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lycaphim
post Apr 9 2011, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Apr 9 2011, 01:33 PM)
I have one question....if a Christian says that the Bible is not the inspired word of God, and that they're just very good documentations... what to do?  I got really scared of course, because if the Bible is not the inspired word of God then everything can be doubted and refuted.
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Hello!

The Bible is a patchwork of many different books with many different genres. It contains history, allegory and poetry among other things.

As to whether the Bible is the inspired Word of God, this is a belief formed throughout Church History and is the claim of the author of 2 Timothy 3:16, for example.

Nevertheless, the Bible should not just be accepted blindly and must of course be tested according to its authenticity and historicity. I can recommend this work by F.F. Bruce for starters (talks about the New Testament mainly, but is a good overview on this issue nonetheless): http://www.bible.ca/b-new-testament-documents-f-f-bruce.htm

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post May 19 2011, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(ryanliew87 @ May 19 2011, 04:35 PM)
inb4 DAP tries to topple Christians as PM
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Huh? hmm.gif
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post May 20 2011, 02:58 PM

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@Debbiesys - The plurality of views on the Bible and other topics is something that you will need to get used to when talking with Protestant Christians.

I usually give the example of doctors or scientists - you can see various doctors and they may give you different diagnoses and scientists may have different interpretations of the data. But of course, this in no way discredits the profession of doctors and scientists. Nor does it mean it is hopeless or pointless to continue learning and looking until we finally have enough to make up our mind.

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post May 20 2011, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(timetravelller @ May 20 2011, 03:02 PM)
does gambling prohibited? any exception?
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Hi there, the Bible doesn't speak explicitly about gambling and strictly speaking, there is very little difference between gambling and gaming.

The only issue here is addiction to gambling - which, whether you are a Christian or not - is a bad thing.
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post May 20 2011, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ May 20 2011, 03:21 PM)
That's is different perspective between bible and doctor or scientist. There is only truth, but there are many different remedies between western doctor or easter doctors or scientists, thus to each its own.

Don't you want to know the 'actual' truth in the bible?
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Sorry if I wasn't clear - I was not saying that actual truth can never be found. I said that even if there are many people giving different interpretations, that does not in any way mean that the truth can never be found. But it looks like you agree on this as well.
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post May 20 2011, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(timetravelller @ May 20 2011, 03:43 PM)
if gambling without addicted, good or bad? gambling consider fool? if yes then bible did talk about foolish..
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Well, then that depends. A lot of things are foolish, not just gambling. But of course, if someone was good at poker and he earns a lot of money from it, then is it still wrong? Erm, I dunno. People make a lot of money from Starcraft and Counterstrike as well. smile.gif

But yeah, those who waste their money at slots are stupid people and I don't think you'd need the Bible to know that. tongue.gif
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post May 20 2011, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(timetravelller @ May 20 2011, 04:20 PM)
what abt buying lottery? what are the difference of buying lottery and participant contest to win big prize at the same time u pay a lot whenever u sms a entry, like RM1 per sms?

i just wanna know how bible interpret that only.
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No mention of lottery in the Bible either (I don't think 4D existed 2000 years ago!). The Bible speaks of casting lots, but in a different context.

You make a good point - is there are any difference in buying lottery or participating in SMS lotteries? One thing is for sure, the Bible tells us to be wise.

Personally, spending on lottery tickets which you have a tiny, tiny chance of winning is unwise. biggrin.gif
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post May 20 2011, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(mekboyz @ May 20 2011, 07:18 PM)
the bible was written by man hence it is full of contradictions
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Care to share some of them with us? smile.gif
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post May 21 2011, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(mekboyz @ May 21 2011, 12:40 AM)
like the existence of a god for a start  smile.gif
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How is that a contradiction?

QUOTE(beederbest @ May 21 2011, 12:45 AM)
go google.  laugh.gif
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Er okay. Maybe you go google how the Bible is, in fact, quite reliable. smile.gif


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post May 21 2011, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(mekboyz @ May 21 2011, 09:49 AM)
1. because if you think about it rationally and without prejudice, its quite obvious that there is no such thing as a "god"

2. you really dont know how to use google. the bible was basically the tabloid of its day.
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1. I have thought about it rationally and without prejudice, and I have come to conclude the opposite.

2. Argument by Google is one of the worst arguments to make. Should I just say God exists and ask you to use google if you ask me to prove it?
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post May 21 2011, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(LovesReborn @ May 21 2011, 05:02 PM)
i wonder the host is from which church. hmm.gif
oh, and the bible that he uses too hmm.gif
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That guys knows as much about the Bible as this guy knows about the Qu'ran:
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post May 21 2011, 05:35 PM

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Keep posting in all the threads you can find Kal-el, you seem quite free. biggrin.gif

I usually don't bother replying to image macros, but whoever made it doesn't understand the differentiation between Biblical genre.
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post May 21 2011, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(Kal-el @ May 21 2011, 05:38 PM)
dey thambi, you sure you know whats image macro?
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You sure you know what Biblical genre is? biggrin.gif
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post May 22 2011, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(shmiad @ May 22 2011, 08:32 AM)
waiting.....
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Responding to some points in the video. The caller recycles the standard Muslim objections:

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post Jun 20 2011, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Jun 19 2011, 07:23 PM)
The Jesus story is tooooo fake!!! I read the first part of the bible story if fit into todays context, you will realize its the same as a conman story. Just that the people illustrated in the bible seems gullible or maybe uneducated.


But it doesn't fit into today's context. Jesus' narratives were written nearly 2000 years ago and it would be foolish to bring modern (21st century) presuppositions about how a story should look like into a 1st century narrative.

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If Jesus exists in todays era, do you honestly think u guys will be his disciple and shit like that?


Yes.

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doh.gif  This story is soooo Disney channel fairytale. Someone just ask u follow him then u will immediately follow him?


1. You are bringing modern presuppositions and bias into the text. "Disney channel fairytale" is both an unfortunate and revealing comment. You are bringing modern conceptions about fairytales and whenever you find something that looks like a fairytale you will immediately say, "Hah! Looks like a fairytale that I saw in Disney, therefore it's a fairytale!". This is not a very good way to read history.

2. The way people wrote stories back then is very different than today. Whereas today it is proper to explain in detail the motivations of characters, it was acceptable practice then to shorten and redact narratives to illustrate the main point.

3. The point here is that the disciples chose to accept Jesus' calling without hesitating.

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I try to convince my self that Jesus is the saviour but the more i read the more skeptic i became thats why i stop reading the bible to at least save my doubt towards the bible storyline


It's good that you are reading the Bible and unfortunate that you have decided to stop. I would recommend that you take the time to read this article, which will shed some light about Jesus claims and ministry: http://www.scribd.com/doc/54680172/Self-Re...n-Human-History
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post Jul 18 2011, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(mekboyz @ Jul 18 2011, 05:38 PM)
isnt the real goal of life  basically to live your life to the fullest way possible.
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Says who? biggrin.gif
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post Aug 4 2011, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Aug 4 2011, 09:54 AM)
Each time a GE is around the corner these big time evangelist will be permitted to come into the country in a big way.
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Really? Can you provide other examples? I'm curious.
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post Aug 4 2011, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Aug 4 2011, 10:12 AM)
The last one I remembered was called "The Festival of Praise" held in Stadium Merdeka. It features miraculous healing.
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I see. It's a stretch though to link this with the "GE". I also remember a big name evangelist (Reinhard Bonke) coming in to Malaysia and it was not in any way linked to the upcoming election.

BTW, with Najib's popularity at a low after Bersih I don't think GE will be anytime soon.
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QUOTE(mysa_strato @ Jan 14 2012, 12:31 PM)
Dear Christians, i wanna ask you guys some questions. if Jesus was God why he had to pray? why was he crucified? he been tortured by his own people?

Christ=Messiah

Messiah=Messenger

IMO he is one the messengers that had been killed there are many before him too, and Jesus real name wasn't Jesus. peace
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Jesus was God, but he prayed to the Father. This was why the concept of Trinity was developed to explain Jesus, Father and the Holy Spirit as one.

Jesus was crucified as a sacrifice for our sins - much like how someone is fined but his friend pays for it instead. This payment was in blood.

The Messiah means the Anointed One of God, and it was believed that the Messiah would bring justice to the Jews. The Messiah was expected to be a Warrior King - someone who hold conquer the world and bring justice and peace to it.

However, Jesus totally defied these categories by being humiliatingly crucified. This should disqualify him as a Messiah, for a Messiah cannot die.

But Jesus rose again, according to eyewitnesses. And with that they believed not only was he Messiah, but he was God in human flesh. (See John 1)

Jesus real name, in Hebrew, was Yeshua or Joshua. It means "God saves".

QUOTE(thivanathan @ Jan 14 2012, 06:16 PM)
tmrw sunday again. But I dun look forward going to church lately. dunno why.
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Then don't go to Church. smile.gif
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post Feb 27 2012, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Feb 27 2012, 04:01 PM)
I doubt such cruel God will be of any good to you. If you must pray, just pray to the "God" that is the universal laws that govern the whole galaxy. The principle underlying creation.
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Perhaps copying and pasting from a source that is slightly more informed than the Skeptics Annotated Bible will lend your assertions some greater weight.
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