pep continues as the coach. This team is breaking records into finely shredded pieces notworthy.gif

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you damn right you will have a lot of editing to do!
there was this period of time a few weeks back where in every match there was some kind of record to be broken.
crazy crazy.

why don't you put up some special stats after every match.
like against Bilbao(on Astro it said BiLbOA) Pinto had more passes than the entire Bilbao team except for 3 players.
How crazy is that? A GK?
And Xavi had more passes that the whole team combined if im not mistaken


Added on February 22, 2011, 9:06 amArsenal are at it again.
Jon Miquel Toral will join Arsenal in the summer. Barcelona will receive a transfer fee of 350.000 euros. He is 16 years old.
Good thing is that there is actually a deal with the club.
And the better part is that a more promising youngster whom I've watched a few times on Barca TV already, Sergi Samper, rejected Arsenal.



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QUOTE(barca96 @ Feb 21 2011, 11:36 PM)
I really don't like the new rumors regarding Wilshere.
I dont know who started it but its going to give us a bad name once again in ENgland.
Im sure it was the press who kick started it.
Last summer, a lot of FAKE news and interviews came out from England.
We dont need anymore bad publicity.
I know that sometimes bad publicity is good but this is definitely not a good one.


The number of their supposedly quotes attributed to Barca players about Cesc make you wonder, how the hell those English press could gain such access to our players? The Sun, Daily Star, etc etc. Xavi in recent interview with Sid Lowe said that he had hardly said anything back then! Sure he said it once or twice, but not THAT frequently.

Just as I thought smile.gif

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Jon Miquel Toral will join Arsenal in the summer. Barcelona will receive a transfer fee of 350.000 euros. He is 16 years old.
Good thing is that there is actually a deal with the club.
And the better part is that a more promising youngster whom I've watched a few times on Barca TV already, Sergi Samper, rejected Arsenal.
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And The Sun reported (exclusively of course laugh.gif ) that Rosell have confronted Arsenal chairmen during recent visit. Yeah, IIRC it was Rosell who Laporta entrusted to handle contract renewal in 2003, coincidentally at the same time when Cesc left. So maybe Rosell has already been hurt since then? laugh.gif

This time Arsenal had to pay us though. Because after Cesc left, we started practicing some kinda agreement with our youngster. I don't know what the agreement is all about, but that agreement forced Arsenal to pay us in millions for Merida case. So yeah I think we should have no problem with this deal.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Feb 22 2011, 11:18 AM)
And The Sun reported (exclusively of course laugh.gif ) that Rosell have confronted Arsenal chairmen during recent visit. Yeah, IIRC it was Rosell who Laporta entrusted to handle contract renewal in 2003, coincidentally at the same time when Cesc left. So maybe Rosell has already been hurt since then? laugh.gif

This time Arsenal had to pay us though. Because after Cesc left, we started practicing some kinda agreement with our youngster. I don't know what the agreement is all about, but that agreement forced Arsenal to pay us in millions for Merida case. So yeah I think we should have no problem with this deal.
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The Sun is a shite publication, of course. I won't even wipe my arse with it.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/the-sun-get-t...-starlet/84717/

As for the Merida case, it wasn't Arsenal that was hit with the bill, but Merida. In moving, Merida was considered to be in breach of his personal agreement but not the buying club. The agreements some Barca players sign are effectively binding contracts without pay, so they're not professional yet but are tied down with obligations. This, in a sense, is a legal workaround from the professional contract minimum age which means that Barca can circumvent those restrictions.

http://younggunsblog.co.uk/2011/02/arsenal...rcelonas-toral/

There is a claim that the money for Toral Harper is training allowance, but if I'm honest, unless the clubs themselves put up an official press release, I won't want to speculate as to what the deal actually was and I doubt we will ever really know (unless he turns out to be a massive superstar as well, after which we'll get a torrent of speculation to sift through).
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QUOTE(minority @ Feb 22 2011, 07:10 PM)
The Sun is a shite publication, of course. I won't even wipe my arse with it.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/the-sun-get-t...-starlet/84717/


I found the story about Rosell confronting Arsenal people in The Sun website. When I looked at Toral's pics, I was like.....Isn't that SERGI SAMPER!! Really failed journalism laugh.gif

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As for the Merida case, it wasn't Arsenal that was hit with the bill, but Merida. In moving, Merida was considered to be in breach of his personal agreement but not the buying club. The agreements some Barca players sign are effectively binding contracts without pay, so they're not professional yet but are tied down with obligations. This, in a sense, is a legal workaround from the professional contract minimum age which means that Barca can circumvent those restrictions.


Thanks for sharing. Yes in a way this is the measure to protect our interest. Too bad we didn't do it with Cesc and Pique.

Hmm, how the hell did Arsenal scouts miss out on Messi? hmm.gif

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http://younggunsblog.co.uk/2011/02/arsenal...rcelonas-toral/

There is a claim that the money for Toral Harper is training allowance, but if I'm honest, unless the clubs themselves put up an official press release, I won't want to speculate as to what the deal actually was and I doubt we will ever really know (unless he turns out to be a massive superstar as well, after which we'll get a torrent of speculation to sift through).
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To be honest, I haven't heard much of this Toral kid too. In Cadete A team (Toral's batch) the most outstanding names are Pol Ballesté and Sergi Samper. So if one day Toral becomes world class, and Barca fans create noises like what we are doing now, you can accuse us for not seeing his potential earlier. Moreover if Arsenal really pay 350K Euros.

But no, Toral's story is not the same like Cesc case. Not at all.

I just found a Arsenal blog which covered the Cesc situation back in 2003. It didn't provide full story, but at least it provided quotes from El Pais and one of Cesc' national youth coach and some of Barca's efforts to stop Arsenal. I'll compile it later smile.gif
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Feb 22 2011, 08:09 PM)
Hmm, how the hell did Arsenal scouts miss out on Messi? hmm.gif

http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?thearti...201102148425574

There's a retrospective story for everything biggrin.gif

QUOTE(matyrze @ Feb 22 2011, 08:09 PM)
To be honest, I haven't heard much of this Toral kid too. In Cadete A team (Toral's batch) the most outstanding names are Pol Ballesté and Sergi Samper. So if one day Toral becomes world class, and Barca fans create noises like what we are doing now, you can accuse us for not seeing his potential earlier. Moreover if Arsenal really pay 350K Euros.


Very out of the blue. The other names you've mentioned I've heard of before but not Toral.

QUOTE(matyrze @ Feb 22 2011, 08:09 PM)
I just found a Arsenal blog which covered the Cesc situation back in 2003. It didn't provide full story, but at least it provided quotes from El Pais and one of Cesc' national youth coach and some of Barca's efforts to stop Arsenal. I'll compile it later smile.gif
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Will be looking forward to as well, but I will still maintain that whatever they did was not enough biggrin.gif

Check out my first link above as well, with quotes from Carles Rexach who talked about the brick wall blocking junior players that Cesc would've seen at the time. When Arsenal was promising a lot of first team appearances, it's hard to compete. I doubt Cesc would have had played nearly as many games as he did in Arsenal when he was 18.
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QUOTE(minority @ Feb 22 2011, 09:09 PM)
When Arsenal was promising a lot of first team appearances, it's hard to compete. I doubt Cesc would have had played nearly as many games as he did in Arsenal when he was 18.
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was going to say that in the arsenal thread but by just saying that arsenal signed another youngster from us they already were pmsing,
let them be. they will never think straight and talk like an adult. not just here.
other online fans as well. they are so sensitive.


Added on February 22, 2011, 10:59 pmArsenal will pay Barcelona Cadete A player Toral a salary that is 35 times more than what Barcelona offered.
Hahha. For sure the Arsenal fans will find a way to make it look good for them.

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http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...n-toral?cc=4716

Its official..
Btw who is this toral?
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I found a rotting Arsenal-related blog called Arseweb. Apparently the last update was in the middle of 2007. So this is my collection:

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


So what can we conclude from this set of articles. I'll make mine, based on my interpretation smile.gif (remember these texts were dated back in 2003).

1) Barca did value Cesc. It was just that at the age of 16 all Barca could offer was sweet talks. Nothing more. He was too young to be thrown into Lion's den (Camp Nou). But Barca did try to find loopholes that favours them to halt the transfer. We had intended to keep him.

2) Did Cesc make his name in Arsenal? As a world class footballer, yes. But as a hugely potential kid? No, it was with Barca. Did Arsenal really made him a playmeker like bro Nos pointed out? No, he has already been seen as another Guardiola-esque player even while training with Barca. And as Melendez pointed out, he had this maturity that belied his age. Was that Arsenal's, or Barca's work?

3) This Barca DNA thingy has started waaay before Laporta's endless rants. Again, these texts are in 2003 smile.gif

What these articles can't proof:

1) There's no guarantee that Barca could groom him into world class player...

but...

there's no way to indicate Barca couldn't make Cesc a great player either. Sure with Arsenal Cesc at 18 he has got many games under his belt. But is that the only way to make a youngster better? Xavi played regularly when Guardiola was hit by injury nightmare. He was 19. Iniesta played integral part in the first team when he turned 20. Pedro and Busquets rose to fame when they're past 20. Cesc could become great player by following similar path too.

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QUOTE(minority @ Feb 22 2011, 09:09 PM)
Check out my first link above as well, with quotes from Carles Rexach who talked about the brick wall blocking junior players that Cesc would've seen at the time. When Arsenal was promising a lot of first team appearances, it's hard to compete. I doubt Cesc would have had played nearly as many games as he did in Arsenal when he was 18.
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Charly Rexach only pointed out fears of our youngsters, but not our commitment to groom them. AFAIR, we promoted youngsters nearly every single season. These Dutch people he was talking about, Rijkaard promoted Messi, Oleguer and Thiago Motta, Van Gaal promoted Gabri Garcia, Xavi, and Puyol. Another foreigner, Radomir Antic, promoted Oscar Lopez and Valdes, the latter was given plenty of chance, although he was very wobbly and nervous. So actually where was this brick wall exactly?

So it makes you wonder, did The Mail fabricated the interview too? laugh.gif OK, maybe I'm not playing fair here tongue.gif
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Great work Mat.
You should post those excerpts on the Arsenal thread.haha

I read another piece last year where there was a story how Cesc, Pique and Messi crushed every opponent at their youth leagues, how close they were etc.
Unfortunately, that piece is saved in my Australian house.sigh

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QUOTE(barca96 @ Feb 23 2011, 11:27 AM)
You should post those excerpts on the Arsenal thread.haha
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Oh thx. rclxms.gif Nah I'd just keep this in here. I don't want to be accused of trolling. Its a sin here in the internet.


Added on February 23, 2011, 12:07 pmOh and to minority, I would like to add. If you're going to stand by your argument that Barca didn't do enough, just by judging the final outcome, you have to know that you are oversimplifying the situation. You just take the easiest route for your case, but in actuality you couldn't even give any evidence showing 'Barca didn't do enough'.

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Nah I was just kidding about the posting in Arsenal thread.
the other I posted a news, adn they went mad already.
i dont really go into other team's threads and im not so old in lowyat so i didnt know there was such a great E-rivalry here. lol

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Xavi's down and out.
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I hope our starting midfield would be
Iniesta-Keita-Busi
when we need to be conservative 50/50

Iniesta-Busi-Masch when we need to be defensive

Iniesta-Affelay-Busi when attack minded
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Feb 23 2011, 11:14 AM)
1) Barca did value Cesc. It was just that at the age of 16 all Barca could offer was sweet talks. Nothing more. He was too young to be thrown into Lion's den (Camp Nou). But Barca did try to find loopholes that favours them to halt the transfer. We had intended to keep him.


I agree. I've never said otherwise. Barca wanted to keep him (but how much they wanted to keep him is another matter).

QUOTE(matyrze @ Feb 23 2011, 11:14 AM)
2) Did Cesc make his name in Arsenal? As a world class footballer, yes. But as a hugely potential kid? No, it was with Barca. Did Arsenal really made him a playmeker like bro Nos pointed out? No, he has already been seen as another Guardiola-esque player even while training with Barca. And as Melendez pointed out, he had this maturity that belied his age. Was that Arsenal's, or Barca's work?


Oversimplified. Every year, I read up on dozens upon dozens of hugely potential kids. Some of these names are now in the Football League or Segunda Division.

If you follow youth development long enough you would realise that no matter how big the potential, every year of a player's life is vital for his development. Slip up for even one year and you would end up a mediocre player at best, a non-pro at worst (the vast majority don't turn pro, instead going into other careers). The years (nearly 7 years now) spent at Arsenal are just as important as the years spent at Arsenal.

You might argue that, seeing as that he would not have gotten as much game time at Barcelona than he would at Arsenal, Cesc Fabregas would not be good as he is today if he had stayed in Barcelona.

QUOTE(matyrze @ Feb 23 2011, 11:14 AM)
3) This Barca DNA thingy has started waaay before Laporta's endless rants. Again, these texts are in 2003 smile.gif

Never cared about this 'DNA' arbitrary bullshit.

QUOTE(matyrze @ Feb 23 2011, 11:14 AM)
1) There's no guarantee that Barca could groom him into world class player...


Agreed. Never said otherwise.

But Cesc obviously thought that getting vastly more gametime was a good thing for him.

QUOTE(matyrze @ Feb 23 2011, 11:14 AM)
there's no way to indicate Barca couldn't make Cesc a great player either. Sure with Arsenal Cesc at 18 he has got many games under his belt. But is that the only way to make a youngster better? Xavi played regularly when Guardiola was hit by injury nightmare. He was 19. Iniesta played integral part in the first team when he turned 20. Pedro and Busquets rose to fame when they're past 20. Cesc could become great player by following similar path too.


I agree again, but when you're 16 and you're driven, you want every opportunity you can get. World-class players who become a first-teamer fully only in the 20s are very rare. Would you take the gamble and pray that despite not getting much game time before you turn 20, you could eventually bloom in your 20s? That's a big risk to take. I would rather get my developmental opportunities in my teens, rather than take the risk and hoping I get game time in my 20s.

QUOTE(matyrze @ Feb 23 2011, 11:14 AM)
Charly Rexach only pointed out fears of our youngsters, but not our commitment to groom them. AFAIR, we promoted youngsters nearly every single season. These Dutch people he was talking about, Rijkaard promoted Messi, Oleguer and Thiago Motta, Van Gaal promoted Gabri Garcia, Xavi, and Puyol. Another foreigner, Radomir Antic, promoted Oscar Lopez and Valdes, the latter was given plenty of chance, although he was very wobbly and nervous. So actually where was this brick wall exactly?


How many players come through La Masia every year? How many get lots of runs out?

It's not whether any players are promoted or not, is what are the chances of getting promoted. The statistics are simple, let me explain:

Say Barca promotes 5 youth players, but in their batch there were 40 players. That's a 5/40 (12.5%) chance

Say Arsenal promotes 3 youth players, but in their batch there were 10 players. That's a 3/10 (30%) chance.

And that was pretty much the situation as Cesc saw it. Wenger practically guaranteed him first-team opportunities and fulfilled that by making him a first-team player by 18. He saw much, much less chances in Barca.

Take into account more lenient Spanish laws that allow Barca to hoard more youth players and thus increasing competition and you can begin to understand where they're coming from.

Commitment must be followed by actions and the fact is, at the time, there was a ceiling that was quite hard to penetrate due to massive competition.

QUOTE(matyrze @ Feb 23 2011, 11:14 AM)
So it makes you wonder, did The Mail fabricated the interview too? laugh.gif OK, maybe I'm not playing fair here tongue.gif
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Feb 23 2011, 11:44 AM)
Oh and to minority, I would like to add. If you're going to stand by your argument that Barca didn't do enough, just by judging the final outcome, you have to know that you are oversimplifying the situation. You just take the easiest route for your case, but in actuality you couldn't even give any evidence showing 'Barca didn't do enough'.
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I don't wish to be pedantic, but Cesc not staying in Barcelona IS evidence that "enough" wasn't done.

Ponder on this statement:

"Barcelona did enough to convince Cesc to stay. Cesc did not stay"

Are those two sentences not contradictory? Of course they are, because if Barce did enough, Cesc would stay.

Put it this way, if I get enough points in my exam, I will get an A, if I don't get enough points, I won't get an A. Barca didn't do enough to convince Cesc, he didn't stay. That is the evidence.

You can keep arguing that Barca did "enough", but Cesc left.

QUOTE(barca96 @ Feb 23 2011, 04:04 PM)
Nah I was just kidding about the posting in Arsenal thread.
the other I posted a news, adn they went mad already.
i dont really go into other team's threads and im not so old in lowyat so i didnt know there was such a great E-rivalry here. lol
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Again, reread your post. It was provocative. You don't write provocative stuff and not expect people to be provoked, do you?

Don't act all innocent without self-reflection.

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QUOTE(minority @ Feb 23 2011, 06:55 PM)
I agree. I've never said otherwise. Barca wanted to keep him (but how much they wanted to keep him is another matter).


You can never prove this can you?

You have to show what options Barca had, and which options Barca didn't take.

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Oversimplified. Every year, I read up on dozens upon dozens of hugely potential kids. Some of these names are now in the Football League or Segunda Division.

If you follow youth development long enough you would realise that no matter how big the potential, every year of a player's life is vital for his development. Slip up for even one year and you would end up a mediocre player at best, a non-pro at worst (the vast majority don't turn pro, instead going into other careers). The years (nearly 7 years now) spent at Arsenal are just as important as the years spent at Arsenal.


You meant "The years spent at Arsenal are just as important as the years spent at Barcelona"?

I didn't deny this. I just said that with Barca, Cesc already showed his potential, and his potential hardly went unnoticed.

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You might argue that, seeing as that he would not have gotten as much game time at Barcelona than he would at Arsenal, Cesc Fabregas would not be good as he is today if he had stayed in Barcelona.


Now how can you be bold enough to say that? I couldn't see, by debuting with the first team late, we would slow down his progress. Our experience with our youngster have been contrary to this popular believe. Grooming a young player is not all about promoting him early.

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Never cared about this 'DNA' arbitrary bullshit.


Well for that line I replied to your believe that we just create the noise after Cesc found his fame.

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Agreed. Never said otherwise.

But Cesc obviously thought that getting vastly more gametime was a good thing for him.
I agree again, but when you're 16 and you're driven, you want every opportunity you can get. World-class players who become a first-teamer fully only in the 20s are very rare. Would you take the gamble and pray that despite not getting much game time before you turn 20, you could eventually bloom in your 20s? That's a big risk to take. I would rather get my developmental opportunities in my teens, rather than take the risk and hoping I get game time in my 20s.
How many players come through La Masia every year? How many get lots of runs out?

It's not whether any players are promoted or not, is what are the chances of getting promoted. The statistics are simple, let me explain:

Say Barca promotes 5 youth players, but in their batch there were 40 players. That's a 5/40 (12.5%) chance

Say Arsenal promotes 3 youth players, but in their batch there were 10 players. That's a 3/10 (30%) chance.

And that was pretty much the situation as Cesc saw it. Wenger practically guaranteed him first-team opportunities and fulfilled that by making him a first-team player by 18. He saw much, much less chances in Barca.


All this prove that we had no capacity to groom Cesc? All this prove we have no intention as big as Arsene?

Cesc was definitely on top of the pile, in our youth system. That's obvious. If we think its the right time to promote somebody from La Masia, it would be him, since he was on top of the pile.

On the bold part, well I've given examples of Barca's experience with our playmaker. Iniesta and Xavi made it a bit later than Cesc did. They are world class, no? To add, Guardiola also was active in Cruyff's Dream Team when he was 20.

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Take into account more lenient Spanish laws that allow Barca to hoard more youth players and thus increasing competition and you can begin to understand where they're coming from.

Commitment must be followed by actions and the fact is, at the time, there was a ceiling that was quite hard to penetrate due to massive competition.


How could we give a debut to 16 year old kid? How could we show our act, when Arsenal poached him away so much earlier than we intended? The moment we thought of promoting him, he's gone.

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I don't wish to be pedantic, but Cesc not staying in Barcelona IS evidence that "enough" wasn't done.

Ponder on this statement:

"Barcelona did enough to convince Cesc to stay. Cesc did not stay"

Are those two sentences not contradictory? Of course they are, because if Barce did enough, Cesc would stay.

Put it this way, if I get enough points in my exam, I will get an A, if I don't get enough points, I won't get an A. Barca didn't do enough to convince Cesc, he didn't stay. That is the evidence.

You can keep arguing that Barca did "enough", but Cesc left.
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Arsenal offered the professional contract, while we couldn't.

We can promise him first team football, but that was just sweet promise. In reality he had to wait more than a year for his first professional contract.

We encountered the dead end mate. And Arsenal exploited it.

Oh, I think you said it in one of your posts that Arsenal have good relationship with the French about this poaching issue, I got this from the first post of Arseweb:

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It's a loophole which Arsenal have certainly been accused of over-exploiting in the past (especially by French clubs).


You know, this is in 2003. I think you've missed more than you'd probably realized smile.gif


Added on February 23, 2011, 11:12 pmTotalbarca have translated an article in light of Toral's transfer. The highlight of the article:

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The only way to avoid the migration of a canterano is by offering him a sum of money to offset any offer, but the amounts put up by many English clubs are just preposterous that the club is just not prepared to match. Barca canteranos earns a small €250 per year allowance, and the first [non-binding youth] contract they sign when they reach 16 entitles them the customary €10,000 per year salary, some 25 to 35 times lower than what they would get at Arsenal. In cases such as these, Barca chooses to try to plead with them to think of their connection with the club or they just have to let the boy leave.

Read more: http://www.totalbarca.com/2011/analysis/an.../#ixzz1EnLwwRUE
The English offered to much money that Barca couldn't compete. Not because barca is stingy or anything, but because Barca only could offer youth scholarship, while Arsenal offered professional contract. Wage structure comed in mind.

This is an advantage for English side.

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QUOTE(minority @ Feb 23 2011, 06:55 PM)

Again, reread your post. It was provocative. You don't write provocative stuff and not expect people to be provoked, do you?

Don't act all innocent without self-reflection.
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I like reading your comments btw.
You're a cool headed guy.

Now, my reply to your reply smile.gif

This was my post;

1)You guys just love signing Barca kids don't you?
16year old Jon Miquel Toral.
2)Thank God Sergi Samper rejected your offer.
3)But Im pretty sure it won't be the last time that you guys will come after him.

1) Isn't it true that Wenger and Arsenal scouts love to try and sign Barca youth players?
2) Fact. He prefers to stay here. Im happy with that. Is it wrong for me to be happy?
3) Sergi is one of the brightest, I've seen him play a few times on Barca Tv( yes, in SG we had Barca TV)

I don't see anything provocative in my post there.
Im not like that.
If one day you see my name in some other site's anywhere online, you can check it yourself. I have been using this nick name for years.

If I really was mad at the move, I would've said
1) you guys love to poach our kids, don't you?
2) thank god he rejected cause he cant win trophies there.
You know, Im sure there are fans like that, many in fact but that's not how I roll.
Not in real life nor in e-life lol

I didn't know why most of them got so defensive.
All I wanted to do was post a news since nobody posted it yet( I checked the posts first and nobody mentioned it).
Perhaps it was partly my fault.
Maybe there was a history between Barca and Arsenal fans here that Im not aware of since Im new but I did mention this after wards;

"Im just giving you guys the latest news.
In fact, in the Barca thread, I actually wrote that you guys actually PAID us so it's not illegal. I jsut forgot to mention it here."

Which I did, mentioning the price. If I wanted to provoke, I wouldnt mention anything about a payment.
For a payment to happen, an agreement has to be reached between two parties( Arsenal and Barca).
So if I hide that FACT, I would trying to stir things up by making it look like Arsenal made an immoral deal.
But once again, thats not me.

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QUOTE(matyrze @ Feb 23 2011, 10:51 PM)
Totalbarca have translated an article in light of Toral's transfer. The highlight of the article:
The English offered to much money that Barca couldn't compete. Not because barca is stingy or anything, but because Barca only could offer youth scholarship, while Arsenal offered professional contract. Wage structure comed in mind.

This is an advantage for English side.
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I will reply in full in the future (work has becoming less boring now) but it must first be said that Toral would not have a pro contract now: he's too young to be offerred one, even in England. You yourself know that he has to wait until his 17th birthday.

So IF it's true that he was "offerred" a pro contract, it would only be promissory, as in Arsenal promises to give him one on his 17th birthday.

Barcelona can do the same! They can promise a contract at 18 and they have one big advantage over Arsenal: they are vastly richer. Barca's wage bill is more than 60% higher than Arsenal's and their revenue outstrips Arsenal's by more than a third. When post-tax income is taken, Spain's more favourable tax rates mean that the big two of La Liga come out much brighter than English clubs.

The comparison made on the blog is false: it's not Arsenal's pro wage vs. Barca's scholarship because Arsenal cannot give a pro contract just yet either.

Secondly, of course, is again, Barca can invite kids from all over the world to stay in La Masia. Arsenal can only recruit under-16s within 90 minute travel time of their training ground. Had this not been the case, they would probably copy La Masia a lot more and start recruiting kids when they are 10, 11 or 12. So Barca has the advantage of getting a hold of vastly more youth prospects and imbibing a sense of loyalty.

Thirdly, as said, one year's wages does not make much of a difference. If a player is attracted by Arsenal paying them one year more of wages (much of which will be taxed at 50%!), then he is financially very short-sighted. And considering that most players now will have good advice from their agents, it's unlikely that they will not be able to discern which deal is more financially viable.

Overall, English clubs might have a financial advantage over La Liga clubs. But when looked at specifically, Barcelona does not suffer this disadvantage, being the club with the second highest revenue in the world. Have you heard of Blackburn Rovers poaching a La Masia kid?

In conclusion, taking into accound Barca's income and Spain's favourable tax environment, getting a Barca contract at 18 is financially the same or better with getting an Arsenal contract at 17.

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Well said minority. As I mentioned earlier, it takes two to tango. One cannot accuse another club of "poaching' (this refers to ALL clubs btw) if the PLAYER HIMSELF also wants to transfer.

If Nasri suddenly want to transfer to Barca, Arsenal also cannot say that Barca poached him, because his contract his running out, and maybe he prefer to play in Spain. They would simply have to swallow and accept it.
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barca kids love arsenal.
dont they?

its toral own decision , he want to join arsenal.. nobody force him to join arsenal..

oh well.. maybe later he become a player as good or more then fabregas..
barca can take him back with a price maybe 60m?

LOL..

if u want to blame someone, just blame barca club itself coz not to offer him a very good offer that will make toral stay at barca..
no need to say arsenal is stealing or whatever
its ur own fault... not arsenal.

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QUOTE(joe405 @ Feb 25 2011, 12:07 AM)
barca kids love arsenal.
dont they?

its toral own decision , he want to join arsenal.. nobody force him to join arsenal..

oh well.. maybe later he become a player as good or more then fabregas..
barca can take him back with a price maybe 60m?

LOL..

if u want to blame someone, just blame barca club itself coz not to offer him a very good offer that will make toral stay at barca..
no need to say arsenal is stealing or whatever
its ur own fault... not arsenal.
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Like I said earlier, Arsenal paid us money so I don't mind it.
But I just wanna tell you that you are missing some points here.

Barca can't offer him a contract as it's not allowed to offer an under 18 kid a pro contract.
Even the salary is fixed, everywhere in SPain.
Arsenal or any other club can offer any kid in Spain a much higher wage because it is allowed there, I believe when they hit 17 as the very
informative nobody mentioned earlier.
The only thing that Barca can do is make promises. Thats it.
But who would gamble their future on promises alone right?
And Wenger promised the kid that he will be promoted in 2012.
Now which 16 year old kid would reject that offer?
Just put your self in his shoes.
I sure wouldn't...


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QUOTE(jwrx @ Feb 25 2011, 12:06 AM)
Well said minority. As I mentioned earlier, it takes two to tango. One cannot accuse another club of "poaching' (this refers to ALL clubs btw) if the PLAYER HIMSELF also wants to transfer.

If Nasri suddenly want to transfer to Barca, Arsenal also cannot say that Barca poached him, because his contract his running out, and maybe he prefer to play in Spain. They would simply have to swallow and accept it.
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I think that you don't really understand what poaching means.
Poaching is when a club(A) wants to sign a player from club B.
By right, club A should contact club B on his availability first and if they are fine with it, an offer is made club A.
BUt poaching style is when club A contact the player from club B directly, behind his club(B) knowing it.

In your Nasri case, if his contract is running out, he is free to talk to other clubs when there is ONE year remaining left.
Or he is free to talk to other clubs if Arsenal wants to let him go at any given time.


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Secondly, of course, is again, Barca can invite kids from all over the world to stay in La Masia. Arsenal can only recruit under-16s within 90 minute travel time of their training ground. Had this not been the case, they would probably copy La Masia a lot more and start recruiting kids when they are 10, 11 or 12. So Barca has the advantage of getting a hold of vastly more youth prospects and imbibing a sense of loyalty.

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No wonder they only sign foreign players that are over 16.
That explains it.
It's quite a good rule but not enough IMO to stop English teams from buying imports all the time
until there are no spaces left for the ENglish kids

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QUOTE(barca96 @ Feb 25 2011, 12:57 AM)
No wonder they only sign foreign players that are over 16.
That explains it.
It's quite a good rule but not enough IMO to stop English teams from buying imports all the time
until there are no spaces left for the ENglish kids
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No wonder not anyone of english player actually get nominated for ballon d'or this year. shocking.gif

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QUOTE(barca96 @ Feb 25 2011, 12:57 AM)
But who would gamble their future on promises alone right?
And Wenger promised the kid that he will be promoted in 2012.

Now which 16 year old kid would reject that offer?
Bolded sentences are contradictory.

Does that mean Wenger's promises are somehow more trustworthy and can be gambled on?

A 16-year-old kid moving to Arsenal is also gambling on a promise that he'll get a pro contract when he hits 17, so not much difference.

Also, it's not a big gamble that you think it is. If you don't get a pro contract from Barca when you're 18, there's a high chance you can get a pro contract elsewhere anyway. So why not try in Barca first and then if you fail, head over to the English Premier League? Or even other La Liga teams or a number of Eastern European big clubs who would gladly pay a lot of money for a former Barca youth who played with them until 18?

Even if you accept a promise from an English club, there's no guarantee that they'll keep you, so it's a gamble too.

So, no, it's not a gamble at all to stay in Barca and that is not a valid argument of unfair advantage.
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Feb 25 2011, 12:57 AM)
Like I said earlier, Arsenal paid us money so I don't mind it.
But I just wanna tell you that you are missing some points here.

Barca can't offer him a contract as it's not allowed to offer an under 18 kid a pro contract.
Even the salary is fixed, everywhere in SPain.
Arsenal or any other club can offer any kid in Spain a much higher wage because it is allowed there, I believe when they hit 17 as the very
informative nobody mentioned earlier.
The only thing that Barca can do is make promises. Thats it.
But who would gamble their future on promises alone right?
And Wenger promised the kid that he will be promoted in 2012.
Now which 16 year old kid would reject that offer?
Just put your self in his shoes.
I sure wouldn't...

You are missing some points here too, Arsenal approached 2 barca youth players Jon Toral and Sergi Samper.

Sergi Samper chose to stay after listening to what Barca promised and offered him for the future, Jon Toral chose to leave because he think Arsenal is more suitable for his future, so here you cannot blame Arsenal, Barca could have persuaded Toral to stay.
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In your Nasri case, if his contract is running out, he is free to talk to other clubs when there is ONE year remaining left.
Or he is free to talk to other clubs if Arsenal wants to let him go at any given time.
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QUOTE(mengdez @ Feb 25 2011, 07:59 AM)
You are missing some points here too, Arsenal approached 2 barca youth players Jon Toral and Sergi Samper.

Sergi Samper chose to stay after listening to what Barca promised and offered him for the future, Jon Toral chose to leave because he think Arsenal is more suitable for his future, so here you cannot blame Arsenal, Barca could have persuaded Toral to stay.
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Im not blaming anybody.
The kid sees a better future at Arsenal.
If I was in his shoes, I would take up the offer too.
I mean, c'mon, one of the biggest club in the world, with a top 3 coach(imo) wants you and offers you multiple times more money and promises you that you will be promoted in 2012, I would take it in a heart beat! F**k all that mes que un club shit, i only look for my future. Right? smile.gif

Minority, yes, we can offer him a pro contract when he hits 18yo but he still wouldnt have much of a chance being promoted in the first team.
There is a long list of players who are ahead of him in the Barca B and then there are still a few world cup winners in the 1st team.
Obviously, he made a wise decision.

Put yourself in his shoes,
would you listen to Arsenal's promises or Barca's?
Well you know my answer already.. smile.gif

The only thing that I don't like is, when EPL clubs use these kinds of tactics to lure under 18 kids from the Continent to play for them.
Im partly from Holland. A lot of kids left home for England. Why?
Money and fame.
A good example is an ex team mate of mine who went to West Brom before establishing himself in the Dutch league.
Where is he now? In the stands.
ENglish FA gotta stop letting foreign business men take over the clubs!!
And English clubs need to stop over pricing their players!
Andy Carroll the most expensive in England? Are you kidding me?!
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The point remains the same.

If Nasri leaves Arsenal for Barca its because HE WANTED TO.
Toral left Barca for Arsenal because HE WANTED TO.

There is no such thing as "immoral activities". The players have their say in the decision.
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ENglish FA gotta stop letting foreign business men take over the clubs!!
And English clubs need to stop over pricing their players!
Andy Carroll the most expensive in England? Are you kidding me?!
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I agree with this, English player tend to be overprice and some of the pricing just ridiculous.

Anyhow, nothing much can do about this, business still business, no way English FA will stop it.
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LOL this is getting tiresome. sweat.gif

OK minority, I was just trying to point out that Barca actually did value Cesc highly, contrary to your believe that we didn't. The question whether we were able to give him first team experience is ridiculous and pointless, since there's no way to prove it either way. I also showed that we had tried to keep him, contrary to Arsenal fans believed that we just let him walked away. I think I've proven my case, with aid by a Arsenal blog no less.

I don't know how to counter your argument about Barca didn't try 'hard enough', because I'm sure that you don't even know what options Barca had, and which options Barca didn't take. But we all can see that Toral and Samper scenarios represented different outcome to our efforts. In Samper case, because we presented our sporting plans for him, he pledged to stay with us and rejected Arsenal's more lucrative contract. Toral on the other hand rejected us, because he thought English style suits him better. But BOTH situations showed what Barca can ultimately do, although the outcome depends on how the kids think. In other word, Barca could try as hard as possible, but the outcome also depend on the kid's mentality. Back to Cesc's case, Arsenal even offered his father job and house, so in Cesc' case, family matter may have made Cesc's decision smoother. Barca couldn't do anything.

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Now that Cesc has left us, we think Arsenal should pay us, as you guys kindly did for Merida and Toral transfers.

And then you guys point out that we also could pluck youngsters from all around the world for free, but I'm not sure you guys, know which kid, apart from Messi, we poached, at least from outside of Spain.

I've told you about our dealing with Mataro for Cesc.

I can't prove my case for Pedro and Jeffren case though, because the article I read about them seems lost. But actually, other Spanish clubs also 'poached' from us. Miquel, who you guys plucked from Cornella iinm, was also plucked from La Masia. But we didn't mind, because of the level playing field I have suggested. We could always resigned him back, and pay some compensation if we should. Same goes to Jeffren. When we signed him, Tenerife could always resigned him back. This thing among Spanish clubs can go the other way around, because the level playing field the Spanish law permitted them.

Now about Messi. I picked up a line from your post in previous thread:

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But Newell could have done something (like go ahead and pay his cost), like Barca could have guaranteed Cesc more first-team chances. Newell did not want to throw Messi away, just like Barca did not want to throw Cesc away.


Come on, where did you get this? Another assumption of yours? The fact is Newell's thought Messi medical bill was astronomical, and they were no longer interested to pay it. Messi's family even forced to make do without the support for several months while looking for a new club, as Newell's cut off the fund. If you want evidence, I will try looking for Messi documentary in youtube. I couldn't find it just now.
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Why should Arsenal pay anything to Barcelona for Cesc NOW? They already paid 2.8m pounds in 03/04 season.

http://transfermarkt.co.uk/en/cesc-f%C3%A0...ieler_8806.html

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And then you guys point out that we also could pluck youngsters from all around the world for free, but I'm not sure you guys, know which kid, apart from Messi, we poached, at least from outside of Spain.
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I'm not sure about these but I read it at one of the blogs,

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So why would his club do deals for for Besiktas’ 12-year-old Muhammad Demirci and 7-year-old Lyon kid Kais. Not to mention hand trials to 8-year-old Finnish starlet Oliver Antman, or 9-year-old Canadian Giancarlo Patina? Those are just some examples. A glance at the Cadete A side, which Toral played for, shows 7 non-EU players and the Cadete B side shows 9 non-EU players


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QUOTE(matyrze @ Feb 25 2011, 12:41 PM)
LOL this is getting tiresome. sweat.gif

OK minority, I was just trying to point out that Barca actually did value Cesc highly, contrary to your believe that we didn't. The question whether we were able to give him first team experience is ridiculous and pointless, since there's no way to prove it either way. I also showed that we had tried to keep him, contrary to Arsenal fans believed that we just let him walked away. I think I've proven my case, with aid by a Arsenal blog no less.

I don't know how to counter your argument about Barca didn't try 'hard enough', because I'm sure that you don't even know what options Barca had, and which options Barca didn't take. But we all can see that Toral and Samper scenarios represented different outcome to our efforts. In Samper case, because we presented our sporting plans for him, he pledged to stay with us and rejected Arsenal's more lucrative contract. Toral on the other hand rejected us, because he thought English style suits him better. But BOTH situations showed what Barca can ultimately do, although the outcome depends on how the kids think. In other word, Barca could try as hard as possible, but the outcome also depend on the kid's mentality. Back to Cesc's case, Arsenal even offered his father job and house, so in Cesc' case, family matter may have made Cesc's decision smoother. Barca couldn't do anything.

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Now that Cesc has left us, we think Arsenal should pay us, as you guys kindly did for Merida and Toral transfers.

And then you guys point out that we also could pluck youngsters from all around the world for free, but I'm not sure you guys, know which kid, apart from Messi, we poached, at least from outside of Spain.

I've told you about our dealing with Mataro for Cesc.

I can't prove my case for Pedro and Jeffren case though, because the article I read about them seems lost. But actually, other Spanish clubs also 'poached' from us. Miquel, who you guys plucked from Cornella iinm, was also plucked from La Masia. But we didn't mind, because of the level playing field I have suggested. We could always resigned him back, and pay some compensation if we should. Same goes to Jeffren. When we signed him, Tenerife could always resigned him back. This thing among Spanish clubs can go the other way around, because the level playing field the Spanish law permitted them.

Now about Messi. I picked up a line from your post in previous thread:
Come on, where did you get this? Another assumption of yours? The fact is Newell's thought Messi medical bill was astronomical, and they were no longer interested to pay it. Messi's family even forced to make do without the support for several months while looking for a new club, as Newell's cut off the fund. If you want evidence, I will try looking for Messi documentary in youtube. I couldn't find it just now.
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QUOTE(lowyatter @ Feb 25 2011, 02:05 PM)
Why should Arsenal pay anything to Barcelona for Cesc NOW? They already paid 2.8m pounds in 03/04 season.

http://transfermarkt.co.uk/en/cesc-f%C3%A0...ieler_8806.html
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what are you trying to imply when you say arsenal should pay barca?
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QUOTE(lowyatter @ Feb 25 2011, 02:05 PM)
Why should Arsenal pay anything to Barcelona for Cesc NOW? They already paid 2.8m pounds in 03/04 season.

http://transfermarkt.co.uk/en/cesc-f%C3%A0...ieler_8806.html
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Do you have news piece confirming this deal and the amount?

Its hard to look for evidence for transfer 8 years ago, and I was lucky to found the Arseweb blog. So, neither Arseweb blog nor UEFA confirmed of any payment made. I don't know if its available in Arsenal website.

QUOTE(Corrupted Spirits @ Feb 25 2011, 03:58 PM)
I'm not sure about these but I read it at one of the blogs,
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I can't find the names in the list of our youth players.

Check out here.

As we can see in the list, it didn't mentioned the nationality of the kids. So I'm not sure which list your 'source' had glanced through.

Yes there're some Cameroonian kids, brought over by Eto'o's program. I heard Barca also have a Greek kid. But mostly our youth setup are consisting players from Catalonia/Spain.
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After doing some googling, I found this :

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...ral-Harper.html

I quote:

"How Wenger got Fabregas
ARSENE WENGER knew all about the young Cesc Fabregas but was not allowed to watch him on Barcelona youth duty.
So the Gunners chief went to Finland for the Under-17 World Cup in 2003, where Spain's Fab won the Golden Boot and Player of the Tournament awards.
Arsenal then signed Fabregas on September 11 that year, luring him with the promise of first-team football.
But they had to pay £700,000 compensation after Barcelona asked FIFA to arbitrate"

Looks like the Transfermarkt figure lowyatter posted is wrong, since quite a few other sites also show the £700,000.

Still, the point remains that Arsenal did pay for the transfer in '03.


Added on February 26, 2011, 9:35 amThis site also shows the 700,000 figure

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/426180-...easy-if-you-try


Added on February 26, 2011, 9:39 amthis one as well:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...ral-Harper.html


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How did it not appear back in 2003? While googling, you can try limit news from 2003 to 2005. I can't found anything.

This one is well known. But Cesc, I don't know since when this 700k appear. If you've got the numbers from Arsenal.com around 2003/4, I'm ready to pull back my words.

Although I'd still question the morality of Arsenal, forcing us to refer to FIFA (referring to your news piece), I reckon Barca should have just move on. Its not like Cesc was the last one coming off the conveyor belt.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Feb 25 2011, 07:53 PM)
Check out here.

As we can see in the list, it didn't mentioned the nationality of the kids. So I'm not sure which list your 'source' had glanced through.

Yes there're some Cameroonian kids, brought over by Eto'o's program. I heard Barca also have a Greek kid. But mostly our youth setup are consisting players from Catalonia/Spain.
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Checking through footballtalents.co.uk, this is what i get:

Cadete A
Pol Ballesté López (Spain)
Joseph Fabrice Ondoa Ebogo (Cameroon)
Marc Navarro Ceciliano (Spain)
Elohor Godswill Ekpolo (Cameroon)
Roger Riera Canadell (Spain)
Pau Belana Huguet (Spain)
Alejandro Grimaldo García (Spain)
Pau Otero Casas (Spain)
Sergi Samper Montaña (Spain)
Simón Colina Domínguez (Spain)
Jon Miquel Toral Harper (Spain)
Iu Ranera Grau (Spain)
Juan Fernández Santiago 'Mara' (Spain)
Héctor Bellerín Moruno (Cameroon)
Iván Romano Fernández (Spain)
Mamadou Tounkara Tounkara (Senegal)
Sandro Ramírez Castillo (Spain)
Maximiliano Brian Rolon (Unknown)


Cadete B
Pol Serrat Fortuny (Spain)
Ernest Costales Martínez (Spain)
Andrei Onana (Unknown but name doesn’t sound Spanish)
Francisco Javier Alvarez Ferrer (Spain)
Carlos Blanco Moreno (Spain)
Daniel Segura Vargas (Spain)
Sergi Palencia Hurtado (Spain)
Aleix Bigordà Cava (Spain)
Juan Manuel García Rey (Spain)
Moustapha Seck 'Mousta' (Spain)
Àlex Corredera Alardi (Spain)
Zacharie Lionel Enguene Onana (Cameroon)
Wilfrid Jaures Kaptoum (Cameroon)
David Alejandro Zalzman Guevara (Venezuela)
David Soto Barber (Unknown)
James Efmorfidis (Unknown)
Sebastián de Jesús Leguizamón Benítez (Spain)
Adama Traore Diarra (Mali)
Mamadou Tounkara Tounkara (Senegal)
Ramón Saavedra Amador (Spain)
Arnaldo An tonio Sanabria Ayala (Spain)
Sergio Buenacasa Alba (Spain)
Mohamed El Ouriachi (Unknown)


I must say Barca really done a good job for supplying the football talent to Spanish football team, i wonder if Real Madrid doing the same thing (even this is barca thread, just wonder)? hmm.gif

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Lol,u all dnt even bother about 7 points clear now dnt you?
And keep talking about fabregas n repeating the same points
Arsenal fans said this, barca said that..
And the points jz keep stressed out again n again..
Anyway there should be a compensation to barca rite?

Forget him,u hv jeffren for god sake,he is a hell of a talent

Sorry for interrupting
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QUOTE(mengdez @ Feb 26 2011, 03:50 PM)
I must say Barca really done a good job for supplying the football talent to Spanish football team, i wonder if Real Madrid doing the same thing (even this is barca thread, just wonder)?  hmm.gif
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They do have good youngsters. But their developments is heavily dependent on Mou's willingness to provide them first team football. So far he has handed debut to several of them.

QUOTE(MrFay @ Feb 27 2011, 07:30 AM)
Anyway there should be a compensation to barca rite?
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Not to say we should get it, no law says Arsenal was obliged to pay. The main point is the lack of respect shown by Arsenal when they poached Cesc away.

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We won 3-0 in San Moix. Pleased to see our team played well in absence of Xavi, Puyol, Alves and Valdes. But it was clear that if Alves is gonna leave, we are going to look for new RB this summer. Adriano was not hyperactive like Alves, while Montoya showed very little in 10 minutes he featured.

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great match even without several regular starter, Keita just shown that we no need to worry if Xavi not around, Pedro goal was superb
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Feb 27 2011, 12:02 PM)
great match even without several regular starter, Keita just shown that we no need to worry if Xavi not around, Pedro goal was superb
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Erm...why is that?
Keita didn't take up Xavi's role. He played his usual box to box game.
Worked his ass off today. And nice assist but I think it was a bit offside as with Villa's goal.
Iniesta did to some extent which ruined his usual game.
I really dont like it when Iniesta has to take Xavi's role.
It just doesnt work.
Iniesta is Iniesta. He loves to take risks and make runs.
When Iniesta plays like Xavi we really miss out a lot on that
and coupled with the absence of Alves bombing down the right, we really suffer.

Loved the introduction of Affelay and Montoya.
Affelay made good use of his limited minutes!

What pissed me off was when Pep casually asked Messi if he wanted to be substituted.
What the hell??!! You are the coach. Its your decision.
The next time Messi get's hacked and gets injured, the blame is on you!

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7 points lead Again.. drool.gif
Good game.
Did alves really wants to leave? rclxub.gif
That will be a major loss for barca. cry.gif
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QUOTE(fwhoam @ Feb 27 2011, 02:02 PM)
7 points lead Again.. drool.gif
Good game.
Did alves really wants to leave? rclxub.gif
That will be a major loss for barca. cry.gif
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No he doesnt want to leave.
but he just wants more money.
There is a 1 million gap between his demands and Barca's offer.
I just think it's plain silly.
He is worth every cent of that extra 1million.
Barca wants to categorize him as as a defender so his pay should be in a defenders bracket.
But that is absurd.
He made more passes in the opposition half than C.Ronaldo!
That alone tells you how important he is.
Priceless

ANd it doesnt help that Man City offered him a hell lot more Arab money.
Hopefully he wont take the Yaya route
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Feb 27 2011, 02:20 PM)
No he doesnt want to leave.
but he just wants more money.
There is a 1 million gap between his demands and Barca's offer.
I just think it's plain silly.
He is worth every cent of that extra 1million.
Barca wants to categorize him as as a defender so his pay should be in a defenders bracket.
But that is absurd.
He made more passes in the opposition half than C.Ronaldo!
That alone tells you how important he is.
Priceless

ANd it doesnt help that Man City offered him a hell lot more Arab money.
Hopefully he wont take the Yaya route
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Yup..it will be a major loss for barca. cry.gif
Alves is one of the best rb. notworthy.gif
Hopefully barca will value him and entertain his request.


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Great comment (as usual wink.gif) by Pep:

Those that didn’t get to play have to endure, of course, but they know their responsibility, and that we have all the confidence in them. I try to make them understand that it is necessary for them to train hard, and that there will always be opportunities for them, but if everyone behaves like Keita everything will be easier. Today, along with Andres, it was Keita who won us the match, and they played a superb game. He’s always there when we need him, and that’s why I’m happy for him.

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been reading few pages and i dont know why some think that barca didnt try hard enough to keep cesc, they did everything they possibly could in legal ways other than handcuff him and lock down his parents inside dungeon, if these were tried i guess we wont be seeing any forumers here arguing about the efforts that been made..
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Guys, seriously, enough about cesc man. He has gone so just accept that. He made a choice when he was younger, and nobody knows if he's regretting it now, tho i highly doubt so.
Give due credit and respect to arsenal as well, tho they had just done almost the same when jon miguel toral harper just went away. doh.gif
I guess this is football, it is never fair.

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Whether or not it was a legal approach, i'm sure he's now happy at arsenal. Or else, he would have requested a transfer switch earlier.
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QUOTE(myhotgary2 @ Feb 28 2011, 04:42 PM)
Guys, seriously, enough about cesc man. He has gone so just accept that. He made a choice when he was younger, and nobody knows if he's regretting it now, tho i highly doubt so.
Give due credit and respect to arsenal as well, tho they had just done almost the same when jon miguel toral harper just went away. doh.gif
I guess this is football, it is never fair.

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they made another one over the weekend.
for villa's goal but once again, they apologized afterwards.
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they used photoshop to remove 1 defender? that is deliberate, not some error in computer gaphics/

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Yup..Some "error".
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guys,any streaming link for tonite match?
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guys,any streaming link for tonite match?
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Can you access myp2p.eu ??

btw, we grind a win out today.
Mascherano was, as always, almost useless, esp offensively. Adriano keeps throwing chances away, but he atoned with a nice assist.
los che deserved a point for their effort tho. All in all, good win and 10 points lead. thats a reason to smile.

If you guys watched the match, is there something on btw villa and messi? They sorta like had some sorta spat. Even when villa was right next to messi, opened, messi saw him but still opted to go alone.
well..I surely hope not. King pep wouldn't allow that i guess.
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QUOTE(myhotgary2 @ Mar 3 2011, 07:42 AM)
Can you access myp2p.eu ??

btw, we grind a win out today.
Mascherano was, as always, almost useless, esp offensively. Adriano keeps throwing chances away, but he atoned with a nice assist.
los che deserved a point for their effort tho. All in all, good win and 10 points lead. thats a reason to smile.

If you guys watched the match, is there something on btw villa and messi? They sorta like had some sorta spat. Even when villa was right next to messi, opened, messi saw him but still opted to go alone.
well..I surely hope not. King pep wouldn't allow that i guess.
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good God.
please download the match and watch it again.please.
Masch was terrific. he was stealing balls after balls.
dont tell me you didnt see that?
we really needed both Masch and Busi in the line-up tonight.
as you noticed, Valencia's tactics were to pressure us like mad in the first part of the match so we needed 2 strong DM's to with hold the attacks.
like commentator said, "how long can Valencia hold on to this tactic before they get tired".
so in the 2nd half, out goes Masch cause we needed to attack after Pep sees that they dont have it in them(Valencia) anymore.
so after weathering the storm, in comes Pedro to create havoc and run up against the tired legs.

and how can you say that adriano was useless? throwing chances away?
he created a lot of danger on the left flank. he was alves of the left flank today.
attacking and defending non stop.
you need to appreciate our players more.

no, i dont think that there is anything wrong between the two of them(messi and villa).
although he could have easily given villa two tap-ins but messi wanted to fool the goal keeper by going himself.
and you know, most of messi's goals are potential contenders for goal of the years.
he probably just wanted to add another one.
it wouldve been a beauty, the chip over the goal keeper. but it was too close to the goal unfortunately.
giving the ball hardly enough space to drop.

but yeah, it couldve costed us the match if he didnt make up for it later on.

so you think that Masch was as always useless....
name me 5 players who were able to come to Barca and slot in almost naturally.
Alves is probably the best.
you know, playing at DM for Barca is very demanding.
since we play very high up the pitch, we need someone like Busi or Masch to stop the counters, not some big guy with flying tackles who just tackles and shoots the ball away.
and besides that, the person must be able to pass the ball well.
dont think that because he came from an EPL team that he doesn't know how to pass.
he is above average. watch argentina matches.
man....he gave so many good performances since he came in.
i find it really disturbing that you call him useless.
he couldve easily be a starter for our club if it wasnt for the best DM, Busi.

btw, you said especially offensively..
what is his position again??
right......

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I missed the match, so couldn't comment anything.

But for me, its no big surprise if Masch played bad. Playing as a DM for Barca is not about stealing the ball. Heck this job is not exclusive for our DM, its a job for everybody. What myhotgary may be concerned of is Masch's ability to help out his teammates after they stole it, as well as his lack of initiative (due to tactical awareness, not his work rate) to distribute the ball after wrestling for it. He depends a lot on Xavi/Pique to distribute it. In certain match that's not the best option, as both players tend to get pressurized from opponents too.

For me, after we spent 20ME on him, he's proved that he is only good enough to be Busi's cover. Not much more.

But still, I missed the match tongue.gif So if there are others missed the match too, we'll have a replay at 4.30pm today. I'll be home from office by 4 I guess tongue.gif
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He has never been known for his offensive awareness, however contributed a little when he was in Liverpool, perhaps his offensive contribution outshone the likes of Lucas and Kuyt, but in Barca, he has to compete with Busquet, Xavi, Iniesta in the central role, not exactly his thing.
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Yes, defensively he did make a few interceptions, but saying that, even busi had a btter day defending than he did, and busi even had time to contribute to the offense bro.
In barca u dun play DM to only defend, u also have to circulate the ball, and make bursting runs, box to box (eg keita, busi). Masch just did not do that, he did not look for the best option to pass to. Masch was only seen in our box, not valencia's. So i think he slowed down our attack A LOT.
Still defensively, he played alright, but IMHO keita could have been a better choice. Then again, maybe pep wants to rest him and get masch into the thick of the action. I dun hate masch, see my earlier post (maybe in old thread), i said masch is taking baby steps to accomodate himself in the system, find his true identity in this squad. Until then, he is going to play like that. Even pique goes forward more than him, but thats not surprising at all i guess.

As for adriano, did you watch the first half? He made some great runs i give u that, but where was the final ball? We dun need a theo walcott in barca.. He just did not link up with villa, and there was once where he was one on one with guaita, he shot wide and out.

So bro, i did watch the match. Please take some healthy criticism bro, we're all blaugrana. Not some epl fanboi. dun belasah me.
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Haha no la. I just really don't agree with your criticism towards Masch.
My bad for going very far to defend Masch.
BUt Pep knows that his qualities is not going forward but its to stay back and defend.
Maybe it was Pep's instructions. To keep him at the back. Protect the defenders when the rest are all out attacking.
Cmon. didn't you notice how easy he robs the balls off people?
Busi uses his game reading abilities while Masch just uses brute force(not EPL tackle force) like a gangster while Busi is like a pick pocketer.
Like you said, even Pique goes forward more..That is instructed by Pep as well because Pique is good in attacking. We could use his big body up there. There are many times when he goes forward but nobody passes the ball to him. It pisses me off. Make use of his height while he is there.
But usually Xavi will just keep the ball and control play.
If Masch joins the attack, who's going to look after the defense?

As for Adriano, his role was LM. Provide balls to the attackers and help out the defenders. He did that. And he attacks defenders(valencia) unlike Maxwell who is always shy to join the attack. We need some speed on the left as well.
And Adriano fights for the ball. Maxwell usually just jogs back for some reason and he jsut looks disinterested.

Great news for us.
Puyol is back in training.

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I read Xavi's interview with Sport, and he was asked to comment on Messi being 'slightly' more vocal towards Villa in the last game. He said it was normal, and resulting from stress. When the interviewer said it was not normal for Messi being angry, Xavi snapped back "See if you never got angry at work". Great answer it was laugh.gif

Pep is set to give another run around for back ups (not that we have many of them laugh.gif ) for tonight. And Pep is set to watch the game from hospital cry.gif Hopefully he get well soon.

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Nope.
He will attend the match. <Mad men.
Im sure Tito will be able to handle one match.
Hopefully he wont make it worse and miss the match against Arsenal instead.

I found that quite disturbing to see Messi scolding Villa.
We hardly ever see that here.
And what made it worse was,
before that incident, Messi ignored an open Villa twice who couldve already had 2 tap in goals.
Kinda disappointing coming from MEssi.

I want Iniesta, Busi and Messi to rest tonight.
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i hope puyol plays, gain some fitness before the big game.
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barcelona won again but pique and pedro had a bad game

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But i saw an upside, mascherano took a big step today, winning balls back and even putting a shot on goal which was parried away by doblas. tho i hope he's not the best makeshift defence pep can come up with for the gunners game.
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dont think mascherana will play againts arsenal becouse maybe puyol will start againts the gunners
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 6 2011, 12:50 AM)
I found that quite disturbing to see Messi scolding Villa.
We hardly ever see that here.
And what made it worse was,
before that incident, Messi ignored an open Villa twice who couldve already had 2 tap in goals.
Kinda disappointing coming from MEssi.
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Well, I don't call that 'scolding'. Alves was the one who scolded Villa. If you watch the game again, the incident occurred after Villa failed to find Alves, who was absolutely free at the far post, and opted to take a shot instead, which of course had missed the target. You know, this kinda situation occurs. Xavi said he sometimes tells Puyol and Alves his opinion on the pitch. But for Messi, things get exaggerated because the TV focused on Villa and Messi during the game, and ignored Alves' scream before that.

Btw, I missed the Zaragoza match tongue.gif Sigh, another match to download it seems blush.gif
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QUOTE(myhotgary2 @ Mar 6 2011, 07:29 AM)
But i saw an upside, mascherano took a big step today, winning balls back and even putting a shot on goal which was parried away by doblas. tho i hope he's not the best makeshift defence pep can come up with for the gunners game.
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I came in here asap to check whether you have anything to say about Masch.Haha.
I was grinning throughout the whole match.
And your name came to mind when he unleashed a shot. hahahaha
He did nothing wrong. Absolutely amazing.
Nobody ever passed him ever! Haha.
And his passing is getting better too.
He's a quick learner. He was already an average passer but now he's more aware of his surroundings.
One thing I don't like is that sometimes he tries to be a Xavi when Xavi is right next to him.
I know it's good that he can do it too but I jsut prefer the master do it.


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QUOTE(matyrze @ Mar 6 2011, 09:26 AM)
Well, I don't call that 'scolding'. Alves was the one who scolded Villa. If you watch the game again, the incident occurred after Villa failed to find Alves, who was absolutely free at the far post, and opted to take a shot instead, which of course had missed the target. You know, this kinda situation occurs. Xavi said he sometimes tells Puyol and Alves his opinion on the pitch. But for Messi, things get exaggerated because the TV focused on Villa and Messi during the game, and ignored Alves' scream before that.

Btw, I missed the Zaragoza match tongue.gif Sigh, another match to download it seems blush.gif
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Villa looked like he was trying to hit Messi wit a hard shot ala Rivaldo where Messi just has to run into the ball.
I personally wouldn't have passed to Alves.
Now just a humor,
Alves will receive the ball and instead of shooting he will do his usual thing, look for Messi.

There is no need to download the match.
Pretty boring.
Zaragoza came to get a draw and after going a goal down they decided to keep it at 1-0.
It was a bore.
To make matters worse the players kept on trying one-two's when there is a line of 5-4 in the middle.
I dont understand why they didnt draw the defenders to either side of the pitch.
Doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that one out smile.gif

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yeap the game was quite boring...Zaragoza's keeper did a great job..he stopped quite alot of shots...

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BTW....that game will shock the gunners just draw with sunderland.... hopefully puyol will able to play the next big game and give the big impact and big scoresheet after this....
>>> messi and villa look like stress on the pitch, of course to get more goal...hope they're find chemistry each others for UCL clash
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QUOTE(fareezth @ Mar 6 2011, 08:55 PM)
BTW....that game will shock the gunners just draw with sunderland.... hopefully puyol will able to play the next big game and give the big impact and big scoresheet after this....
>>> messi and villa look like stress on the pitch, of course to get more goal...hope they're find chemistry each others for UCL clash
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i am hoping that villa and messi are back on the pitch in that big game...damn..can't wait....XD....
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 6 2011, 03:47 PM)
I dont understand why they didnt draw the defenders to either side of the pitch.
Doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that one out smile.gif
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Because Zaragoza defenders also realized that they had to crowd the middle area? If they were opened up in defense, they were doomed, and for them that's not rocket science either.

QUOTE(fareezth @ Mar 6 2011, 08:55 PM)
BTW....that game will shock the gunners just draw with sunderland.... hopefully puyol will able to play the next big game and give the big impact and big scoresheet after this....
>>> messi and villa look like stress on the pitch, of course to get more goal...hope they're find chemistry each others for UCL clash
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According to TB, its nearly confirmed that Puyol will miss the match doh.gif doh.gif

So the next match will be very similar to last season; Arsenal with injury problems, vs Barca with heavily make shifted back line.

So who should play in defense? Milito or Busquets?

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srsly bro, no milito. He's way too far from match fitness with 50% pace and 70% physique. Even bendtner can own him.
i'll say
dani-busi/masch-abidal-adrano/maxwell will be alright.
Let keita play DM. i think that should be good.


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I came in here asap to check whether you have anything to say about Masch.Haha.
I was grinning throughout the whole match.
And your name came to mind when he unleashed a shot. hahahaha
He did nothing wrong. Absolutely amazing.
Nobody ever passed him ever! Haha.
And his passing is getting better too.
He's a quick learner. He was already an average passer but now he's more aware of his surroundings.
One thing I don't like is that sometimes he tries to be a Xavi when Xavi is right next to him.
I know it's good that he can do it too but I jsut prefer the master do it.
Haha.. eating my words now. Anyway, please dun think of me when u watching football la, the idea of somebody thinking about me while we're watching the match kinda freaks me out. laugh.gif laugh.gif
Haha chill bro icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(matyrze @ Mar 6 2011, 11:46 PM)
Because Zaragoza defenders also realized that they had to crowd the middle area? If they were opened up in defense, they were doomed, and for them that's not rocket science either.
According to TB, its nearly confirmed that Puyol will miss the match doh.gif doh.gif

So the next match will be very similar to last season; Arsenal with injury problems, vs Barca with heavily make shifted back line.

So who should play in defense? Milito or Busquets?
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Considering that Walcott will be out= less threat on the left so I would choose Adriano who could exploit the freedom.
BUt we all know Pep, he will play Maxwell there and Busi at CB.
Last season Milito was still a rock at CB, this season he's just off. However he isn't as bad as people make him out to be.
He was good against Zaragoza. Pique was beaten a few times too.
But we can't have two slow defenders.
So Busi it is in CB even though it will disturb our passing.
If only Yaya was still here chasing silverware instead of cash money...

If Pep was smart enough, he would've given FOntas some action time during the course of the season but...stubborn stubborn.
Not playing Busi at midfield does hurt us a bit. He is really important.
It wouldnt be Xaviniesta without Busi behind the duo.

With Bsui-Xaviniesta midfield, the midfield battle is already won but Im pretty confident that Mascherano would do a good job.
He knows them well from his time at EPL.
And his passing has improved by leaps and bounds.


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QUOTE(myhotgary2 @ Mar 7 2011, 02:52 AM)
srsly bro, no milito. He's way too far from match fitness with 50% pace and 70% physique. Even bendtner can own him.
i'll say
dani-busi/masch-abidal-adrano/maxwell will be alright.
Let keita play DM. i think that should be good.


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Haha.. eating my words now. Anyway, please dun think of me when u watching football la, the idea of somebody thinking about me while we're watching the match kinda freaks me out.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
Haha chill bro icon_rolleyes.gif
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Haha. No la...
Actually its not that crazy when watching football.
Probably the least craziest if you think about it haha

I would love Mascherano to play at CB.
Im sure he would do well but for some reason Pep has never given him the chance to play there.
I wouldve played him there instead of Busi in the past.

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so vs arsenal how barca formation?


--------pedro------villa-----messi-----

----- iniesta----mascherano----xavi--

???-------abidal---------milito-----alves--

---------------- valdes-----------------

like that r?

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90% of chances are (don't ask me where did I get the percentage from tongue.gif) Busquets to be deployed as CB, instead of Milito. If Milito plays, Masch won't get to play. Maxwell meanwhile will play as LB.

Ops, sorry guys for not updating first post and the thread title, been busy these few days with courses. Can online for 15 minutes max liao doh.gif doh.gif
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That rat Wenger with his games.
Now RVP is in.

Wilshere was supposedly injured too but hey, he's back.

And the Brit Press are at it again.
Twisting Pep's words into something nasty.
All he said was good things about Wilshere.

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That rat Wenger with his games.
Now RVP is in.

Wilshere was supposedly injured too but hey, he's back.

And the Brit Press are at it again.
Twisting Pep's words into something nasty.
All he said was good things about Wilshere.
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is it because this is your thread, you can be disrespectful towards 1 of the top manager in football world by calling him rat? or is it because some other reason that non-Barca fans didn't know?

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QUOTE(toshio14 @ Mar 8 2011, 12:25 PM)
is it because this is your thread, you can be disrespectful towards 1 of the top manager in football world by calling him rat? or is it because some other reason that non-Barca fans didn't know?
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I dont see anything wrong by calling him RAT becos the way he whine and whine and whine over the same old excuse whenever his team lost.
He never admits mistakes and his team got no wrong.
And most of all he cant win a trophy for 6 years now.How can that be top manager ?Maybe yes in last decade.

Today he is far far away even compare to a young coach like Guardiola who appear to knows more than him by miles!

Tonight Barca will teach them yet another lesson!! The whole premier league should support Barca and shut the ars again..

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QUOTE(Yukieliow @ Mar 8 2011, 01:06 PM)
I dont see anything wrong by calling him RAT becos the way he whine and whine and whine over the same old excuse whenever his team lost.
He never admits mistakes and his team got no wrong.
And most of all he cant win a trophy for 6 years now.How can that be top manager ?Maybe yes in last decade.

Today he is far far away even compare to a young coach like Guardiola who appear to knows more than him by miles!

Tonight Barca will teach them yet another lesson!! The whole premier league should support Barca and shut the ars again..
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And that came from.... a non-barca fan. rclxms.gif or you jumped ship from spurs again after they failed to perform consistently and after a long heated argument with duke red and condemning him a glory hunter. really one of a million top profile personnel in FL. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Yukieliow @ Mar 8 2011, 01:06 PM)
I dont see anything wrong by calling him RAT becos the way he whine and whine and whine over the same old excuse whenever his team lost.
He never admits mistakes and his team got no wrong.
And most of all he cant win a trophy for 6 years now.How can that be top manager ?Maybe yes in last decade.

Today he is far far away even compare to a young coach like Guardiola who appear to knows more than him by miles!

Tonight Barca will teach them yet another lesson!! The whole premier league should support Barca and shut the ars again..
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well wenger have to be applauded for his insistence to stick with what he believe is best for the club. when every club around him is spending crazy money, he chose not to go down that route due to the club's debt. yes he havent won a trophy for 6 years, but thats' a given and as an arsenal supporter i've no problem with that since it's a transitional period. now the boys are all grown up and arsenal will have a trophy either this or next season.

i'm not sure if pep is a great manager, he cant handle zlatan, and that chygrynskiy fella. he also seems not to be able to handle etoo the last time around. this shows that his man management skill is not that great. tactical wise? bah, he's not flexible. he got owned by wenger the last time they met. for all i care, he did inherit one hell of a squad. he's an ok manager, but not that great. he's 10 years too soon to compare with wenger, fergie alike..


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i'm not going to be bothered with the reply from someone who jump to Sp*rs from Arsenal. am still waiting for the reply from that barca96 dude
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thread invasyun! biggrin.gif
Seriously though, I'll reserve my thoughts on guardiola until after a decade with barcelona. Both arsene and pep are probably at the opposite spectrum of managing young, emerging players through the academy. While pep has almost unlimited talent at his disposal in the academy and the reserved, arsene don't have such luxury and has to content with what he has. At the moment, the attacking philosophy of both teams are very similar but due to a certain issue plus some other disagreement, they're not best of friends.

All I'm asking from tonight game is an entertaining match. A good clean game with no controversies.

yeah right.
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Yes I called him a rat.

Don't you think that he is being really sneaky?
I do like him though for over 1o years now cause Im an Ajax man too so I follow Bergkamp.
Ever since he transformed Arsenal in 97 or 98 I wished that he would take over Barca one day and that wish never changed but he needs to stop with his acting.
For the rest, he is a top top manager.
Hope Pep can stay as long at Barca and control Barca as much as Wenger.


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i'm not going to be bothered with the reply from someone who jump to Sp*rs from Arsenal. am still waiting for the reply from that barca96 dude
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oops.
its up there.
forgot to press quote

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Beat your replicates, they claim they play beautiful football like barca...but its not at all lol.
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Yes I called him a rat.

Don't you think that he is being really sneaky?
I do like him though for over 1o years now cause Im an Ajax man too so I follow Bergkamp.
Ever since he transformed Arsenal in 97 or 98 I wished that he would take over Barca one day and that wish never changed but he needs to stop with his acting.
For the rest, he is a top top manager.
Hope Pep can stay as long at Barca and control Barca as much as Wenger.
what acting?

and going by your reply you want a rat-like manager to manage your beloved-best-in-the-world club, right?

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WWE match between toshio14 and barca96.
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dont argue la .. to me Arsenal is nothing near Barcelona..
They are just copy cat who want to play like Barcelona but try to copy but oftenly cant win things.. they are a team make up by cat n rats

no contest at all tonight.. arsenal will be embarrass again
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QUOTE(toshio14 @ Mar 8 2011, 03:32 PM)
what acting?
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Bro. Like I said, Ive been following Arsenal since he came on board.
I think the season where the away jersey was dark blue.
They were quite popular in Holland back then.

Anyways,
don't tell me that you don't know that he always claims not to have seen a tackle made by his player.
he ALWAYS turns a blind eye.
bergkamp stamped on a player and he says it was a nervous reaction.
it is funny but its also a serious lie..
a dangerous tackle on an opponent and he says, i ziznt zee zat.

but still, i would love for him to take over barca one day.
but he was so close to joining R.madrid on a few occasions so he is probably closer to madrid than to barca.

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One i'll agree with you. He always rant brows.gif
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i have a strong feeling yukieliow = tevez32

by the way, there is no need to have personal attack or name - calling.
i acknowledge barca as one of the clubs with prestige and integrity.
good game, later. smile.gif

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QUOTE(Yukieliow @ Mar 8 2011, 04:02 PM)
dont argue la .. to me Arsenal is nothing near Barcelona..
They are just copy cat who want to play like Barcelona but try to copy but oftenly cant win things.. they are a team make up by cat n rats

no contest at all tonight.. arsenal will be embarrass again
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no.
ive been a fan of barca since 1995-96 season ever since i moved to holland.
and i started following arsenal when wenger and bergkamp started there.
i can say, wenger has adopted that approach ever since he started out there.
but it is better now.
before it used to be less beautiful and more psychical with the likes of t.adams, winterburn, keown.
they had a lot of core players. whereas now, its just beauty.

he always had that short passing idea.
and it is not the same with ours.
so yeah, they are not a barca copy cat


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i have a strong feeling yukieliow = tevez32

by the way, there is no need to have personal attack or name - calling.
i acknowledge barca as one of the clubs with prestige and integrity.
good game, later. smile.gif
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thanks.

i was just pissed to wake up and see that once again he is pulling another of his stunts.
a few weeks back, cesc couldnt play with spain cos of an injury and a few days later he is up and running with arsenal.

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QUOTE(-Nos- @ Mar 8 2011, 04:20 PM)
i have a strong feeling yukieliow = tevez32

by the way, there is no need to have personal attack or name - calling.
i acknowledge barca as one of the clubs with prestige and integrity.
good game, later. smile.gif
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I'm not yukieliow. You can ask mod to check our ips ><
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 8 2011, 04:11 PM)
Bro. Like I said, Ive been following Arsenal since he came on board.
I think the season where the away jersey was dark blue.
They were quite popular in Holland back then.

Anyways,
don't tell me that you don't know that he always claims not to have seen a tackle made by his player.
he ALWAYS turns a blind eye.
bergkamp stamped on a player and he says it was a nervous reaction.
it is funny but its also a serious lie..
a dangerous tackle on an opponent and he says, i ziznt zee zat.

but still, i would love for him to take over barca one day.
but he was so close to joining R.madrid on a few occasions so he is probably closer to madrid than to barca.
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of course i know, it's the famous "i did not see the incident" reply. however, does that alone enough excuse for you to call him rat? how would you know that it was not really a nervous reaction from Dennis back then? do you really believe that he was lying about the extend of Robin injury?

nothing, and i mean nothing Arsene Wenger did in footballing world so far warranted you to call him rat. it's purely disrespectful, and sadly something i've come to expect from typical Barcelona fan

and on the perception that Arsene Wenger always whine, every managers does that la. it just pure media bullcrap cheap stereotype attack on Arsene Wenger since he's a foreign manager

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QUOTE(toshio14 @ Mar 8 2011, 04:27 PM)
nothing, and i mean nothing Arsene Wenger did in footballing world so far warranted you to call him rat. it's purely disrespectful, and sadly something i've come to expect from typical Barcelona fan
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Bro, you don't need to be too sensitive. Name calling is bad, I know. But it's nearly pointless to teach other people about ethic in the internet. Seeing that you generalize Barcelona fans as always being disrespectful, I also can point out that in the internet, the most frequent users of the word 'Farcelona' are Arsenal fans. I also receive not-so-friendly responses when posting in Arsenal thread sometime ago, and even bro Kimhoong PMed me to warn about it. Not to mention all the words like 'pathetic', 'f***er' and whatnot being thrown towards Barca players. I've seen these in Arsenal LYN thread too.

Like it or not, this thing goes both way. Just let it pass.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Mar 8 2011, 05:03 PM)
Bro, you don't need to be too sensitive. Name calling is bad, I know. But it's nearly pointless to teach other people about ethic in the internet. Seeing that you generalize Barcelona fans as always being disrespectful, I also can point out that in the internet, the most frequent users of the word 'Farcelona' are Arsenal fans. I also receive not-so-friendly responses when posting in Arsenal thread sometime ago, and even bro Kimhoong PMed me to warn about it. Not to mention all the words like 'pathetic', 'f***er' and whatnot being thrown towards Barca players. I've seen these in Arsenal LYN thread too.

Like it or not, this thing goes both way. Just let it pass.
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i believe that calling someone a "rat" is a few level above calling someone pathetic or f**ker. and where did i generalize you guys as disrespectful? i said "what i've come to expect" due to the few occasions i had interactions with Barcelona fan, they were being disrespectful hence why i said "what i've come to expect". it's different than generalizing that you all are disrespectful

anyway, i am letting this pass. just wanted to know the reason for branding our manager as rat, hence why i'm asking

edit : actually reading back what i'd written earlier, it does sound like i was generalizing. if that how it sound, then my bad and my apology. it was not what i have in mind when posting those. seems like skipping those English classes back then were bad idea after all laugh.gif

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how is a rat worse than those mentioned?

didnt you just stereotype barca fans?

anyways. i didnt think someone would take it so personal.
malaysian fans are quite passionate.

let's hope we will be the ones to cry for joy tmw morning.

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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 8 2011, 06:08 PM)
how is a rat worse than those mentioned?

didnt you just stereotype barca fans?

anyways. i didnt think someone would take it so personal.
malaysian fans are quite passionate.

let's hope we will be the ones to cry for joy tmw morning.
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well, that's my opinion. of course it can differs to yours. this is a forum anyway

i just hope for a marvelous spectacle of football match this morning, as i did when the draw was made past few months. hopefully it is to our benefit la



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y suddenly barca thread so many trolls wan.arsenal fans wan come lanci d is it
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actually the only troll i see here is beandy
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WWE match between toshio14 and barca96.
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Official line up : Valdés, Alves, Sergio B., Abidal, Adriano, Mascherano, Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro, Villa and Messi.
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that was probably the best off the ball movement throughout 90 minutes from the entire team i've ever seen so far in my life. and that was the main cause for Arsenal lose today

congrats
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No more cocky talk..
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We deserve this right? Up until 80th minute the stats showed Barca had 16 shots, while Arsenal had none. They can speculate all they want about the sending off, but up until that, they failed to even let Valdes worked. I think we played supremely well today. Mascherano and Adriano were monsters, although Adriano obviously hasn't trained on his shooting for quite a while now.
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It was a boring game. Both sides played badly by their standards. Plus referee spoiled the game.
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QUOTE(izdyharz @ Mar 9 2011, 05:54 AM)
It was a boring game. Both sides played badly by their standards. Plus referee spoiled the game.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Mar 9 2011, 05:53 AM)
We deserve this right? Up until 80th minute the stats showed Barca had 16 shots, while Arsenal had none. They can speculate all they want about the sending off, but up until that, they failed to even let Valdes worked. I think we played supremely well today. Mascherano and Adriano were monsters, although Adriano obviously hasn't trained on his shooting for quite a while now.
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totally deserved
arsenal zero shot says it all

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And 19 fouls rclxms.gif Was Arsene talking about attacking our goal, or attacking Barca players' legs?

Got to sleep lah, 7.30 am have to get up already. Nite everyone laugh.gif
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finaly messi destroy arsenal again smile.gif
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QUOTE(adicolourbl3 @ Mar 9 2011, 06:58 AM)
like i said mark my words...
finaly messi destroy arsenal again smile.gif
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credit to Barca, for me not Messi alone destroyed Arsenal but the whole team.

I mean it is very obvious, Messi alone can destroy any team at his will but he must have a good supporting players beside him.
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Not a threat at all.
I was really surprised..

It really should've been more than 5 goals if they didn't try to be so cute lol


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Is there any d/l links for full match?
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wait.
i will give when it's up.

you want HD?
800mb ish?


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QUOTE(izdyharz @ Mar 9 2011, 05:54 AM)
It was a boring game. Both sides played badly by their standards. Plus referee spoiled the game.
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First off all, it was a striker who got sent off.
It didnt made it any easier for us in terms of finding the back of the net since RVP is the highest up the pitch.
And did he do anything of significance before he was sent off?

Btw, the red was really harsh.
But I am from R'dam and I know that RVP is not one person who is able to control his emotions well.
He is like a ticking time bomb. Thank God he didn't get sent off in the 1st half already.

But like I said earlier, it didn't made much difference.
And if RVP wasn't sent off, Konchelny(sp?) would've for that tackle on Villa.

And the clear penalty not given to us in the 1st half..

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wait.
i will give when it's up.

you want HD?
800mb ish?
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SD version should be enough.
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credit to Barca, for me not Messi alone destroyed Arsenal but the whole team.

I mean it is very obvious, Messi alone can destroy any team at his will but he must have a good supporting players beside him.
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Yes, Messi can destroy any team at his will at any moment, this time is not the same,last year messi single- handle destroy arsenal, The Gunners were outclassed by Messi! Messi Scored 4 fantastic goals!

this year is not the same.....messi almost get his hattrick tonite,he only score 2 goals,but the 2 goals is enuf to send arsenal back home smile.gif

and one thing i wanna said is...Arsenal were thoroughly outplayed but the sending off­ was outrageous
about Swiss referee Massimo Busacca...
that was the worst call I've ever seen! I believe Van Persie did not deserve to get a red card on that one but, Barcelona should be up to 2-1 if Ref Called Penalty on Messi foul.

Well....Arsenal Possesion & Zero shots on goal killed your game too bro..
What happened to the attacking & possesion football they are known for ?

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QUOTE(adicolourbl3 @ Mar 9 2011, 07:37 AM)
Yes, Messi can destroy any team at his will at any moment, this time is not the same,last year messi single- handle destroy arsenal, The Gunners were outclassed by Messi! Messi Scored 4 fantastic goals!

this year is not the same.....messi almost get his hattrick tonite,he only score 2 goals,but the 2 goals is enuf to send arsenal back home smile.gif

and one thing i wanna said is...Arsenal were thoroughly outplayed but the sending off­ was outrageous
about Swiss referee Massimo Busacca...
that was the worst call I've ever seen! I believe Van Persie did not deserve to get a red card on that one but, Barcelona should be up to 2-1 if Ref Called Penalty on Messi foul.

Well....Arsenal Possesion & Zero shots on goal killed your game too bro..
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Arsenal try to play defensive and rely on counter attack. But it doesn't go well and i think that sending off was harsh but that is not the reason they lost. i don't know any team can outclassed Barca at the moment. Beat them, maybe but outclassed them? No chance. Anyway, Arsenal lost 4-3 on aggregate is over my expectation, and i'm surprised too when they beat Barca 2 weeks ago. But i don't think 2-1 lead is good enough to carry at Camp Nou. That place is scary.
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Mar 9 2011, 07:44 AM)
Arsenal try to play defensive and rely on counter attack. But it doesn't go well and i think that sending off was harsh but that is not the reason they lost. i don't know any team can outclassed Barca at the moment. Beat them, maybe but outclassed them? No chance. Anyway, Arsenal lost 4-3 on aggregate is over my expectation, and i'm surprised too when they beat Barca 2 weeks ago. But i don't think 2-1 lead is good enough to carry at Camp Nou. That place is scary.
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the 1st bold part is so true.
the 2nd part is not true.
the fans are not as noisy as the ones you find in EPL stadiums.
I think it's scarier to play the 2nd leg in England, anywhere.
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Bro,you are being humble as well.Arsenal lost most probably because they were trying to play a counter-attack game (like what you've said) but it's not really easy to accomplish that especially playing against team that having creative and good dribbling skills players
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 9 2011, 07:52 AM)
the 1st bold part is so true.
the 2nd part is not true.
the fans are not as noisy as the ones you find in EPL stadiums.
I think it's scarier to play the 2nd leg in England, anywhere.
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is it true? Because i only watch at TV, there are reasons people called Emirates as 'The Library'. And i think those Spanish and Italian fans always intimidating with their ultras fan, non-stop singing and chanting (sometime flares too) something that England lacks.


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QUOTE(coolio2199 @ Mar 9 2011, 07:54 AM)
Bro,you are being humble as well.Arsenal lost most probably because they were trying to play a counter-attack game (like what you've said) but it's not really easy to accomplish that especially playing against team that having creative and good dribbling skills players
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I want to take positive thing from this match. Your team will only get better if you face opponent like Barcelona each week, borrowing words from Leyton Orient manager. It is good experience, of course you want to avoid Barca as much as possible to win the cup but the experience facing them is priceless for Arsenal players.

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is it true? Because i only watch at TV, there are reasons people called Emirates as 'The Library'. And i think those Spanish and Italian fans always intimidating with their ultras fan, non-stop singing and chanting (sometime flares too) something that England lacks.

the ultra's are allowed to enter the stadium now since the new president came in but
they are nothing like old times.
in italy yes, they are really scary; inter, lazio, roma they are hardcore.

i love the atmosphere in england.
they keep on singing and clapping.
it makes it so much easier to play(if your'e the home team that is)

so emirates is quiet?
it wasnt quiet the last time we came around..

liverpool is really noisy..
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 9 2011, 08:13 AM)
the ultra's are allowed to enter the stadium now since the new president came in but
they are nothing like old times.
in italy yes, they are really scary; inter, lazio, roma they are hardcore.

i love the atmosphere in england.
they keep on singing and clapping.
it makes it so much easier to play(if your'e the home team that is)

so emirates is quiet?
it wasnt quiet the last time we came around..

liverpool is really noisy..
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As a person that went to several stadiums in England,even as an Arsenal fan I wouldnt deny the Emirates is 'usually' quite quiet bar a few rare cases.Anfield's noise level is good..but funnily I often felt the smaller clubs have better noise level,as in more consistent eg Portsmouth.In the end,it does depends on the occasion for most clubs laugh.gif

If Italy,my fren went to the Roma derby and it horrifies him in terms of the intimidating atmosphere.. tongue.gif
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Holy crap.

"Arsenal made 2 touches in the opposition goal area, compared to a total of 47 by Barcelona"
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mane lalat2 arsenal ni?bisu terus? rclxms.gif
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'lalat2' ni dh abis diskusi pn. Baca balik post2 kat belakang dgn post2 kat Arsenal thread, fans Barca bagi pndapat kat thread Arsenal, Arsenal fans pn bg pendapat kat thread Barca. Masing2 hormat satu sama lain, xde gaduh2 pn.
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Proud of you Barcelona.. shut them up with zero shot on goal..thats really a joke!!!!
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Proud of you Barcelona.. shut them up with zero shot on goal..thats really a joke!!!!
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I am proud too but dont be so confident.
We still havent won anything yet.
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Mar 9 2011, 10:02 AM)
'lalat2' ni dh abis diskusi pn. Baca balik post2 kat belakang dgn post2 kat Arsenal thread, fans Barca bagi pndapat kat thread Arsenal, Arsenal fans pn bg pendapat kat thread Barca. Masing2 hormat satu sama lain, xde gaduh2 pn.
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 9 2011, 07:28 AM)
Not a threat at all.
I was really surprised..

It really should've been more than 5 goals if they didn't try to be so cute lol


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wait.
i will give when it's up.

you want HD?
800mb ish?


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First off all, it was a striker who got sent off.
It didnt made it any easier for us in terms of finding the back of the net since RVP is the highest up the pitch.
And did he do anything of significance before he was sent off?

Btw, the red was really harsh.
But I am from R'dam and I know that RVP is not one person who is able to control his emotions well.
He is like a ticking time bomb. Thank God he didn't get sent off in the 1st half already.

But like I said earlier, it didn't made much difference.
And if RVP wasn't sent off, Konchelny(sp?) would've for that tackle on Villa.

And the clear penalty not given to us in the 1st half..
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this thing happened
we just have to accept its part of the game
I dont know whether you guys knew or not
in real madrid match against espanyol
casillas was sent off in 2 minutes into the game which in replay shows no contact at all
but they suck it up and go try win the game and they did
did arsenal even tried to attack yesterday?
i dont think so
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didnt watch the game, but my housemate (arsenal fan) said it was all barca. no shot from arsenal. the possesion was 90% to barca. hence, barca is the rightful winnah.

p/s: blaming referee among fans is a trend atm.
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i feel in love with Mascherano after this game..  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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Don't target anybody la bro. myhotgary just stated his opinion when he said Masch played bad. He was not saying Masch was a bad player for Barca. IMHO Masch did look clueless in numerous matches before. Yes he could get his trademark tackles in, but in Barca people people expect other other quality from DM too. Its good that Masch finally seems to be getting better game by game. It should not be a reason to target the critics back.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Mar 9 2011, 04:36 PM)
Don't target anybody la bro. myhotgary just stated his opinion when he said Masch played bad. He was not saying Masch was a bad player for Barca. IMHO Masch did look clueless in numerous matches before. Yes he could get his trademark tackles in, but in Barca people people expect other other quality from DM too. Its good that Masch finally seems to be getting better game by game. It should not be a reason to target the critics back.
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if mascherano keeps playing like this saving barcelona i think he will be a hero for barca and what happened to puyol is his knee really bad?
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a very good game. at start it was pretty boring that there wasn't much attack. after 40mins it was all magic biggrin.gif iniesta is invaluable!
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hi guys, any highlights?
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hi guys, any highlights?
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhgwr3_ba...port#from=embed
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I iz sad, because of so much emphasize is on the ref, when Arsenal have only themselves to blame for their defeat.

"Arsenal failed to muster a single shot at Camp Nou as they were eliminated 4-3 on aggregate, the first time a team has failed to do so since Opta's Champions League records began in 2003."

sos from soccernet.

They cry for van Persie's sending off, when in fact he was utterly useless when he was on. They said his sending off changed the game, so why oh why he didn't changed the game in Arsenal's favour when he was ON THE FIELD? He had 56th minute to do that. Zero shot on goal, against a heavily rotated back line, what a way to show your presence on the field as forward.

Maybe they should learn from Hercules on how to counter attack us in Camp Nou, and take Nelson Valdes as their main cikgu. But nvm, I don't think Arsenal need tips from a poor club from an inferior league compared to theirs. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Mar 9 2011, 06:55 PM)
I iz sad, because of so much emphasize is on the ref, when Arsenal have only themselves to blame for their defeat.

"Arsenal failed to muster a single shot at Camp Nou as they were eliminated 4-3 on aggregate, the first time a team has failed to do so since Opta's Champions League records began in 2003."

sos from soccernet.

They cry for van Persie's sending off, when in fact he was utterly useless when he was on. They said his sending off changed the game, so why oh why he didn't changed the game in Arsenal's favour when he was ON THE FIELD? He had 56th minute to do that. Zero shot on goal, against a heavily rotated back line, what a way to show your presence on the field as forward.

Maybe they should learn from Hercules on how to counter attack us in Camp Nou, and take Nelson Valdes as their main cikgu. But nvm, I don't think Arsenal need tips from a poor club from an inferior league compared to theirs. rolleyes.gif
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zero shot on goal,yes.because it was clear that we're there to defend our lead.yes,we have ourselves to blame because some of the players didn't even show the passion to get something out of the game.

BUT

had busacca sent off abidal for his choke on RVP,what do you think the result will be?we had diaby sent off for choking barton during 4-4 game against newcastle.how on earth busacca didn't sent abidal off for that violent conduct?and fyi,we contained with barca's attack very well until cesc's backheel to iniesta.it took a careless mistake for barca to score a goal.

after the second half begin,we gained our momentum,just like at the emirates and hence,the own goal by busquet.if you're saying that RVP was useless,think again.the first half we were only sit back and defend.the second half we begin to attack.or else how on earth RVP entered the offside position if we didn't attack?



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Before Abidal touched van Persie, they were arguing over a tackle (I forgot who received it). They both argued, so both players would get cards, not just Abidal. Don't be too biased here. You can never know what words came out during that argument. Van Persie also played his part during the argument. Not just Abidal.

You said Arsenal gain their momentum just because Nasri dribbled on the left flank on his own, only to be surrounded by Abidal (iinm) and Masch, and no support to look for, and just get a corner? Arsenal was never in the game dude. Arsenal fared a lot poorer than the likes of Hercules, Sporting and Villareal, who gave us a game in Camp Nou. At least they registered shots, and gave us scares.
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QUOTE(devis87 @ Mar 9 2011, 07:36 PM)
Seriously stop saying u guys lost because of the damn red card. We have our "supposed to be 2-0" goal disallowed during the 1st leg that will prob kill all ur players confidence and we nvr complain bout the referee helping arsenal. Lots of you are saying abidal should get a red as well. Well just give him a red if u guys think it's a right thing to do. But can u even defend VP from tat red card? He should've gotten it RIGHT after he pushed alvis and his elbow. Ur "u know who" player would have another red for tat smart ass back tackle but the referee didn't do that. Just move on and improve ur game.. Your players are still young and have lots of room for improvement.

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if he didn't got choked by abidal,he wouldn't react by shoving alves.he was clearly pissed off by that incident.

we're moving on but some of you can't stop looking down on us by keep on saying that barcelona was superior.f*ck that.we won against you at the emirates.and we contained with your attack for the first 45 minutes at nou camp.how is that more superior?yes,your players got the skill.the passing was flawless but we still manage to absorb the pressure from you.at least show us some respect.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Mar 9 2011, 07:42 PM)
Before Abidal touched van Persie, they were arguing over a tackle (I forgot who received it). They both argued, so both players would get cards, not just Abidal. Don't be too biased here. You can never know what words came out during that argument. Van Persie also played his part during the argument. Not just Abidal.

You said Arsenal gain their momentum just because Nasri dribbled on the left flank on his own, only to be surrounded by Abidal (iinm) and Masch, and no support to look for, and just get a corner? Arsenal was never in the game dude. Arsenal fared a lot poorer than the likes of Hercules, Sporting and Villareal, who gave us a game in Camp Nou. At least they registered shots, and gave us scares.
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it was masch on jack.both argued but did you see RVP choked abidal back?at least during that moment,RVP still able to handle his temper by not choke/punch/shove abidal back.

what can you see from the first 10 minutes of the second half?nasri did dribbled on his own.if the rest 45 minutes was still 11 on 11,we might be able to have some shots on goal.in fact after the introduction of bendtner and arshavin,our attack looks more promising.
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QUOTE(sickx @ Mar 9 2011, 07:49 PM)
if he didn't got choked by abidal,he wouldn't react by shoving alves.he was clearly pissed off by that incident.

we're moving on but some of you can't stop looking down on us by keep on saying that barcelona was superior.f*ck that.we won against you at the emirates.and we contained with your attack for the first 45 minutes at nou camp.how is that more superior?yes,your players got the skill.the passing was flawless but we still manage to absorb the pressure from you.at least show us some respect.
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You just have to relax dude. I don't mean to belittle Arsenal. Honestly I don't.

But the fact is the match stat read something like this:

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Which very very clearly showed clear domination by Barca, even unbelievable for ourselves. As I mentioned, even Nelson Valdes and his Hercules did a lot lot lot more better than Arsenal.

And when you come here suggesting that our first goal was just purely the result of Cesc mistake, I think we have the right to be pissed off. Why don't you think its the result of our brilliant way of pressuring opponents right in their own half? If we fail to score from Cesc mistake, what make you so sure we couldn't score another goal, like the second we scored?

This involve a lot of 'what if', an argument filled with speculation and theories. The argument that you guys might fell apart even if you were playing 11 players, like how we score the first goal, may be applicable too. Its just that you guys decided to turn blind on this argument, because it suits you guys lesser.

So this argument about referee is pointless, because it involves something might or might not have happened. The fact is, Arsenal played poor, and Barca deserve to go through.

QUOTE(sickx @ Mar 9 2011, 07:57 PM)
it was masch on jack.both argued but did you see RVP choked abidal back?at least during that moment,RVP still able to handle his temper by not choke/punch/shove abidal back.

what can you see from the first 10 minutes of the second half?nasri did dribbled on his own.if the rest 45 minutes was still 11 on 11,we might be able to have some shots on goal.in fact after the introduction of bendtner and arshavin,our attack looks more promising.
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BOTH argued, so BOTH deserve a yellow.

And more "might be" argument eh.


Added on March 9, 2011, 8:14 pmOh, and please note that I've NEVER brought out Ref's mistake against us over these two legs, because I honestly feel discussing on Refs' performance is pointless. I really do.

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You just have to relax dude. I don't mean to belittle Arsenal. Honestly I don't.

But the fact is the match stat read something like this:

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Which very very clearly showed clear domination by Barca, even unbelievable for ourselves. As I mentioned, even Nelson Valdes and his Hercules did a lot lot lot more better than Arsenal.

And when you come here suggesting that our first goal was just purely the result of Cesc mistake, I think we have the right to be pissed off. Why don't you think its the result of our brilliant way of pressuring opponents right in their own half? If we fail to score from Cesc mistake, what make you so sure we couldn't score another goal, like the second we scored?

This involve a lot of 'what if', an argument filled with speculation and theories. The argument that you guys might fell apart even if you were playing 11 players, like how we score the first goal, may be applicable too. Its just that you guys decided to turn blind on this argument, because it suits you guys lesser.

So this argument about referee is pointless, because it involves something might or might not have happened. The fact is, Arsenal played poor, and Barca deserve to go through.
BOTH argued, so BOTH deserve a yellow.

And more "might be" argument eh.


Added on March 9, 2011, 8:14 pmOh, and please note that I've NEVER brought out Ref's mistake against us over these two legs, because I honestly feel discussing on Refs' performance is pointless. I really do.
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the 'what if' and 'might be' argument came up because during the first leg we're able to win.we know how to win against barca and we know we can do it again.but it didn't happened.

both argued,both deserve a yellow.i agree.you wanna say we turn blind on the fact that we played poor,why you turn blind on the fact that abidal choked RVP?

i will stop my argument here since one of my respected senior in AST already asked us to stop talking about the game.all the best for your future games.
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lol sickx stop,theyre oscars winner,stop arguing with em
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ops pardon me.its european champ act.
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QUOTE(devis87 @ Mar 9 2011, 01:24 PM)
i feel in love with Mascherano after this game..  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 9 2011, 03:06 PM)
im waiting for myhotgary's take on Mascherano's performance.lol.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Mar 9 2011, 04:36 PM)
Don't target anybody la bro. myhotgary just stated his opinion when he said Masch played bad. He was not saying Masch was a bad player for Barca. IMHO Masch did look clueless in numerous matches before. Yes he could get his trademark tackles in, but in Barca people people expect other other quality from DM too. Its good that Masch finally seems to be getting better game by game. It should not be a reason to target the critics back.
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 9 2011, 04:41 PM)
no la. he knows that im joking.
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Dang barca96 must be thinking about me again during the match. But seriously that was a very thrilling match with its ups and downs (eg own goal) but at the end of the day, we scraped thru with oni 1 goal agg.
And bro matyrze made my point, but yeah i know you're joking. And i can only be happy as masch integrates into the team. He had a good match last night, full stop.
One thing that tells, besides the quality of the individual, is the ability of pep to train players to play football the barca way.
I read somewhere back where people said pep man management is lacking, but i say no.
What happens at barca is always team spirit and humility. If u dun have that (ibra/etoo) or if u dun put in enough effort (chygry), then there will hardly be a place in the team for u. No player is bigger than the team.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Mar 9 2011, 06:55 PM)
I iz sad, because of so much emphasize is on the ref, when Arsenal have only themselves to blame for their defeat.

"Arsenal failed to muster a single shot at Camp Nou as they were eliminated 4-3 on aggregate, the first time a team has failed to do so since Opta's Champions League records began in 2003."

sos from soccernet.

They cry for van Persie's sending off, when in fact he was utterly useless when he was on. They said his sending off changed the game, so why oh why he didn't changed the game in Arsenal's favour when he was ON THE FIELD? He had 56th minute to do that. Zero shot on goal, against a heavily rotated back line, what a way to show your presence on the field as forward.

Maybe they should learn from Hercules on how to counter attack us in Camp Nou, and take Nelson Valdes as their main cikgu. But nvm, I don't think Arsenal need tips from a poor club from an inferior league compared to theirs. rolleyes.gif
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It bears remembering though, that the high pressing of Barcelona means that they can tire out a bit after the 70th minute. That's when Arsenal got their goals at the Grove.

Van Persie was below par with holding up the ball, but that's not just his fault, but Arsenal relying on too many direct passes in tight situations.

But this does not preclude anything.

It is vital to remember that winning with less shots on goals is a common occurrance.

But yes, Arsenal must take it on the chin. Tactically a bit off.

As for taking tips from Hercules, not that we don't need tips, but if you watch Arsenal enough you'd know that van Persie is good at holding the ball up and building play with diagonals to running wingers or short passes forward to advancing midfielders. Judging from one game would result from an entirely flawed conclusion.

Opinion: Mascherano might be remembered from his sacrificial dash back to tackle Bendtner (who gifted him with a heavy, heavy first touch), but his passing throughout was very helpful to Arsenal.


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QUOTE(devis87 @ Mar 9 2011, 10:01 PM)
see that? respect?  thats bpl fans for u biggrin.gif
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Stereotyping a set of fans does not reflect well on your moral fibre either.

Stop this "BPL fan" bullshit. In fact, I'd like to shoot the next person who calls it the BPL.

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waste my time stay up
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trust me,
unlike fans of BPL's team,this bunch of barcelona fans only watch barca's game during UCL only,
watch La Liga game ?vs real,else ?vs valencia,deportivo la coruna,athletico madrid?i dont think so
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Why cant u all just accept that u lose? rclxub.gif
It doesnt matter how you lose..
"You just lose"
Even if the ref kick the ball into ur net, laugh.gif
a decision is a decision..it cannot be altered anymore..
just accept the fact that ur team are not lucky enough and lose.
And if u want to discuss about ref, arsenal thread is over there ------> doh.gif
Dont come here saying that ref biased,abidal should be red carded.
We already watch the game. For god sake we dont need any more comentator. shocking.gif
Focus more on your upcoming game, u got m.u to face..

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QUOTE(devis87 @ Mar 9 2011, 10:32 PM)
Neh..tats what i meant..here comes another top 3 BPL team's troll. Eii wait.."they" are #4.. : tongue.gif  icon_idea.gif
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Well, he made his personal opinions known, that's not trolling. You can just as well disagree by arguing what made the game good for you. Your first reply however, was a personal attack.

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Why cant u all just accept that u lose? rclxub.gif
It doesnt matter how you lose..
"You just lose"
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The bolded line is bullshit. It does matter how you lose.

Don't have time for "fans" who only look at scorelines. Some people actually watch the football, you know.

Discussing the match does not mean not accepting the results.

QUOTE(fwhoam @ Mar 10 2011, 12:11 AM)
Even if the ref kick the ball into ur net, laugh.gif
a decision is a decision..it cannot be altered anymore..
just accept the fact that ur team are not lucky enough and lose.
And if u want to discuss about ref, arsenal thread is over there ------> doh.gif
Dont come here saying that ref biased,abidal should be red carded.
We already watch the game. For god sake we dont need any more comentator.  shocking.gif
Focus more on your upcoming game, u got m.u to face..
I believe forums are for discussions and airing of personal opinions, which we are doing here. If you disagree with any of the opinions of the general run-of-play then that may consequently be written. Nothing wrong with discussing it here if it is in reply to posts here. Barcelona was in the match too, you know.

I reply on here because I disagree with some people's view of Barca's position in the game, which in my opinion would not necessarily have stood until the end of the game where Arsenal's stamina from less vigourous pressing may have helped, as well as the introduction of perhaps less experienced subs.

If you feel more comments are not needed then ignore them according to your needs.
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QUOTE(minority @ Mar 10 2011, 12:25 AM)
Well, he made his personal opinions known, that's not trolling. You can just as well disagree by arguing what made the game good for you. Your first reply however, was a personal attack.
The bolded line is bullshit. It does matter how you lose.

Don't have time for "fans" who only look at scorelines. Some people actually watch the football, you know.

Discussing the match does not mean not accepting the results.
I believe forums are for discussions and airing of personal opinions, which we are doing here. If you disagree with any of the opinions of the general run-of-play then that may consequently be written. Nothing wrong with discussing it here if it is in reply to posts here. Barcelona was in the match too, you know.

I reply on here because I disagree with some people's view of Barca's position in the game, which in my opinion would not necessarily have stood until the end of the game where Arsenal's stamina from less vigourous pressing may have helped, as well as the introduction of perhaps less experienced subs.

If you feel more comments are not needed then ignore them according to your needs.
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What im trying to say is stop blaming the ref already.
If u want to discus ok, but blaming the ref is other thing.
Ref is also human, they do make mistake.
It just not ur lucky day.
I really respect arsenal, just some "fans" that think they are smarter. Not only arsenal fan, but barca fans also.
No offense.

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QUOTE(devis87 @ Mar 10 2011, 12:43 AM)
LOL so this is his personal opinion? not trolling?? i replied to that so den it was a personal attack? Dude..ur cute  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
Fact is u guys lost even with referee's help (disallowed goal) on the first leg and we nvr complain. So just suck it up.
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When we lose they start bashing us,
When we win they also start bashing us?
Just accept the fact that ur team lose..
End of story.
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trust me,
unlike fans of BPL's team,this bunch of barcelona fans only watch barca's game during UCL only,
watch La Liga game ?vs real,else ?vs valencia,deportivo la coruna,athletico madrid?i dont think so
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i will try to watch as many la liga match as possible, you have to understand.....the match is at 2-3am......can you watch every epl match at 2-3am???
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well i missed less than 5 barca games this season due to exam/works.
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i watch every barca game after my daughter born , because she always crying on midnight . best alarm clock in the world smile.gif
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im waiting for myhotgary's take on Mascherano's performance.lol.
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hey guys do u know mascherano is 1 of the best defensive midfielder in the world? and he is a better player than sergio busquet...

give him time,when he's into our system,he will be monster!


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hey guys do u know mascherano is 1 of the best defensive midfielder in the world? and he is a better player than sergio busquet...

give him time,when he's into our system,he will be monster!
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they are different player. u cant compare them. nevertheless masch is great last night
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Some interesting facts;

-Valdes (11) completed yesterday more passes than Nasri (8), Van Persie (7) and Arshavin (5)

-Most completed passes >
Barcelona: Xavi 108 - Iniesta 100 - Alves 84
Arsenal: Wilshere 25 - Clichy 24 - Koscielny 22
via uefa.com


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When we lose they start bashing us,
When we win they also start bashing us?
Just accept the fact that ur team lose..
End of story.
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yeah. exactly.
i didn't know that till recently.
i dont go online that often so i just found that out.
it's really strange, they love to hate on FCB.
looks like jealousy to me.

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http://yfrog.com/h6bkdvtj

Im really disappointed at the current generation of the Dutch since the 2000 era started.
That was RvP btw

ps.can someone edit it in for me please.
keeps on saying its invalid

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Im really disappointed at the current generation of the Dutch since the 2000 era started.
That was RvP btw

ps.can someone edit it in for me please.
keeps on saying its invalid
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i found a video version of that

http://vimeo.com/20825839

ouch!
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Guys, avoid focusing on ref's mistakes. As I said it's not worth discussing. Even after the first leg, I think we had done remarkably for not discussing over an incident. Only barca96, minority and Angel of Deth were involved in the discussion, and heck it wasn't a long discussion. We acknowledge that our team was wasteful, because we were simply wasteful and ineffective.

This is football. Just accept that ref's incompetency (or idiocy, whatever you prefer) can affect both sides. After all it's obvious that which team were the better performer. Just highlight that.

Note: Some may misinterpret this again, so I stress again, that I said the better performer, not the better team.


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Ibra literally went missing again last nite despite claiming himself as the world best player   doh.gif  doh.gif
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This is another misinterpretation.

I read this headline in Goal.com, but when I read the article, Ibra actually said he has the confidence that he is among the best player, and it is important to have that mentality to succeed. It was not like he said he is the best, better than Messi. He was only stressing on his strong mentality. I don't think that's wrong. Self belief is a must for top football player, its just the way they show their confidence differ.

Nowadays, a lot of words can get twisted very easily. Just read interviews whenever you can, because it can provide complete explanation on certain statement made by the player. There's any chance that nearly every news pieces are BS.

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QUOTE(matyrze @ Mar 10 2011, 12:39 PM)
Guys, avoid focusing on ref's mistakes. As I said it's not worth discussing. Even after the first leg, I think we had done remarkably for not discussing over an incident. Only barca96, minority and Angel of Deth were involved in the discussion, and heck it wasn't a long discussion. We acknowledge that our team was wasteful, because we were simply wasteful and ineffective.

This is football. Just accept that ref's incompetency (or idiocy, whatever you prefer) can affect both sides. After all it's obvious that which team were the better performer. Just highlight that.
That what im try to stressed in the first place. doh.gif
Ref if some kind of incompetence. sweat.gif
But life must go on. laugh.gif
Just accept the lose.
Better luck next time
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did u even know the news heh champs? brows.gif

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haha...damn match their face expression...XD

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President suspended over village team bid for Barcelona's Lionel Messi

A bid to sign Barcelona's Lionel Messi has led to the suspension of the president of a French village side. Cédric Enjolras, the president of FC Borne, a second division team in the Haute-Loire league, made the official offer to Barcelona this week. It may have been a joke but the French Football Federation has failed to see the funny side.

Borne, who are based in a village of 400 inhabitants, were looking to add the 2009 and 2010 world player of the year to their ranks but were blocked by France's governing body. The transfer offer was intercepted by the player registration office of the FFF, which refused to submit it to the Spanish FA. Although Barcelona were not exactly likely to accept the bid, they were denied the opportunity to even read it.

But the killjoys did not stop there. Enjolras has been suspended from his position for six months.

"One cannot accept such behaviour. It is perhaps a joke but we are here to judge the facts," said Yves Begon, the head of the FFF registration office.

Enjolras, bemused by the FFF's lack of proportion, explained what had happened: "To submit bids among small clubs, you need to fill out forms on the internet. I decided to register a bid so I typed the name Lionel Messi, his date of birth and his parent club into the system. Then the league transmitted the request to the federation. They were shocked by it and refused to send it to their Spanish counterparts. I have been suspended for six months, of which three are suspended. It was just a joke, to amuse friends.

"I'm going to have spend three months in the bar."

Every cloud has a silver lining.

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When a Football Manager player applied for the Middlesbrough job

Back in 2006, when Steve McClaren left Middlesbrough to begin his ill-fated stint as England manager, a 25-year-old armed with vast experience in the highly addictive and cripplingly detailed Football Manager video game and a brief spell in charge of a real-life Under-11 team decided to apply for the vacant position. John Boileau was working through a list of things he wanted to do before he turned 30 (which would even earn him a write-up on the BBC) when he sent a brilliant letter to Middlesbrough chairman Steve Gibson declaring his interest and qualifications for the job at the then Premier League side. And he got an equally brilliant response form Gibson himself.
The supremely excellent Letters of Note reminded us of this bit of delightfulness by republishing their correspondence, which you can see right this way...





At the time, Boileau concluded that Middlesbrough and Steve Gibson "are ace" and I have to agree. From Boileau stating his "very reasonable" desired starting wage of £80,000 to Gibson concluding his letter by saying, "We consider it a sign of our progress that someone of your status could consider us," this whole exchange is evidence of the wonderful things that can happen when people have a sense of humor.
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How about that?

ps. do we put the quote in bracket at the start and end or ??

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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 11 2011, 01:14 AM)
When a Football Manager player applied for the Middlesbrough job

Back in 2006, when Steve McClaren left Middlesbrough to begin his ill-fated stint as England manager, a 25-year-old armed with vast experience in the highly addictive and cripplingly detailed Football Manager video game and a brief spell in charge of a real-life Under-11 team decided to apply for the vacant position. John Boileau was working through a list of things he wanted to do before he turned 30 (which would even earn him a write-up on the BBC) when he sent a brilliant letter to Middlesbrough chairman Steve Gibson declaring his interest and qualifications for the job at the then Premier League side. And he got an equally brilliant response form Gibson himself. 
The supremely excellent Letters of Note reminded us of this bit of delightfulness by republishing their correspondence, which you can see right this way...
At the time, Boileau concluded that Middlesbrough and Steve Gibson "are ace" and I have to agree. From Boileau stating his "very reasonable" desired starting wage of £80,000 to Gibson concluding his letter by saying, "We consider it a sign of our progress that someone of your status could consider us," this whole exchange is evidence of the wonderful things that can happen when people have a sense of humor.
Related: Nonsense


How about that?

ps. do we put the quote in bracket at the start and end or ??
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Start AND end.

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WTF!?
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who knows if messi really wanna join tongue.gif
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Lol, they just want to make their club famous laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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the president thought he play FM ... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Ken @ Mar 11 2011, 02:06 PM)
the president thought he play FM ... laugh.gif
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At least the president should reveal how much money he put in the website, so that we can estimate market value for Messi. So far we never receive official offer from any club for Messi right? Only Moratti has made occasional noises.
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Added on March 11, 2011, 6:01 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmoeiWgavHg&feature=youtu.be

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QUOTE(devis87 @ Mar 10 2011, 12:43 AM)
LOL so this is his personal opinion? not trolling?? i replied to that so den it was a personal attack? Dude..ur cute  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
Fact is u guys lost even with referee's help (disallowed goal) on the first leg and we nvr complain. So just suck it up.
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Nope, not trolling really. You could simply reply something like: "I disagree that it was a boring match. Passes were great etc. etc"

Instead, your reply was:

QUOTE(devis87 @ Mar 9 2011, 10:32 PM)
Neh..tats what i meant..here comes another top 3 BPL team's troll. Eii wait.."they" are #4.. : tongue.gif  icon_idea.gif
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He made his opinions known about the match, which did not include any criticism of Barca or Arsenal, nor any personal attacks.

Your reply was to attack him as a "top 3 BPL team's troll". You could have argued his opinions but you chose to go personal instead.

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Sorry for clogging your thread, but again, I feel like too many people get personal too quick.

As before, within the context of the result, I agree that Barca's performance was much better, but I was here to refute the contention made by some posters that the result would have certainly been the same if van Persie was not sent off. After all, Arsenal was playing at a slower pace and hoping for a late counter-attack, just like the first leg. The tactic was definitely blunted by the red card.

I am not blaming the ref, nor am I saying that if the red card was not served, Arsenal would definitely have won. I am saying that nothing was a foregone conclusion. Even if Barca continued to dominate, there was always a chance that the counter-attacking strategy would've paid dividends. Dani Alves' late mistake is proof that complete concentration is hard to maintain for 90 minutes even for the best players and that was what Arsenal was obviously banking on.

Apologies if anyone is annoyed by this subject being brought up again, but I discuss this without getting personal with anyone nor in an abrasive manner and discussion is free.
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QUOTE(minority @ Mar 12 2011, 12:24 AM)
Nope, not trolling really. You could simply reply something like: "I disagree that it was a boring match. Passes were great etc. etc"

Instead, your reply was:
He made his opinions known about the match, which did not include any criticism of Barca or Arsenal, nor any personal attacks.

Your reply was to attack him as a "top 3 BPL team's troll". You could have argued his opinions but you chose to go personal instead.

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Sorry for clogging your thread, but again, I feel like too many people get personal too quick.

As before, within the context of the result, I agree that Barca's performance was much better, but I was here to refute the contention made by some posters that the result would have certainly been the same if van Persie was not sent off. After all, Arsenal was playing at a slower pace and hoping for a late counter-attack, just like the first leg. The tactic was definitely blunted by the red card.

I am not blaming the ref, nor am I saying that if the red card was not served, Arsenal would definitely have won. I am saying that nothing was a foregone conclusion. Even if Barca continued to dominate, there was always a chance that the counter-attacking strategy would've paid dividends. Dani Alves' late mistake is proof that complete concentration is hard to maintain for 90 minutes even for the best players and that was what Arsenal was obviously banking on.

Apologies if anyone is annoyed by this subject being brought up again, but I discuss this without getting personal with anyone nor in an abrasive manner and discussion is free.
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I feel the same way.
I was called a troll too on the Arsenal side and I didn't even though I didn't even make fun of them or what?
All I did was disagree with their opinions.
I have a long reply for an Arsenal fan who disagreed with my opinion but Ive been holding back cos
I dont want to be called a troll or any kind of names.

I dont understand why some fans here take it so seriously.
Im new to this forum, so I thought we could have a healthy discussion.
Heck I am an Ajax fan, lived in Rotterdam, and yet we could get along and talk about the teams without getting so serious
but they are more serious here.
The way some comments fly around here, it looks like it's goal.com.
Most of us here I believe are M'sians so why the need to fight over a team that has no attachements to us?
Jsut have fun.
We are all fans but we still can talk as long as you dont get personal.
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QUOTE(minority @ Mar 12 2011, 12:24 AM)
As before, within the context of the result, I agree that Barca's performance was much better, but I was here to refute the contention made by some posters that the result would have certainly been the same if van Persie was not sent off. After all, Arsenal was playing at a slower pace and hoping for a late counter-attack, just like the first leg. The tactic was definitely blunted by the red card.

I am not blaming the ref, nor am I saying that if the red card was not served, Arsenal would definitely have won. I am saying that nothing was a foregone conclusion. Even if Barca continued to dominate, there was always a chance that the counter-attacking strategy would've paid dividends. Dani Alves' late mistake is proof that complete concentration is hard to maintain for 90 minutes even for the best players and that was what Arsenal was obviously banking on.
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I've no problem with you posting, but, you see, this post is heavy with 'what-if' theme.

What if van Persie was not sent off? Maybe Arsenal's counterattack became more effective...

but...

maybe our domination for the first 56th minute (we were playing 11vs11, remember) went on for another 34 minutes, and Barca might also score 2 more goals as well.

What if Barca indeed could score another goal after Busi's own goal? Maybe Arsenal's catenaccio may serve Arsenal well...

but...

maybe Messi could score another goal. Remember, for all Arsenal fans' attempt to hype up Arsenal's defensive gameplay, we already breached that defense of yours once, when you guys still had 11 players. We might do that again.

What if Barca defenders made several lapse of concentration? Maybe Arsenal could take advantage...

but...

maybe Masch might as well pull up several other heroic feats. And this also depends on how really effective Arsenal's counterattack, because based on what Arsenal showed for the first 56th minutes I was not really convinced. As I said before, a host of Spanish clubs have done a hell lot better than Arsenal did, and many of them didn't have to wait until 56th minute to show their effectiveness while to counterattack.

You can speculate all you want on the referee and the sending off. But in the end it all boil down to who were actually performed better, and who actually had the luck, and who actually showed they wanted it more.

According to the stat, we performed better, and that may also be the case if you watch the match. We had a few of luck with our shooting, but we have luck with the sending off. We have also proved that we wanted it more, as evidence by our attacking nature. Furthermore Almunia also pointed out the lack of spirit of among Arsenal players. You see, this was not said by the 'disrespectful scums' like Xavi, Puyol, Pique, Pep, Rosell, Laporta or Jimmy Jump. This was the words of a Arsenal player. So this is why Pep said "The only way they can grow is to think about the bad things they have done and improve."

Arsenal performance was so under par, that Arsenal ought to improve from it. And I'm not saying that Arsenal is inferior team to Barca, I just say Barca played performed better than Arsenal. Don't misinterpret me here.

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Puyol is set to miss another game doh.gif doh.gif I thought he was near to full fitness, since there was some hope he would be able to participate in Arsenal game.


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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 12 2011, 01:23 AM)
I feel the same way.
I was called a troll too on the Arsenal side and I didn't even though I didn't even make fun of them or what?
All I did was disagree with their opinions.
I have a long reply for an Arsenal fan who disagreed with my opinion but Ive been holding back cos
I dont want to be called a troll or any kind of names.

I dont understand why some fans here take it so seriously.
Im new to this forum, so I thought we could have a healthy discussion.
Heck I am an Ajax fan, lived in Rotterdam, and yet we could get along and talk about the teams without getting so serious
but they are more serious here.
The way some comments fly around here, it looks like it's goal.com.
Most of us here I believe are M'sians so why the need to fight over a team that has no attachements to us?
Jsut have fun.
We are all fans but we still can talk as long as you dont get personal.
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Bro barca96, I've posted in Arsenal thread once, and I completely understand what you went through laugh.gif You want some good replies to your opinion? You may try Liverpool thread. Haven't tried much with Man Utd and Chelsea thread though.

Not generalizing any set of fans, but those are just my internet experience tongue.gif

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anyway..i'm just smile this morning.... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Mar 13 2011, 10:19 AM)
I've no problem with you posting, but, you see, this post is heavy with 'what-if' theme.

What if van Persie was not sent off? Maybe Arsenal's counterattack became more effective...

but...

maybe our domination for the first 56th minute (we were playing 11vs11, remember) went on for another 34 minutes, and Barca might also score 2 more goals as well.

What if Barca indeed could score another goal after Busi's own goal? Maybe Arsenal's catenaccio may serve Arsenal well...

but...

maybe Messi could score another goal. Remember, for all Arsenal fans' attempt to hype up Arsenal's defensive gameplay, we already breached that defense of yours once, when you guys still had 11 players. We might do that again.

What if Barca defenders made several lapse of concentration? Maybe Arsenal could take advantage...

but...

maybe Masch might as well pull up several other heroic feats. And this also depends on how really effective Arsenal's counterattack, because based on what Arsenal showed for the first 56th minutes I was not really convinced. As I said before, a host of Spanish clubs have done a hell lot better than Arsenal did, and many of them didn't have to wait until 56th minute to show their effectiveness while to counterattack.

You can speculate all you want on the referee and the sending off. But in the end it all boil down to who were actually performed better, and who actually had the luck, and who actually showed they wanted it more.

According to the stat, we performed better, and that may also be the case if you watch the match. We had a few of luck with our shooting, but we have luck with the sending off. We have also proved that we wanted it more, as evidence by our attacking nature. Furthermore Almunia also pointed out the lack of spirit of among Arsenal players. You see, this was not said by the 'disrespectful scums' like Xavi, Puyol, Pique, Pep, Rosell, Laporta or Jimmy Jump. This was the words of a Arsenal player. So this is why Pep said "The only way they can grow is to think about the bad things they have done and improve."

Arsenal performance was so under par, that Arsenal ought to improve from it. And I'm not saying that Arsenal is inferior team to Barca, I just say Barca played performed better than Arsenal. Don't misinterpret me here.

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Puyol is set to miss another game doh.gif doh.gif I thought he was near to full fitness, since there was some hope he would be able to participate in Arsenal game.


Added on March 13, 2011, 10:32 am

Bro barca96, I've posted in Arsenal thread once, and I completely understand what you went through laugh.gif You want some good replies to your opinion? You may try Liverpool thread. Haven't tried much with Man Utd  and Chelsea thread though.

Not generalizing any set of fans, but those are just my internet experience tongue.gif
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Try to post in United thread. It should be fine, IMO.

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BUt we have nothing to post there laugh.gif
And maybe you guys are in a buoyant mood now
since you guys defeated Arsenal hehe
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damn, i can't stop laughing at the valdes clip. genius... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 12 2011, 01:23 AM)
I dont understand why some fans here take it so seriously.
Im new to this forum, so I thought we could have a healthy discussion.
Heck I am an Ajax fan, lived in Rotterdam, and yet we could get along and talk about the teams without getting so serious
but they are more serious here.
The way some comments fly around here, it looks like it's goal.com.
Most of us here I believe are M'sians so why the need to fight over a team that has no attachements to us?
Jsut have fun.
We are all fans but we still can talk as long as you dont get personal.
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haha s a man utd fan who still interested with la liga,,,i s one of the few here never want 2 b 2 personal in football...i guess is malaysia subculture 4 most football fans here 2 bcum super sore losers that dont have balls 2 man up n take the lose up their ass...hence they bcum 2 serious just 2 find place 2 rant their hearts out...so do cut them some slack will ya laugh.gif besides man utd,,,i also use 2 like real during the figo/zidane/the brazil ronaldo era...now i side barca more 4 the messi era even if my C RONALDO n kaka is not in barca laugh.gif

since u r rotterdamians,,,then i think u still remember the historic 10-0 mauling of feyenoord until their website got offline bcoz somebody just pull the plug out laugh.gif not really avid 4lower of holland eredivisie but the 10-0 score is a big thing special rarity 4 sure yo rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Mar 13 2011, 01:19 PM)
haha s a man utd fan who still interested with la liga,,,i s one of the few here never want 2 b 2 personal in football...i guess is malaysia subculture 4 most football fans here 2 bcum super sore losers that dont have balls 2 man up n take the lose up their ass...hence they bcum 2 serious just 2 find place 2 rant their hearts out...so do cut them some slack will ya laugh.gif besides man utd,,,i also use 2 like real during the figo/zidane/the brazil ronaldo era...now i side barca more 4 the messi era even if my C RONALDO n kaka is not in barca laugh.gif

since u r rotterdamians,,,then i think u still remember the historic 10-0 mauling of feyenoord until their website got offline bcoz somebody just pull the plug out laugh.gif not really avid 4lower of holland eredivisie but the 10-0 score is a big thing special rarity 4 sure yo rclxms.gif
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Haha rotterdamians???
We are Rotterdammers!
No, I wasnt a Feyenoord, I was an Ajax fan.
My Dad's side(Dutch) are Cruyffians. So they only talk about Ajax and Barca.Hehe.Lucky me.

I was working in Australia for my Dad's Dutch company at that time(10-0), but nobody from the office was a Feyenoord fan so I dont know.
But I did spoke with my friend in Rotterdam.haha. Transitional period he says. Sounds like Arsenal.lol.

But The dutch league is a joke.
Uefa should;ve gone ahead with the G14 super league 10 years ago.
Then Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV would've been more competitive.
Same goes for every top clubs in France, Germany, Italy, ENgland and Spain.
If you look at Spain, England, Scotland, Italy, the top 3-4 are always the same.
Different story in Germany, France and Holland(only for the past few years though).
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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Mar 13 2011, 11:24 AM)
Try to post in United thread. It should be fine, IMO.
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No idea liao sweat.gif No fun troll in MUST, because if I post now, 30 minutes later my post will be pushed to 3rd last page. Too many posters liao. And I'm afraid of the infamous sheep jinx also laugh.gif

QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 13 2011, 05:37 PM)
Uefa should;ve gone ahead with the G14 super league 10 years ago.
Then Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV would've been more competitive.
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The UEFA Super League? I think it would make matters worse. But this require a new thread to discuss, if we don't have one already.
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a draw. messi goal disallowed again (get used to this recently, maybe he score too much tongue.gif) & x2 crossbar. credit to sevilla though.
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7 point lead reduced to 5.. doh.gif
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A draw..Wah!! rclxub.gif
7 point lead reduced to 5.. doh.gif
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expected result after a touch CL match and away to sevilla ...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbr1xxp9ylM[CODE]


Added on March 14, 2011, 12:59 pm


Imagine this happened to Arsenal against us??
A legit goal disallowed. And yet no comment from the coach or the players.

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Missed the game agaaaaaiiiiinnnn!!!!

So have to download again doh.gif doh.gif

Hrmm, I just wonder, can we have a post in the first page to list down download links for Barca matches? Anyone care to refer forum's R&R or ask the mods for me? I'm busy man now liao. Working during the day, and playing Dragon Age 2 during night rclxms.gif rclxms.gif


Added on March 14, 2011, 5:43 pmOh, and there are injury scares for Messi and Alves eh? But I was glad to see Bojan's name on the scoresheet smile.gif smile.gif

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Mat, how could you miss it?
I beat my alarm and woke up at 3.45. I was too excited and beat the alarm once again. Same like the match against Arsenal.

Messi's one was quite serious.
At the end of the 1st half he was chasing the ball and the keeper beat him to it. While the keeper was sliding to retrieve the ball, his knee hit the Messiah's right knee. It was basically the last action of the 1st half.

He was on the ground for nearly 5 mins.
Busi and Iniesta came to check cause it was quite serious.
They looked pretty worried so I thought it was going to be serious.
They left initially.
Mascherano also came down to comfort him as usual.
At first a stretcher was called but Messi preferred to walk, what a gangster!

Since then, he was just a pale shadow of himself. He was scared to over commit in the challenges. I didn't understand why Pep didn't take him out.
What's the point of playing Messi who could barely run? Be a man and take the man out and save our season!!!
Put Affellay in!!

The match.
We were at our usual best in the 1st half but created far too little chances. Messi had a superb header hitting the bar after playing a short pass to Xavi and then he made a long run into the box and jumped and hit it over the GK but it hit the bar. We were all over Seville but their defence was just too good. Everything went perfect. It was always the last hurdle, the last pass that was blocked.

In the 2nd half we were quite lucky to escape with a draw. Some woeful defending.
Iniesta hit the bar too later in the match.
And Bojan finally did well. He had a legit penalty turned down too.
But whatever, they're supposed to win the match without any help.
As you can see up there( my post) , we had a legit goal turned down.

Oh, Alves' ankle got hurt when he was making a solo run in the 1st half.
He was magnificent too in the 1st half but was quiet in teh 2nd, due to his minor injury.

Abidal made a heroic move that prevented Seville from a good goal scoring chance.

Ill look for the download links later guys when Im at home.
And Abidal's superhuman ability.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(sepulse @ Mar 14 2011, 08:50 PM)
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rofl!
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Effin' winrar laugh.gif laugh.gif


Added on March 14, 2011, 9:30 pmOur manager cum club legend is full of winrar too rclxms.gif

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In contrast to many of his fellow managers, Guardiola always prefers to avoid commenting on a referee’s performance and in Seville he again refused to be drawn, explaining: “I am a manager who represents the institution of F. C. Barcelona and the referees do their job as well as possible – it’s not the Barça manager’s job to get involved”.


Gotta admit that by reading Pep's comments, I think he actually always intentionally teaches all of us Cules how to behave.

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I give you guys GOL TV broadcast cause the commentators are good.
1st Half:

http://www.fileserve.com/file/38MbccQ

OR

http://www.filesonic.com/file/222448882

2nd Half:

http://www.fileserve.com/file/jmXDXqD

OR

http://www.filesonic.com/file/222483322

credit to the uploader Wigan.


Added on March 15, 2011, 9:40 amThese are really tough times for us.
First it was the;
-referees supposedly always favoring us(which explains why we only have had 1 penalty so far and madrid almost in double digits), then
-scheduling( we played many more times after only a 2 day's rest than Madrid) and now a
-radio station from Madrid accuses our doctor's of doping of some sorts. And they claim they received the information from R. Madrid.


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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 14 2011, 10:14 PM)
-radio station from Madrid accuses our doctor's of doping of some sorts. And they claim they received the information from R. Madrid.
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Yea I read this one in Sport, but I couldn't understand Google crappy translation. I think Barca's doctors has given some sorta response too right? Do you know Spanish?
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Nope.
Its still not reported on English news although it's such a serious accusation. But they have issued an apology. Thank God before it got wild.

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QUOTE(sepulse @ Mar 14 2011, 08:50 PM)
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rofl!
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Lol but it's quite risky. He might hurt his neck =.=

Lol at the valdes video too. At first I tought it's real.

Btw, after barca vs Ars match, both teams got injured players the next match. Zzz.
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 15 2011, 05:51 PM)
Nope.
Its still not reported on English news although it's such a serious accusation. But they have issued an apology. Thank God before it got wild.
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Antoni Freixa, Barca's spokesman announced that Barca will bring this matter to the court. Surely they should be allowed to get away with this. He also revealed that Florentino Perez has taken the initiative to explain to Laporta, that Real had nothing to do with the allegations.
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sorry to hear about the Abidal news, hope he can recover well
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Speedy recovery for Eric Abidal. Sad to know that he's having tumour in his liver.
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I woke up turned on the EspnNews channel as usual and
saw a slideshow of Abidal with a slow song.
And that was that. Had to wait 10mins for that same news to come back.

What the heck. I already feared the worst although it’s not as bad but it’s still bad.
He’s still so young.

Let’s all pray for him( whatever religion you are).
May God be with him.


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QUOTE(matyrze @ Mar 15 2011, 10:44 PM)
Antoni Freixa, Barca's spokesman announced that Barca will bring this matter to the court. Surely they should be allowed to get away with this. He also revealed that Florentino Perez has taken the initiative to explain to Laporta, that Real had nothing to do with the allegations.
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Why to Laporta?
He is not in charge of the club anymore..

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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 16 2011, 11:02 AM)
Why to Laporta?
He is not in charge of the club anymore..
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Because that's typo tongue.gif Should be Rosell. Don't blame me though, we had like 6 years of Laportaism.

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Eric is having his best season in blaugrana colors. Too bad the illness had struck at the top of his game. Wishing Abidal speedy recovery, and I'm sure Barca will take care of him until he can play again, like we are doing with Gabi.
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Heard about Abidal this morning. Even though hes a rival player, human life is far more important. I wish him the best and hope he can recover to be able to step on the field again
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get well soon abidal
hope your surgery went well

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The surgery is being brought forward to Thursday.
Don't know if it's supposed to be good or bad.
Sounds bad cause why would they rush it right?

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Get well soon Abidal, really sad when hearing story about sportsman suddenly fell ill. Two weeks ago he seem fine and can run inside the pitch.

Btw, i read somewhere apparently his tumour is benign, so it is not life threatening? Hope it's true.
http://simplyfutbol.com/2011/03/abidal-dia...th-liver-tumor/

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Get well soon abidal.

It's really heartbreak to see sportsman suffer from such illness in a young age. Last week we just saw him did a superhuman act but now, zzz

Hope the surgery is a success and hope to see him anytime soon.


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sad to hear... Valencia still wants a rematch with u!..get well soon><!
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Abidal, one of my favourite defenders, hope he has a speedy recovery smile.gif
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get well soon abidal, among da best stopper...
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Nice gesture by Madrid & Lyon


It was actually rejected by UEFA earlier.
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Fixed

QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 17 2011, 10:03 AM)
Nice gesture by Madrid & Lyon


It was actually rejected by UEFA earlier.
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Fontas is set to replace Abidal in the first team permanently.

Sigh, let just hope there will be only good news after the surgery, which will be later today I think.
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@ schmeichel7
Thanks.
How did you fix it?
Why does it always happen to me when I try to insert a youtube video?
open YOUTUBE bracket -the =324234 what ever it is- openbracket /YOUTUBE close bracket

What mistake did I do?

Im glad Fontas got promoted.
He has shown us a few times already that he is more than capable of being a back-up.
I even trust him against slower paced opposition strikers.
I know Pique is slow too but at least Pique has the experience.
Now only Bartra and Muniesa needs to get some regular time which I highly doubt.

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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 17 2011, 10:03 AM)
Nice gesture by Madrid & Lyon
[UTUBE]watch?v=aPSTAQ5RfcY[/UTUBE]

It was actually rejected by UEFA earlier.
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[UTUBE]watch?v=aPSTAQ5RfcY[/UTUBE] wrong
[UTUBE]aPSTAQ5RfcY[/UTUBE] correct

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Barcelona’s official site has issued an update on Eric Abidal. The player has been operated on this afternoon by doctor Jose Fuster Obregón at Barnaclínic, part of the Hospital Clinic of Barcelona, removing the tumor from his liver.

The operation, which took approximately three hours, involved the laparoscopic removal of the lesion, which was completely removed without any complications.

Depending on his progress, the player could receive his discharge from the hospital within approximately one week.

By the express desire of the player, the Club is asking for the utmost respect for Abidal and his family’s privacy at this time.

Read more: http://www.totalbarca.com/2011/news/abidal.../#ixzz1Gumk01OV
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Get well soon abidal...
Today is the champion league draw...
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Get well soon abidal...
Today is the champion league draw...
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7pm.
too bad it clashes with my fav show sigh.
health show is more important than the live draw
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 18 2011, 12:46 PM)
7pm.
too bad it clashes with my fav show sigh.
health show is more important than the live draw
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which channel of astro is showing live draw??


get well abidal! smile.gif
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QUOTE(MusicForLife @ Mar 18 2011, 04:42 PM)
which channel of astro is showing live draw??
get well abidal!  smile.gif
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Im not sure if they show it on Astro but Im pretty sure they show it somewhere
on the net. Nowadays you can always stream.
Or just wait for the 7.30 broadcast of the sportscenter
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can't wait....XD...hopefully messi will be recovered during that game and against real madrid...!
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QUOTE(MusicForLife @ Mar 18 2011, 07:25 PM)
can't wait....XD...hopefully messi will be recovered during that game and against real madrid...!
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Messi is already training with the squad thumbup.gif
but im not that happy cos that means that he will travel to US with Argentina.sigh
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Messi is already training with the squad thumbup.gif
but im not that happy cos that means that he will travel to US with Argentina.sigh
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Hope he will not injure for the upcoming match lo..
WE need him the most on april for madrid match...haha
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Another article with misleading title regarding our player

Messi.

That's why my main sources of football infos are very limited: sport.es, totalbarca (for their translation of Sport articles), Sid Lowe/Phil Ball articles. Very limited liao. But at least they don't have farking misleading titles.

And according to Sport, Pedro and Maxwell are also set to miss Getafe match. Montoya and Fontas have been called up for the match.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Mar 19 2011, 10:58 AM)
Another article with misleading title regarding our player

Messi.

That's why my main sources of football infos are very limited: sport.es, totalbarca (for their translation of Sport articles), Sid Lowe/Phil Ball articles. Very limited liao. But at least they don't have farking misleading titles.

And according to Sport, Pedro and Maxwell are also set to miss Getafe match. Montoya and Fontas have been called up for the match.
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I know. Its really depressing but we Barca fans or even any one following Spanish La Liga would know that Messi
is not the kind of person to talk like that. And secondly, why would he give an interview to the Sun out of all the newspapers?
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ASTRO GIVE DA DELAY AT 9 A.M TOMOLO FOR MATCH BARCELONA VS GETAFE, SHOW DA LIVE REAL VS ATLETICO......HOW SADDD.....


Added on March 19, 2011, 8:36 pmIF REAL AND BARCA PASS THE QUATER UCL, THEY COULD FACE TO FACE NEXT SEMI'S ON APRIL TOOO...LOL....3 MATCH VS REAL ON THE MONTH....WTF................3 EL CLASSICO UPCOMING APRIL....HOPE SPURS CAN BEAT REAL.....

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So what time will the match be shown?
I checked earlier today, it said live at
4am then repeat at 5pm.
but now I check on Astro guide, there is nothing!!!
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 19 2011, 10:56 PM)
So what time will the match be shown?
I checked earlier today, it said live at
4am then repeat at 5pm.
but now I check on Astro guide, there is nothing!!!
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i think it will be 3.55 a.m. as usual. sometime, it doesnt appear on astro guide list but there will live broadcast i guess.

anyway did u guys see this?

April 6th: Barça – Shakhtar

April 12nd: Shakhtar – Barça

April 16th: Madrid – Barça (Liga)

April 20th: Barça -Madrid (Final Copa del Rey)

April 26th or 27th: Madrid/Tot – Barça (Semifinal Champions)

May 3rd or 4th: Barça – Madrid/Tot (Semifinal Champions)

hell of fixture.

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FULL LIST LIVE ACTION SOCCER TODAY AND TOMORROW

http://www.astro.com.my/stadiumastro/


Added on March 19, 2011, 11:54 pmBUT REMEMBER....EURO 2012 QUALIFYING ROUND WILL START AT 25/3/2011, SPAIN VS CZECH REP. , HOPE BARCA PLAYER 100% FIT TO FACE REALLY2 BIG FIXTURES ON APRIL...(no injury..hope so..)

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QUOTE(sepulse @ Mar 19 2011, 11:04 PM)
i think it will be 3.55 a.m. as usual. sometime, it doesnt appear on astro guide list but there will live broadcast i guess.


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it says badminton(boringggg)


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QUOTE(fareezth @ Mar 19 2011, 11:46 PM)
FULL LIST LIVE ACTION SOCCER TODAY AND TOMORROW

http://www.astro.com.my/stadiumastro/


Added on March 19, 2011, 11:54 pmBUT REMEMBER....EURO 2012 QUALIFYING ROUND WILL START AT 25/3/2011, SPAIN VS CZECH REP. , HOPE BARCA PLAYER 100% FIT TO FACE REALLY2 BIG FIXTURES ON APRIL...(no injury..hope so..)
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it says 3am.
now im so confused.
i guess i will wake up at 3 to check and if there is nothin,
then at 8.50.haih.


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ouch sht badmintonggg!

missed few mins of first half. what a goal by alves!
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QUOTE(sepulse @ Mar 19 2011, 11:04 PM)
anyway did u guys see this?

April 6th: Barça – Shakhtar

April 12nd: Shakhtar – Barça

April 16th: Madrid – Barça (Liga)

April 20th: Barça -Madrid (Final Copa del Rey)

April 26th or 27th: Madrid/Tot – Barça (Semifinal Champions)

May 3rd or 4th: Barça – Madrid/Tot (Semifinal Champions)

hell of fixture.
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all 6 important game

hope real will knock spurs out then we will have the repeat of " match of the century " @ 01-02

more excited than El clasico in la liga icon_idea.gif
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I know. Its really depressing but we Barca fans or even any one following Spanish La Liga would know that Messi
is not the kind of person to talk like that. And secondly, why would he give an interview to the Sun out of all the newspapers?
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i guess we already knew bout it...since Fab saga few month back. even they also manipulated a word by pep during press conference. they need to sell papers..thru published a sh!t articles...like utusan always did. haha

nvm. we won 2-1...madrid oso 2-1. hehe. flex.gif
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Which 22 year old is the;
-starting DM at possibly a top 3 team ever.
-World Cup winner
-Champions League winner
-Sextuplete
-has his own frickin’ stadium after his name!!!

Who???
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Sergio? Cant think of any other..unless he's from another team, which defeats the purpose of posting in this thread tongue.gif

Btw, time for some good news after a relatively bad week or 2.

Alves to stay until 2015.
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QUOTE(myhotgary2 @ Mar 23 2011, 02:27 AM)
Sergio? Cant think of any other..unless he's from another team, which defeats the purpose of posting in this thread tongue.gif

Btw, time for some good news after a relatively bad week or 2.

Alves to stay until 2015.
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Barca finally realised the importance of alves. rclxm9.gif

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QUOTE(fwhoam @ Mar 23 2011, 11:15 AM)
Barca finally realised the importance of alves. rclxm9.gif
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Finally? I don't think the board has ever felt Alves was not important. Negotiation takes time. Barca-Alves deal took quite sometime, but we all know the respect is mutual. It is also undeniable however that both sides have their own interest too. Glad that in the end all go well.

Meanwhile Pep said Abidal is doing great atm. Maybe he could even meet up with his teammates during training as early as next week. But he won't start training as yet I guess.

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QUOTE(matyrze @ Mar 24 2011, 06:44 PM)
Finally? I don't think the board has ever felt Alves was not important. Negotiation takes time. Barca-Alves deal took quite sometime, but we all know the respect is mutual. It is also undeniable however that both sides have their own interest too. Glad that in the end all go well.

Meanwhile Pep said Abidal is doing great atm. Maybe he could even meet up with his teammates during training as early as next week. But he won't start training as yet I guess.
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alves is more than a rb.
he can shoot,pass better than some midfielder.
he worth every additional penny.

btw guys,
animo abidal?
what does it really mean?

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QUOTE(fwhoam @ Mar 26 2011, 02:36 AM)
alves is more than a rb.
he can shoot,pass better than some midfielder.
he worth every additional penny.

btw guys,
animo abidal?
what does it really mean?
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cant really remember.
get well soon or something.
you can do it.
somewhere along that line hehe

im glad villa scored a brace.
would give him his confidence back
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QUOTE(fwhoam @ Mar 26 2011, 02:36 AM)
alves is more than a rb.
he can shoot,pass better than some midfielder.
he worth every additional penny.

btw guys,
animo abidal?
what does it really mean?
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Yes you have a point. But we have to note that the board have their own policy and planning in wage structure. So its not like only Alves has his interest to protect, so are the bosses. Remember, no player is bigger than the club.

Animo means 'strength'. I don't know why Google Translator can't translate the word, but I get the info in TB comment board.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Mar 26 2011, 02:41 PM)
Yes you have a point. But we have to note that the board have their own policy and planning in wage structure. So its not like only Alves has his interest to protect, so are the bosses. Remember, no player is bigger than the club.

Animo means 'strength'. I don't know why Google Translator can't translate the word, but I get the info in TB comment board.
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other players would think,
hey Alves can do it, why can;t we...
right?

but the policy is really useless when you wanna apply it on Alves.
he is not a defender. he is a defender/midfielder/attacker.
the guy is crazy!
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 26 2011, 05:49 PM)
but the policy is really useless when you wanna apply it on Alves.
he is not a defender. he is a defender/midfielder/attacker.
the guy is crazy!
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Its obvious that you're talking out of sentiment. In reality we'd never get the best view of what was happening inside the boardroom. The board's reluctance to renew his contracts shows that they will never bow to ridiculous demand by anyone, even by a ridiculously good defender like Alves, and I think that's good, as that show the board always keep their feet on the ground while dealing with superstars. Lesser risk of them stepping out of the line.

Now Alves has signed the contract, I'd say job well done to Rosell and his board.

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QUOTE(matyrze @ Mar 26 2011, 02:41 PM)
Yes you have a point. But we have to note that the board have their own policy and planning in wage structure. So its not like only Alves has his interest to protect, so are the bosses. Remember, no player is bigger than the club.

Animo means 'strength'. I don't know why Google Translator can't translate the word, but I get the info in TB comment board.
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"Abidal encourage" from google translate. rclxub.gif
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Oh crap I went crazy just now. Seriously tongue.gif
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smile dah cukup.haha.
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Preciado surely extremely enjoyed that one over Mourinho. LOL.

Hopefully we can take full advantage tonight smile.gif
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8 point lead. sejak bila valdes n busquet pandai ambik masa ala madrid ni? kan dah kena kad kuning. mou ajar erh. hehe
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8 point lead. sejak bila valdes n busquet pandai ambik masa ala madrid ni? kan dah kena kad kuning. mou ajar erh. hehe
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We won despite missing Xavi, Puyol, and Abi. Its great to see Thiago performed well, and he played for 90 minutes. Dos Santos had some run out too. Valdes bailed us out numerous time. A great win, against a tough team. I was surprised when Garrido brought Nilmar in, just after Messi entered. What a response from him. Sure we were a bit weaker defensively when Keita was brought out, but I think Garrido must be very bold to throw in another striker onto the pitch.

Busquets did a Ramos laugh.gif Expect Madrid paper to go berserk next morning, and publish grainy pictures of the 'handball' by Pique before he scored rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(fcbarcelona-my @ Apr 3 2011, 05:57 AM)
8 point lead. sejak bila valdes n busquet pandai ambik masa ala madrid ni? kan dah kena kad kuning. mou ajar erh. hehe
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QUOTE(Peculator @ Apr 3 2011, 08:32 AM)
Tu la pasal... Kan dah dpt free gift tongue.gif
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hahaha..lawak!
busquets and valdez did exactly like ramos n casillas(in ucl)..

but still, it proves to be necessary..as they'll only miss almeria game, and not el classico..
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but the way ramos and ALONSO did against ajax was so embarrassing.

anyways, even when real madrid did it, i didnt mind.
it's way better to earn a yellow like that rather than hurting an opponent.

in the latter stages of the match we had 9 youth team players.
the three south americans; mascherano, alves and adriano being the exception.
thats amazing!!

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anyways, even when real madrid did it, i didnt mind.
it's way better to earn a yellow like that rather than hurting an opponent.


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thiago is good. smile.gif
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I was highly impressed with Villareal's Valero. Another evidence of Pep's interest in him. Oh, and if you guys watched RM defeat yesterday, Jose Angel had a very good game as well. Another of our transfer target.

You guys have read news about Rosell saying Barca will beat Madrid 5-0 again? Pep responded disapprovingly, and Marca.com has it as their big news, that Rosell has issued an apology. Indeed you might have stepped over the line on this one Mr Pres doh.gif


Added on April 4, 2011, 11:26 amDo you guys remember the absolutely talentless footballer I mentioned before? Well he scored during his last game laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif



Mind you that this goal doesn't - and neither could the fact that he is a very good gentlemen - change the fact that he is s**ty player. laugh.gif laugh.gif


Added on April 4, 2011, 11:46 amAnd this one is the video of our highly talented La Masia product thumbup.gif thumbup.gif



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im back, got cuti two week, nice to see we 8 point ahead
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iklan sikit:

btw guys..yesterday fcbm got friendly game with chelsea supporters. game was held in setia alam..our nou camp. and we won 2-1.

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Ramai gila player Barca. Ikut style Pep wei player first team kena sikit je haha. btw congratz for the win rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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Wah rich kids all wearing jerseys.
I play football wearing pj's and torn old shirts cry.gif

Faris, how come you can't come online?
You work very long hours?


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Maybe he's living in a hostel without a PC/internet access?

People, guess who was the biggest name back in training yesterday?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


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Added on April 5, 2011, 10:46 amThis is a 10 minutes video of Iniesta's inspiration. Enjoy smile.gif



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Haha he is such a great guy!
He wore the full kit except football shoes.
I would love to have him as my team mate.
If Im not mistaken, he travelled with the team when we played
Villareal.
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i traning in police camp, HP and internet are illegal there, i only know the Barca result when read newspaper and watch berita, tomorrow match Barca vs Shaktar will be the first live match for me after 1 and half month, so frust i cant watch 3-1 Arsenal and i also will miss next Clasico
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illegal?
why is that?
laugh.gif this is the 21st century.
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Apr 5 2011, 03:15 PM)
i traning in police camp, HP and internet are illegal there, i only know the Barca result when read newspaper and watch berita, tomorrow match Barca vs Shaktar will be the first live match for me after 1 and half month, so frust i cant watch 3-1 Arsenal and i also will miss next Clasico
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Eh dapat online jugak dia rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

QUOTE(barca96 @ Apr 5 2011, 04:14 PM)
illegal?
why is that?
laugh.gif this is the 21st century.
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Police camp doesn't have enough power plug? laugh.gif Just enough for charging handphones? Or handphones are also prohibited? unsure.gif
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iklan sikit:

btw guys..yesterday fcbm got friendly game with chelsea supporters. game was held in setia alam..our nou camp. and we won 2-1.

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Wah really admire you guys. The team for chinese or not? Can i join? XD
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owh..and another rachun. this during our own supporters champions league. consist of barca, arsenal, chelsea and juve. and milan..not in pic. one big happy family. heheh

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our 1/4 strength.

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but ayam really sad la..its hard to find RM supporters for classico...


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Wah really admire you guys. The team for chinese or not? Can i join? XD
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Apr 5 2011, 09:55 AM)
Ramai gila player Barca. Ikut style Pep wei player first team kena sikit je haha. btw congratz for the win rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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Crap!
Now RM can rest their players ahead of the Clasico.
What a disappointing result. And Crouchie..WTF??
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haha. what to do. menang 4-0. got sense that on return leg in WHL, RM would not sitting quiet parking the bus..but they'll bombard spurs goal post.

or else.. they just simply pass pass pass around..just to show barcelona..that they also can play around like training petang2. tongue.gif
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or else.. they just simply pass pass pass around..just to show barcelona..that they also can play around like training petang2. tongue.gif
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this traditional gameplay just happen for team like barca n rm only.. just remember the classic game rm vs man utd in the era zidane , ronaldo, figo, r carlos... man utd also kena ayam2 pass n pass like training petang2 laugh.gif no wonder spain la liga more fun more entertain.. best possesion conqueros in the world icon_rolleyes.gif
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I'm sure RM will try to score 1 very early goal at WHL, then only they'll switch to main petang2 mode. I only watched the 2nd half, but RM superiority was obvious. That's undeniable.

Meanwhile, I'm a bit worried with our game against Shakhtar. They are one of the European teams that we meet the most in recent years. Surely they already know how to play against us. And Chyggy may want to prove himself to Rosell and his board too sad.gif
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The good news is, we are leading 2-0, thanks to Iniesta and Alves goals.

The bad news is, Pique, Busi, Alves, were playing very very bad. They struggled with Luiz Adriano's pace alone. Pique also looked like his head was somewhere else. Xavi, Messi, Iniesta and Villa were average. I can say their movement has been poor for their high standard. Masch couldn't do much because Shakhtar tend to play early long balls from deep towards L. Adriano and Willian. Valdes has been top class for us. Only him impressed.

Please Puyol, we need you in 2nd leg. That's for sure sad.gif
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Apr 7 2011, 03:42 AM)
The good news is, we are leading 2-0, thanks to Iniesta and Alves goals.

The bad news is, Pique, Busi, Alves, were playing very very bad. They struggled with Luiz Adriano's pace alone. Pique also looked like his head was somewhere else. Xavi, Messi, Iniesta and Villa were average. I can say their movement has been poor for their high standard. Masch couldn't do much because Shakhtar tend to play early long balls from deep towards L. Adriano and Willian. Valdes has been top class for us. Only him impressed.

Please Puyol, we need you in 2nd leg. That's for sure sad.gif
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QUOTE(neohardcore @ Apr 7 2011, 04:19 AM)
plz update for the full time result buddy.all mamak n mcd bukak chelc vs man utd icon_question.gif
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Done.

Congratz players rclxms.gif rclxms.gif Its a very healthy lead to bring to Ukraine, and the tie is just for us to lose.

But seriously, we need Puyol, NOW. Both Alves and Pique were REALLY complacent. Shitty concentration. Puyol should be able to help them keeping their own mind on the pitch.

Shakhtar were very good. Too bad for them that they really ran out of steam with 30 minutes left. We took advantage of their tired defenders fully during that period.

And today we have 5 different goalscorers, but none of them are strikers rclxub.gif rclxub.gif Messi and Villa are misfiring? shakehead.gif
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5-1.. arghhh!!! rugi nye miss tak tgok..
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awesome....the match is better than the EPL match..haha
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spanish and italy football are always better than EPL, EPL suck in terms of skill
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QUOTE(neohardcore @ Apr 7 2011, 04:50 AM)
5-1.. arghhh!!! rugi nye miss tak tgok..
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ahahaha. sorry real....we also training petang2. hahahahaha
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QUOTE(neohardcore @ Apr 7 2011, 04:50 AM)
5-1.. arghhh!!! rugi nye miss tak tgok..
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QUOTE(fcbarcelona-my @ Apr 7 2011, 05:13 AM)
ahahaha. sorry real....we also training petang2. hahahahaha
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IMHO that was hardly the case. I really think that we were very lucky not to concede more than 1 goal in the first half. Luiz Adriano had really torn apart Pique-Busquets defensive 'partnership'. I must admit Shakhtar deserve much more reward than they had got.

I just hope Arsenal fans who came bashing here had watched the game. The noises they created can only be justified if Arsenal showed similar performance. Shakhtar performance was on a whole new level compared to Arsenal's performance.

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Lain kali x yah tido. Stay up je sampai match. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif


Added on April 7, 2011, 12:18 pmJosep Guardiola, Barcelona coach

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"Don't believe [Mircea Lucescu] when he says the tie is over. I'm telling you: this isn't finished yet". We turned up at Real Betis [in the Copa del Rey] with a 5-0 lead and we suffered badly [losing 3-1]. I warned you all back then and I was accused of false modesty.

We are a little short at the back as with the absences of Abidal and Puyol we're missing important players with pace and we need to replace that with other qualities. Having said that, the players at my disposal are physical animals and if there's one thing they know it's how to compete.

We've had three games now where Leo [Messi] has been the determining factor without scoring; the match against Madrid, against Espanyol and now this one. He can win us games in many ways.


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We weren't expecting this. We have a great team that can play much better than we did. I decided not to close up and defend. I decided to try and play, to catch them out. But when we had a chance to score we missed it and they instantly went 1-0 up with an incredible goal from Iniesta that changed everything.

We did get ourselves back into it – we fought our way into the game but went on failing to convert our opportunities. In contrast, Barça know exactly how to provoke errors in your defending – they are so smart. "They were clinical in taking their own chances, grew in confidence and, I think, the tie is already decided" and they are going through.

But we will use this experience to grow, to learn and we will attempt to win the home leg in front of more than 50,000 fans who want to see us playing with style. We have lost to a footballing machine and they know how to guard this lead in the second leg but I know we can be very positive and play much better next week.


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Hello, I’m Leo Messi.

No matter the titles, trophies and honors, I will always be the boy who grew up in Rosario, Santa Fé, Argentina. It was there that I learned to walk just to be able to chase a dream.

And yet, I was told I would never be a footballer.

But being smaller forced me to be faster. Disbelievers, critics and naysayers made me more determined than ever. With the support of my family I moved to Spain with the chance to play for Barça. It was an opportunity to be the player that I always dreamed I could be.

I’m 23 now. And football still means exactly the same to me. I can only think of the next game, of giving all I’ve got for Barcelona and for Argentina.

It’s an honor and a responsibility to be considered the best player in the world, but I would not be where I am without my teammates of Barça and the National Team. It is for them, my family and my fans that keep me working hard.

I also understand the special and important role of a public figure and how I can help those in need. That is why my family and I created the Leo Messi Foundation. Putting smiles on the faces of disadvantaged children and helping them maintain hope is always one of my greatest achievements.


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How small is Messi back then 145cm or something?
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Apr 7 2011, 12:50 PM)
How small is Messi back then 145cm or something?
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I'm not sure, but IINM he was predicted to grow not greater than 5ft if he didn't received the treatment.
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I'm not sure, but IINM he was predicted to grow not greater than 5ft if he didn't received the treatment.
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I read some article that Barcelona decide to help messi on this after several club rejected to do so...

And now Barcelona is reaping the rewards... totally a well decision...

Player like Messi are rare breed... and Barcelona definitely unearth one....

Salute Messi for his down to earth attitude... Hope he stays injury free...
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His medical cost was too huge for both River and Newell's to invest on a 11 year old kid. Barca snapped him up, and the reward is for all too see smile.gif Come to think of it, its like a destiny. We failed tremendously with Maradona nearly 30 years ago, and now we kinda having 2nd chance with another Argentine prodigy.
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Introducing Lionel Enguene rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

He is currently playing in with Cadete B (Year 96 class). Still very young though, but its nice to watch such talent in La Masia smile.gif
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Apr 9 2011, 06:10 PM)


Introducing Lionel Enguene rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

He is currently playing in with Cadete B (Year 96 class). Still very young though, but its nice to watch such talent in La Masia smile.gif
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Lets hope arsenal dun come and steal him away.
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QUOTE(myhotgary2 @ Apr 9 2011, 07:52 PM)
Lets hope arsenal dun come and steal him away.
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Well, now that you've said it...

Read this.
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spanish and italy football are always better than EPL, EPL suck in terms of skill
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Apr 9 2011, 06:10 PM)


Introducing Lionel Enguene rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

He is currently playing in with Cadete B (Year 96 class). Still very young though, but its nice to watch such talent in La Masia smile.gif
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Delete this post quick.. laugh.gif
Dont let arsene wenger see him.. vmad.gif


Added on April 10, 2011, 1:31 am
QUOTE(matyrze @ Apr 7 2011, 11:13 AM)
Lain kali x yah tido. Stay up je sampai match. thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
Hari nh punye match confirm tgok nye.. drool.gif
Hope they will play nice game thumbup.gif


Added on April 10, 2011, 2:49 amSloppy defending by pique and gabi militio.. half time score barca 0 almeria 0


Added on April 10, 2011, 3:53 amFull time barca 3 almeria 1.
Almeria did gave us a scare.
Their counter attack was superb.

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So we won after all:

Full time result:
FC Barcelona 3 - 1 Almeria
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QUOTE(fwhoam @ Apr 10 2011, 01:29 AM)
Delete this post quick.. laugh.gif
Dont let arsene wenger see him.. vmad.gif
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He doesn't need youtube to know our youngsters. He has placed his scouts here for quite sometime shakehead.gif

I'm sure right now he was like, "Hell, there are so much fine cherries in La Masia ripe to be picked."

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Regarding the match, its true we survived a scare, another one apparently.

But the most notable outcome from the match was a yellow card for Masch, which means he will miss El Clasico next weekend doh.gif doh.gif Really hope Puyol will make it.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Apr 10 2011, 10:13 AM)
He doesn't need youtube to know our youngsters. He has placed his scouts here for quite sometime shakehead.gif

I'm sure right now he was like, "Hell, there are so much fine cherries in La Masia ripe to be picked."

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Regarding the match, its true we survived a scare, another one apparently.

But the most notable outcome from the match was a yellow card for Masch, which means he will miss El Clasico next weekend doh.gif doh.gif Really hope Puyol will make it.
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just kidding.. unsure.gif
but barca must do sumthing about arsenal and arsene wenger icon_idea.gif
they like to snatch our youngster doh.gif

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QUOTE(matyrze @ Apr 10 2011, 10:13 AM)

Regarding the match, its true we survived a scare, another one apparently.

But the most notable outcome from the match was a yellow card for Masch, which means he will miss El Clasico next weekend doh.gif doh.gif Really hope Puyol will make it.
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i hope so.

and sad to see bojan got injured when he had a good 10-15 mins.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Apr 10 2011, 10:13 AM)
Regarding the match, its true we survived a scare, another one apparently.

But the most notable outcome from the match was a yellow card for Masch, which means he will miss El Clasico next weekend doh.gif doh.gif Really hope Puyol will make it.
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Can't wait for the next El Clasico match, I hope Barca will break Mourinho's record unbeaten on home soil.
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QUOTE(Peculator @ Apr 11 2011, 12:34 AM)
Can't wait for the next El Clasico match, I hope Barca will break Mourinho's record unbeaten on home soil.
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the record already broken lol..
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QUOTE(Peculator @ Apr 11 2011, 12:34 AM)
Can't wait for the next El Clasico match, I hope Barca will break Mourinho's record unbeaten on home soil.
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lol
record broken liao la
sporting gijon has beat mourinho at home so that barca wont be the one breaking it
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the record already broken lol..
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QUOTE(raul88 @ Apr 11 2011, 12:40 AM)
lol
record broken liao la
sporting gijon has beat mourinho at home so that barca wont be the one breaking it
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lol lupa pulak.... dang it.

BTW, it's a tough month for them:
02.04 - vs Villarreal (League)
06.04 - vs Shaktar (UCL)
09.04 - vs Almeria (League)
12.04 - vs Shaktar (UCL)
16.04 - vs Real Madrid (League)
20.04 - vs Real Madrid (CDR Final)

24.04 - vs Osasuna
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Don't think we can beat RM, at least dont expect another beat down.
From current form, I think a draw would make me satisfied.
But before last Clasico, RM looked to be in a hot form too.

Im pretty upset that RM beat Bilbao who always caused us a big trouble, beat them easily with ROnaldo, Carvalho, OZil amongst others not playing full match while we with an almost the strongest line up had difficluties with a team that we had an 16-0 aggregate with.
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Apr 11 2011, 01:01 PM)
Don't think we can beat RM, at least dont expect another beat down.
From current form, I think a draw would make me satisfied.
But before last Clasico, RM looked to be in a hot form too.

Im pretty upset that RM beat Bilbao who always caused us a big trouble, beat them easily with ROnaldo, Carvalho, OZil amongst others not playing full match while we with an almost the strongest line up had difficluties with  a team that we had an 16-0 aggregate with.
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We're pushing our luck, managed to win on away soil @Donetsk with 0-1 result, with 6-1 aggregate so we move on to next phase either RMA or Spurs waiting for us.
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Win is a win. So we wait either madrid od spurs..
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Messi just broke Ronaldo record of 47 goal a season (messi got 48 now) and there is still plenty of game left to be play still...Wonder how many more can he scored.....What a player...

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QUOTE(fcbarcelona-my @ Apr 13 2011, 08:16 AM)
Win is a win. So we wait either madrid od spurs..
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But I still don't think Spurs can make it to next stage... They had been beaten 4-0 on away soil.

QUOTE(GrandElf @ Apr 13 2011, 09:45 AM)
Messi just broke Ronaldo record of 47 goal a season (messi got 48 now) and there is still plenty of game left to be play still...Wonder how many more can he scored.....What a player...

notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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He's gifted, outclassed Ronaldo.
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another 2 goals..he'll set new benchmark for other barca forward for years to come.

anyway..i heard MESSI..MESSI..MESSI.. brows.gif



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another 2 goals..he'll set new benchmark for other barca forward for years to come.

anyway..i heard MESSI..MESSI..MESSI..  brows.gif


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man of the match has to be vv
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man of the match has to be vv
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Btw,where is the best place to watch barcelona highlights? I find some videos in footytube cannot be watched.


Livegoals.com provides highlights for all Barcelona matches as well as for other games too. Big match is coming up for Barcelona as they will be head to head against Real Madrid. Broadcasting might not be available in some regions so the best place to watch Live Football stream for that match is Real Madrid Barcelona Live. I usually see important matches here. Good thing is they also provide streaming in HD too. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(daniali @ Apr 13 2011, 04:01 PM)
Livegoals.com provides highlights for all Barcelona matches as well as for other games too. Big match is coming up for Barcelona as they will be head to head against Real Madrid. Broadcasting might not be available in some regions so the best place to watch Live Football stream for that match is Real Madrid Barcelona Live. I usually see important matches here. Good thing is they also provide streaming in HD too.  rclxms.gif
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my concern is on copa del ray final
astro dont show it
and my internet also sucks big time

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Is our capitain Puyol ready for El Clasico ? Milito is just a disaster waiting to happen.
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QUOTE(daniali @ Apr 13 2011, 04:01 PM)
Livegoals.com provides highlights for all Barcelona matches as well as for other games too. Big match is coming up for Barcelona as they will be head to head against Real Madrid. Broadcasting might not be available in some regions so the best place to watch Live Football stream for that match is Real Madrid Barcelona Live. I usually see important matches here. Good thing is they also provide streaming in HD too.  rclxms.gif
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Thanks for sharing the links with us.
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my concern is on copa del ray final
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Its live on Astro.
Copa Del Ray 2010/11
21 Apr 0325 Final: Real Madrid vs Barcelona (Live)

http://www.astro.com.my/content_epg/articles/art_639.html
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most expensive player vs most gifted player

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QUOTE(raj84 @ Apr 14 2011, 12:05 PM)
Its live on Astro.
Copa Del Ray 2010/11
21 Apr 0325 Final: Real Madrid vs Barcelona (Live)

http://www.astro.com.my/content_epg/articles/art_639.html
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ok. game on  flex.gif

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ok guys, we will face real madrid 4 times within 18days, i ve got a realbad feeling bout this.. i mean we beat them 5 times straight alredy iinm, for us to beat them again n again n again n again is like to much.. i dun hv that much confident against them now especially wit higuan is available to play.. that dude really hav a luck in scoring..
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its 50-50 chance. real already welcoming top gun back to squad..higuain..kaka..and benz. ronaldo..like JM, now likely in revenge mood. everyone in serious mood... in other side..our capitan only appear during CDR finale. marca as always..lock horn to upbeat this match.


so..the last we met madrid in four series like this...goes back in 1916. so..after 95 years.....


it is four game that can decide if a team..can win everything..or win nothing. as sid lowe in Guardian said..."winner takes all".

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think bout this, we beat them straight 5 games in this las 3years, say if they beat us all 4 incoming games, that is sad..
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QUOTE(uzary @ Apr 15 2011, 10:21 AM)
think bout this, we beat them straight 5 games in this las 3years, say if they beat us all 4 incoming games,  that is sad..
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U are worrying a bit too much IMO.....

They got ronaldo....u got messi

They got higuain...u got villa

They got kaka....u got iniesta

So it's matching each other in almost every attacking category.....not to say barca team chemistry is better as well since except villa, all of ur attacking force have been playing together for ages from academy until now (xavi, iniesta, messi, pedro)

Maybe its impossible to repeat that kind of scoreline but to win 1-0 is still possible in every thinking....

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this is really exciting.. ill watch this 4 games (whats the word for 4 - like trilogy?)

im not follow Barca /La Liga much, whats their defensive injury situation? only Pique i recognized as initial defender. this part are the weakness of Barca if they continue to play with make shift defenders.

others part it seem all in Barca favour.

but i predict Madrid will win one of the tie.. may be the cup final.
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el clasico sunday morning or monday morning ??
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BTW, it's a tough month for them:
02.04 - vs Villarreal (League)
06.04 - vs Shaktar (UCL)
09.04 - vs Almeria (League)
12.04 - vs Shaktar (UCL)
16.04 - vs Real Madrid (League)
20.04 - vs Real Madrid (CDR Final)

24.04 - vs Osasuna (League)
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OK, added for another matches that Barca will face:
27.4 - vs Real Madrid (UCL Semi-finals 1st Leg)
30.04 - vs Real Sociedad
03.05 - vs Real Madrid (UCL Semi-finals 2nd Leg)

QUOTE(uzary @ Apr 15 2011, 10:21 AM)
think bout this, we beat them straight 5 games in this las 3years, say if they beat us all 4 incoming games,  that is sad..
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That won't happen for sure.

QUOTE(mkaz @ Apr 15 2011, 11:06 AM)
el clasico sunday morning or monday morning ??
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Sunday morning at 4am.
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QUOTE(dundermifflin @ Apr 15 2011, 11:04 AM)
this is really exciting.. ill watch this 4 games (whats the word for 4 - like trilogy?)

im not follow Barca /La Liga much, whats their defensive injury situation? only Pique i recognized as initial defender. this part are the weakness of Barca if they continue to play with make shift defenders.

others part it seem all in Barca favour.

but i predict Madrid will win one of the tie.. may be the cup final.
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puyol and abidal still injured. gabriel milito as 1st choice along side pique. other alternative...mascherano. last game masch has given a CB role IINM. and he did well. or any youngster from barca B.


make shift defenders coz no choice. last season, yaya toure take cb role when puyol in injured. so this time, maybe mascherano.

classico sunday morning.
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Guardiola never been defeated by Real Madrid in his career in Barcelona. I don't worry for him ;D It will end well.
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Milito nowday is not like Zaragoza`s Milito, hope Fontas play with Pique instead of Milito, i miss Yaya so much, cant forget his brilliant form at Rome
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QUOTE(dariusng @ Apr 15 2011, 08:51 PM)
Guardiola never been defeated by Real Madrid in his career in Barcelona. I don't worry for him ;D It will end well.
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and puyol include in squad.
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and puyol include in squad.
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any link to stream???
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It's penalty!!!


Added on April 17, 2011, 5:11 amGOAL!!!

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finally messi score agains mourinho lol
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Added on April 17, 2011, 5:40 amDAMN penalty for RMA


Added on April 17, 2011, 5:41 amAnd Ronaldo first scored againsts Barca

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lol almost thought mourinho will lose at home again tongue.gif
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Added on April 17, 2011, 5:49 am4 minutes added time...


Added on April 17, 2011, 5:53 amDamn it's a draw...

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really an intense match lol
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Yeah, but Villa almost scored at the end, it's just he lost the ball control...
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see u again next copa ! biggrin.gif
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am i the only one worried for our capitan? I hope he din aggravate his injury again... He was stretchered off the field but he managed to walk to the dug out after that..I am anticipating news about him....
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am i the only one worried for our capitan? I hope he din aggravate his injury again... He was stretchered off the field but he managed to walk to the dug out after that..I am anticipating news about him....
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and btw, when will abidal be back? I know it is a lil too much to ask right after his surgery but... We are really short of CBs.. Abi can play there.. and gaby is simply a shadow of his old self.. doh.gif


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Seems he'll likely either play for the CDR final...
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Source?? Not that i doubt your reply, but just want to read it. icon_rolleyes.gif

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So far there's lot news about him...

Edit: I mean about Abidal

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as i said before..50-50 chance. and its tru..draw. haha. yeah...puyol seems injured again. damn.

we draw...but not lose yet. and traditionally..will bounce back after draw. the problem is...madrid oso often bounce back after draw. haha

what a game. 2 red card. so we got CDR nexr wednesday. neutral venue. game net over yet. but for next game..is an exit for CDR.

visca!
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QUOTE(myhotgary2 @ Apr 17 2011, 08:20 AM)

Added on April 17, 2011, 8:23 am

Source?? Not that i doubt your reply, but just want to read it. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(fcbarcelona-my @ Apr 17 2011, 08:26 AM)
as i said before..50-50 chance. and its tru..draw. haha. yeah...puyol seems injured again. damn.

we draw...but not lose yet. and traditionally..will bounce back after draw. the problem is...madrid oso often bounce back after draw. haha

what a game. 2 red card. so we got CDR nexr wednesday. neutral venue. game net over yet. but for next game..is an exit for CDR.

visca!
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Mourinho really has some brain damage.
How was that not a foul by Albiol?
The guy choked Villa!!!

Look at this headline on goal.
"Jose Mourinho figures out Pep Guardiola all over again as Real Madrid finally give Barcelona something to worry about."

Playing at home with 3 defensive midfielders and celebrating a 1-1 draw?
They didn't close the gap at all on us and they didn't try to go for the win.

Im really sick and tired of hearing the press praise Mourinho all the time.

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QUOTE(barca96 @ Apr 17 2011, 01:21 PM)
Mourinho really has some brain damage.
How was that not a foul by Albiol?
The guy choked Villa!!!


Look at this headline on goal.
"Jose Mourinho figures out Pep Guardiola all over again as Real Madrid finally give Barcelona something to worry about."

Playing at home with 3 defensive midfielders and celebrating a 1-1 draw?
They didn't close the gap at all on us and they didn't try to go for the win.

Im really sick and tired of hearing the press praise Mourinho all the time.
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its clear. but yeah..its JM...what else shud we said. if he won..he claimed he was the special one. if he lose..he'll blame everyone. but it understandable....since only in la liga he met the toughest ever opponent. wherever he head his beloved real madrid to success...barca already wait at the end of the road. thats why u can JM sooooo serious during 2nd leg CL against spurs..taking note etc..eventho they already leading 4-nil. it is not because the pressure from white hart lane...but the pressure came from next match versus barca. and maybe that why oso madrid player onli score one in WHL..coz their head already in clasico and save energy for it. tongue.gif

1-1 consider win for madrid laugh.gif





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QUOTE(myhotgary2 @ Apr 17 2011, 08:20 AM)
and btw, when will abidal be back? I know it is a lil too much to ask right after his surgery but... We are really short of CBs.. Abi can play there.. and gaby is simply a shadow of his old self.. doh.gif
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No official statement released by the club, but Pep has hinted in one of previous media conference that Abi may not feature for Barca again this season. A shame really. But I'm positive that even if we sell Milito this summer, we will not go for another CB. Fontas will definitely see more minutes next season, while Abi will also permanently be shifted to the center, and Adriano will take Abi's place as first choice LB. Damn Adriano has been really good covering for Abi rclxms.gif

QUOTE(barca96 @ Apr 17 2011, 01:21 PM)
Mourinho really has some brain damage.
How was that not a foul by Albiol?
The guy choked Villa!!!

Look at this headline on goal.
"Jose Mourinho figures out Pep Guardiola all over again as Real Madrid finally give Barcelona something to worry about."

Playing at home with 3 defensive midfielders and celebrating a 1-1 draw?
They didn't close the gap at all on us and they didn't try to go for the win.

Im really sick and tired of hearing the press praise Mourinho all the time.
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I wonder how can't you get use to it already? laugh.gif He's the Special One la. If he put up some Stoke-like tactic and win, everyone would still hail him as the tactical master rclxms.gif As was last night, we can count how many Xabi Alonso touched the ball using our fingers, and he was supposedly their playmaker to engineer their counter attacks brows.gif brows.gif

And he led the media brainwash that Alves should have seen red card. Yes, it was penalty, but it was not a late challenge, and thus it was not a 2nd yellow card. We had our own penalty claim when Casillas did similar challenge on Villa earlier, and he was not even shown a yellow, we also didn't get the penalty. And Mou, unsurprisingly, ignored that laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Anyway, the 8 point lead was preserved, and that can be considered a success for us.
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Apr 17 2011, 01:21 PM)
Mourinho really has some brain damage.
How was that not a foul by Albiol?
The guy choked Villa!!!

Look at this headline on goal.
"Jose Mourinho figures out Pep Guardiola all over again as Real Madrid finally give Barcelona something to worry about."

Playing at home with 3 defensive midfielders and celebrating a 1-1 draw?
They didn't close the gap at all on us and they didn't try to go for the win.

Im really sick and tired of hearing the press praise Mourinho all the time.
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+1. That's him biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Apr 17 2011, 02:48 PM)
No official statement released by the club, but Pep has hinted in one of previous media conference that Abi may not feature for Barca again this season. A shame really. But I'm positive that even if we sell Milito this summer, we will not go for another CB. Fontas will definitely see more minutes next season, while Abi will also permanently be shifted to the center, and Adriano will take Abi's place as first choice LB. Damn Adriano has been really good covering for Abi rclxms.gif
I wonder how can't you get use to it already? laugh.gif He's the Special One la. If he put up some Stoke-like tactic and win, everyone would still hail him as the tactical master rclxms.gif As was last night, we can count how many Xabi Alonso touched the ball using our fingers, and he was supposedly their playmaker to engineer their counter attacks brows.gif  brows.gif

And he led the media brainwash that Alves should have seen red card. Yes, it was penalty, but it was not a late challenge, and thus it was not a 2nd yellow card. We had our own penalty claim when Casillas did similar challenge on Villa earlier, and he was not even shown a yellow, we also didn't get the penalty. And Mou, unsurprisingly, ignored that laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

Anyway, the 8 point lead was preserved, and that can be considered a success for us.
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To be fair though his tactic won more chances than barca, and about the penalty it's certainly a mind game.
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miccy..what happen madridista web community? i can't find the one that u set up. we till looking more la liga team for upcoming local CL match. set up la real madrid team...EPL and serie A team too strong for us la tongue.gif
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QUOTE(miccy @ Apr 17 2011, 06:08 PM)
To be fair though his tactic won more chances than barca, and about the penalty it's certainly a mind game.
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More chance? I think the number chances was quite balanced. We had Villa wasting his opportunity, and Messi, though he was heavily marked, still managed to get 2-3 shots in.
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Most important is the remaining 3 games that we absolutely need to win!
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mourinho ordered his midfield muscular advantage to distrupt barca possesion flow. one of the tactic, push down a player once he pass the ball. example, when iniesta pass ball to xavi, madrid player will foul him down...so xavi can't pass back the ball to iniesta which somehow i see it is distrupt tiki taka flow.
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I saw Villa got disrupted few times when he tried to broken the off-side trap, even the referee don't give a damn that he tripped down.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SpWwDwHFe4

wonderful messi. he can run past 3 player easily..
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QUOTE(sepulse @ Apr 18 2011, 10:29 AM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SpWwDwHFe4

wonderful messi. he can run past 3 player easily..
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QUOTE(fcbarcelona-my @ Apr 18 2011, 09:30 AM)
mourinho ordered his midfield muscular advantage to distrupt barca possesion flow. one of the tactic, push down a player once he pass the ball. example, when iniesta pass ball to xavi, madrid player will foul him down...so xavi can't pass back the ball to iniesta which somehow i see it is distrupt tiki taka flow.
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yup. that happened during the whole match especially by pepe and khedira.
it was plain disgusting. it is so sad that they have gone so low.

what really amazed me how they didn't get a card for that.
not even a foul!!!


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To be fair though his tactic won more chances than barca, and about the penalty it's certainly a mind game.
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most of their chances came during the corners.

it is really sad that they are playing counter attack in their own home.
and to top it all off, they were celebrating like they won the match when in fact
they are still 8 points behind us in the title race.

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most of their chances came during the corners.

it is really sad that they are playing counter attack in their own home.
and to top it all off, they were celebrating like they won the match when in fact
they are still 8 points behind us in the title race.
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Villa should have scored...let just hope that everybody is on form for the next 3 matches... smile.gif ....
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Hilarious video by Adidas


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Di Stefano: "Barca was the lion and Madrid was the mouse"

The football Barcelona played at the Bernabéu was just brilliant. Their superiority was patent and on view for all the world to see. They've got something that Real Madrid don't have. The whites were hemmed in by opposition that dominated the midfield throughout the whole match. Barcelona played football and danced; Real Madrid just ran up and down, tiring themselves out.

Only if Xavi, Iniesta or Busquets lost the ball did Real Madrid ever try to put together an attack, but of course it was with a punt upfield in the hope that something might come of it. And whenever those three wanted, they could put the sheep to sleep passing the ball to one another with complete mastery, short and straight to the feet — perfectly executed, tight passes that were safe and sure for whoever was on the receiving end.

It was as if they wanted to take the ball home with them, because it was all theirs. Their mission was to feed the Barcelona strikers — and how well fed they were! — because they are so crushingly effective and the ease with which they create danger is permanent.

"Besides maintaining a very quick pace without once letting it up, the Barcelona players fought like true gladiators. They worked very hard indeed off the ball and never stopped moving.

"There was no negotiation, no refusal to paint their work of art on that green canvas, whatever the final scoreline might say, because they even played pretty football, always well placed. Their positioning in the team is a key factor. All their players show that a level of tactical thinking that is unmatched, with a highly developed sense of interchanging their roles.

The defensive effort was all Real Madrid’s, like the lion against the mouse. They were unable to neutralise their opponents with effective pressing in midfield, which is what they needed to do, although stopping Barça from making you so dizzy you end up reeling is much easier said than done. For the spectator, their well-put-together attacks in combination were a wonderful thing to see.

For as long as Di Maria had the strength to break through on the few occasions he had the ball, he was Madrid’s best player (along with “Saint Iker” Casillas, who deserves to be canonised right now).

Messi is the best in the world. Not only is his football spectacular, as an example of professionalism he also knows no rival. He shone on Saturday and it will be wonderful to watch him again in Wednesday’s Cup Final.

Barcelona’s success comes from their attacking approach, wisely applied to mature and become consolidated in time for the three more Clásicos that are upcoming. Attacking means you have to control time as well as your nerves.

Given all this, it’s obvious that Barcelona are better than Real Madrid, and that trying to build up attacking moves based on counter-attacks is not the most appropriate way to try to catch them by surprise. Their technical and tactical quality is such that they always occupy the pitch in a rational, well-balanced way, leaving no free spaces to be filled and taken advantage of.

Pep Guardiola's team always had their hands firmly on the reins of the match. With this result they’re now another step closer to their third consecutive Liga title, and the truth is that they deserve it, because they've done their homework properly. They’ve never stopped being themselves and it’s plain for anyone to see that they enjoy themselves and have fun when they play.

Another thing that needs saying is that Real Madrid aren’t making their fans feel as happy as they deserve to be, because the fans’ support for the team has been unconditional. Real Madrid showed more heart than order, and in the end their ambitions were frustrated.

Things I liked


I like and admire the huge dominance of Barcelona’s play. It’s football to be watched not with your eyes but with your soul. They treat the ball with respect, with adoration, almost pampering it. Watching this team in action is a delight for us all.

Things I didn’t like


Real Madrid was a team with no personality. This match should set the guidelines for how the next one needs to be faced, because the approach of trying to play against Barcelona with counterattacks is clearly not the way to go.

- Alfredo Di Stefano (Marca, 18 April 2010)

Source of translated version.

Original source from Marca.


The article is f**king beautiful, isn't it? laugh.gif
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he craving for beautiful fottball...remind me the case of fabio capello..
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Apr 19 2011, 01:40 AM)
The article is f**king beautiful, isn't it? laugh.gif
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We Cules have heard it all. We heard people scoffed Barca's passing game as boring and ineffective, especially whenever Barca failed to beat a defensive team. We heard defensive tactics being hailed as the 'masterful tactic'. The coaches who deployed the tactic were hailed as tactical genius, and Pep, who have always tried to play the game as it should be played, was said to be outwitted by the 'insightful' nature of defensive tactic. Meanwhile, whenever Cules tried to glorify Barca's great style, we were called 'arrogant', 'bad losers', and 'don't have the slightest of clue about football'.

But now we have full backing from honorary President of Real Madrid himself. Can you imagine? A legend of Real Madrid is in awe with our team. Let us leave to rot, the negative football with its 'creative, great in its own way' slogan, and hail the great attacking football!

I think I'm going to put the article in the first page for next season. It's too precious to just let it lost in an LYN thread smile.gif

QUOTE(Peculator @ Apr 18 2011, 11:14 AM)
You can see clearly that Messi kicked the ball towards the crowds @5:20. It's hilarious that he's got the "muka tak bersalah" face after he kicked the ball, haha...  tongue.gif
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Manolo Sanchis revealed in Marca that Messi apologized to the fans afterward, and he also believed Messi didn't intend to attack the fans, because the ball first hit the ad board. Of course that's only true if I understood google translation correctly tongue.gif
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Manolo Sanchis revealed in Marca that Messi apologized to the fans afterward, and he also believed Messi didn't intend to attack the fans, because the ball first hit the ad board. Of course that's only true if I understood google translation correctly tongue.gif
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http://www.marca.com/charlas/sanchis/18042011.html
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It's not just Di Stefano who praised us for the past few years.
Many other top 10 best ever footballers share the same view.
Now, they surely know more than the fans don't they?
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It's not just Di Stefano who praised us for the past few years.
Many other top 10 best ever footballers share the same view.
Now, they surely know more than the fans don't they?
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well yea...beautiful game in the eyes of the supporters

but for the opponent supporters... all they can see and swallow

is that the balls are kept in barca possession for most of time

it's more to 1 team game than football ...

well..im not saying it's wrong

the best way to win a game is to let the other team not playing the game....

so what's wrong with Stoke like approach?

not every1 can be barca

and I admit Barca superiority over Real
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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Apr 20 2011, 01:02 PM)
well yea...beautiful game in the eyes of the supporters

but for the opponent supporters... all they can see and swallow

is that the balls are kept in barca possession for most of time

it's more to 1 team game than football ...

well..im not saying it's wrong

the best way to win a game is to let the other team not playing the game....

so what's wrong with Stoke like approach?

not every1 can be barca

and I admit Barca superiority over Real
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I wonder, how many Barca games have you watched this season? Did you watch recent Shahktar's performance against us? Their first half in Camp Nou and the encounter in Ukraine? Their game was tremendous. Yes we won 6-1 by aggregate, but don't read into result too much. If you've watched the match, you should realize that the tie could go either way.

So I've no problem praising Shahktar. So, why do I not say the same for Mourinho's Madrid? Because Mourinho's approach and Lucescu's approach was totally different. For me, Lucescu's tactic was much superior than Mourinho's. Yes you read it right, I just typed it that way.

You say the only way to play us is only by using defensive tactic? Do you remember how Pellegrini's Madrid performed in Camp Nou? The match ended with only 1-0 win for Barca, and Madrid had their fair share of chances too. They didn't play like Mourinho did obviously. I enjoyed that game. So, why can't the Special One replicate these 2 sides? Why should he resorted to the least preferred style by the fans?

Hopefully the style changes tonight. Please, no more cagey game. If you guys follow the news, one of the big news is the grass in Mestalla. IINM, its gonna be shorter than the pitch in Bernabeu, and this may give our passing game more advantage.

Really hope for a good game tonight, with Pinto in goal no less rclxms.gif

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Im obviously support man utd n watch their games than barcelona and real

And mourinho did try the attacking approach against barca
And ended up thrashed by 5 goals in nou camp

It did not not work and why would mourinho wan to try it again?
And the team is different compared to last season...

Eventually playing attacking football will please the crowd and subsequently barca will be the 1 benefited from it most of time..

It's not tat real play defensive all th time..mourinho only adopt this against barca..

Cos he noe tat with his current team he has no chance in winning barca playing attacking football..
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It did not not work and why would mourinho wan to try it again?
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Because it might have worked, with a bit of improvisation by Mourinho. Failed once doesn't mean the tactic is totally hopeless.

Yes he did no wrong by playing defensive, but is it wrong for Di Stefano, or Madridistas, or the other side of El Clasico aka Barca and its fans expect that from the Special One? This is the biggest rivalry in the world, and everybody involved have a level of expectation from the encounter. I guess this is what bothers Di Stefano, because instead of major tactical improvements, Mourinho opted to be the 'mouse' being chased.

And in the end, Mourinho's Real still didn't get to win.
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Because it might have worked, with a bit of improvisation by Mourinho. Failed once doesn't mean the tactic is totally hopeless.

Yes he did no wrong by playing defensive, but is it wrong for Di Stefano, or Madridistas, or the other side of El Clasico aka Barca and its fans expect that from the Special One? This is the biggest rivalry in the world, and everybody involved have a level of expectation from the encounter. I guess this is what bothers Di Stefano, because instead of major tactical improvements, Mourinho opted to be the 'mouse' being chased.

And in the end, Mourinho's Real still didn't get to win.
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It's just a possibility cos barca will always have ball under their feet
Whenever real player get the ball..they will press them down...

Any idea to play and get a win against opponent like this?
When no chance or time to build attack from own half...
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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Apr 20 2011, 06:08 PM)
It's just a possibility cos barca will always have ball under their feet
Whenever real player get the ball..they will press them down...

Any idea to play and get a win against opponent like this?
When no chance or time to build attack from own half...
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You asked me? laugh.gif I'm not the Special One brows.gif But I did expect Mourinho to pull off something like that since he is the best tactician out there, and supposedly better than Pep. Is it wrong for anybody expecting that? I think the expectation is fully understandable.


Added on April 20, 2011, 6:21 pmhopefully Mourinho can deliver tonight. I don't mind losing if Real show great game smile.gif

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QUOTE(matyrze @ Apr 20 2011, 06:18 PM)
You asked me? laugh.gif I'm not the Special One brows.gif But I did expect Mourinho to pull off something like that since he is the best tactician out there, and supposedly better than Pep. Is it wrong for anybody expecting that? I think the expectation is fully understandable.


Added on April 20, 2011, 6:21 pmhopefully Mourinho can deliver tonight. I don't mind losing if Real show great game smile.gif
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guys, why do the venue is in mestalla? its valencia stadium right..
is it the largest neutral stadium available (minus noucamp and bernabeu)?
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Sevilla's Sanchez Pizjuan and Betis' stadium, I think these 2 have similar size to Mestalla. Maybe because of logistic issues? Maybe because the alternatives are too far for both sets of fans? Phil Ball wrote once that one of the reason Spanish football have poor tradition of traveling away fans can be related to the size of the country. If the match is held somewhere in Andalucia, the match will see plenty of empty seats. That's my intelligent assumption tongue.gif
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1st half very interesting. both team keep attacking. 2nd half seems like no attack at all from rm.
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unlucky barca, keep attackin but cant put the ball into the net. and great saves by casillas. hopefully can win back in ucl!
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I think RM had the first half, while we imposed ourselves better in the 2nd half. In the end, our players were tired in the extra time, and Real had plenty of reserved stamina to keep on counter attacking. Honestly though, Real's goal could have been prevented. Our defenders went to sleep.

Glad though, that Pep resisted the temptation to risk Puyol. And am proud of Pinto too. He did well, and at times kinda amusing too. His pawnage on Ade was the best rclxms.gif

I just wonder how Pep reacts after this. Its obvious Mou's gonna employ the exactly same tactic. We have to overload their penalty area, no other option. Messi need to be back inside opponent's penalty box. Why do we waste him by playing deep, only to be chased by Pepe and Khedira?

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Rushing to home after finished my work, managed to watch both extra time. Unfortunately, we lost. I hope we'll get them back in UCL this Wednesday.

There's still 2 more epic Clasicos so all the best.
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Well, i think we had our fair share of chances and it might have went either way, but i shall not take credit away from madrid because they played well too, being organized at the back and casillas was big for them too.

They always 3 men trying to close down and challenge the player with the ball at every chance so to break our passing rhythm just like inter did to us last year and i have to say, it works. Look at our 1st half performance. In the 2nd half they let off the pressuring a little bit and also we tried to move the ball around more quickly then we started creating chances, which drew save after save from iker, and also the inches offside pedro goal.

And everytime they snatch the ball they try to launch a quick counterattack. Had they took their chances we might not even be playing extra time.

I really think there are 2 players who needs to man up and live up to their names, namely dani and villa. For the past 2 games, villa has not taken his chances well enough to threaten casillas, although he did win us a penalty in the last game. On the other hand, dani, well, defensively he made a few important tackles for us today but on the offensive side i think marcelo and di maria sort of had the upper hand. I think maybe we can employ pedro to divert some attention off dani, then maybe spaces will open up on the right flank.

Then again, this is just my opinion. We still have a good chance in the UCL semis, where it really matters. Hopefully we score first and i would like to see the reverse in roles where they attack and we counter.

Last but not least, i hope puyol can be back for us for the remainder two matches. Our makeshift defence was not too bad but against madrid i would very much prefer the presence and stability of our capitan.

Anyway, its alright guys. Lets hope we have the final laugh. Visca el barca.
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Anyway, its alright guys. Lets hope we have the final laugh. Visca el barca.
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This is what I'm waiting for!!!

BTW, I don't think they'll attack and we'll counter based on our tiki-taka style.
Really hope our captain could make it for last 2 Clasicos.
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I think Dani only had problems during this last 2 Clasicos. And his problem may be the outcome of limitation of our tactic. Villa's role is more questionable. Villa shouldn't take the left wing position anymore. It is easy to see, he is right-footed, so most of the time Villa will look to cut inside. Surely anybody can anticipate this. With the 2 layers of defense line, he could be snuffed out quickly, or forced to use his weaker foot.

But for me the most important thing is Pep need to change his mentality a bit. Realize that loosing a bit of possession is desirable to put more sense of adventure into our game. Mou always put men in front of goal, so automatically we have to have men in front of their goal in order to score, which would also mean lesser men in midfield. Yes we are more vulnerable to counterattacks, but we may also have increased chance to score. He just needs to deal with the risk. Instead of instructing Messi to help out midfield, instruct Messi, Villa and Pedro to stay near the pen box. Instruct Xavi and Iniesta to alternate between them to joint the strikers, and instruct Adriano to adopt Alves' trademark run behind defenders to bring more surprise element.

This suggestion is just for countering Mou's tactic. I'm not gonna say that this tactic will work, I'm not the coach after all, but what I try to point out is, we have to have men in front of their goal in order to score, and a lot of them.

Mou's tactic is extraordinarily concentrated on breaking our game, its scandalous. Nowhere I see such defensive line in other matches unless the game involves Mou and Pep's Barca. I say if we are forced to deal with it, we shall take the necessary risk. Throw men forward Pep!
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as for me, barca has a very limited gameplay.. which, passing, and attack through the middle.. so, madrid just put 3defensive midfielder in front of their back 4.. so, barca gameplay is to break from the middle is easily being break by madrid...

all pep need is to let messi play from wings & cut inside using his dribling skills.. once messi/bojan create a messy from wings, xavi n iniesta can provide their support through the middle & villa can standby in penalty box to do the finishing... just my 2 cents
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QUOTE(faizhassan @ Apr 21 2011, 12:49 PM)
so sad to see y real damnrid play like stoke city (park the bus in front of gol)....hmmm, kinda bacul 2 me...just my personal opinion
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hmm. not really.
they didn't play too defensive if you compare with last saturday.
they came out with all guns blazing in the 1st half.
we really had trouble dealing with them.

only in the 2nd half we took control of the match.
and they were pushed back really deep.


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QUOTE(matyrze @ Apr 21 2011, 10:38 AM)
I think Dani only had problems during this last 2 Clasicos. And his problem may be the outcome of limitation of our tactic. Villa's role is more questionable. Villa shouldn't take the left wing position anymore. It is easy to see, he is right-footed, so most of the time Villa will look to cut inside. Surely anybody can anticipate this. With the 2 layers of defense line, he could be snuffed out quickly, or forced to use his weaker foot.

But for me the most important thing is Pep need to change his mentality a bit. Realize that loosing a bit of possession is desirable to put more sense of adventure into our game. Mou always put men in front of goal, so automatically we have to have men in front of their goal in order to score, which would also mean lesser men in midfield. Yes we are more vulnerable to counterattacks, but we may also have increased chance to score. He just needs to deal with the risk. Instead of instructing Messi to help out midfield, instruct Messi, Villa and Pedro to stay near the pen box. Instruct Xavi and Iniesta to alternate between them to joint the strikers, and instruct Adriano to adopt Alves' trademark run behind defenders to bring more surprise element.

This suggestion is just for countering Mou's tactic. I'm not gonna say that this tactic will work, I'm not the coach after all, but what I try to point out is, we have to have men in front of their goal in order to score, and a lot of them.

Mou's tactic is extraordinarily concentrated on breaking our game, its scandalous. Nowhere I see such defensive line in other matches unless the game involves Mou and Pep's Barca. I say if we are forced to deal with it, we shall take the necessary risk. Throw men forward Pep!
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DIVE maria was a make shift LB just like Etoo last season. Thats how lethal Alves is. He makes teams change their formation and tactics.
I just dont understand why Pedro was moved to the left instead of running circles around Marcelo and Dive Maria with Alves.

I prefer Villa playing on the left actually as our midfielders dont make use of his diagonal runs when he is in the middle.


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QUOTE(barca96 @ Apr 21 2011, 04:40 PM)
hmm. not really.
they didn't play too defensive if you compare with last saturday.
they came out with all guns blazing in the 1st half.
we really had trouble dealing with them.

only in the 2nd half we took control of the match.
and they were pushed back really deep.


I think they also sat deep during the first half. It just that we didn't attack them effectively. We keep losing the ball in midfield, so their defensive gameplay was not obvious. But when we turned it up, the catennacio was for all to see.

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DIVE maria was a make shift LB just like Etoo last season. Thats how lethal Alves is. He makes teams change their formation and tactics.
I just dont understand why Pedro was moved to the left instead of running circles around Marcelo and Dive Maria with Alves.

I prefer Villa playing on the left actually as our midfielders dont make use of his diagonal runs when he is in the middle.
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Xaviesta may never make use of Villa's diagonal runs. How could they thread their through balls between the 2 layers of defense line? Moreover, if Villa cut inside from the left, he would only meet dead end. As of last night, when cutting inside, Ramos, Arbeloa, Khedira and Xabi might all surround him. The best he could do then was to pass the ball back, or try his luck with his weak left foot. Isn't that a waste of opportunity?

But Villa in the middle can be the fox in the pen box. I think he should do more runs like the one he made against Albiol at Bernabeu. Messi and Iniesta play together in tight spaces just at the edge on the area, Pedro can be the 2nd poacher, pouncing on loose balls.

I just can't envisioned any other tactic to beat the ridiculous wall. As I said, the wall is pretty unusual, and that's an understatement.


Added on April 21, 2011, 6:02 pmAnd obviously, we should do more of this. More, more, more.



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i oso have no idea how to beat tiki taka without using extreme approach ...
good game this morning

by the way..i really dislike busquet and masherano
and some of real players acting

really ugly game.. especially on the 1st half

arbeloa can get a red on that...

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busquet is well known for his academy award acting. eventhough i love barca but i also really didnt like player like busquet. hoho.

but sumtimes he can be great cb too rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Apr 21 2011, 06:21 PM)
i oso have no idea how to beat tiki taka without using extreme approach ...
good game this morning

.....

really ugly game.. especially on the 1st half


Why were you contradicting yourself? laugh.gif

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Ugh, please cut the dive crap. Diving doesn't happen only in El Clasico. Nor divers are only Barca/Real players. Football is littered with divers. This discussion is pointless like discussing every of Ref's decisions......

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[quote=matyrze,Apr 21 2011, 10:38 AM]
I think Dani only had problems during this last 2 Clasicos. And his problem may be the outcome of limitation of our tactic. Villa's role is more questionable. Villa shouldn't take the left wing position anymore. It is easy to see, he is right-footed, so most of the time Villa will look to cut inside. Surely anybody can anticipate this. With the 2 layers of defense line, he could be snuffed out quickly, or forced to use his weaker foot.

I'M AGREE WITH matyrze, villa should play as top striker, like ibrahimovic score in el clasicos last season, supply by dani, hope villa can score and play like national team, xavi, iniesta, fabregas can pass ball well to villa... c'mon pep, give him back the actual pos, u can see the villa eyes, he really2 hunger to score..more..and...more.... messi as free role, to avoid any man marking and through ball between defender......... smile.gif
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was the stadium full? =P
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was the stadium full? =P
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QUOTE(hammers @ Apr 21 2011, 09:18 PM)
was the stadium full? =P
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We want Nou Mestalla!!
We want Nou Mestalla!!
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Added on April 21, 2011, 6:02 pmAnd obviously, we should do more of this. More, more, more.


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Well, I think Villa is the most suitable person to break RMA's offside-trap just like he did when he scored 2 back in November.
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Move on guys..let's hope Pep is going to do something to encounter their tactics...All the best Barca!
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Apr 21 2011, 10:22 PM)
We want Nou Mestalla!!
We want Nou Mestalla!!
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no money la bang.. need to sell more players~~
so Mestalla stadium full for the 1st time?
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Why were you contradicting yourself? laugh.gif
Ugh, please cut the dive crap. Diving doesn't happen only in El Clasico. Nor divers are only Barca/Real players. Football is littered with divers. This discussion is pointless like discussing every of Ref's decisions......
...errrrr, yeah I think so too tongue.gif Assuming that you refer to the same incident I have in mind of course blush.gif
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ugly as in stomping and diving and player surroundings referee
don't happen tat much in previous encounter ....
and i dont against playing ugly to win ..as in defensive and body charged
but not stomping and diving + acting

well yea... they acted and dived to get others got cautioned..
this is sick ..the amount in this el-classico is higher than usual...
maybe the fact tat this is cup final justify thats and rivalry between 2 teams

lol...got any other incident than stomping villa?

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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Apr 22 2011, 12:46 AM)
ugly as in stomping and diving and player surroundings referee
don't happen tat much in previous encounter ....
and i dont against playing ugly to win ..as in defensive and body charged
but not stomping and diving + acting

well yea... they acted and dived to get others got cautioned..
this is sick ..the amount in this el-classico is higher than usual...
maybe the fact tat this is cup final justify thats and rivalry between 2 teams

lol...got any other incident than stomping villa?
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How about Pepe's step on messi's ankle?
But yeah, cant really blame them, imagine you were one of them, stakes are high, pressure sky rocketing...There's bound to be challenges (and dives) from both sides.
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i wish pep can make use of Affelay ability to make a long shot outside the box like he always did... n throw pedro in 2nd half so he can use his freshness & pace to beat madrid defender....i wish.....
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Villa has been bullied around for the past two matches.


Arbeloa always seemed to me like the quiet but dirty type of player.
Notice how he first tries to elbow Villa, after he missed, "lets step on the man's ankle".
Last saturday Villa was targeted too.

Not to be out done, Pepe is still the no.1 thug though
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/c6/fullj.da...d-barcelona.jpg

look where his eyes are..


And now on to something a bit to cheer us up.
Ramos dropping the CUp

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no money la bang.. need to sell more players~~
so Mestalla stadium full for the 1st time?
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Building a new stadium is different matter. I really doubt you guys may be able to build after just selling players. Valencia need new investors for the project, or need Dubai branded gold. Even constant participation in CL may not improve the situation by much.

I wonder how Valencia could be so determined to start off the project in the first place sweat.gif

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How about Pepe's step on messi's ankle?
But yeah, cant really blame them, imagine you were one of them, stakes are high, pressure sky rocketing...There's bound to be challenges (and dives) from both sides.
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i saw tat too ....but i think tat 1 is late challenge...

but tat sentence just refer to arbeloa vs villa challenge
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Palermo increase asking price of Real Madrid and Barcelona target Javier Pastore to over €60m laugh.gif

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By Salvatore Landolina

Palermo president Maurizio Zamparini will use any excuse to command extra income from a Javier Pastore sale, claiming his fee is now over €60 million, 24 hours after suggesting €40m was not enough.

The 21-year-old Argentinian playmaker was in sensational form against AC Milan in Wednesday 2-2 Coppa Italia semi-final, first-leg draw at San Siro.

He scored and then helped created Abel Hernandez's strike for the second. Before the game Zamparini had said between €40m and €50m would not be enough to sign the Real Madrid and Barcelona target.

Now he has said it will take more than €60m as he aims to generate a higher fee.

"Pastore is worth from €60m going upwards," Zamparini told Radio Radio.

He then issued sage advice to players by telling them they could have done more to secure a win at San Siro.

"We still have to learn how to manage a game when we are in the lead," he added.

"But I believe we can make the Coppa Italia final."

Palermo take on Napoli in Serie A this weekend, and host Milan in the return leg of their semi-final on May 10.


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ouch. 2 more classicos. and both midweek game. bring masch , let him nullified pepe
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Palermo increase asking price of Real Madrid and Barcelona target Javier Pastore to over €60m  laugh.gif
http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2011/...d-and-barcelona
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ouch. 2 more classicos. and both midweek game. bring masch , let him nullified pepe
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ouch andriano is out. guess maxwell will replace his spot. but maxwell slow a bit. how bout our capitan puyol?
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QUOTE(solidsnake_84 @ Apr 23 2011, 08:37 AM)
ouch andriano is out. guess maxwell will replace his spot. but maxwell slow a bit. how bout our capitan puyol?
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i think Pep will rest Puyol for Osasuna to give him some more time.
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Apr 23 2011, 11:33 AM)
i think Pep will rest Puyol for Osasuna to give him some more time.
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guys, seems real is thrashing valencia now.. damm, hope we wont drop any point tonite.. come on la valencia..haiya..
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QUOTE(uzary @ Apr 24 2011, 01:15 AM)
guys, seems real is thrashing valencia now.. damm, hope we wont drop any point tonite.. come on la valencia..haiya..
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ya...Real Madrid is super confident now... sad.gif ..come on barca!!
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fuhh..lucky we win.. quite a boring match i say.. seems we still not really in a confident mentality.. FT 2-0
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We're back with blasts!
So Shakira was there with her Pique & our Capitan was seen there as well.

Missed the live match, damn OT.
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Yeah, even bojan sat with them. bojan-puyol-pique-shakira LOL

Anyway, i think afellay is still not performing. He seen quite a lot of the ball today but he dared not put in penetrative passes and sometimes right after his bursting runs down the flank he throws in some blind crosses. Good if we were stoke city, but we're barca.. You cant just throw in blind crosses to a bunch of 170+cms players.........Once he even made a cross when nobody was inside doh.gif doh.gif sweat.gif
I think he needs to be more confident at his game as we know wat he is capable of...I hope he improves his game..Pep, use your magic!!!!
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QUOTE(uzary @ Apr 24 2011, 03:57 AM)
fuhh..lucky we win.. quite a boring match i say.. seems we still not really in a confident mentality.. FT 2-0
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Yeah, even bojan sat with them. bojan-puyol-pique-shakira LOL

Anyway, i think afellay is still not performing. He seen quite a lot of the ball today but he dared not put in penetrative passes and sometimes right after his bursting runs down the flank he throws in some blind crosses. Good if we were stoke city, but we're barca.. You cant just throw in blind crosses to a bunch of 170+cms players.........Once he even made a cross when nobody was inside  doh.gif  doh.gif  sweat.gif
I think he needs to be more confident at his game as we know wat he is capable of...I hope he improves his game..Pep, use your magic!!!!
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indeed..we struggled to win the game..our passes are awfull no concentration at all...)=...i hope this doesn't happen in CL..come on barca!!
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i think pep needs to do something with our defense. if our defense performing the same level like the past couple of weeks. we indeed looking for trouble against madrid. last night wasnt really count because we all aware what milito really is. hope that puyol and whoever his partner is, will fix the problem
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QUOTE(Robin Hood @ Apr 24 2011, 02:09 PM)
i think pep needs to do something with our defense. if our defense performing the same level like the past couple of weeks. we indeed looking for trouble against madrid. last night wasnt really count because we all aware what milito really is. hope that puyol and whoever his partner is, will fix the problem
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I don't think defense is the problem. We deal mostly with counterattacks. No matter how good your system is, your system will always be exposed to counterattacks, unless your defensive lines is set up so deep. This is how football works. This is why lesser football teams play with that tactic against bigger teams. That is their only chance to score goals for themselves.

Now, imagine a big team, who have sucha pacey blokes, like CR, Maria, or Ozil, imagine how their counterattacks looks like. Well, if you watched Valencia's game last night, with half fit Kaka, Higuain and Karim counterattacked, I think you've got your answer.

So how Barca's gonna counter this counterattacking style? I honestly feel there's no way. But what can Pep do now is to instill the ruthlessness into the team again. Make them as ruthless as earlier this season. Messi's been scoring goals, but he tends to drift out too often in matches. Villa has to be installed in the middle again. Iniesta has to find his concentration again. Xavi needs his forwards to make the right movements. In short, let us hope Pep will come out with another inspirational video again. That's probably our only chance.
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It's either that the players were;

1) mentally and psychically exhausted after two hard fought matches against Madrid.

2) no motivation since they know Madrid can't catch up with them. That explains the laid back attitude on the pitch that resulted in poor first touches and over hit, too soft or way ward passes.
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QUOTE(myhotgary2 @ Apr 24 2011, 10:40 AM)
Yeah, even bojan sat with them. bojan-puyol-pique-shakira LOL

Anyway, i think afellay is still not performing. He seen quite a lot of the ball today but he dared not put in penetrative passes and sometimes right after his bursting runs down the flank he throws in some blind crosses. Good if we were stoke city, but we're barca.. You cant just throw in blind crosses to a bunch of 170+cms players.........Once he even made a cross when nobody was inside  doh.gif  doh.gif  sweat.gif
I think he needs to be more confident at his game as we know wat he is capable of...I hope he improves his game..Pep, use your magic!!!!
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Agreed.. Affelay, he got a lot of potential.. his pace is lightning speed.. however he is not seem confident in controlling the ball.. hopefully he'll become much more better as time goes by.. flex.gif


Added on April 26, 2011, 12:25 am
btw guys..in 2 days we gona play real again in the cl..however feel that we cant win against them as long as they keep playing with their current formation with pepe as a dm.. really hope we can perform like the last tym we thrash them 5-0.. has our luck has run out to win against them?

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guys, maxwell is doubtful for the trip, which means we're officially out of left backs, the position that we have most players to fill in for (abi & adriano), besides defensive midfielder (masch,busi,keita)...zzzzz


Added on April 26, 2011, 6:08 ambtw, either we have a drastic change of tactics, which i dun see that coming from pep, or we could further master our usual game plan.. pass the ball around quicker and our forwards need to do some penetrating runs. Messi can come play in the hole feeding pedro and villa up front, i guess thats how..

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QUOTE(uzary @ Apr 25 2011, 12:39 AM)

Added on April 26, 2011, 12:25 am
btw guys..in 2 days we gona play real again in the cl..however feel that we cant win against them as long as they keep playing with their current formation with pepe as a dm.. really hope we can perform like the last tym we thrash them 5-0.. has our luck has run out to win against them?
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QUOTE(uzary @ Apr 25 2011, 12:39 AM)

Added on April 26, 2011, 12:25 am
btw guys..in 2 days we gona play real again in the cl..however feel that we cant win against them as long as they keep playing with their current formation with pepe as a dm.. really hope we can perform like the last tym we thrash them 5-0.. has our luck has run out to win against them?
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of course we can win. our players just have to move the ball faster.
and in the 2nd half on the Copa final, he was all tired out.
and with a proper referee, he would slow down with his thuggishness and dirty play.

that 5-0 manita is once in a decade performance.
please don't hope for a repeat performance.
in order to achieve that, everyone has to be on their A-game, 100%.

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where kierisson K9??? i thought he loan to Santos.... hope next season, he can be our lethal weapon as top striker....
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i think to beat mourinho tactic, by spam a lot of crossing. bcoz cant penetrate from mid. but to do that, need a striker that good at heading. if ibra still with us.. now i miss ibra lol..
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QUOTE(solidsnake_84 @ Apr 26 2011, 10:12 PM)
i think to beat mourinho tactic, by spam a lot of crossing. bcoz cant penetrate from mid. but to do that, need a striker that good at heading. if ibra still with us.. now i miss ibra lol..
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use pique like last time vs inter lol
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heading...??? torres can...??? hehehehe
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The most interesting facts that since the last 3 el clasicos, there's always a player who has been sent off due to red card.
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damn it!!! iniesta is out for madrid clash!!!

INIESTA is OUT!!!!

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Well, the number of injuries is really disturbing. Now I can say we will pose absolutely no threat on left hand side.

Is there any hope that Mou to go crazy tonight and decides to go attacking?
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This time it's personal. Barcelona's coach, Josep Guardiola, finally exploded, sending a year of pent-up anger and frustration gushing forth as he responded to José Mourinho on the eve of the Champions League semi-final against Real Madrid.

The question now is whether Mourinho will feel that he has won the mental battle, dragging Guardiola into territory that is not his own, or if Guardiola will feel a release at having at last had his say. And what a say it was. The days of a respectful silence, of turning the other cheek, are definitively over. This was more like the aggressive weigh-in before a prize fight, complete with an air of "you and me outside".

Mourinho had pricked Guardiola's pride once too often by accusing him of complaining about referees who get decisions right. It was an accusation that Guardiola, normally so measured, was not prepared to let pass – the last straw after a year that has been a war of attrition. Guardiola was finally drawn into battle. "He called me Pep, so I answered," Guardiola said at the end of a breathtaking 45 minutes. "Normally, he talks in general terms about a team, a club or a manager, but this time he named me. If he says: 'Pep,' I say: 'Hey, José.'"

He said more than "hey". Sitting down in the press room at the Santiago Bernabéu, he said: "As Mourinho has spoken so candidly about me and spoken about me by name, and using tú [the informal form of you], then I will do the same." He then asked which of the gathered cameras was "Mourinho's camera" and began.

"Tomorrow at 8.45 we will play a match on the field," Guardiola said. " Outside of the field, he has won the entire year, the entire season and in the future [it will be the same]. He can have his personal Champions League outside the field. Fine. Let him enjoy it, I'll give him that. But this is a game. When it comes to sport we will play and sometimes we will win, sometimes we will lose. We are happy with smaller victories, trying to get the world to admire us and we are very proud of this.

"I can give you an immense list of things [that we could complain about]: 300,000 things. We could remember Stamford Bridge and another thousand things but I do not have that many people working for me. Secretaries and referees and people writing stuff. So tomorrow, 8.45pm, we will take to the field and we will try to play football as best as possible.

"In this room [Real Madrid's press room], he is the chief, the f***ing man. In here he is the f***ing man and I can't compete with him. If Barcelona want someone who competes with that, then they should look for another manager. But we, as a person and an institution, don't do that. I could talk about [Olegario] Bequerença [the referee from last season's Barcelona-Inter semi-final first leg], about the offside goal from Diego Milito or the penalty of [Dani] Alves, but I don't. Well, until tonight!

"If you think after three years, that I always moan, always make excuses and always complain, then there is nothing I can do about that.

Mourinho had provoked Guardiola by referring to comments his rival made after Madrid's victory in the Copa del Rey final last week. Guardiola had noted that his side had been close to winning: had a Pedro goal not been ruled out for a very close but correct offside, described by the coach as "the linesman's good eyesight", Barcelona might have taken the trophy.

"A new era has begun," Mourinho said on Tuesday. "Until now there were two groups of coaches. One very, very small group of coaches that don't speak about refs and then a big group of coaches, of which I am part, who criticise the refs when they have mistakes – people like me who don't control their frustration but also people who are happy to value a great job from a ref.

"Now there is a third group, which is only [Guardiola], that criticises referees when they get decisions right! There is a new meaning to [football] now. In his first season [Guardiola] lived the scandal of Stamford Bridge [in the semi-final], last year he played against a 10-man Inter. Now he is not happy with refs getting it right. I am not asking the referee to help my team. If the referee is good everyone will be happy – except Guardiola. He wants them to get it wrong."

Guardiola worked with Mourinho at Barcelona but considers their relationship to be shattered by this. "We worked together for four years. He knows me, I know him and that's all. If he wants to go by things written after the Copa del Rey by friends from the written press or Florentino Pérez, with his milkmaid's tales, then fine. If that matters more than our relationship, then that's up to him. I am not going to justify my words. It leaves a bad taste in your mouth when someone you had a relationship with does [what he has done]. I always thought that when people didn't understand me, it was because I had explained myself badly, but now I don't. I said the referee [in the cup final] had been smart and very attentive. I said it was right. I pointed out simply that the result can be down to small things, that's all. It was not a complaint. After victory I congratulated Real Madrid and that is what Barcelona does. We congratulated RM for the cup that they won on the field against a team that I represent proudly."

Asked if this was just a tactic, Guardiola replied: "What? You think my players will run around more because I looked for Mourinho's camera? It's a semi-final!"

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pray for milito & puyol to be available tonite.. i wish pep can employed busquet & masherano as a defensive midfielder duo tonite.. so that both of them are able to cover the counter attacking football played by madrid...

-forza barcelona-
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Josep Maria Bartomeu : "Enough is enough Mourinho"


Josep Maria Bartomeu joined Pep Guardiola in criticism poured on Jose Mourinho in the wake of this attack to the Barcelona coach. FC Barcelona vice-president believes it's time to say "enough" to an entire season of attacks by the Real coach. "There have been two times that exceeded the limit of patience and have reached out to remove. The first was when Barcelona was accused of doping, and therefore put a complaint to COPE and now with the personal attack to our coach. "

Bartomeu could not help but remember that "throughout the season, Mr Mourinho has not stopped attacking us with the referees, schedule, playing 10 against 11, the grass ... We have not said anything, because our philosophy is to play football and ignore anything else, but these two personal attacks that we have done enough. And here we are all together, coaches, players and managers. "

Barcelona vice president explained that "Mr. Mourinho should know that the press in Catalonia is independent and does not write to dictation, as in other places." Is clear that, as you said Guardiola, "we want to go back to our one speech, the one we know and that is none other than football, leaving the field to play and forget everything else and that's what we do tonight . With the players we have come out to play and try to pass the final. "

Barca leader reiterated that "we just want to talk football, but we can not let personal attacks such as those conducted for all staff and to our coach."
One thing I do notice nowadays is that Barca lacks the media power championing our club. We lack the back up from media to express our point of view to wider audience. It frustrates me as a cule.

Now I can fully understand why Pep finally lost his temper. Pep has been trying to ignore all this antics by Mou, and he even managed to say good things about Mou when he had the chance. He said after Mou won the European Best Coach award:

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“He is probably the best coach in the world. Mourinho’s career is perfect. His run in several countries is immaculate.”


And yet, we hear more and more trash talking from the Special One, and things get worse when he launched personal attack to Guardiola. The press and fans hailed him as the best coach our era, I don't care about that. Trying to get into the head of his opposite numbers just before the crucial games, just to get the 'psychological edge', personally I can't stand this sh!t. Very disgusting.


Added on April 27, 2011, 2:04 pmIf you guys want to know more of this Pep vs Mou media strom, check out Sid Lowe's twitter.

One of the stuffs he wrote:

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Guardiola had clearly decided that he was going to do this. Not a snap response to question, but a concerted performance from start.
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Pep lose his temper, hopefully he can express his temperament by thrashing madrid tonite n next week.. hope by winning the semis will make Mou shut his mouth......
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wow im getting nervous bout the match tonite!!


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QUOTE(kokakopi @ Apr 27 2011, 03:06 PM)
Pep lose his temper, hopefully he can express his temperament by thrashing madrid tonite n next week.. hope by winning the semis will make Mou shut his mouth......
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he never shut one la. nnt ada je alasan rclxms.gif

im glad that pep is our coach not mou lol.

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I think it's a matter of misunderstanding, maybe Mourinho reads it wrong that it comes to this conclusion. I think the media in Spain were to be blame, just look at Marca and Sport, that does not help football.
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QUOTE(miccy @ Apr 27 2011, 08:09 PM)
I think it's a matter of misunderstanding, maybe Mourinho reads it wrong that it comes to this conclusion. I think the media in Spain were to be blame, just look at Marca and Sport, that does not help football.
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That is what Pep tried to point out. Read the second last paragraph of fcbarcelona-my's news excerpt. Instead of trusting a friend who he knows very well, having worked closely in the same team for 4 years at one time, Mourinho chose to hear what Madrid press has to say.

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