x10 does support app2sd

im a user of the white n black x10
bt not sure if it will rust or not
both phones not yet 1 year
n i always put the phones in a pouch

iphone4 has a good user experience?

for ur info
im an owner of a iphone4 n 2 x10

smooth
iphone4 is more smooth than my x10

phone freeze
iphone4 freezes more than my x10

works beautiful
iphone4 only wins in the colour display
other than tat iphone4 doesnt even come much closer

user experience for me is
somethin tat is good to look at
somethin tat is nice to hold at
somethin which is customizable for me

lookin at the above 3 user experiences for me
iphone4 can only do 2 things
while the x10 can do all 3

appstore havin lots of apps than android market
tat is true
bt i dun think u will even download all of the apps tat is in there
u only download some apps
not all

so wat is the use of havin lots of apps
when all of the functions r almost the same

to even say tat iphone4 user experience is btr than x10
tat is an understatement

i knows nothing about x10. but people said that x10 have a lagg and non-smooth interface. is it that bad?

u must try for yourself. the timescape and mediascape apps on X10 is superb. i like it very much. IMO, it is smooth, and no lag at all when i test it.

emm.. didn't eclair already gave X10 support for apps2sd? heard b4, the 1.6 donut limitations make that didn't work

if its bad
i wont b havin 2 x10 now would i

someone mention tat in x10 loses to iphone4 due to limited space for installin apps
bt i hav meet someone who would install tat huge amount of apps
tat would b insane

actually app2sd is only for froyo
bt some ppl hav made it work for eclair
so now eclair already can support app2sd

ic.. so, since apps2sd available d, it is worth wat

This is small, I seen people with much more apps than mine. All used daily to keeping track of my expenses, tuning guitar, decipher codes etc.

yours is countin songs n such
if u noticed
the person i was quotin was sayin installed apps
he is sayin
cant move installed apps to memory card
hence i said
i hav meet someone who would install tat insane amount of apps
if countin songs n such it would not just b installed apps

First of all, I'm sorry FallenOut, but your post was too long for me to quote in its entirety. I need to edit it, but I'm leaving your main points untouched.

Indeed it has.

User experience trancends things like how smooth the animations look or what the quality of the screen is. If that is the case, my Samsung Wave running on Bada can realistically stake a claim as one of the phones with one of the top user experience as well. But no.

User experience includes things like how intuitive the layout of the UI is. There is a reason why you can see people from various ages ranging from primary school kids to retired grandmas all enjoying their IP4. The IP4, by and large, is a phone that does what you would expect it to do. Things just work.

Of course, the x10 is a very nice phone with certain advantages over the IP4, as I've mentioned. Like the 8MP camera for example. And I'm sure you can name more.

But when it comes to giving its user an overall positive experience, I would rate even my old HTC Hero over the x10, for the simple reason that HTC Sense is more of a joy to use than whatever it is that SE calls their flavour of Android. One thing that you have to understand, good specs does not necessarily = good user experience. The SGS is a prime example of this, and to a lesser extent, so is the x10, in my opinion.


Go reread my post, the part about the appstore, because I think you are missing my point.

You are right, in the sense that how many apps do we really need? I'd say realistically, there are probably only a dozen or two apps that we actually use on a regular basis, and the others are really just there for the novelty factor at best. At worst, they are just taking up space.

However, more choice > no choice. This is a fact.

For example, appstore has Plants vs Zombies. Android market does not (for now at least). This is a fact.

We don't need to argue about the virtues of this game, whether it is a good game or not or whether there are other games similar to it or not. The point is, as an IP4 user my gf has the option to check this game out if she wants to. As an Andriod user, I don't. If I want to, I have to borrow her IP4 to play this game.

So give the IP4 its due when its due. The appstore, as things are currently, is one of the advantages that the iOS has.

More apps mean more variety, most of the time when I need to perform soemthing, i will just search in the appstore and download it.

If I wan a guitar tuner on the spot, I just download it.
If I wan to a thesaurus, i just download it.

I get to do what I want on the spot, which is not available on other platform.

FYI, I owned both IOS and Android devices. I can say Android market is full of craps, without proper control, not to mention not all apps are suitable for each android devices(Google framentation on Android platform - imagine having diff Android manufacturers, diff screen size, diff hardware, diff OS, you cant expect the developer to cater for all the androids phone.). Some of the apps even have spyware inside, or does not perform what it claims.

IOS is diff, you will get a surprise everyday. within last few months, there's something known as Tango - Free video calls over internet/3g, then last month got Viber - Free VOIP call. I can see from my contact list more and more people using IPhone, as those software will be able to detect who is using those apps, then ios user can call/video/msg them directly - FOR FREE ! Browsing the AppStore has become a habit, checking for the Top Free apps, of coz one can always browse the Top Gross - mostly some nice games such as Street Fighter, Hot Pursuit 2010, Mortal Kombat and such...These are the apps wont be available on Android(Maybe later, by that time IOS already has 2nd or third version), take Angry bird for example.

I am not an Apple Fan boy, i've been using PDA since Windows CE, then Android, then IOS, i used to hate Apple as their hardware is always inferior compare to others(HTC, Samsung), however, after getting my hands on Apple, I realised that a GREAT hardware without good apps is like a magazine with a good Cover but no contents.

err, Android has this game way before now.

Android market is full of craps? I can say the same for Appstore.
Spyware? Yes there are, mostly wallpapers,
but the fact is, being an Android user myself, I have never encountered any spyware before.
You're responsible for what you're installing,
if you're simply installing lots of things and not even paying attention to what they have access to, then its your own fault.
reason why Appstore has more quality apps, simply because it is more mature compared to Android market,
it came out earlier, so of course it gets more apps.
if you compare apps available for Android to WP7, can you say that WP7 gives crappy user experience?
just because they have way less apps?

which Android device do you own btw?
different Android phone determines different user experience.
its not fair to compare a mid range Android phone to iPhone, because their price is already not a fair comparison.
try to compare it to Nexus S, the latest phone with the Google brand.
pure Android OS without any crappy tweaks from Samsung.
get some hands on experience on Nexus S, then compare it to iPhone 4.

what kind of surprise is that? Free video calls? you can already do that on Android, or even Symbian, through Nimbuzz.
even phones without front camera can do video calls.
Yes, its undeniable that Appstore has more quality apps,
but as I already said in above, Appstore is more mature, also,
iOS only need to develop for one device, while Android has many different hardware to be supported,
hence why Android always get them slower.

Not saying Android is better or anything, but its not inferior either, you have to realize that both Android and iOS is different.
for instance, widgets and unlimited customizations, is something iOS will never have.

intuitive
the longer u get the phone
the laggier it became now
at first my iphone4 was so smooth
bt now
its laggin
n i just hav 3 pages only
compared that to the old iphone2 which i got around 7 to 8 pages

u r missin the point over at school kids to grandma
they dunno anythin much bout the iphone4
they get it cuz everyone is gettin it
its the new 'in' trend now
honestly
dun tell me they know how to operate the iphone4
the school kids will know
bt i doubt the grandmas will know

things just work
remember a few months back when i stood by iphone4
cuz tat time i didnt do much drastic mods to my x10
it was smooth n i was standin by it
fast forward to the present day
its more laggy than my x10

bout htc n galaxy s
i hav no comments as i dun own those phones
my frens own those
n witout much playin around wit those
i would not b givin my comments

yea
more choices do pwn no choices
i did agree wit tat part of urs
in ur previous post also
bt i get to the other point
not all of us will download watever apps tat is available there
certainly not all of it

sry but im not much of a gamer

more apps more variety
yup tat is so true

wit iphone4 i can download wat i wan on the spot
wit x10 i can download wat i wan on the spot

in ur reference
u pointed out to a guitar tuner
n a thesaurus
for the guitar im not sure since im not a guitar player
bt for the thesaurus part
android also got it

so wat exactly do u mean
when u say u can dl wat u wan on the iphone4 bt not on other platform

for now i dunno which market has more craps
since i dun hav the luxury of time to browse thru every single app to dl it n to test it out

so u r talkin bout how great iphone4 is
reality check

3g video calls were so last year
even a rm500+ phone can do 3g

I dun own both phone. for me, i will go for X10 instead of Iphone4. Iphone4 give me the impression is that this phone for gamers. and the reason ppl go for it, either coz of trend or maybe others. I vote for X10 becoz i wan a phone for my studies and also working area in future. IF I have enuff money, i may go for HTC Desire HD since the screen dam huge and everything better than X10.

Indeed, Iphone4 now is much better than SE X10 for most of the phone user. wat can i say is that i believe SE X10 will win iphone4 in future. besides, i heard my colleague said Iphone5 will be LAUNCH by next year February / March. I don't know whether it's true or not.

This post has been edited by alex890628: Dec 19 2010, 09:47 AM

most ppl get iphone because of Apps. after that only because of trend. u know, the cool factor when u said u got an iphone, compared to your friend who mention, he/she got a HTC desire (ppl will ask, what d hel is that?) my 2cent

You are buying now n you are not buying future. Future everything can happen n IPhone could just become better n better . So all comparison must be made current!

what i said is about current. that's y i vote for X10. actually it's depends on how u use, for me is studies and working, so i chose X10. For you guys are gamer, wan the apps & wan follow the trend then you go for iphone4. In my mind, X10 lose to iphone4 coz the screen is 65k Color (X10) and 16m (Iphone4) and X10 dun have multitouch. other than that, X10 rocks

you're even dumber to not even understand what the hell i was saying

yeah what i meant was iP users gets attention from people, an illusion of social status, sorry for not writing them in full, i assume everyone has at least IQ of 90

This post has been edited by Aurai: Dec 19 2010, 05:37 PM

FYI X10 will be getting multitouch soon with the next update

First of all, it's not my fault that you are semi-illiterate and cannot even express yourself properly with words.

Check your first post. You clearly said: "the extra rm600 you pay for iP4 based on specs is for the social status". No mention of "attention" or "illusion". Just "social status". Those are totally different things. So if you are the moron who cannot even write properly, don't go around trying to insult other people, yea?

Anyhow, let's give you the benefit of the doubt. Let's just assume that you simply didn't "write things in full". Let me try to fix your statement for you.

1. "the extra rm600 you pay for iP4 based on specs is for the [attention]"

This is still stupid. As someone mentioned, Iphones are so damn common nowadays and 9 out of 10 screens that are lit up in a cinema before a movie starts are Iphones. What's there to pay attention to if someone is holding phone that's so common? Either way, it's just a phone. So please clarify if you can. Otherwise, it's just a really stupid statement made by you. But perhaps you meant something else, like

2. "the extra rm600 you pay for iP4 based on specs is for the [illusion of social status]"

Again, this is stupid. Go run naked down Bukit Bintang area. I'm sure you'll get hell a lot of attention. Hundreds of people will be staring at you. You might even make it to the 7 o'clock news on TV. Does that somehow give you "an illusion of social status"? No, it just makes you look stupid.

Or let me give you another example. I went to a Boost juice kiosk yesterday, and saw one of the worker playing with her Iphone. Did I get the "illusion" that she has some kind of special "social status"? No. I doubt anyone will. Because she's just a kiosk worker earning less than MYR 2k a month. What illusion? What social status?


So you see, even giving you the benefit of the doubt, no matter how I try to fix your statement, you still come across sounding stupid. Just face it. You are either A. a moron who cannot write properly but want to blame others for it, or B. a sheep who somehow thought that IP4 = high class. Most probably both.

Do everyone here a favour and stop wasting everyone's bandwidth with more of your nonsense, yea?

According to this http://www.malaysianbroadband.info/nokia-r...g-mobile-phone/ not even half a person (0.4 to be exact) out of 10 people in a cinema uses an iPhone. You seem to resort to a lot of name-calling based on assumptions alone. Grow up.

I don't understand . If you're mentioning about app counts, it's there. Anyhow.. just drop this.

I'm using my 3gs for a year now. Lag, yes, it's obvious during spotlight search when you have loads of apps, songs, phone book, recipient, etc. Other than that, it works like fluid. I'm hitting the max 22 page. Still running smooth. What i suspect yours is due to massive load of apps on the background. Try checking though or re-setup your notifications. So far, I've yet heard users rant on slow experience. Well my parents whom have no sense of technology navigates well on iphone interface than on old nokia. I would say simplicity. While the old keypad types needs D pad navigation, new phones which rolls up icons with touch interface which are much easier to learn. On ratio, games released on iphones have better market than utilities or productivity apps. It's just ratio, which people still accounts. There's alot of games cause... the number of apps available is big? I myself isn't a gamer, most of the time, games are just there to kill some time off when I need to queue up or waiting for someone. What our fellow friend addresses apps which are not available on other platforms are like 'word lens' 'ARdefender' 'irig' and much more. MOST apps in the apps stores are available in android, But I wouldn't say all. Yes, for thesaurus portion, android do offer such apps, but what our fellow friend here highlights is the choices of named thesaurus to choose from. Iphone cannot do 3g video calls. They can only do face time, unless you install 3rd party apps. Lets ignore the 3g portion, cause when iphone didn't had video calls, people whack the phone as if it was a trash. When other phone manufacturers drop the 3g function, you don't see people making a fuss out of it.

reality check, Iphone is great? No, the app and the OS is. If they do not charge everything, it would be great. But somehow, every single app would cost a dime.


Well, it's up to individual perspective. I've seen people working with ipads, typing emails and letters on the spot during audit visits. It depends on how a person make use technology. You can give a pc to a kid, for good, he would learn and do research, if not, he would just play games with it.

Win or not you can always go to the search function and search keyword "Iphone Killer". Check and interpret the data. If you ask me, the phone that really does have the potential of knocking off iphone was Google's proprietary nexus one. Google has been maintaining the latest OS to work well on this phone, and not letting it become obsolete. As for other manufacturer's its always sell sell sell, if it needs update, just a couple of OS updates will do wonders in clearing off excess units off the stock/shelves.


Sorry, it's either a personal view or fanboy. High screen contrast does not show superiority. Take Samsung wave. It has the OMG%^&SUPER^*&AMOLED screen, but it's still a petit in the cellular industry as BADA's rate of growth is slow. Samsung Galaxy S on the other hand would be a better device, just need to live with the lack of flash for camera.

Nice statistic, Where's HTC? I'm sure Nokia, Samsung and LG has paid a big sum for publicity. Either way, the stats shows a clear indication. That the TOP 3 manufacturers need to roll out various new models each quarter to ensure a high quarterly revenue. Plus with the wide range of models, they've managed to capture all range of consumer, be it the budget ones, or the geeky. Two models vs an army models of phone, you be the judge. Even RIM has a impressive & realistic figures if you ask me.


Folks, It would be best to compare between users and manufacturers. If user wins, manufacturers will tailor make or release better updates to suit the consumers needs. If Manufacturers win, consumers will be tied to a endless loop on buying a newer phone. Don't get pin down to be their slave, be the king as you have the cash to make the decision. Once you've make your right choice, don't go defame others on picking other models. Instead, perform a constructive comparison, not picking on a fight. Just some word of advise as I see the debate is heating up.