Ephesians 1:5

And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.


God's System is different.

The world's system is as what you said, I will only believe if I see it.

God's System is opposite. Notice that we always mention about the Anti-Christ which is the opposite of God?

Satan has created a system which is opposite of God's system so that many people will fall into this trap and doubt God.

Im never oppose God. I been trying to seek god but no reply given so I give up.

If god is so caring why he never show me a sign to believe in him?

What do u do when u try to seek someone but no answer given? natural is to give up.

Im dunno wat reward and all that. Its just human talk from christai believer but nobody ever receive the reward.

I tink im more suit for world reward where u can see result of your labour than doing something whic no reply and dunno if its worth your effort

I will pray for you brother, I've been in your position before. Don't give up.

Meditate on this:


John 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.
John 6:39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
John 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.



God Bless.

gtg, will reply back this thread when I get back. See you guise in the night.

Agreed - when you are alone, it's very hard to grow. Living the Christian life is not just about "being a good person" (a phrase that is subject to personal interpretation). In reality it involves a lifelong struggle to discipline yourself and walk the narrow path.

The moment you become a Christian you're partaking in a spiritual warfare against all sorts of temptations, distractions, deceptions, doubts and other spiritual attacks that will be thrown at you. It is always good to have ppl praying for you and encouraging you along the way. You will also be able to encourage others in turn and have your own faith strengthened. Being in the church fellowship gives you opportunities to serve and in time grow and mature spiritually as well. So, even though it's true that you are still part of the church without having to enter a church building every week, it's best not to walk alone

Ecclesiastes 4:12
Though one may be overpowered, two can defend themselves. A cord of three strands is not quickly broken.

Perhaps copying and pasting from a source that is slightly more informed than the Skeptics Annotated Bible will lend your assertions some greater weight.

In ancient times there was no standardized version of the Old Testament. Different Jewish groups and different regions had their own versions. There were the Septuagint, the Aquila, Theodotion's version and Symmachu's version, all containing different text and different numbers of books. The Old Testament used by modern Christians is based on the Massonetic version which only appeared after the Jamnia Synod at the end of the 1st century AD. The New Testament did not appear in its present form until the year 404 AD, nearly four hundred years after the death of Jesus. Before that time, the Gospels of Thomas, the Gospel of Nicodemus, the Acts of Peter, the Acts of Paul and a dozen other books were included in the Bible. In 404 AD these books were simply cut out of the Bible because they contained teachings that were contrary to Christian theology of that time. One of the oldest existing Bibles, The Codex Sinaiticus, includes the Epistle of Barnabas, a book that is not included in the modern Bible. If these books were considered to be revelation by early Christians why don't modern Christians consider them to be revelation? When we look at the Bibles used by modern Christians we find that there are several different versions. The Bible used by the Ethiopian Church, one of the most ancient of all churches, contains the Books of Enoch and the Shepherd of Hernias which are not found in the versions used by Catholics and Protestants. The Bible used in the Catholic Church contains the books of Judith, Tobias, Banuch, etc which have been cut out of the Bible used in Protestant churches. Prof H.L. Drummingwright of the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in his introduction to the Bible explains how these books came to be cut out of the Bible used by the Protestants. These books were, he says, "in most Protestant Bibles until the 19th century, when publishers, led by the British and Foreign Bible Society voluntarily began to omit them". Once again, these books contained ideas which the churches did not like so they just cut them out. How can a book like Judith be the infallible word. of God one moment and not the next? Why are there so many different versions of the Bible? And which version is the infallible word of God?

unreliable source for truth to say the least

This post has been edited by hotjake: Feb 27 2012, 04:19 PM

Amen Brother. Praise God for another strong believer. I love the correct wisdom you just posted, God Bless!

Well of course what contradicts Christianity teaching should be remove. The Book of Judith for example. What she does has nothing to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

To remove does not necessary mean it's an untrue event but merely does not relate to the Gospel Of Jesus. The main theme and everything in the Bible is about Jesus Christ.

No need. This thread if for fellowship among believers. No need to get riled up by provocation from people who does not understand.

Investigators may have discovered earliest evidence of Christian iconography in Jerusalem.



Investigators using a robotic arm equipped with a remote-controlled camera have discovered what is being called the earliest evidence of Christian iconography in Jerusalem.

The newly discovered ossuary carries a Greek inscription calling on God to "raise up" someone, which is being interpreted as an early reference to the biblical resurrection of Jesus.

A second limestone box appears to show the carved image of a fish, which may be a reference to the biblical prophet Jonah. This would be a historical first, as references to the resurrection had not previously been discovered before the 2nd century.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/inves...-231736336.html

Those who are going through trouble times. Have Faith.

Morning Song for a great Day.

In Psalm 84 we have the secret revelation of the enjoyment of Christ as the tabernacle of God, the enterable God. The center of this revelation is the house of God – in order for us to see the secret revelation of the enjoyment of Christ we need to see the house of God. Actually, the house of God is the center of the whole Bible – from the Old Testament (where the history of the people of Israel was centered around the tabernacle and the temple) to the New Testament (where we see that God’s desire is to have the church, the Body of Christ).

God desires to have a dwelling place

God doesn’t want His people to merely worship Him, serve Him, and obey His commandments; rather, hidden in God’s heart is that He would have a dwelling place! The very first vision in the Bible in Gen. 28 is concerning Bethel, God dwelling in man and man dwelling in God. In Exodus God brought the people of Israel out of Egypt and into the wilderness so that He may reveal His desire for a tabernacle among them. Moses received the blueprint, the pattern, of the tabernacle, and the arrangement of the furnishings in the tabernacle depicts our experience and entrance into Christ as the embodiment of the Triune God!

Christ is the enterable Triune God

The Father, the Son, and the Spirit coexist (exist at the same time) and coinhere (dwell in one another) – the Father is in the Son, the Son is in the Father, and the Father and the Son are in the Spirit. In Christ, God has passed through a long process through incarnation, human living, crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension, so that He is now the processed and consummated Triune God. This Christ as such a One is the portion allotted to all the saints by God (Col. 1:12) and He is the enterable Triune God so that we may enter into God and enjoy all that He is!

Before Christ came, God could only dwell among men, but after the process Christ passed through, by receiving Christ and experiencing Him as all the furnishing of the tabernacle, we can enter into God! The way we enter into God is by having all our problems solved (at the bronze altar) and by being washed to become the new creation (at the laver) – these qualify us to enter into the incarnated God (signified by the tabernacle). We enter further into God by enjoying Christ as our daily supply (at the showbread table), the light of life (at the lampstand), and at the incense altar being accepted by God and having intimate fellowship with God!

God desires that man would enter into God!

From the picture of the tabernacle in the Old Testament we can clearly see that God desires man to enter into God! God desires to be incarnated in man – and His incarnation is continued everytime a sinner calls on the name of the Lord! After we receive the Lord, we are daily getting out of ourselves and entering into the Triune God by experiencing and enjoying Christ as the reality of all the furnishings in the tabernacle. God doesn’t want us to merely worship Him or fear Him objectively – God wants His people to enter into Him and have intimate fellowship and communion with Him!

God desires that man would enter into God!

The arrangement of the furnishings in the tabernacle is not random or objective but it signifies our experience of Christ to enter into the Triune God as the tabernacle. We first come to the bronze altar, the cross of Christ, where all our sins, problems, issues, tresspasses, etc are dealt with and terminated. From there we go on to the laver, where we need a further washing – we need to be cleansed and purified of anything natural by the washing of the water in the Word. These two – the bronze altar and the laver for washing – qualify us to enter into the tabernacle for us to further get into the Triune God.

After the bronze altar and the laver, we enter into the Holy Place to enjoy Christ as our food, our life supply, as typified by the showbread table. Christ is fresh, new, supplying, and “hot” as hot bread, daily available for our supply. Also, we enjoy Christ as the light of life shining on us (the lampstand), exposing us, infusing us, and purifying us. At the golden altar we offer Christ as the incense for God’s acceptance – God is satisfied! Through the death of Christ, the veil between the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies has been rent (Matt. 27:51; Heb. 10:20) – now we can come forward into the Holy of Holies to the throne of grace!

On the lid of the ark of the covenant we meet with God – here the blood for propitiation is sprinkled, and here we meet with God to have His speaking. We enjoy Him as the resurrection life for authority (the budding rod), the law of the Spirit of life (the tablets of the law), and the hidden portion of supply for our nourishment (the hidden manna in the golden pot). Hallelujah, we can enter all the way into the Holy of Holies, where the ark is, where the shekinah glory of God is! Here we meet with God and here we are infused with God, as Christ in His ascension ascends as the fragrant incense to be approved to God

Same with me...but then i realise that reward is actually in heaven, not in this world.
Rewards in this world, like wealthy, will only bring disaster in your life...
always remember God love you....

"who shall not receive a HUNDREDFOLD now in this time … and in the age to come, eternal life.” (Mark 10:29-30)

Actually if you don't mind I want to add:

nothing wrong with having wealth in this world for all Good things come from God.

Only Do not seek wealth overtaking God as your priority.

IN Fact God has mention in Matthew 6:33

But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

Meaning to say Don't seek wealth nor the material things of this world as your priority in life.

It doesn't say having wealth is going to ruin you. There is a difference.

A lot of Christians have misunderstood thinking Wealth and Prosperity is wrong to have.

But the truth is, God will bless who ever seek after him, can be blessing of health, wisdom, wealth, whatever.

One thing though, If God has given you blessing of whatever, including financial blessings do not ever say You do not want because it's like saying

You're resisting his Giving.

God Bless.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 5 2012, 10:27 AM

that makes sense because churches need money, pastors need money to survive. so make more so that they can grow and spread wide

Well Praise Jesus for his goodness.

The devil will use anything even the things of God to twist and confuse believers.

Yes even to that extend.

That is why it is very important to know the word of God to set us free and to resist the Devil.

Philippians 4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

John 10:10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.

Bold emphasis added.

there are many topics recently which discussing negatively about Israel, please do pray for the peace in our country among the citizens

I believe there's a movement in most of the Churches in Malaysia praying for the Nation.
We are also praying for boldness for each born again Malaysians in Christ to stand up for their statutory rights.

Recently I heard that the Bible in Malay was allowed by the government.

That is our God answering prayers!

As for Israel, I don't know what to say, All I know is that God is watching over them.

Those who have the heart to pray for Israel, should do so.

ok, for those who wan a better understanding about God commitment on Israel suggest you this book

Why Care About Israel? How the Jewish Nation Is Key to Unleashing God's Blessings in the 21st Century by Sandra Teplinsky

This post has been edited by De_Luffy: Mar 5 2012, 08:27 PM

As what I remembered, the Israelites during Moses time encountered God through direct first hand experience.

They could visibly see the Glory of God. That wouldn't have taken much faith to believe because they experience God's presence travelling with them as pillar of cloud by day and pillar of fire by night. And God took care of them Fed them. That would have lifted up anybody's faith sky rocketing by today's standard.

Can't brain why the Israelites don't seem to get it.

But I believe every event have a purpose and their exodus is to teach us to trust in God dynamically for everything because the moment we try and resist God's will it will not cancelled his promise only delay it.

Their exodus of 40 years journey into the promise land of what could have only taken an 11 day journey proves it.

God Bless.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 5 2012, 10:46 PM