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FallenOut
post Dec 17 2010, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(wuwah @ Dec 17 2010, 02:51 PM)
he's talking about the phone price without any contract whatsoever.

i'll vote for X10 for the 4" screen (and lower price, n for me, more reasonable to spend on). iphone4 retina display makes picture sharper, but i am comfortable viewing picture/movies on X10. 1 more, since X10 already got their android 2.1 eclair updates recently, its resolution have up to 16m colours, not 65k as android 1.6 donut limited the colour just only up to 65k.

camera wise, i like X10 picture more than iphone. it is more natural. iphone4's camera also nice, but a bit oversaturated to me. the colour appears a bit broghter from what the natural is.
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afraid wit the 2.1 update for x10
the colour is sill on 65k
the photos taken wit iphone4 is brighter than natural
i posted some photos to compare at x10 thread
taken from my x10 n iphone4

QUOTE(et_box @ Dec 17 2010, 03:09 PM)
what about x10i? what is the differences? and they said x10 got no video call is it true? but i saw a camera on the surface?
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x10 dun hav video calls

QUOTE(Nightsky @ Dec 17 2010, 04:49 PM)
Just my opinion and as much as I hate to say it, iPhone 4 is better. I'm pretty much a die hard SE fan but the X10 is quite a disappointment for me. No multi touch support, laggy interface, 65k colours only. The only thing I like about it is the huge screen.
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or btr still
take both
x10 didnt disappoint me
multi touch i dun need much
my phone is very smooth
65k colours dun lose out much
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post Dec 18 2010, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(Vince1991 @ Dec 18 2010, 01:04 AM)
In my opinion, the X10 lost to the iPhone because it still doesn't support multi touch function(although its hardware does) because it is still running on Android 2.1. If Sony Ericsson would ever develop and release Android 2.2 for X10 series which supports a whole lot of functions including multi touch then X10 comparable with the iPhone.

With Android 2.1, even a great phone with good spec will be capped to less. For example, with Android 2.1, you cant move your installed applications into your SD card. 1GB internal storage from the X10 aint comparable with iPhone's 16/32GB.

Android 2.1 doesn't support flash player, which i think is a major downturn coz nowadays, almost every website uses flash animation.

So meanwhile, I'd say iPhone.
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x10 does support app2sd

QUOTE(et_box @ Dec 18 2010, 10:45 AM)
thanks for all the opinions peeps...i don't need "gaya" anyways...i personally think that x10 is more gorgeous than iphone4. just considering other specs but since they will constantly upgrade then i guess i'll most probably go for x10. btw, anyone of u using x10 white color? i wonder if the metal steel bar which surround the phone may rust?
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im a user of the white n black x10
bt not sure if it will rust or not
both phones not yet 1 year
n i always put the phones in a pouch

QUOTE(clutch31 @ Dec 18 2010, 06:46 PM)
So what you are saying is, having attention = having higher social status?  You, my boy, are an idiot.

The "600-1000" that you are "wasting" goes to the very good user experience that you get with the phone. The IP4 is far from being the perfect phone, and yes, I have seen an Iphone freeze, but overall it's a phone that just works, and works beautifully it does too, with minimal fuss. Also, the appstore is what it is. More choice always > no choice - fact.

And that is why people should be buying an Iphone for. Not for the perceived "social status" that it brings.

So even assuming that you are right in the sense that an Iphone4 generates attention, which I seriously doubt by the way, attention does not = social status. Let that be your lesson for today. smile.gif

Anyway, to me, there's no comparisson. Iphone4 is the phone with the better user experience overall, compared to the x10. That's all there is to it.
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iphone4 has a good user experience?

for ur info
im an owner of a iphone4 n 2 x10

smooth
iphone4 is more smooth than my x10

phone freeze
iphone4 freezes more than my x10

works beautiful
iphone4 only wins in the colour display
other than tat iphone4 doesnt even come much closer

user experience for me is
somethin tat is good to look at
somethin tat is nice to hold at
somethin which is customizable for me

lookin at the above 3 user experiences for me
iphone4 can only do 2 things
while the x10 can do all 3

appstore havin lots of apps than android market
tat is true
bt i dun think u will even download all of the apps tat is in there
u only download some apps
not all

so wat is the use of havin lots of apps
when all of the functions r almost the same

to even say tat iphone4 user experience is btr than x10
tat is an understatement
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post Dec 18 2010, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(azerroes @ Dec 18 2010, 09:25 PM)
i knows nothing about x10. but people said that x10 have a lagg and non-smooth interface. is it that bad?
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if its bad
i wont b havin 2 x10 now would i

QUOTE(wuwah @ Dec 18 2010, 10:27 PM)
u must try for yourself. the timescape and mediascape apps on X10 is superb. i like it very much. IMO, it is smooth, and no lag at all when i test it.
emm.. didn't eclair already gave X10 support for apps2sd? heard b4, the 1.6 donut limitations make that didn't work
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someone mention tat in x10 loses to iphone4 due to limited space for installin apps
bt i hav meet someone who would install tat huge amount of apps
tat would b insane

actually app2sd is only for froyo
bt some ppl hav made it work for eclair
so now eclair already can support app2sd
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post Dec 19 2010, 01:06 AM

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QUOTE(Vervain @ Dec 19 2010, 12:32 AM)
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This is small, I seen people with much more apps than mine. All used daily to keeping track of my expenses, tuning guitar, decipher codes etc.
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yours is countin songs n such
if u noticed
the person i was quotin was sayin installed apps
he is sayin
cant move installed apps to memory card
hence i said
i hav meet someone who would install tat insane amount of apps
if countin songs n such it would not just b installed apps
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post Dec 19 2010, 07:48 AM

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QUOTE(clutch31 @ Dec 19 2010, 03:29 AM)
First of all, I'm sorry FallenOut, but your post was too long for me to quote in its entirety. I need to edit it, but I'm leaving your main points untouched.
Indeed it has.

User experience trancends things like how smooth the animations look or what the quality of the screen is. If that is the case, my Samsung Wave running on Bada can realistically stake a claim as one of the phones with one of the top user experience as well. But no.

User experience includes things like how intuitive the layout of the UI is. There is a reason why you can see people from various ages ranging from primary school kids to retired grandmas all enjoying their IP4. The IP4, by and large, is a phone that does what you would expect it to do. Things just work.

Of course, the x10 is a very nice phone with certain advantages over the IP4, as I've mentioned. Like the 8MP camera for example. And I'm sure you can name more.

But when it comes to giving its user an overall positive experience, I would rate even my old HTC Hero over the x10, for the simple reason that HTC Sense is more of a joy to use than whatever it is that SE calls their flavour of Android. One thing that you have to understand, good specs does not necessarily = good user experience. The SGS is a prime example of this, and to a lesser extent, so is the x10, in my opinion.
Go reread my post, the part about the appstore, because I think you are missing my point.

You are right, in the sense that how many apps do we really need? I'd say realistically, there are probably only a dozen or two apps that we actually use on a regular basis, and the others are really just there for the novelty factor at best. At worst, they are just taking up space.

However, more choice > no choice. This is a fact.

For example, appstore has Plants vs Zombies. Android market does not (for now at least). This is a fact.

We don't need to argue about the virtues of this game, whether it is a good game or not or whether there are other games similar to it or not. The point is, as an IP4 user my gf has the option to check this game out if she wants to. As an Andriod user, I don't. If I want to, I have to borrow her IP4 to play this game.

So give the IP4 its due when its due. The appstore, as things are currently, is one of the advantages that the iOS has.
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intuitive
the longer u get the phone
the laggier it became now
at first my iphone4 was so smooth
bt now
its laggin
n i just hav 3 pages only
compared that to the old iphone2 which i got around 7 to 8 pages

u r missin the point over at school kids to grandma
they dunno anythin much bout the iphone4
they get it cuz everyone is gettin it
its the new 'in' trend now
honestly
dun tell me they know how to operate the iphone4
the school kids will know
bt i doubt the grandmas will know

things just work
remember a few months back when i stood by iphone4
cuz tat time i didnt do much drastic mods to my x10
it was smooth n i was standin by it
fast forward to the present day
its more laggy than my x10

bout htc n galaxy s
i hav no comments as i dun own those phones
my frens own those
n witout much playin around wit those
i would not b givin my comments

yea
more choices do pwn no choices
i did agree wit tat part of urs
in ur previous post also
bt i get to the other point
not all of us will download watever apps tat is available there
certainly not all of it

sry but im not much of a gamer

QUOTE(google_guest @ Dec 19 2010, 03:45 AM)
More apps mean more variety, most of the time when I need to perform soemthing, i will just search in the appstore and download it.

If I wan a guitar tuner on the spot, I just download it.
If I wan to a thesaurus, i just download it.

I get to do what I want on the spot, which is not available on other platform.

FYI, I owned both IOS and Android devices. I can say Android market is full of craps, without proper control, not to mention not all apps are suitable for each android devices(Google framentation on Android platform - imagine having diff Android manufacturers, diff screen size, diff hardware, diff OS, you cant expect the developer to cater for all the androids phone.). Some of the apps even have spyware inside, or does not perform what it claims.

IOS is diff, you will get a surprise everyday. within last few months, there's something known as Tango - Free video calls over internet/3g, then last month got Viber - Free VOIP call. I can see from my contact list more and more people using IPhone, as those software will be able to detect who is using those apps, then ios user can call/video/msg them directly - FOR FREE ! Browsing the AppStore has become a habit, checking for the Top Free apps, of coz one can always browse the Top Gross - mostly some nice games such as Street Fighter, Hot Pursuit 2010, Mortal Kombat and such...These are the apps wont be available on Android(Maybe later, by that time IOS already has 2nd or third version), take Angry bird for example.

I am not an Apple Fan boy, i've been using PDA since Windows CE, then Android, then IOS, i used to hate Apple as their hardware is always inferior compare to others(HTC, Samsung), however, after getting my hands on Apple, I realised that a GREAT hardware without good apps is like  a magazine with a good Cover but no contents.
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more apps more variety
yup tat is so true

wit iphone4 i can download wat i wan on the spot
wit x10 i can download wat i wan on the spot

in ur reference
u pointed out to a guitar tuner
n a thesaurus
for the guitar im not sure since im not a guitar player
bt for the thesaurus part
android also got it

so wat exactly do u mean
when u say u can dl wat u wan on the iphone4 bt not on other platform

for now i dunno which market has more craps
since i dun hav the luxury of time to browse thru every single app to dl it n to test it out

so u r talkin bout how great iphone4 is
reality check

3g video calls were so last year
even a rm500+ phone can do 3g
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post Dec 21 2010, 02:11 AM

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QUOTE(Vervain @ Dec 21 2010, 01:29 AM)
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nice reply
about the apps count
i agree to drop it
gettin confusin

i jump from iphone2 to iphone4
skippin 3g n 3gs
n nvr went till the max pages
cause im not a gamer

bout my iphone4 lag
its used as a secondary phone
so bout facebook n such
notifications all were turned off
mayb its somethin wit the phone itself
a hardware defect mayb

the debate is heatin up
bt comin from someone who owns both phone
which is btr in my hands tat is the one im supportin the most

i think the last time ppl ask about x10 n iphone4
i mention iphone4 is witout lag
cause tat time
my x10 on 1.6 is laggy while my iphone4 is smooth
bt now
my x10 is smooth while iphone4 laggy

bt from the general view
havin an iphone equals some social status
tat is the general prespective
even though iphone is gettin common

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post Dec 21 2010, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(clutch31 @ Dec 21 2010, 12:59 PM)

Added on December 21, 2010, 1:17 pm
Just a slight comment, but I'm not sure, I don't think there was ever an Iphone2? It was just the Iphone, and then the Iphone 3G?
This goes a full circle back to your "the extra rm600 you pay for iP4 based on specs is for the social status" statement.

Really, I'm curious. What kind of social status does an Iphone confer on its holder?

And you claim that this is the general perspective. By who? Seems like it's just you who is somehow having this fantasy of the Iphone giving its user some kind of social status.

Like I said, that worker in that Boost Juice kiosk had an Iphone. So she has kind of social status because of her Iphone?

And what about the sales "manager" of my previous company, whose daily job includes going to our client's office and sitting in their pantry and bug them until she could sell some of our product to them. I suppose she has some special social status too, because she holds an Iphone?

Anyhow, you go ahead and choose to go on living with this little Iphone fantasy of yours. I just realized that it's not really anyone's loss.

You, Sir, are in fact the perfect market for the Iphone. Please stick with it, and make sure that you are the first in the line when the Iphone5 comes out. Wouldn't want to miss out of the social status now, would you? biggrin.gif
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yea its my bad
its just the iphone n not the iphone2 as u pointed out
my bad really

ok back to ur splendid reply
wat goes back a full circle to me?
u make it seems like im the one tat coin tat statement

the poster goes by the name of Aurai
page 1
post 10

were u tryin to mislead ppl into thinkin tat statement was made by me
well
mayb as u pointed out
u r not the one makin assumptions
since clearly u r the one thinkin of assumptions too much
csi or any drama u watch lately havin an influence on ur mind?
well then
i doubt u r payin much attention anyway
u r not the one callin out the insults?
in my case
well it seems tat u r the one as i will point out later

as i pointed out
its the general perspective n view
are u the one who dictate wat is the general view or not
u should know everyone has a mind of their own
are u here to dictate wat is the general thinkin everyone should have

back to ur insults
wat is tis u r sayin bout my iphone fantasy
were u even readin then only post as a reply or comment
or just speed readin then make ur lil assumptions
i was nvr proud of my iphone4
i was nvr sayin i need to hav an iphone in my life
or is it u r still butt hurtin from everyone in ur social circle havin one bt not u

if u cant comprehend wat im tryin to say
then u should not even bother
u r just tryin to force ur points on ppl
it may work in ur dreams
or to the kids tat admire ur way of force talkin
bt not to me

mayb im gonna b in line for an iphone5
or mayb im not
i buy as i like
i use as i like
are u here to tell me wat to do

do u even hav an iphone4 n x10 to compare side by side
oh wait u dun
then how can u justify wat u hav said
its all in ur head

on the other hand
i hav both phones
so its from experience of usin both

do u hav those
tat do u think wat u said is actually accurate

u were talkin bout insults b then u r the one hurlin them out in my case
n sayin ppl were misquotin u
bt then u did the same thing

hav u been drinkin or smokin
grow up
tis world doesnt revolves around u

QUOTE(cyberfly @ Dec 21 2010, 02:46 PM)
just get iphone 4. even android 2.2 device still catch up to iphone 4, se x10 is only 1.6.
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x10 is 2.1 currently
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post Dec 22 2010, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(clutch31 @ Dec 22 2010, 11:45 AM)
Wow, contradict yourself much?

did i even contradict myself as u suggested?

You are the one who stated that "bt from the general view havin an iphone equals some social status tat is the general prespective". And now you are also the one asking "u should know everyone has a mind of their own are u here to dictate wat is the general thinkin everyone should have".

if u would read between the lines
i did say general view
not a one sided view as u urself has led urself to believe

in my line of work
i come across a wide range of ppl
not just limited to some building or wat
n most of em
make tat about 7 to 8 out of 10
agrees wit me tat the iphone is like havin some social status
tat makes it the general view
bt u on the other hand
still says tat the iphone has no such things
wouldnt tat b like forcin most of the general ppl to see the things from ur own point of view
would tat not b forcin?
as in general
i approach alot of diff ppl
as for u
im not sure
mayb u r holed up in ur own lil world thinkin of havin an iphone

if u would wan an easy to read summary

everyone has a diff view of somethin
bt when most of those r identical
when most of the views are almost the same
tat is for me the general view


You said "havin an iphone equals some social status". FACT.

I asked "Really, I'm curious. What kind of social status does an Iphone confer on its holder?" FACT.

In other words, you made an assertion, I asked a valid question in response. FACT.

u do need to get out into the world more n more instead of hidin in a corner

And instead of addressing my question, you seemed to have taken offense and went on a ranting spree. All these talk about CSI dramas and drinking and smoking and what not in your loooooong post is just a waste of bandwidth.

If you can justify your statement, go ahead, make your points clearly and concisely, we're all listening, no need for theatrics. If you cannot, then just go away and stop posting a whole essay trying to confuse everyone, because it won't help you.

my theatrics as u called it
is nothin compared to tis statement of urs

Anyhow, you go ahead and choose to go on living with this little Iphone fantasy of yours. I just realized that it's not really anyone's loss.

You, Sir, are in fact the perfect market for the Iphone. Please stick with it, and make sure that you are the first in the line when the Iphone5 comes out. Wouldn't want to miss out of the social status now, would you?

u were tryin to do somethin there arent u
u were startin a fire bt claim no knowledge of wat u were doin?
total amnesia or wat

yea i think my long essays is a waste of bandwidth too
i may hav went on a rantin spree as u called it
stop talkin bout bandwidth
i nvr asked u to come n read n reply
i nvr forced u
dun blame it on me
if u urself wants to venture into here
its ur own problem

i already said wat i wan
i make my points
mayb not as subtle or clearly as u
bt its still my points nonetheless

yea tis would b my last post
im goin away
cuz tis is wastin my time
u still choose to stand by wat u urself think as the truth
do dream more in ur own dream land
the reality may just b more harsher than u ever think

 

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