What social status? I didn't know that owning an iphone gave you some kind of special status in society. In fact, I actively choose not to buy an iphone. Gosh, am I losing out on some kind of special status here? Please enlighten me.

Going back to TS's topic, iphone4 is easily the better phone overall, I believe. Yes, x10 might have some advantage in some areas, but overall there really is not question that iphone4 is the better phone.

So what you are saying is, having attention = having higher social status? You, my boy, are an idiot.

The "600-1000" that you are "wasting" goes to the very good user experience that you get with the phone. The IP4 is far from being the perfect phone, and yes, I have seen an Iphone freeze, but overall it's a phone that just works, and works beautifully it does too, with minimal fuss. Also, the appstore is what it is. More choice always > no choice - fact.

And that is why people should be buying an Iphone for. Not for the perceived "social status" that it brings.

So even assuming that you are right in the sense that an Iphone4 generates attention, which I seriously doubt by the way, attention does not = social status. Let that be your lesson for today.

Anyway, to me, there's no comparisson. Iphone4 is the phone with the better user experience overall, compared to the x10. That's all there is to it.

This post has been edited by clutch31: Dec 18 2010, 07:19 PM

First of all, I'm sorry FallenOut, but your post was too long for me to quote in its entirety. I need to edit it, but I'm leaving your main points untouched.

Indeed it has.

User experience trancends things like how smooth the animations look or what the quality of the screen is. If that is the case, my Samsung Wave running on Bada can realistically stake a claim as one of the phones with one of the top user experience as well. But no.

User experience includes things like how intuitive the layout of the UI is. There is a reason why you can see people from various ages ranging from primary school kids to retired grandmas all enjoying their IP4. The IP4, by and large, is a phone that does what you would expect it to do. Things just work.

Of course, the x10 is a very nice phone with certain advantages over the IP4, as I've mentioned. Like the 8MP camera for example. And I'm sure you can name more.

But when it comes to giving its user an overall positive experience, I would rate even my old HTC Hero over the x10, for the simple reason that HTC Sense is more of a joy to use than whatever it is that SE calls their flavour of Android. One thing that you have to understand, good specs does not necessarily = good user experience. The SGS is a prime example of this, and to a lesser extent, so is the x10, in my opinion.


Go reread my post, the part about the appstore, because I think you are missing my point.

You are right, in the sense that how many apps do we really need? I'd say realistically, there are probably only a dozen or two apps that we actually use on a regular basis, and the others are really just there for the novelty factor at best. At worst, they are just taking up space.

However, more choice > no choice. This is a fact.

For example, appstore has Plants vs Zombies. Android market does not (for now at least). This is a fact.

We don't need to argue about the virtues of this game, whether it is a good game or not or whether there are other games similar to it or not. The point is, as an IP4 user my gf has the option to check this game out if she wants to. As an Andriod user, I don't. If I want to, I have to borrow her IP4 to play this game.

So give the IP4 its due when its due. The appstore, as things are currently, is one of the advantages that the iOS has.

First of all, it's not my fault that you are semi-illiterate and cannot even express yourself properly with words.

Check your first post. You clearly said: "the extra rm600 you pay for iP4 based on specs is for the social status". No mention of "attention" or "illusion". Just "social status". Those are totally different things. So if you are the moron who cannot even write properly, don't go around trying to insult other people, yea?

Anyhow, let's give you the benefit of the doubt. Let's just assume that you simply didn't "write things in full". Let me try to fix your statement for you.

1. "the extra rm600 you pay for iP4 based on specs is for the [attention]"

This is still stupid. As someone mentioned, Iphones are so damn common nowadays and 9 out of 10 screens that are lit up in a cinema before a movie starts are Iphones. What's there to pay attention to if someone is holding phone that's so common? Either way, it's just a phone. So please clarify if you can. Otherwise, it's just a really stupid statement made by you. But perhaps you meant something else, like

2. "the extra rm600 you pay for iP4 based on specs is for the [illusion of social status]"

Again, this is stupid. Go run naked down Bukit Bintang area. I'm sure you'll get hell a lot of attention. Hundreds of people will be staring at you. You might even make it to the 7 o'clock news on TV. Does that somehow give you "an illusion of social status"? No, it just makes you look stupid.

Or let me give you another example. I went to a Boost juice kiosk yesterday, and saw one of the worker playing with her Iphone. Did I get the "illusion" that she has some kind of special "social status"? No. I doubt anyone will. Because she's just a kiosk worker earning less than MYR 2k a month. What illusion? What social status?


So you see, even giving you the benefit of the doubt, no matter how I try to fix your statement, you still come across sounding stupid. Just face it. You are either A. a moron who cannot write properly but want to blame others for it, or B. a sheep who somehow thought that IP4 = high class. Most probably both.

Do everyone here a favour and stop wasting everyone's bandwidth with more of your nonsense, yea?

First of all, I think I made it pretty clear that I was paraphrasing another poster in this thread on the "9 out of 10" statement. Here, I'll even find the original post for you:

"No offense but in the cinemas, before the show starts, 9 out of 10 lit screens are iPhones.

Too common if you ask me."

Page 2, comment by Vince1991.

And secondly, there is no mention of anything about iphones and cinema goers in the link you provided? Did you post the wrong reference link by mistake? Or were you simply trying to mislead?

As for the name calling part, so it was ok for him to be the first one to throw an insult, but when other people retaliate, they need to "grow up"? What are you? His backside buddy coming to his defense?

Also maybe you didn't notice, but I am not the one making assumptions. The person who said "the extra rm600 you pay for iP4 based on specs is for the social status" is. It was a lousy assumption, I pointed out it, and he seems to have taken offense. And that, is what is going on.

So, lesson for you, at least get your bearings right and know what is going on before you start butting in on other people's discussion, yea?

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Added on December 21, 2010, 1:17 pm
Just a slight comment, but I'm not sure, I don't think there was ever an Iphone2? It was just the Iphone, and then the Iphone 3G?

This goes a full circle back to your "the extra rm600 you pay for iP4 based on specs is for the social status" statement.

Really, I'm curious. What kind of social status does an Iphone confer on its holder?

And you claim that this is the general perspective. By who? Seems like it's just you who is somehow having this fantasy of the Iphone giving its user some kind of social status.

Like I said, that worker in that Boost Juice kiosk had an Iphone. So she has kind of social status because of her Iphone?

And what about the sales "manager" of my previous company, whose daily job includes going to our client's office and sitting in their pantry and bug them until she could sell some of our product to them. I suppose she has some special social status too, because she holds an Iphone?

Anyhow, you go ahead and choose to go on living with this little Iphone fantasy of yours. I just realized that it's not really anyone's loss.

You, Sir, are in fact the perfect market for the Iphone. Please stick with it, and make sure that you are the first in the line when the Iphone5 comes out. Wouldn't want to miss out of the social status now, would you?

This post has been edited by clutch31: Dec 21 2010, 01:38 PM

Like I said, get your bearings right. Don't butt in to a discussion with no knowledge of what is going on. You do realize that by posting that flame bait in your previous post, you sound more like a troll than anything, right?

And figures? What figures?

Like I said, the link you supplied is a report on Nokia's market position compared to other phone makers. No mention of "not even half a person (0.4 to be exact) out of 10 people in a cinema uses an iPhone" as claimed by you. A report about a phone makers' market share has no direct relevance to how many people sitting in a cinema uses a certain phone. So you do realize that it looks like you are trying to mislead people, right?

And even if we give you all the benefit of the doubt. Even if assuming that what you said is totally true, there is still the question of why you are addressing this to me. Again, like I said, I was paraphrasing someone else. If you have an issue with the stats, take it up with the original poster, don't waste my bandwidth.

If you care to clarify, by all means go ahead. If you don't, then what is the point of posting this one liner? Further trolling?

This post has been edited by clutch31: Dec 21 2010, 04:04 PM

Sorry FallenOut, I have to edit your post because otherwise it'd be too long for me to quote in its entirety. As usual, I'll leave the main points untouched.

And you're right, you didn't say "the extra rm600 you pay for iP4 based on specs is for the social status". I quoted the wrong statement in my previous post. But doesn't matter, because everything I said was and is still valid, as will be shown below.


Wow, contradict yourself much?

You are the one who stated that "bt from the general view havin an iphone equals some social status tat is the general prespective". And now you are also the one asking "u should know everyone has a mind of their own are u here to dictate wat is the general thinkin everyone should have".

So first, you say this is the general view like it's a fact. Then you say, no, actually no one can dictate what is the general view.

Wow, I'm sorry, you are right, I don't understand what you are trying to say.



Uhm, did I ever say that you claimed to be proud of your iphone4? Did I ever say that you claimed to need the iphone4?

So who's the one doing the speed reading here? So who's the one making the "lil assumptions" here?

You said "havin an iphone equals some social status". FACT.

I asked "Really, I'm curious. What kind of social status does an Iphone confer on its holder?" FACT.

In other words, you made an assertion, I asked a valid question in response. FACT.

And instead of addressing my question, you seemed to have taken offense and went on a ranting spree. All these talk about CSI dramas and drinking and smoking and what not in your loooooong post is just a waste of bandwidth.

If you can justify your statement, go ahead, make your points clearly and concisely, we're all listening, no need for theatrics. If you cannot, then just go away and stop posting a whole essay trying to confuse everyone, because it won't help you.

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Added on December 22, 2010, 11:49 amNo, not really. I'm not the one who needs to post flame baits and meaningless one-liners in an online forum as an outlet for the angst issues in his life.

This post has been edited by clutch31: Dec 22 2010, 12:05 PM

You know, several posts back, when I first saw your post, I thought we'd have a good discussion on our hands, since here was someone who looked like he can present his case intelligently, backed up with statistics too.

But several posts later, this is what you are reduced to. Counting the number of lines in my posts. That's so typical, yea? When caught in a corner with nothing to say, start with the one line babbles in an attempt divert attention and trivialize everything. Sad, but very typical.

If this is the best you can do, then I have no more use for you. At least guys like Aurai and FallenOut tries to make a coherent case for themselves. Have a good life.

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Added on December 22, 2010, 5:10 pmThank you so much for this information?

This post has been edited by clutch31: Dec 22 2010, 05:14 PM

Sorry FallenOut, again, your post is just too long for me to quote.

Let me propose something here. If you ever read this post of mine, take a deep breathe, calm down, and count to 10. Then reread my posts. Or don't if you don't want to, I'll summarize everything here for you.

You claim that having the Iphone is equivalent of having some social status. Ok, so my question is then very simple: What social status? If you still cannot grasp this very simple question, let me elaborate.

Are you trying to say that having an Iphone shows that a person is richer and thereby having social status?

Or are you trying to say that having an Iphone shows that a person is trendy and thereby having social status?

Or are you trying to say that having an Iphone shows that a person is intelligent and thereby having social status?

Which one is it? If none of the above, then tell me what exactly are you trying to say? What is this social status that you are talking about? This is my main point in all my posts, and till now, you still have not managed to come up with an answer. All you do is go on talking about things like CSI dramas.

If you are able and willing to explain what this so-called social status that you are talking about is and show me how it is conferred to someone by an Iphone, then by all means, enlighten me, I'm all ears.

If not, then what else is there to say?

Very nice comparison between Android and iOS, above. And it's true, Android > iOS.

But not everyone is into having to mod or customize their phones in order to enjoy it. Some people, a lot of people, want something that just works, right out of the box, with minimal fuss.

And so in that aspect IP4 > x10, I believe.

Now, if we're talking about some other Android phone, say HTC Desire, that would be a different story.

Now, if there is an Iphone user who:

1. Bought the Iphone outright with cash, no contract, no installments.
2. Did not jailbreak their phone, bought all the apps that they installed.
3. Bought the latest version of the Iphone when it first came out at full price without any special discounts.

Then yes, I can somewhat agree that his/her phone is an indication of this person's financial status.

But the reality is, for the majority of the Iphone owners out there, they are all on some kind of 12-month or 24-month contract signed with the telco. Or at the very least they paid with credit card and did a 12-month installment thing with their bank. Heck, maybe even both. So the truth is, they don't even own the phone the are holding. Their telco or/and their bank does.

So you see, the Iphone is actually a very affordable phone, as long as you don't mind being in debt. That is why even a Boost Juice kiosk worker can afford it.

And even for those Iphone users who fulfill the 3 criteria I listed above (yes, these people exist), it only cost them what, 3k? 4k tops with all the accessories and apps? Most salary earners can save this amount in a few months, if they really want to, so it's not like they are wearing a 20k Rolex or something.

If I am not right, and there are still some reasons why Iphone = social status, please show me. Yes, I'm looking at people like Aurai and FallenOut, who keeps claiming that Iphone = social status.

What is there to correct?

Even if other phones are also available on contracts, cheaper contracts even, it still does not change the fact that by signing a contract and/or going for installment payments with the credit cards, even a salary earner like that Boost Juice worker can afford the Iphone.

And if even a Boost Juice worker who probably earns less than 2k a month can also afford the Iphone, I fail to see how people can get the idea that Iphone = expensive = social status, unless you are a Bangladeshi construction site worker or something who probably feels that 2k a month is high income and working at a Boost Juice kiosk is a high-class job.

If there are any Bangladeshi worker reading this thread, I'm sorry, I mean you no harm.

Marinie looks hot. Does she want to be my friend?

Ok, so now this "social status" for iphones comes from being perceived as a trend setter now, and not due to the price of the iphone.

If someone could claim that he/she already owned an iphone 3 years back, when iphones weren't available in Malaysia and one had to buy it from overseas and get it unlocked in order to use it in Malaysia, yes, this person might score some "trendy" points in my eyes, for being at the forefront of technological innovation, for daring to be different. And yes, I may even somewhat agree that this person can realistically claim to have some kind of social status, due to his/her phone.

But the keyword here is 3 years back.

Nowadays however, the iphone is already such a common sight, and the truth is that the majority of the iphone owners only started picking up their iphones in the past 1 year plus or so, when everyone suddenly wanted to copy those early batch of trend setters I mentioned in the above paragraph. Coincidentally, this is also corresponds to the time when telcos started offering affordable iphones via contracts, so it tells you a lot about those people who only managed to pick up a iphone starting from this period of time.

Now my question is, what's trendy about being a copycat and blindly imitating what other people do? What is there to be proud of in picking up other people's old toys on a cheap bargain price? In fact, it reeks of insecurity.

So you see, no, I still don't see how holding an iphone now = social status.

Are you talking to me? If you are, then:

1. Justify my superiority? Where did this come from? Please show me where in my post did I ever mention that me > other people.

I gave a very honest and blunt assessment of what I think about this so-called "social status" of Iphones. If you disagree with something that I said, I'm very happy to hear your counter-points. But if you are simply reacting to my posts because you cannot bear to face the truth, then... well, I'm sorry for offending your sensitivities, I suppose.

2. Bashing? I'm not bashing anything. You thought I was bashing the iphone just because I shattered this iphone = social status myth?

In fact, read my earlier posts. I'm actually saying that Iphone is a better phone overall compared to the x10. Just because I am not an iFag like Aurai and FallenOut does not mean that I am against the iphone itself. I am perfectly capable of assessing the merits of the iphone independently, without needing to swoon over the so-called "social status" of the iphone. It's called being honest, objective, and impartial.

3. Well yes, I suppose the iphone could qualify as a "luxury" item. However, to me, luxury that you cannot afford = luxury that you do not deserve.

Perhaps I am old fashioned. But I believe that in order to enjoy something, you have to earn it first. Going into debt just to be able to afford a luxury item is a not a good practice, I think. In fact, it's kinda sad. But yea, it's your finances, so do what you will with it. Just don't get upset when people shatter the myth that you paid for.


On a separate note, abundai brought up a good point, about branding.

He's right, the Apple brand has got a lot to do with how well the iphone has been received so far. Everyone needs to acknowledge this, Apple did a good job on marketing their product.

But if you ask me, if someone needs to associate themselves with a brand in order to define themselves or "upgrade" their social status, well, what is there to say? Especially if they are blindly doing it and acquiring debts in the process?

Like I said, it reeks of insecurity. I suppose I should just let them syiok sendiri and leave them to their nice little myth.

And how many months of contract period did you sign up for? 12 months or 24 months?

If you did not, then congratulations. You are one of the minority. Other Iphone users wish they can be like you.

No, there's no problem at all, but thank you for making my point for me.

Honestly, would you still have bought your Iphone with "solid CASH!" like you mentioned if no contracts were available?

So really, this brings me back to my whole point: where is this "social status and phone pride" that you like to talk about?

Signing up for contracts in order to enjoy savings and get subsidization does not exactly give the impression that someone has "social status". In fact, it gives me the exact opposite impression, if you know what I mean. And as for "phone pride", well, like I said, I don't find any pride in picking up other people's old toys on a bargain price. Maybe you do, but I don't.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Seriously.

Go re-read my post if you want, and post a coherent reply if you want.

But seriously, I have no idea what you are talking about with this BMW and rich man/poor man thing.

A word of advice, go sober up before posting your reply, if you are drunk.