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 Official Windows Phone 7 Discussion Thread!, WP7 market share from 2% to 10% now !!

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marauderz
post Mar 25 2011, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Andrew Lim @ Mar 24 2011, 06:54 PM)
Why doesn't the desktop version of Microsoft Windows have this problem with Windows Update? There are even more manufacturers of PCs and laptops, but when Microsoft issues a security update, everybody gets it almost together. No such thing as staggered updates based on manufacturer.
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Please don't compare a platform with virtually limitless resources (PC) to a platform with constrained resources (Phone)

Architecturally they are designed differently, with full Windows they can abstract the interfaces to the hardware because they have the resources to do so.

On the phone they have to weigh how to do such abstraction because every additional instruction is extra battery power consumed, so less abstraction means more specific code to be written for each hardware platform.

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Nope. Still don't get it. The smartphone manufacturers and Microsoft are in total control of the eco-system. Probably even more than their PC counterparts. Since these phones were supposedly designed for Windows Phone 7 in mind, there is little excuse that they can't give timely updates.


Unfortunately that is how we think over here on this side of the ocean. You see, over here we buy the phone raw. Our phones aren't telco branded, locked, etc. etc. That's why we are used to buying expensive phones and changing them whenever we want.

The US model is different, the phone companies dont sell the phones directly to the user. The companies sell the phone to the telco, the telco decides what to put on the phone (apps, images) what features that gets taken in or removed (ie. remove any built in VOIP features, disable features when not on WiFi) this is Telco customization.

Whenever an update is delivered for the OS, the OEM will first test it to make sure it works on their hardware then the telcos have to test and ensure that it can work with all it's apps, and they need to disable all the features, bla bla bla. And that whatever new features introduced by the OS doesn't screw with their network.

The more customization a telco does to the phone the more time and $$$ it takes for the telco to get a new version out, hence the issue with the Android phones.

Apple doesn't allow much telco customization on the iphones therefore not much difference between telco updates.

Windows Phone 7 is a half half deal, the telcos can still customize certain parts of the OS but it's usually non essential (hence some phone's where the search button goes to Yahoo) But telcos would still want to go through the motions to ensure their network and phones dont get screwed when an update comes around.

MS on their part has released the table of telco's update schedule.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-u...dule-world.aspx
And users have already started screaming at Aussie telco Telstra since they havent even delivered first update.

The summary of this is that, the Telco holds quite a lot of power in the US to determine what phones get sold over there (look what happened to Nokia when they don't want to concede to the US telcos demands), and MS is actually trying to play nice with them by allowing some customization ala Android, but still dictate that updates need to be delivered in a given time frame ala Apple.

So they're stuck in an interesting position. My advice would be that if you want to get your WP7 updates as soon as possible, get an open carrier phone. Which is surprisingly easy in our country, technically our open carrier phones is worth alot to enthusiast since they will be first in line to get the updates the moment the hardware manufacturer finishes testing.

But my phone is Singtel branded cry.gif doh.gif
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post Mar 25 2011, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(marauderz @ Mar 25 2011, 11:32 AM)
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Thanks marauderz for your explanation. smile.gif

So the main problem it seems would be telcos having too much power. I think Microsoft should try to make their software updates skip telco approval after the user purchases the phone. Perhaps the software stack in WP7 is not so flexible right now, but I'm hope Microsoft may be able to segregate Telco-specific modifications and OS-specific enhancements/upadtes.

There's one thing I have to disagree with you though: phones having not enough power. The computing power in basic smartphones is comparable to Windows PCs from 10 years ago. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Andrew Lim @ Mar 25 2011, 12:05 PM)
Thanks marauderz for your explanation. smile.gif

So the main problem it seems would be telcos having too much power. I think Microsoft should try to make their software updates skip telco approval after the user purchases the phone. Perhaps the software stack in WP7 is not so flexible right now, but I'm hope Microsoft may be able to segregate Telco-specific modifications and OS-specific enhancements/upadtes.

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Actually its already quite seperated already, but telcos can't just take it on their word that the updates won't affect their networks, so they'll always want to test to be sure.


QUOTE(Andrew Lim @ Mar 25 2011, 12:05 PM)
There's one thing I have to disagree with you though: phones having not enough power. The computing power in basic smartphones is comparable to Windows PCs from 10 years ago. tongue.gif
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While its true that our phone's CPU has more computing power than a Windows PC 10 years again, on the phone every single ounce of that computing power you use goes into draining the batery. That's why when designing a portable system its not about how much computing power you can stuff into it, its how to balance power consumptopn vs available computing power.
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post Mar 25 2011, 07:46 PM

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I think my phone can't open a 2GB Photoshop file while my Pentium II managed to do so just fine... smile.gif
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QUOTE(bigbear @ Mar 25 2011, 07:46 PM)
I think my phone can't open a 2GB Photoshop file while my Pentium II managed to do so just fine... smile.gif
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You can open psd file with wp7? With what apps?
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post Mar 25 2011, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(bigbear @ Mar 25 2011, 07:46 PM)
I think my phone can't open a 2GB Photoshop file while my Pentium II managed to do so just fine... smile.gif
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That's because desktop Windows has something called memory mapped files. This is a technique where you don't actually read the file into RAM, but pretend the the data on disk is the memory.

I don't think WP7 has this technology yet.
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post Mar 26 2011, 01:27 AM

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is it possible to tether line with mozart?
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post Mar 26 2011, 11:38 AM

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anyone has updated theirs to NoDo update, can you pls test whether you can add non-US based credit card to your SG Zune/Xbox LIVE/Windows LIVE account? cheers!

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QUOTE(falconhour @ Mar 26 2011, 11:38 AM)
anyone has updated theirs to NoDo update, can you pls test whether you can add non-US based credit card to your SG Zune/Xbox LIVE/Windows LIVE account? cheers!
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AGREED!
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post Mar 26 2011, 01:20 PM

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eh, that has nothing to do with the update!
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post Mar 26 2011, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(marauderz @ Mar 26 2011, 01:20 PM)
eh, that has nothing to do with the update!
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It is something,
cause according to changelog, MS stated that March update can link the credit card from non-support country in zune marketplace~
Which means we might now can buy apps through marketplace by linking our Credit Card.
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post Mar 27 2011, 01:51 AM

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Hmm... interesting.
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post Mar 27 2011, 09:15 AM

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Can any one help me out here ?

I just bought a HTC 7 Mozart yesterday and i use it all smooth and i was happy till i want to change the ringtone i notice that at settings they cant change to music ringtone.

May i know how to change the ringtone to my music i hate all the win mo 7 ringtone all are suck not nice at all.

I prefer back my mandarin song any way to change it ?

Use the win mo 7 ringtone make me miss call alot edi so sad yesterday kena scold by my mother because dint listen to phone.
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post Mar 27 2011, 09:23 AM

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Sorry, you can't change the ringtone to your own songs yet.
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post Mar 27 2011, 09:42 AM

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except you unlock your phone first...
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post Mar 27 2011, 10:29 AM

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How to unlock the phone and after unlock how to change the ringtone ?
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post Mar 27 2011, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(marauderz @ Mar 27 2011, 01:51 AM)
Hmm... interesting.
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It stated here bro --> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-u...te-history.aspx

Other Marketplace improvements. We've improved the stability of Marketplace while you download apps. We've also improved the experience of downloading apps larger than 20 megabytes, upgrading from trial apps to paid apps, using a credit card with an address outside the United States, sharing links to apps via email, sorting Xbox LIVE games by release date, and creating an Xbox LIVE account from within the Games Hub.

true or not, it yet to be tested and shared among the communities.. from some forums, i can see it's mixed results.

Also, anyone who have updated theirs to 7390, can you pls share your MMS functionality whether it's working? cheers!

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post Mar 27 2011, 12:50 PM

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I think the mms problem was more related to the Telco settings than the system, cause it was celcom that wasn't working

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QUOTE(falconhour @ Mar 27 2011, 12:34 PM)
Also, anyone who have updated theirs to 7390, can you pls share your MMS functionality whether it's working? cheers!
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MMS works good even with factory 7004 or 7008 build. Using DiGi, so I think it might be Celcom's problems.

Another question, any1 with WP7 success access MIME code?
For me, DiGi, *128#, not really working, keep getting failed or super duper slow respond with no option to select the number to continue.
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post Mar 27 2011, 01:53 PM

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with digi also cant send mms le on lg optimus 7

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