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 Official Windows Phone 7 Discussion Thread!, WP7 market share from 2% to 10% now !!

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post Mar 22 2011, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(marauderz @ Mar 21 2011, 07:54 PM)
Hmmmm... People should be linked to the mail accounts, so it should be ok if everything is manual
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but my people link with facebook account...facebook account not have the setting... hmm.gif

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post Mar 22 2011, 02:14 AM

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Hmm.. You are right.. Ok... Unlink Facebook n use only the app to access I guess.
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post Mar 23 2011, 03:48 PM

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7 Mozart Owner here~
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hey, guys, i heard that the HTC 7 mozart have a new update that make it able to copy and paste, is it true?
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Guys, has anyone got NoDo yet?

NoDo now available?
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QUOTE(horray @ Mar 23 2011, 07:36 PM)
Guys, has anyone got NoDo yet?

NoDo now available?
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So Far, not yet~~
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post Mar 23 2011, 11:32 PM

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update to NoDo this morning on hd7..received notification around 3am.
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post Mar 24 2011, 10:25 AM

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sis malaysia version of hd7?
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Ok.. before anyone asks "Dude, where's my update?"
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-u...dule-world.aspx


Added on March 24, 2011, 10:58 amOh, AFAIK the phones in Malaysia falls under "Open Market Phones".

You can find your carrier by checking Setting -> Systems -> About.

If you're carrier tagged you'll see a "Carrier : XXXXX" listed. or it might say "Carrier : OPEN" if it's an open market phone.

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post Mar 24 2011, 11:23 AM

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Personally I cannot understand why the update has to be rolled out in stages. the fruit company sends out update simultaneously worldwide without a glitch AFAIK. So why does Microsoft have a "queuing" system to roll out it's update. Do they have a much larger base than the robot or the fruit company?

Truly disappointing coming from the largest software company in the world! Sigh! sad.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(horray @ Mar 24 2011, 11:23 AM)
Personally I cannot understand why the update has to be rolled out in stages. the fruit company sends out update simultaneously worldwide without a glitch AFAIK. So why does Microsoft have a "queuing" system to roll out it's update. Do they have a much larger base than the robot or the fruit company?

Truly disappointing coming from the largest software company in the world! Sigh!  sad.gif  doh.gif
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About the only hardware Microsoft can update simultaneously at one go, is the Xbox 360. Do you know why?

Like apple, the control everything, from the specs of the hardware to the Xbox Live servers. Little chance of there being a foul up. Apple knows that they only need to push update to at most 3 devices at one time, devices that are all the same spec and build.

Compare that to Wp7, which now has Dell, HTC, LG and Samsung putting out phone. One manufacturer decides to be funny (yes, I'm talking about Samsung), and bad press all around. So better to release in staggered fashion, at least if something goes boom, it is easier to rectify. Heck, if 4 months to wait for an update is too long, then go buy robot ler.

Oh wait. Some haven't got their frozen yogurt yet. whistling.gif



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hi, i own sis version of mozart. still waiting for nodo update.... c'mon ms...
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QUOTE(oszie @ Mar 23 2011, 11:32 PM)
update to NoDo this morning on hd7..received notification around 3am.
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Do tell us of your experince with WP7 after the NODO update. smile.gif

Will wait for it come to Optimus7 with patient... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Mar 24 2011, 11:48 AM)
About the only hardware Microsoft can update simultaneously at one go, is the Xbox 360. Do you know why?

Like apple, the control everything, from the specs of the hardware to the Xbox Live servers. Little chance of there being a foul up. Apple knows that they only need to push update to at most 3 devices at one time, devices that are all the same spec and build.

Compare that to Wp7, which now has Dell, HTC, LG and Samsung putting out phone. One manufacturer decides to be funny (yes, I'm talking about Samsung), and bad press all around. So better to release in staggered fashion, at least if something goes boom, it is easier to rectify. Heck, if 4 months to wait for an update is too long, then go buy robot ler.

Oh wait. Some haven't got their frozen yogurt yet. whistling.gif
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finally someone who actually has a clue how things work. and someone who actually knows how to compare apples to apples biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Mar 24 2011, 11:48 AM)
About the only hardware Microsoft can update simultaneously at one go, is the Xbox 360. Do you know why?
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Actually the 360's are not all upgraded at the same time, It is still staggered, but over the span of a few hours.
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Likewise I believe that Apple does the same thing. The point is if you have a bone to pick with wp7, make sure it is the right bone to pick. The worse offender regarding updates are android phones. At least with wp7, you have microsoft comitted to give you updates.

Android manufactures can just blow you off without google batting an eyelid.


Added on March 24, 2011, 4:58 pmOkay, milestone reach.

Pro Evolution Soccer is for sale at the marketplace.

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Hey Guys! I'm welcoming myself to the wp7 family! Mozart and loving every inch of it, well almost, the touch sensitive home button still annoys me ><"
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post Mar 24 2011, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Mar 24 2011, 11:48 AM)
About the only hardware Microsoft can update simultaneously at one go, is the Xbox 360. Do you know why?
Compare that to Wp7, which now has Dell, HTC, LG and Samsung putting out phone. One manufacturer decides to be funny (yes, I'm talking about Samsung), and bad press all around. So better to release in staggered fashion, at least if something goes boom, it is easier to rectify. Heck, if 4 months to wait for an update is too long, then go buy robot ler.
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Why doesn't the desktop version of Microsoft Windows have this problem with Windows Update? There are even more manufacturers of PCs and laptops, but when Microsoft issues a security update, everybody gets it almost together. No such thing as staggered updates based on manufacturer.



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QUOTE(Andrew Lim @ Mar 24 2011, 06:54 PM)
Why doesn't the desktop version of Microsoft Windows have this problem with Windows Update? There are even more manufacturers of PCs and laptops, but when Microsoft issues a security update, everybody gets it almost together. No such thing as staggered updates based on manufacturer.
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Dude, seriously? You still can't figure it out?

Let's take your Iphone for example. Have you ever asked why nobody have hacked the phone to install android yet? I mean, it uses an ARM chip, so it should be kacang putih to port android, since android works on ARM chips, right? Or why can't you port iOS 4.3 to work on the HTC incredible then? Why is it possible to install Android on a HD2? If it is so easy, as you seem to indicate it is, then everyone on the android ecosystem would be running at least Froyo now.

But they aren't. See, reality is, smartphones are not built like computers. See, ten different manufacturers may make hundreds of computer configurations, but when the OS is booted, they all speak the same language with the OS regardless whether they came from Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Malaysia or the US.

Ten different manufacturers making ten different phones? Yes, they all may speak the same language, but they all use different dialects. So you have the Terengganu dialect phone speaking to an OS that only understand the official dialect. So what do you do? Of course, you teach the OS to understand the Terengganu dialect. That takes a lot of time, dude. So that is why, a firmware that has been customize to speak Kelantan Malay, you install on phone that only understand Johor dialect, you get a brick.

Kapish?
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QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Mar 24 2011, 09:59 PM)
Dude, seriously? You still can't figure it out?

How condescending. shakehead.gif Let me try to reply to your post in parts.

QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Mar 24 2011, 09:59 PM)
Let's take your Iphone for example. Have you ever asked why nobody have hacked the phone to install android yet? I mean, it uses an ARM chip, so it should be kacang putih to port android, since android works on ARM chips, right? Or why can't you port iOS 4.3 to work on the HTC incredible then? Why is it possible to install Android on a HD2? If it is so easy, as you seem to indicate it is, then everyone on the android ecosystem would be running at least Froyo now.

You can't use the iPhone as an example. The iPhone's internals are a closed system. The hardware was designed for iOS specifically. Android manufacturers are like PC manufacturers, they are designed to cater to an open operating system. The iPhone is more akin to the Mac (pre-Intel era), where it's difficult to install other operating systems. And Android has been ported to iPhones before. Although takes reverse-engineering. Regardless, the iPhone eco-system is nothing like Windows Phone 7's, which is more akin to the PC's.

QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Mar 24 2011, 09:59 PM)
Ten different manufacturers making ten different phones? Yes, they all may speak the same language, but they all use different dialects. So you have the Terengganu dialect phone speaking to an OS that only understand the official dialect. So what do you do? Of course, you teach the OS to understand the Terengganu dialect. That takes a lot of time, dude. So that is why, a firmware that has been customize to speak Kelantan Malay, you install on phone that only understand Johor dialect, you get a brick.

Different PC manufacturers also use different BIOS (AMI, Insyde Software, Phoenix Technologies ) and chipsets (AMD, Intel) to boot up Windows. Some customized with different localities in mind. Yet they can all boot up Windows 7 and the desktop version updates with no problems. Not to mention that Windows 7 also manage to overcome the internationalization problems with little trouble.

QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Mar 24 2011, 09:59 PM)
But they aren't. See, reality is, smartphones are not built like computers. See, ten different manufacturers may make hundreds of computer configurations, but when the OS is booted, they all speak the same language with the OS regardless whether they came from Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Malaysia or the US.

Smartphones are still computers (any machine that performs calculations), although they are not desktop PCs. The analogy of "language" you use to point out international complications fails to convince me. Windows 7 is used all around the world and OEMs are still able to customize it for different languages and localities.

QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Mar 24 2011, 09:59 PM)
Kapish?
Nope. Still don't get it. The smartphone manufacturers and Microsoft are in total control of the eco-system. Probably even more than their PC counterparts. Since these phones were supposedly designed for Windows Phone 7 in mind, there is little excuse that they can't give timely updates.

I just suspect the entire eco-system was not designed completely well.

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