hehhe... good debate.....this is how i see it...
since most of the reply are mostly based on hware spec etc.. i'll point out my view from a different angle...

Android Vs IO4 = Democracy Vs Control Freak

Google says = "Evryone can do wat ever u want with your phone...no limitation.. we'll provide u a platform so evryone can play with it...no strings attach"

Apple says = "everyone must follow what we say... what we sell to you is what u'll get..dont change anything...if we say IP4 is cool, u say its cool....btw, put the rubber bumper around the phone to improve signal, dont touch it by any means... otherwise, just put the phone on the table, and use speaker phone instead... dont say we didnt warn you"

then a potential IP buyer ask Apple >> does that mean I can only use Itunes to work with my music collections? how am i supposed to share data with others? I can at least use Bluetooth, rite ? No?? or at least give us removable memory card.. battery ?? my own mp3 ringtone?? ayoo.. why this cannot, that cannot?? Android can do all that ma.. why cant you??

then with a robotic voice, Apple users report back to HQ : ok master.. if u say i cannot customise my homescreens, thats ok.. cos ur my master... ur always right... i don't need to share files between phones, even between other IPs out there....and i will always use Itunes.. and i will pay for all the app from appstore... i dont need variety in my life..

I nearly bought an IP before a friend of mine using Nexus told me bout android... what a saviour.. i never looked back ... IOS is soooo yesterday..
In my case, i dont like being told what i can or cannot do.. thats why i go for Android....thats the real discussion should be... not hardware comparison...
and it happens to be X10 is sooooo sexy (cosmetic wise), i chose X10 for my first android... some limitation are mainly OS related, which will be rectified with OS updates.. it might be late, but its just the matter of time....

after i was fiddling around with my friend IP4 for the whole day, it drained his battery out.. i must say, Ip4 has an edge design with its front n back glass cover, nice display and smaller screen....but it is soo fragile.. one drop could mean rm800 down the drain to replace the crack glass cover....
and the rubber bumper ruins it all... not to mention the flat surface.. my palm so reluctant to agree that holding an ip4 is comfortable...

nonetheless, there are lots of people who would still support Apple despite all the flaws and limitation.. maybe Apple figured out a way to convince people subconciously...buy me.. buy me....ehhe... expensive phones means the best phone... (yeah right)....

This post has been edited by abundai: Dec 23 2010, 11:11 AM

Very nice comparison between Android and iOS, above. And it's true, Android > iOS.

But not everyone is into having to mod or customize their phones in order to enjoy it. Some people, a lot of people, want something that just works, right out of the box, with minimal fuss.

And so in that aspect IP4 > x10, I believe.

Now, if we're talking about some other Android phone, say HTC Desire, that would be a different story.

IPhone.. i also agree.. simple to use.. but that doesnt mean an Android is hard to use...

take for example, a normal user would need to make calls, sms, FB, twitt, IE browsing, youtube, google search and maps..
(wait, thats way too much for a basic usage)... which an android can also provide out of the box without any customisation... and still the price is reasonable low...

which still kept me thinking.. why la spend so much buying IPhone? why have to follow majority of people to turn left, when you can also turn right and reach the destination with less money spent?? in the end, u'll also end up making calls, receive sms, browse IE, Twittt, FB'ing, play games etc...

maybe it is social status... its like tellin people subconciously, I have a most expensive phone out there, how bout you?? or maybe not... a very subjective topic to be discussed...

+1

or just maybe IPhone was first in the market to provide an icon base interface (kudos to them for their invention), that until today, most of the people that owns an Iphone are used to its limitation ...

over time, Iphone users simply forgot all the other functionality such as bluetooth files transfer, mp3 files, extenal memory card that was taken away from them.. this basic features have been in the market way before Iphone came..

well, i guess its time to wake up boys... the grass is also green on the other side of the fence...they even have flowers too...

X10 doesn't have multitouch.

Now, if there is an Iphone user who:

1. Bought the Iphone outright with cash, no contract, no installments.
2. Did not jailbreak their phone, bought all the apps that they installed.
3. Bought the latest version of the Iphone when it first came out at full price without any special discounts.

Then yes, I can somewhat agree that his/her phone is an indication of this person's financial status.

But the reality is, for the majority of the Iphone owners out there, they are all on some kind of 12-month or 24-month contract signed with the telco. Or at the very least they paid with credit card and did a 12-month installment thing with their bank. Heck, maybe even both. So the truth is, they don't even own the phone the are holding. Their telco or/and their bank does.

So you see, the Iphone is actually a very affordable phone, as long as you don't mind being in debt. That is why even a Boost Juice kiosk worker can afford it.

And even for those Iphone users who fulfill the 3 criteria I listed above (yes, these people exist), it only cost them what, 3k? 4k tops with all the accessories and apps? Most salary earners can save this amount in a few months, if they really want to, so it's not like they are wearing a 20k Rolex or something.

If I am not right, and there are still some reasons why Iphone = social status, please show me. Yes, I'm looking at people like Aurai and FallenOut, who keeps claiming that Iphone = social status.

update for X10 in first quarter of 2011...just near the corner....
but if multitouch is a big concern and u need to get a phone before christmas, then other android phone are more than capable...try nexus or galaxy..

IMHO, like all other numerous limitations that an Iphone have (as i have stated earlier), i can leave without multitouch on my X10 (for the moment..)
and even if its available after the OS update, i can only see myself using multitouch to zoom in and out of a webpage and and pic...
by that time, i can tell my frens > look guys... i can zoom in and out .... walaweyyy... so advance... i can do this all day.. in out in out...heheh... is it really that important to have multitouch??

for gaming pusposes... wait till the Xperia Game phone comes out.. a mix between PSP and Xperia.. haha.. now thats what i call a phone well design for gaming... who needs multitouch when u have a slideout joypad??

+1 on this. iphone 3gs curve back is better

need to correct u. bear in mind, not only iphone is only phone u can buy with contract. this is not a good point to counter these guys. u can check other phone which got the package, compare with iphone. which is more affordable? tq

some might think its social status related.. but i see it as a good head start by apple in the smartphone race... they were there first.. and got hold of the market... thats when the trend started.. and other phone maker were struggling to keep up with symbian and all...
and IPhone ads was pretty cool too...all screen, no key pad, slide gesture, ipod, huge appstore.. very canggih one...who wouldnt want to buy it??
even a makcik pantry in my office knows bout iphone and how good the phone is.. but when i mentioned Android.. she say "HUH?? apa tuh?!?!"

to those who doesn't really keep up with technology updates, would still think an Iphone is the best, cos they see a lot of their friend out there using it..so it should be the best phone... its like monkey see, monkey do kinda thing.. not evryone out there have access to this info like we do..
i was one of the monkey , until my friend introduced me with Android.. and it really opened up my eyes...and my judgement to go Android was unbiased.. i never own an Iphone, so we can put aside the "brand loyal" factor ... my mind was fresh to choose either one...

Iphone maybe a great phone, but it is surely not the best option for me..
but if the price is right (i like paying cash), maybe or just maybe i'd get an IPhone.. but still, after been playing around with both Android and IOS4, i'd still choose Android..

What is there to correct?

Even if other phones are also available on contracts, cheaper contracts even, it still does not change the fact that by signing a contract and/or going for installment payments with the credit cards, even a salary earner like that Boost Juice worker can afford the Iphone.

And if even a Boost Juice worker who probably earns less than 2k a month can also afford the Iphone, I fail to see how people can get the idea that Iphone = expensive = social status, unless you are a Bangladeshi construction site worker or something who probably feels that 2k a month is high income and working at a Boost Juice kiosk is a high-class job.

If there are any Bangladeshi worker reading this thread, I'm sorry, I mean you no harm.

i mean about the contract thingy. u said up there, like only iphone can be buy with installment.

anyway, one good reason why i like Android cos it can do this...

screen preview, and jump to whatever homescreen I want.



then my default homescreen can be customised to how i feel is right...i can have them full of widget today, and empty the next day...
brightness adjustment, wifi toggle, bluetooth toggle etc at the frontpage for fast switching..



and have a ready widget to show FB status, twitter and etc, all in one place...



and place my favorit contact in such a way....



This post has been edited by abundai: Dec 23 2010, 03:16 PM

Marinie looks hot. Does she want to be my friend?

haha.. she's married and recently delivered her first child...
out of reach.. a friend maybe can la...

LOL.off topic already.hehe. anyway TS get better get android la.seriously

at some point, android and iOS may fight, but both still have interest in women peaceful again

correct... hehe... even i an chose to go the Android way, i still salute Apple for giving us the iOS in the first place...

anyway, hav u guys ever tought if all things are the other way around? Android came out first, and iOS came out just recently.. i wonder if people would hate Apple cos giving so much limitation... its all bout setting the mindset of the consumer i think..

old saying, 'melentur buluh, biarlah dr rebung nya".....and Apple did just right by steppin in early...

This post has been edited by abundai: Dec 24 2010, 08:04 AM

Let us just face the naked TRUTH, IPhone is the trend setter for what you have today be it Android, sounds more like a robot and windows mobile 7. The GENERAL feeling is that for layman on the street when he sees an android phone be it Samsung, Htc etc he will says " Wow cool looks like IPhone ya . Imitation ka ? "

That shall sums up the difference between iPhone n android phone in term of perceived social status and phone pride!

iphone 4 so fragile if drop wat happen pecah tak??